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1  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: February 12, 2019, 12:00:19 pm
Interesting, that "Divine Screk Union" changed colour to align the colour with a neighbouring state, and expanded also pretty heftily...
Gearing up to be your main opponent?
2  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Outsider, SC inspired web comic... on: February 11, 2019, 09:10:36 am
Yay, two new pages.
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider146.html
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider147.html

Finally something to eat.
3  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: February 05, 2019, 09:45:51 pm
For the AI the text would just get a "nonsense rambling" marking and would either be ignored, or you'd be fed with nonsensical answers too...


`...the system requires more energy. A convenient source lies beneath the crust...'
4  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: February 04, 2019, 08:36:03 pm
Looks good.
How does the diplomacy AI react to texts like
I am Dugee
I am the purity monitor
I choose what buds are permitted to mature
and which must be eradicated
I died of general misfunction 57,283 years ago.


(I'm pretty sure you can't enter your own texts, but wouldn't it be fun?)
5  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: February 04, 2019, 04:55:26 pm
Where is the separating line between an idea and an expression?


Anyway, we're getting hypothetical, and indeed, Stardock is either denying copyrightability based on "too broad copyright, they want an idea!" or based on "too specific copyright, they want a colour!".
Of course they have to defend their case.
And it is an argument.
Whether it's a valid argument remains to be decided.
I bet they're still looking hard to find examples of whatever they can find with FTL-dimensions and why they must be red-shifted, so that copyrightability for this specific expression can be denied to F&P.

I wish I could jump forward in time to have a look back at how the judge and the jury decided and reasoned (when taking a break from playing our favourite vapourware).

Oh, wait. I can.
*Sleeps for eight hours* Nope, not there yet....
DANG, this waiting is boorinnnng.
6  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: February 03, 2019, 11:47:52 pm
I've just read Brad's post....
Hmm...

"unrelated"
"ideas not copyrightable"?..

Actually, when dance moves are copyrightable (Fortnite cases), certain expressions (ideas) certainly are.That's what books, films, and images are about.
And hammering on the Street Fighter (Capcom) case does not help, as the judge did find the games substantially similar. (Source) The idea of a martial arts game was not being defended by Capcom, but the characters, moves, and control sequence for the special moves were.
In the streetfighter case, "The court did not find Data East’s [defendant] evidence persuasive, as while other outside sources may have influenced the development of the Fighter’s History characters, there was no doubt that Street Fighter II characters also provided a significant source of inspiration."
Also regarding the similarity in how the special moves were activated (button sequence): "While the Court was disturbed by these “coincidences” in some of the arbitrary control sequences, it concluded that because the control sequences did not constitute protectable expression, these isolated similarities were not actionable. "
Also, "The court found that three characters and five special moves in Fighter’s History were similar to protectable characters and special moves in Street Fighter II. ", but the final "subjective analysis of similarity"  (not objective, so not a clear cut case, an appeal court may have a different subjective feeling) found that Capcom held no copyright because the stuff was known from before (outside of games).
Resulting in "the court determined that Capcom had failed to demonstrate a likelihood of success on the merits or even serious questions concerning the merits". (they failed to show that they actually had a copyright.)
Finally, the Street Fighter distributor lost, because martial art games simply have typical moves transferred from martial arts, and those weren't copyrightable in the game because "known", and the button sequence often followed that move.  Read Claude Stern's interview on Street Fighter 2 History page for a short summary (he was the defendant's attorney). (the passage/paragraph starting with "I think [Data East was] very nervous.")
Also, it was no full-blown case, but "only" a request by Capcom for a preliminary injunction against the alleged copy.

Now if Stardock could prove that scientifically a "HyperSpace" is likely to be red-shifted (and not just black), will likely have moving "streaks" and will have a hole near gravity wells, then F&P could not claim a copyright on that FTL expression (or the scientific paper would lead to them losing the copyright held until then), but again, I presume if Stardock would be able to prove that, earning money with games would become a lucrative side-job when selling games to the crews outward bound from our Solar system with the HyperSpace drive provided by Stardock Inc.


I was not that happy about the DMCA at that late stage, but F&P did agree to not send a DMCA while Stardock had their preliminary injunction in court phase...
7  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: February 03, 2019, 11:40:16 am
the agreement ends if the publisher files for bankruptcy... (point 7.1 of original agreement 1988)
Original contract does not seem to contain an end clause if royalities are below a certain limit.
The original contract defines a "term".
The "sales term" (point 2.2) is relevant here.
This License Agreement shall continue in effect with repect to the sale, licensing and sublicensing of each Work, Derivative Work and Derivative Product, for as long as such Work, Derivative Work and Derivative Product are genrating royalities to the Developer at least of $1000 per annum.

The addendums just define more Works being part of the contract....

IF Stardock could prove that the works did create royalities of more than $1000 per year, but those did not get paid to developer because of advances that still have to re-earned, then the contract would be in force, were it not for the bankruptcy term...

8  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: February 01, 2019, 08:27:50 pm
As I'm not on Discord whatsoever, I missed him being banned and even his account being deleted....

As I wrote above, the captures were in his style....
9  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: January 31, 2019, 09:45:09 pm
Yeah, with that reasoning of Stardock's lawyers, you could not trademark ANY word previously used in a film, book, game, ....
E.g. Skynet (terminator). In Europe/Netherlands it is a registered trademark for an airline (1), telecom services (especially communication over computer networks - like Skynet in the film) (2), parcel service/courier services (3). Many more have been denied.
Since Terminator is older than any of those registrations, ...

Yeah, it's worth a try for them, and some young attorney can thus bill some premium hours to gain experience....



Edit, still reading GoG's reply.
Footnote page 5 is interesting, Stardock apparently is trying to prolong the procedure, since they asked for being allowed to file another amended complaint, and a modification of the scheduling (which means they want more time).
10  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: January 31, 2019, 07:40:40 pm
Good find, and it sounds like Mr. Wardell, but has been posted by a "deleted user".


On another note, Origins is back up on GoG too, and the DMCA counternotifications have been published, and GoG filed a request to dismiss F&P's "ninth action" due to being not sufficiently reasoned nor proven.

The DMCA counternotifications show, that Stardock indemnifies GoG and Valve from any legal costs and damages should they lose the case.
(Hence there is no evident support of Stardock by Valve and GoG regarding the subject of the copyright allegations, as hinted by the PR department of Stardock.)

Edit:  Gog wants to dismiss the alleged fraud action, and will reply to the other actions against GoG at a later time...
11  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: January 31, 2019, 02:56:17 pm
So I hope the colonies need less micromanagement, then...
Still, looks good.
I enjoyed Microsoft's Age of Empires 2 back then, so I can handle real-time (although I usually set the speed to rather slow to be able to micromanage....).

`...the system requires more energy. A convenient source lies beneath the crust...'
12  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: January 31, 2019, 08:39:44 am
Is Stellaris somewhat similar to Master of Orion?
Looks like a tremendously enlarged version of it...

IF I ever get time to play again, I might have to test this game...

Looks, good.
Must be annoying if messages pop up asking for attention, and it's in the star system Juffo-Wup.
(Which one?)

Good luck voiding the Non!
Acknowledge the existence of un-Voidable Non
when you are faced with such, you join, absorb and wait for your opportunity
to learn the weakness that will allow you to Void the Non.
`...look... think... act... look... learn... remember... teach...look... think...'
13  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: January 30, 2019, 12:55:26 pm
Thank you.
Didn't want to go to Wayback machine.

So, some has had a commercial use for "Frungy", but that seems to be more than 15 years ago, so the trademark may have lapsed anyway....

Also, the link to the file server "fileplanet" results in no such file, and fileplanet's search also does not help.
But what did I expect anyway?
14  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: January 30, 2019, 06:58:59 am
Pretty sure they'll find a SCII game somewhere they caan snapshot from and pretend...
It is similar enough....
15  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making the Galaxy embrace Juffo-Wup on: January 30, 2019, 06:57:04 am
Upload the images to a hostingbservices, then use [img] tags to link to those hosted images....
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