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Title: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 09, 2018, 11:54:25 am
The dimensional fatigue projectors didn't really fit into the thread about Juffo-Wup, so I am putting them here instead. Use these dimensional fatigue projectors at your own risk. If you stare long enough at them, your mind might shift to a different reality phase.

(https://image.ibb.co/nhBo19/04.jpg)

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---- REPORT FROM SURFACE ----
BUKOWSKI AGAIN, SIR. WE HAVE FOUND ANOTHER RESEARCH INSTITUTE. WELL, THE RUINS OF ONE, ANYWAY.
THE COMPUTER HERE'S IN BETTER SHAPE, ALLOWING ME TO LEARN A BIT MORE ABOUT THE ANDROSYNTH'S
INVESTIGATION INTO DF, DIMENSIONAL FATIGUE.
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT THEIR STUDIES ACTUALLY BEGAN OVER TEN YEARS AGO, AFTER ONE OF THEIR
BLAZER VESSELS DISCOVERED SOME PRECURSOR ARTIFACTS IN ALPHA LALANDE. AS FAR AS THEIR
SCIENTISTS HERE COULD TELL, THE DEVICES GENERATED DF WAVES WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE USER TO SEE
INTO OTHER... WELL, OTHER DIMENSIONS -- REALMS OF EXISTENCE WHICH SHARE POSITION WITH OUR OWN
UNIVERSE, BUT HAVE A DIFFERENT... GEE, WHAT SHOULD I CALL IT... REALITY PHASE.

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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/f/f4/Orz.gif)Here is *good news*!
Six or nine *pieces* ago, myself the Orz did not even *smell* your *level*.
Can you believe? It is so silly! It is such a *happy town*.
Then the Androsynth made some *slippery places* and then Orz can *smell* it.
It *smells* so good Orz are surprised!


Dimensional Fatigue Projector 1:
(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/art_producing_psychedelic_effects.gif)

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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/f/f4/Orz.gif)To *play* with Taalo, Orz must *spread* into *Pretty Space*.
There are so many good places for this here, Orz are happy.
Perhaps after the biggest *party* you will understanding the Orz
and I can showing you other *levels*.


Dimensional Fatigue Projector 2:
(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/spiral_producing_psychedelic_effects.gif)


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(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aliens/images/f/f4/Orz.gif)I will tell again the many *pieces*. You do not know *special things*.
Here is some. *Time* is not one but many.
*Space* is many. *Colors* are many. You are so *sticky*.



Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Shiver on October 09, 2018, 08:07:43 pm
None of your topics make any sense and I wish you'd stop churning them out. "Interdimensional fatigue" is a Star Control 3 reference as well so you've got that to be ashamed of, too.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 09, 2018, 10:47:25 pm
None of your topics make any sense

(https://i.imgur.com/YrjAec5.png)


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Death 999 on October 09, 2018, 11:35:54 pm
That isn't exactly helping your case. r/totallynotrobots intersects r/trumpmemes is a different direction, I grant.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 11, 2018, 02:02:21 pm
That isn't exactly helping your case. r/totallynotrobots intersects r/trumpmemes is a different direction, I grant.

What do you care? You don't seem to be interested in helping me (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=7237.msg79629#msg79629) to save this world from killer robots. So this direction seems to be much more fun and appropriate for a Star Control 2 forum. It is indeed very interesting to study and improve upon dimensional fatigue technologies. I would rather invite poltergeists here than those soulless killer robots.

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/poltergeist.gif)


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 11, 2018, 10:59:57 pm
Ugh... Zanthius...

Even though it's an SC2 forum, I highly doubt that anyone here would seriously believe that dimensional fatigue is a phenomenon that exists in real life. If you do think it exists, go publish a peer-reviewed article on the subject. If you are right, you'll earn your place among the world's best scientists.

If you believe poltergeists exist, again, try to publish a peer-reviewed article on the subject. While you're at it, try to contact James Randi and win that $1 million prize for finally proving that paranormal phenomena exist.

And you raving on about "soulless killer robots" isn't exactly helping you in convincing me that you are a rational person. And while we're on the subject, I'm not at all surprised that Paul Reiche III didn't even bother to reply to your idea about that augmented reality game of yours. Go search the web a bit on how little value is placed on "idea men" in the video game industry (that is, none at all). If you really thought that Paul would invest his money in putting your idea to work, that suggests that at best, you're extremely naive.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 11, 2018, 11:18:30 pm
If you do think it exists, go publish a peer-reviewed article on a subject. If you are right, you'll earn your place among the world's best scientists.

Look. You can do an MRI scan of a brain that has consumed LSD or magic mushrooms. They have already done MRI studies on how the brain looks after you have consumed psilocybin:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11207979/What-your-brain-looks-like-on-magic-mushrooms.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11207979/What-your-brain-looks-like-on-magic-mushrooms.html)

They have also done MRI studies on how meditation affect brain organs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471247/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471247/)

You could also do an MRI scan of brains while people are looking at the dimensional fatigue projectors. I assume it would have some similarities to the MRI scans from psilocybin and/or mediation. But nobody has done it. It would be interesting.

If you believe poltergeists exist, again, try to publish a peer-reviewed article on the subject. While you're at it, try to contact James Randi and win that $1 million prize for finally proving that paranormal phenomena exist.

I certainly believe that most humans are prone to believe in the supernatural: https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article180980291.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article180980291.html)

If you really thought that Paul would invest his money in putting your idea to work, that suggests that at best, you're extremely naive.

This isn't about money, but about changing the trajectory of our civilization which is going to lead us to a complete disaster. Your money is soon going to be worthless anyhow. Aren't your rubles already inflating?


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 11, 2018, 11:25:36 pm
Look. You can do an MRI scan of a brain that has consumed LSD or magic mushrooms. They have already done MRI studies on how the brain looks after you have consumed psilocybin:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11207979/What-your-brain-looks-like-on-magic-mushrooms.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11207979/What-your-brain-looks-like-on-magic-mushrooms.html)

They have also done MRI studies on how meditation affect brain organs: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471247/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4471247/)

You could also do an MRI scan of brains while people are looking at the dimensional fatigue projectors. I assume it would have some similarities to the MRI scans from psilocybin and/or mediation. But nobody has done it. It would be interesting.

Except that no one but you would call these swirling images "dimensional fatigue projectors", since currently there is no evidence whatsoever that "dimensional fatigue" or any similar phenomenon exists in real life.

I certainly believe that most humans are prone to believe in the supernatural: https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article180980291.html (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article180980291.html)

Maybe. But what does that have to do with supernatural phenomena actually existing in real life? Objective reality just doesn't work that way - believing in something doesn't make whatever you believe in appear as an objective phenomenon.

This isn't about money, but about changing the trajectory of our civilization which is going to lead us to a complete disaster.

That's the main problem with you. You're so utterly convinced that you're working for a grand, just cause that you have completely blinded yourself to the simplest reality checks. But hey, if you feel that you are able to convince Paul or anyone else that your cause is worth pursuing, be my guest.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 11, 2018, 11:31:39 pm
Maybe. But what does that have to do with supernatural phenomena actually existing in real life? Objective reality just doesn't work that way - believing in something doesn't make whatever you believe in appear as an objective phenomenon.

Sure, but Putin has apparently had great success with using the orthodox church to manipulate the Russian population. Does it really matter if it is really true or not if people are behaving as if it is true. Most people in the world are religious. Many religious leaders are filthy rich.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/gymqgb/how-putin-is-using-the-orthodox-church-to-build-his-power (https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/gymqgb/how-putin-is-using-the-orthodox-church-to-build-his-power)


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 11, 2018, 11:34:26 pm
Yeah. I live in Russia, and I'm also extremely disgusted at the amount of religious and anti-science propaganda spouted by the Russian media. And, as far as I know, the US has a similar problem. But that has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 11, 2018, 11:45:37 pm
But that has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing.

Look. As far as I am concerned, dimensional fatigue and poltergeists could be real. I believe this because I have had many experiences with ghost-like entities in sleep paralysis, and I have had personal encounters with ghost-like entities under the influence of psilocybin. Of course, these experiences could have been a product of my brain, but my understanding of 5HT2a receptor agonists changed somewhat recently, and these animations have somewhat similar effects to 5HT2a receptor agonists. I have recently started to understand that the brain is extremely good at ignoring all kinds of information that is irrelevant to our narratives. So I think it is possible that we could have evolved to ignore "ghosts" simply because they would distract us from other real things, such as Lions and sources of food.

(https://i.imgur.com/RplJPmB.png)


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 11, 2018, 11:52:40 pm
Again, science needs better evidence than "as far as I am concerned" and "I believe this". You are talking to the wrong person anyway. I am not a physicist, and this forum is not a physics journal. When real scientists want to prove that a new phenomenon exists, they do their best to convince the experts on related phenomena that it exists. It is pseudoscientists who avoid the experts and try to convince the general public instead, since the general public are far less likely to spot obvious errors in their reasoning.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 12:05:40 am
It is pseudoscientists who avoid the experts and try to convince the general public instead, since the general public are far less likely to spot obvious errors in their reasoning.

You seem to think very highly of scientists... You know.. it doesn't necessarily mean that it is true just because you manage to publish something. There are lots of journals today, and not all of them have a very high standard. Many of the journals that have a somewhat high standard are closed behind pay-walls. This isn't very good for universities, since they need to spend lots of money on access to these journals.

(https://www.archania.org/research/open_vs_closed_access_journals.png)

Personally, I think the universities are going to collapse soon, just like most other things in our society. They are too conservative, and the world is changing extremely fast now.

(https://www.archania.org/governance/from_national_to_global.png)

Also. There are lots of taboos in science. Particularly when it comes to research on sexual differences. This, for example, is obviously true, but you are not necessarily allowed to research such things in western democracies since it is politically incorrect:

(https://www.archania.org/biases/probability-distribution-for-x-chromosomal-genes-in-males-and-females.png)

(https://www.archania.org/biases/gender_and_IQ.png)

Research on psychedelics and supernatural things is also taboo. Lots of journals would deny you to publish, simply because they are scared to be associated with such things.




Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 12:22:39 am
It is true the fact that you have published something isn't a 100% guarantee that your published material is sound science. However, that is no excuse to go down a pseudoscientist's road. It certainly doesn't change the fact that non-experts are just not equipped to analyze a new hypothesis in a meaningful way, without making lots of dumb mistakes simply because they have no grasp of some basic facts known to all experts. We're talking about groundbreaking, cutting-edge research here, the kind that is a challenge even to experts. What chances does a random person on the Internet have of assessing the plausibility of your hypothesis correctly?


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 12:25:39 am
What chances does a random person on the Internet have of assessing the plausibility of your hypothesis correctly?

Death 999 is more intelligent and better informed than most of the professors I know.... Professors are not necessarily intelligent or well informed, although more so than average people. But people in this forum aren't necessarily "average". So this isn't a random selection of people. Nor is this a random forum on the Internet.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 12:27:18 am
While that is extremely flattering to Death 999, you'll have to excuse me if I don't place much value in your judgment.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 12:30:11 am
While that is extremely flattering to Death 999, you'll have to excuse me if I don't place much value in your judgment.

How many professors do you know? There can be a huge difference between a professor at Harvard and a professor at a small unimportant university. Most of the professors I know aren't working at Harvard. Many of the professors at Harvard are probably smarter and better informed than Death 999, especially within their field of research.

Anyhow... lots of professors are not necessarily well informed outside their field of research. They might also suffer from thinking within a "narrative" which prevents them from being able to consider certain possibilities.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 12:41:29 am
Again, what your are saying is probably true (though not necessarily so), however, you are ignoring one very basic fact. A person's general intelligence is not enough for them to be qualified to argue on a scientific topic - what you need is expertise. Even the world's best scientists have been known to make extremely dumb remarks on topics outside their field of expertise. That is why it is experts who you need to talk to in order to test your hypothesis, not random people on the Internet. Any non-expert will be easier to fool on a given topic than an expert, regardless of either person's general intelligence (and if a person's general intelligence is too low, they won't be able to become an expert in any scientific field anyway).


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 12:48:04 am
Even the world's best scientists have been known to make extremely dumb remarks on topics outside their field of expertise.

But how do you know which experts to ask? You think we should ask the physicists? But why not the neuroscientists? If you want to know how a drug affects the 5HT2a receptor, you better ask a neuroscientist that specializes in exactly that receptor system. If you want to know if the animations I made generate dimensional fatigue, then maybe we need to ask a physicist, but what exactly do we mean by "dimensional fatigue"?

The question I am curious about is why those animations produce effects that are similar to 5HT2a receptor agonists.



Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 12:55:23 am
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but what exactly do we mean by "dimensional fatigue"?

That's the first question you need to answer before even formulating your hypothesis.

I assumed that it is physicists who would be able to test a hypothesis about "dimensional fatigue" because in the Star Control universe, the DF phenomenon definitely lies in the field of physics (more specifically, the physics of spacetime). Neuroscience has absolutely nothing to do with it. Why would you want to attach that term to a phenomenon that lies in the field of neuroscience, however real it might be?


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 01:00:58 am
I assumed that it is physicists who would be able to test a hypothesis about "dimensional fatigue" because in the Star Control universe, the DF phenomenon definitely lies in the field of physics (more specifically, the physics of spacetime). Neuroscience has absolutely nothing to do with it. Why would you want to attach that term to a phenomenon that lies in the field of neuroscience, however real it might be?

I agree if you think about the dimensional fatigue technology in the portal spawner given to you by the Arilou. That certainly seems to be within the realm of physics. How else would you be able to create a portal to quasispace?

However, the dimensional fatigue technology used by the Androsynth is supposed to have generated waves which made individuals exposed to the waves able to see into a different phase of reality...  That could be more a matter of how those waves interacted with the brain organs of the Androsynth.

And yeah. Ultimately it is a question of physics if we live in a universe with more than 3 dimensions. But if we live in a universe with more than 3 dimensions, there could be mechanisms that opened our perception to those dimensions.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 01:12:35 am
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However, the dimensional fatigue technology used by the Androsynth is supposed to have generated waves which made individuals exposed to the waves able to see into a different phase of reality...  That could be more a matter of how those waves interacted with the brain organs of the Androsynth.

Only partially. There still has to be a physical phenomenon (the waves you've mentioned) that interacted with the Androsynth brains. While any neurological effects from watching the swirling rainbow images you've shown at the beginning of this thread are perfectly explainable through known physical phenomena, and are actually very well-known. If you believe otherwise, it is your job to convince the scientific community that you are correct, and the prevailing scientific view is wrong or incomplete. Good luck on that.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 01:16:04 am
While any neurological effects from watching the swirling rainbow images you've shown at the beginning of this thread are perfectly explainable through known physical phenomena, and are actually very well-known.

Really? I have been looking all over for research related to the neurological effects of watching such spirals. If you know of any, please share.

EDIT: I actually found something here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_aftereffect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_aftereffect)

Seems like they have some theories... but I wouldn't say it appears to be very well understood.

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Neurons coding a particular movement reduce their responses with time of exposure to a constantly moving stimulus; this is neural adaptation. Neural adaptation also reduces the spontaneous, baseline activity of these same neurons when responding to a stationary stimulus (see, for example, Barlow & Hill, 1963; Srinivasan & Dvorak, 1979; Glasser, Tsui, Pack, & Tadin, 2011). One theory is that perception of stationary objects, for example rocks beside a waterfall, is coded as the balance among the baseline responses of neurons coding all possible directions of motion. Neural adaptation of neurons stimulated by downward movement reduces their baseline activity, tilting the balance in favor of upward movement.

Anyhow, I believe that the 5HT2a receptor is involved in more or less the same mechanisms. So this isn't necessarily incompatible with my theory that they work in a similar manner to 5HT2a receptor agonists.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 12, 2018, 01:29:39 am
Right. I'm not qualified to discuss any specific neurological effects, but regardless, there seems to be no evidence that suggests any previously unknown physical phenomena at work.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 01:32:48 am
Right. I'm not qualified to discuss any specific neurological effects, but regardless, there seems to be no evidence that suggests any previously unknown physical phenomena at work.

DMT (N,N-dimetyltryptamin) is one of the strongest 5HT2a receptor agonists we know of. The researcher that has done most research on this compound, seems to think there might be more at work:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/519TdbM32pL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278 (https://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revolutionary-Near-Death-Experiences/dp/0892819278)

And here is a guy arguing against you based on his experience with DMT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V63fPbFeC84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V63fPbFeC84)



We have strong reasons to have evolved to "ignore" the higher dimensional structure of reality if there is such a thing. If our survival only depends on the 3 dimensions we perceive, it would be very bad for us to perceive the other dimensions, since that would decrease our attention to the 3 dimensions our survival depends on.

You have evolved see what you need to see to survive. And that is all. Distractions are a real problem for survival.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 09:32:41 am
Here is a diagram showing how I imagine these dimensional fatigue projectors to activate the 5HT2A receptor system compared to magic mushrooms and DMT.

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/activation_of_the_5ht2a_receptor_system.png)

Even though they seem to activate the 5HT2A receptor system much less than magic mushrooms and DMT, they have the advantage that you can stare at them for as long as you want.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 09:49:31 am
If you believe otherwise, it is your job to convince the scientific community that you are correct, and the prevailing scientific view is wrong or incomplete.

Do you believe that most scientists think that the prevailing scientific view is complete? If anything is pseudoscientific, it is the belief that our current understanding of the universe is complete. Science differs from religion and dogma mostly because we believe there always is room for improvement.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Death 999 on October 12, 2018, 03:39:55 pm
Well, I do have a PhD in physics, so his faith isn't entirely misplaced.

And with any of that influence you grant me, Zanthius:

1) Your concern with uncontrolled and/or unethically used AI is actually a very good one. But I really doubt that starting a vaporware project is a good strategy. If that is your primary concern, offer to volunteer for MIRI or the FHI, or in the likely event that your skill set does not line up with what they need, give them money.

2) The existence of a 'spiritual molecule' seems to be an interesting fact about our brains, not about the structure of the universe.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 12, 2018, 04:44:48 pm
Well, I do have a PhD in physics, so his faith isn't entirely misplaced.

So what? Eliezer Yudkowsky doesn't have any higher education, and I think you would agree that he is just as smart and well-informed as yourself.

1) Your concern with uncontrolled and/or unethically used AI is actually a very good one. But I really doubt that starting a vaporware project is a good strategy. If that is your primary concern, offer to volunteer for MIRI or the FHI, or in the likely event that your skill set does not line up with what they need, give them money.

Well, at least I have a proposal that *might* work. What kind of projects does MIRI or FHI have to make Russia and China stop making killer robots? I read Inadequate Equilibria by Eliezer Yudkowsky, and he didn't write anything about that. I also listened to him talk to Sam Harris about the dangers with emerging AI's, but he didn't give me any idea about how he would make Russia and China stop making killer robots. Yuval Noah Harari is the one that has most clearly defined the problem to me, but even he doesn't really have any idea about how to prevent China and Russia from developing killer robots.

And I don't think we have a lot of time to ramble around. During the next 10 years, Chinese and Russian killer robots are going to improve immensely. The biggest problem here isn't necessarily the emergence of AI, but the lack of trust between superpowers. Unless we can find a way to build trust between superpowers, there is going to be an arms race to make more intelligent and destructive killer robots.

2) The existence of a 'spiritual molecule' seems to be an interesting fact about our brains, not about the structure of the universe.

Most of the theories that try to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics have more than 3 dimensions. If we live in a universe with more than 3 dimensions and have evolved to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality", there could be mechanisms which decrease our tendency to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality". Activation of the 5HT2A receptor system could be such a mechanism.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: PRH on October 13, 2018, 02:57:14 am
Most of the theories that try to combine general relativity and quantum mechanics have more than 3 dimensions. If we live in a universe with more than 3 dimensions and have evolved to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality", there could be mechanisms which decrease our tendency to ignore other dimensions or "phases of reality". Activation of the 5HT2A receptor system could be such a mechanism.

Well, at least now you've managed to come up with something that resembles a scientific hypothesis (because previously it looked like you just ignored Occam's razor and went with a more outlandish explanation where a simpler one would suffice). Your hypothesis seems to consist of the following points:

1. Our universe has more than three dimensions.
2. Our bodies are capable of perceiving more than three dimensions.
3. Our ability to perceive other dimensions is suppressed by some mechanism in our nervous system.
4. The activation of the 5HT2A receptor blocks the mechanism that suppresses our perception of other dimensions.

Each of these points needs to be confirmed in the order given here (because each subsequent point follows logically from the previous one), and the confirmation cannot be a simple thought experiment. Each point must be backed by hard empirical evidence. Point 1 seems to lie entirely in the realm of physics, while points 2 through 4 would require expertise in the relevant fields in both physics and human biology.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Death 999 on October 13, 2018, 03:17:59 am
Well, I do have a PhD in physics, so his faith isn't entirely misplaced.

So what? Eliezer Yudkowsky doesn't have any higher education, and I think you would agree that he is just as smart and well-informed as yourself.

I was saying you were right that I know a few things about physics, that's all.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 13, 2018, 03:28:45 am
1. Our universe has more than three dimensions.

As far as I know, there is no evidence of this, but it seems like more dimensions might be required to make quantum mechanics compatible with general relativity. Death 999 probably knows more about this since he has a Ph.D. in physics.

2. Our bodies are capable of perceiving more than three dimensions.
3. Our ability to perceive other dimensions is suppressed by some mechanism in our nervous system.

We know that in order for you to be able to see the brain needs to make models of all the objects in your visual field.

(https://martechtoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/visual-recognition-machine-learning-ss-1920_tz7udy.jpg)

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/seeing.png)

We also know that the brain is lazy. So when you see a chair the brain doesn't necessarily continuously update the model you are seeing. But since all we can see are models that our brains have extracted from our visual fields, what about all the visual data our brains are unable to categorize? In our ordinary mental states, we are ignoring tons of stuff. This is well documented. But since we don't know if there are more than 3 dimensions, we don't know if we are ignoring data from other dimensions.

4. The activation of the 5HT2A receptor blocks the mechanism that suppresses our perception of other dimensions.

Activation of the 5HT2A receptor system decreases our reliance on mental models of external objects. So, if you look at a chair while you are high on magic mushrooms, it will look much more vibrant, since you will see much more of the photons coming from the chair, rather than just the model your brain has made of the chair.  The 5HT2A receptor system is much more activated by DMT than by magic mushrooms. It seems to be somewhat difficult to explain what people are seeing/experiencing on DMT without additional dimensions or phases of reality since it doesn't necessarily have any resemblance to what we usually see.

Also, I have once encountered something like a ghost while high on magic mushrooms. Based upon my current understanding of the 5HT2A receptor system, I now suspect that if I hadn't been high on magic mushrooms, the ghost might still have been there, just that I wouldn't have noticed it. And it wouldn't necessarily have helped if I recorded it with a camera that absorbed lots of different wavelengths with a super high refresh rate because if I watched that video later, I would probably also just see models of well-known objects that my brain extracted from the video. I am thinking that maybe a machine learning algorithm could learn to recognize visual patterns that we are unable to perceive.



Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 13, 2018, 03:36:10 am
I was saying you were right that I know a few things about physics, that's all.

You know lots of stuff, not just physics. But I guess your understanding of physics is particularly elaborate.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 13, 2018, 06:32:02 pm
That we can only see models of objects in reality, reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave.

(http://worldwidekitsch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/The-Allegory-of-the-Cave-by-Plato-1-1024x761.png)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave)


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 14, 2018, 03:12:11 pm
I had expected that maybe this animation also would generate psychedelic effects, but it didn't seem to work very well. Research continues...

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/intermingled_streams_with_balls.gif)

Okay.. I think I have been able to make it weakly psychedelic now, but you need to stare at it for much longer than the other two and it doesn't have as much noticeable after effects. I need to create a few more animations, to understand why this one doesn't work as well as the other two.

Just decoupling the two streams seems to increase the psychedelic after-effects:

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/decoupled.gif)

Decoupling and doubling the number of streams seems to give even more after-effects. But maybe still not as much as in the first two animations.

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/decoupled_and_doubled.gif)

Maybe one of the problems with all these animations, is that the streams/balls aren't incorporated very well into larger structures.


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 15, 2018, 09:49:26 pm
Maybe this one will work better...

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/ghost_star.gif)

Not a lot of noticable psychedelic after-effects, but quite psychedelic to look upon....


Title: Re: Dimensional fatigue projectors
Post by: Zanthius on October 16, 2018, 02:09:17 pm
I am thinking. Lots of insects are attracted to light. It could be that ghosts (if there are such a thing) are attracted to this animation. If that is the case, a fitting name for this animation would be "ghost star".

I have added these animations to my website here: https://www.archania.org/mysteries/#Animations_producing_psychedelic_effects (https://www.archania.org/mysteries/#Animations_producing_psychedelic_effects)


Title: Halloween girl
Post by: Zanthius on October 22, 2018, 11:04:30 pm
It seems like people in safe western societies aren't sufficiently scared of death. Here is a girl that wants to remind us of our mortality:

(https://www.archania.org/fear_of_death.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKacsHTlqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTKacsHTlqY)


Title: Re: Halloween girl
Post by: Death 999 on October 23, 2018, 03:57:26 pm
meh. (and not the grand kind of meh (http://unsongbook.com/chapter-1-dark-satanic-mills/))

Jump scares (of which this would be a weak one) are less useful in this regard than touring an old folks' home.