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« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2017, 06:03:12 pm »

I think the way to deal with Folk Physics would be to extract the parts of it that are true and focus on those. Like, things have a tendency to stop. But, this is not innate. It happens from friction, where the motion of the thing gets spread out across the things it runs into.

You can cover the details of how and how much and all that later.

But literal medieval physics was more wrong than folk physics. It has no place outside of intellectual history classes.
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« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2017, 06:56:22 pm »

Oh, we did those experiments in physics course.

Also to answer questions what is heavier when falling on your head: a kg of lead, or a kg of densely packed feathers....
(meant to mean: what will be more painful). Our school had tuubes, and one was vacuum packed with a feather...
The feather did indeed fall as fast through the tube, as an irob ball in a similar tube...
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« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2017, 11:29:01 pm »

Also to answer questions what is heavier when falling on your head: a kg of lead, or a kg of densely packed feathers....
(meant to mean: what will be more painful).

They will hit your head with the same speed, but 1 kg of lead will be more painful/harmful, because 1 kg of densely packed feathers is much more elastic. Not everything of equal mass hitting you at the same speed is equally painful/harmful. This  is also related to the elasticity of the material hitting your head.

Also. It doesn't need to be equal mass to accelerate at the same speed in a vacuum tube. A feather of 1 gram will accelerate just as fast as 1 kg of lead (9.81 m/s2).
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« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2017, 11:50:55 pm »

I found this book with science experiments for kids:



https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Kids-Science-Experiments-Gravity-Challenge/dp/1580625576/

Kids should probably be doing a lot more experiments in school, and build stuff. Here are my sister's kids building a tree house:

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« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2017, 10:14:56 pm »

Also to answer questions what is heavier when falling on your head: a kg of lead, or a kg of densely packed feathers....
(meant to mean: what will be more painful).

They will hit your head with the same speed, but 1 kg of lead will be more painful/harmful, because 1 kg of densely packed feathers is much more elastic. Not everything of equal mass hitting you at the same speed is equally painful/harmful. This  is also related to the elasticity of the material hitting your head.

Also. It doesn't need to be equal mass to accelerate at the same speed in a vacuum tube. A feather of 1 gram will accelerate just as fast as 1 kg of lead (9.81 m/s2).
When falling from 1cm, you eon't feel the difference.....

From the roof of school? Well, yeah, air resistance will make a difference already.
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« Reply #80 on: August 07, 2017, 11:42:19 pm »

I have read more than half of this book now:



https://www.amazon.com/Intellectual-Curiosity-Scientific-Revolution-Perspective/dp/0521170524/

And this is what I have gotten so far from this book:



So it seems like both geniuses and an intellectually curious culture is needed for scientific progress.
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« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2017, 09:03:14 pm »

Hence we European were so easily able to overtake the Chinese in science, despite their initial headstart...
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« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2017, 11:14:05 pm »

Hence we European were so easily able to overtake the Chinese in science, despite their initial headstart...

Yep. I have written this now:

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Intellectual curiosity seems to have been essential for the scientific revolution[1]. The telescope was invented in Europe in the beginning of the 17th century, but it quickly spread to China, India and the Ottoman empire. However, none of those civilizations were as eager as the Europeans to use the telescope to study the solar system and look at the stars, or to modify it into a microscope to study the minuscule world. Therefore, not much happened in China, India and the Ottoman empire, while it set in motion the scientific revolution in Europe.

And added it to the page about education: http://www.archania.org/education_motivated_by_intellectual_curiosity.html

I just ordered this book now:



https://www.amazon.com/Why-Dont-Students-Like-School/dp/047059196X/
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« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2017, 02:10:49 pm »

I have read more than half of this book now:



https://www.amazon.com/Intellectual-Curiosity-Scientific-Revolution-Perspective/dp/0521170524/

And this is what I have gotten so far from this book:



So it seems like both geniuses and an intellectually curious culture is needed for scientific progress.

I don't agree at all. For example history has proven that the conservative nature of the catholic church provoked many scientists to prove them otherwise. an example that was often used is christopher columbus proving that the earth is not flat to the catholic church, but this is a fable. but another example could be that how isaac newton was treated in his early years by conservatists had driven him to gain a drive for proving them wrong.
Conservatism and progressivism keep eachother in balance. That, and someone needs to be conservative to people practicing pseudo-science (ie the numerous 'cancer cures' on facebook giving people false hope).
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« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2017, 05:50:50 pm »

I don't agree at all. For example history has proven that the conservative nature of the catholic church provoked many scientists to prove them otherwise.

Well, it sounds a bit exaggerated to say that history has proven this.  It sounds a bit more honest to say that many scientists might have been partially motivated by a desire to prove the catholic church wrong. Personally I think most scientific geniuses are mainly motivated by a desire to understand the universe better. Not so much by a desire to prove other people wrong. But of course, sometimes we are indeed motivated by a desire to prove other people wrong.

Conservatism and progressivism keep eachother in balance. That, and someone needs to be conservative to people practicing pseudo-science (ie the numerous 'cancer cures' on facebook giving people false hope).

Well, well. Being skeptical and conservative are not exactly the same thing. People should be skeptical to all information, which includes traditional ways of thinking. But skeptical people should also be open to arguments proving them wrong. Conservative, dogmatic, closed-minded people are not open to arguments proving them wrong, and they are usually not skeptical to traditional ways of thinking.
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« Reply #85 on: August 10, 2017, 11:08:26 pm »

I don't agree at all. For example history has proven that the conservative nature of the catholic church provoked many scientists to prove them otherwise.

Well, it sounds a bit exaggerated to say that history has proven this.  It sounds a bit more honest to say that many scientists might have been partially motivated by a desire to prove the catholic church wrong. Personally I think most scientific geniuses are mainly motivated by a desire to understand the universe better. Not so much by a desire to prove other people wrong. But of course, sometimes we are indeed motivated by a desire to prove other people wrong.

Conservatism and progressivism keep eachother in balance. That, and someone needs to be conservative to people practicing pseudo-science (ie the numerous 'cancer cures' on facebook giving people false hope).

Well, well. Being skeptical and conservative are not exactly the same thing. People should be skeptical to all information, which includes traditional ways of thinking. But skeptical people should also be open to arguments proving them wrong. Conservative, dogmatic, closed-minded people are not open to arguments proving them wrong, and they are usually not skeptical to traditional ways of thinking.

You could be right about that, perhaps I exaggerated. Then again, I also believe that you can learn just as much from the cleaning lady or a child as from the best genius in the world. Often years long experience in combination with the fantastic pattern recognition abilities of the human mind , or just an incredible gut feeling leads people making incredible discoveries that help others. Sadly the powers that be in the scientific world are often not impressed with people like that, unless said person comes with a lot of data to support these claims.
But that might be my dutchness talking. We think we can tell the queen or president that he/she is wrong despite their status.

I might be a bit hypocritical here since I work in the field of data, enabling companies to become data driven and outperform competitors by employing analytics and smart algorithms. Still, you can't really dwell on data alone, you sometimes need to think outside of the box to see what else is there.
For example disapproving of Chinese progress in the past might lead you to overlook it entirely, while it certainly has a lot to teach us Smiley.
They say that being genius is just one floor below insanity. I guess the lower floors prevent the upwards floors from going insane.
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« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2017, 07:16:56 pm »

For example disapproving of Chinese progress in the past might lead you to overlook it entirely, while it certainly has a lot to teach us Smiley.

Indeed it has a lot to teach us, and I have actually written this in the end of the article:

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11.2 Learning from the history humanity

History should be taught quite late, since it is important for people to understand it properly. Older teenagers also seem to be more interested in it. Rather than learning national histories, they should learn about the history of humanity. In this topic, they should analyze  what made different civilizations prosper and fail, to see commonalities, so that they can understand better how to make this society prosper. They should also try to find commonalities between periods when our understanding was advancing quickly, such as Greece in 5th century BC, the Tang dynasty in China, the Islamic Golden Age, the Italian Renaissance, the Scientific Revolution during the 17th century, the Age of Enlightenment in the 18th century, and the Civil Rights Movement in the 20th century.

http://www.archania.org/education_motivated_by_intellectual_curiosity.html
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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2017, 04:48:48 am »

Then again, I also believe that you can learn just as much from the cleaning lady or a child as from the best genius in the world.

As much? Just by talking with them?

I could understand 'a great deal', but 'as much' is a really strong claim. If the cleaning lady and the greatest genius in the world set out to teach you things, and you were capable of following along, I am pretty sure the janitor would run out first.
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« Reply #88 on: August 26, 2017, 07:51:09 pm »

I have started on a much more detailed digital archive of educational material:


For pupils to 3-6 years old.
https://www.amazon.com/Sid-Science-Kid-Season-1/dp/B00R876SQS
https://www.amazon.com/Great-Science-Experiments-Neil-Ardley/dp/1465428267/
https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Kids-Science-Experiments-Gravity-Challenge/dp/1580625576/
https://www.amazon.com/101-Coolest-Simple-Science-Experiments/dp/1624141331/
https://www.toysforscience.com/

For pupils to 6-9 years old.
https://www.amazon.com/Bill-Nye-Science-Guy-Volume1/dp/B00MHD29KC
https://www.rocknlearn.com/collections/specials/products/rl763
https://www.rocknlearn.com/collections/specials/products/rl721
https://www.rocknlearn.com/collections/specials/products/rl726
https://www.homesciencetools.com/real-science-4-kids-pre-level-1-biology-set
https://www.homesciencetools.com/real-science-4-kids-pre-level-1-chemistry-set
https://www.homesciencetools.com/real-science-4-kids-pre-level-1-physics-set

For pupils to 9-12 years old.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/306760/Obduction/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/454250/The_Eyes_of_Ara/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/512790/Quern__Undying_Thoughts/
http://sc2.sourceforge.net/

Evolutionary history:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/major-transitions-in-evolution.html
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/a-new-history-of-life.html
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B007O5W36I/
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KE5JOS/
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-origin-and-evolution-of-earth-from-the-big-bang-to-the-future-of-human-existence.html

Linear algebra:
https://khanacademy.org/math/linear-algebra


Software engineeering:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/julia-programming
https://www.coursera.org/specializations/python
https://www.coursera.org/specializations/java-programming
http://www.thegreatcourses.com.au/courses/how-to-program-computer-science-concepts-and-python-exercises.html

Cosmology:
http://www.pbs.org/show/pbs-space-time/
https://www.amazon.com/Through-Wormhole-Morgan-Freeman/dp/B0047HXMKM
https://www.amazon.com/Cosmos-Spacetime-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson/dp/B00IWULQQ2/
https://www.amazon.com/How-Universe-Works-Mike-Rowe/dp/B004QSQMG8/
https://www.amazon.com/Into-Universe-Stephen-Hawking-Steven/dp/B0047HXMMU/
https://www.homesciencetools.com/science-curriculum-kits/real-science-4-kids/elementary-astronomy

Organic chemistry:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/foundations-of-organic-chemistry.html
https://khanacademy.org/science/organic-chemistry


For pupils to 12-15 years old.

Benefits of Diversity:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-hidden-factor-why-thinking-differently-is-your-greatest-asset.html

Benefits Humility:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/intellectual-humility-science
https://www.coursera.org/learn/intellectual-humility-practice
https://www.coursera.org/learn/intellectual-humility-theory
https://www.coursera.org/learn/mindware


Music:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/edinburgh-music-theory



For pupils to 15-18 years old.

Calculus:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/change-and-motion-calculus-made-clear-2nd-edition.html
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/understanding-calculus-problems-solutions-and-tips.html
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/understanding-multivariable-calculus-problems-solutions-and-tips.html

Quantum physics:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/quantum-mechanics-the-physics-of-the-microscopic-world.html

Relativity:
https://khanacademy.org/science/physics/special-relativity
https://www.coursera.org/learn/einstein-relativity
https://www.coursera.org/learn/general-relativity

Entropy:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/thermodynamics-four-laws-that-move-the-universe.html
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-science-of-information-from-language-to-black-holes.html

Machine learning:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/machine-learning
https://www.coursera.org/learn/bayesian


For pupils to 18-21 years old.

World history:
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/a-brief-history-of-the-world.html
https://khanacademy.org/humanities/world-history
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/birth-of-the-modern-mind-the-intellectual-history-of-the-17th-and-18th-centuries.html


Democracy:
https://www.coursera.org/learn/international-taxation
https://www.amazon.com/Eyes-Prize-Season-1/dp/B00EE2W00I
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/the-surveillance-state-big-data-freedom-and-you.html
http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/privacy-property-and-free-speech-law-and-the-constitution.html
https://www.coursera.org/learn/common-law
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« Reply #89 on: August 27, 2017, 08:37:03 am »

Then again, I also believe that you can learn just as much from the cleaning lady or a child as from the best genius in the world.

As much? Just by talking with them?

I could understand 'a great deal', but 'as much' is a really strong claim. If the cleaning lady and the greatest genius in the world set out to teach you things, and you were capable of following along, I am pretty sure the janitor would run out first.
It depends what knowledge you want to gain. Being knowledgable in one subject could mean having learned less in another.

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"I am deeply moved by the offer from our State of Israel [to serve as President], and at once saddened and ashamed that I cannot accept it. All my life I have dealt with objective matters, hence I lack both the natural aptitude and the experience to deal properly with people and to exercise official functions. For these reasons alone I should be unsuited to fulfill the duties of that high office, even if advancing age was not making increasing inroads on my strength. I am the more distressed over these circumstances because my relationship to the Jewish people has become my strongest human bond, ever since I became fully aware of our precarious situation among the nations of the world."

As the biggest scientific genius of the previous century wrote as a reply to him being offered the presidency of Israel.
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