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« Reply #45 on: June 24, 2017, 02:48:51 pm »

He never said he'd grab his own daughter by the pussy. He said, that because of his wealth and power, he can grab any woman by the pussy, and they'll like it (or pretend) becausehe has the power to kill her career forever.

Yeah, but that is abuse of his position/wealth, and I seriously doubt all women like it (they might just be too scared to say something, because of his position/wealth)

Imagine if you had a daughter that worked in his company, and he did something like that to her. In this country that would be considered sexual abuse, and serious enough to get you imprisoned.

But I think Donald Trump would have been imprissoned a long time ago if he lived here. We have much stricter rules for how you treat your employees, and much stricter rules about transparency and taxation.

And what about this. Here he mocks a reporter with disability: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

And also, his quotes on this page. It shows such a level of stupidity as I wouldn't even expect from the worst dictators in Africa: http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/entertainment/people/donald-trump-quotes-57213

And you know, in many of the African countries that have horrible dictators, most of the population don't have any education at all.
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« Reply #46 on: June 24, 2017, 06:09:03 pm »

It seems a great deal less trivial when you have a suspicion that she might be calling YOU deplorable.

Also, take this into consideration.

When she referred to Trump supporters as a basket of deplorables, she might have been referring to these people:

  • People that think it is okay to have a president that uses his position/wealth for sexual abuse
  • People that think it is okay to have a president that mocks disabled people

I guess she erroneously though there weren't so many such people in the US. We know better now.
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« Reply #47 on: June 25, 2017, 12:09:24 am »

Of COURSE she was referring to those people… but,

A - Not all true statements are safe to make, especially broadly made insults without lots of clarification.

B - she initially said it was half of Trump's support, which would be around a sixth of the country. That was enough people that anyone on the fence between the two of them has to wonder whether she means THEM. And generally speaking, if you say a broad swath of your country is deplorable, it generally raises suspicions that you do not have the best interests of everyone in the country at heart

I'd compare it to Romney's '47%' remark 4 years ago.

C - as noted and even proven above, a lot of people believe that as bad as Trump was, she was even worse. Literally thought she ran a pedophilia ring out of a pizza parlor, on top of being a mass-murderer. That kind of worse.
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« Reply #48 on: June 25, 2017, 01:06:32 am »

C - as noted and even proven above, a lot of people believe that as bad as Trump was, she was even worse. Literally thought she ran a pedophilia ring out of a pizza parlor, on top of being a mass-murderer. That kind of worse.

Yeah, but also completely unrealistic. 99% of all pedophiles and mass murderers are also male. Funny that these conspiracy theories surround your first female candidate.

We have recordings of Trump bragging about sexual abuse and mocking the disabled. Where is the hard evidence for the crimes committed by Hillary?

The only evidence I know of, is that she used a private email server. Trump uses Twitter as his email server.
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« Reply #49 on: June 25, 2017, 03:34:15 am »

First off, consider where these people are getting their news - Fox News. This is not an operation with the highest epistemic standards.

> 99% of all pedophiles and mass murderers are also male.

Nowhere near 99% of pedophiles are male. Among people who hire hitmen, this is also the case.

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ANYWAY - mod note - I think it would be best if we left this particular subtopic. I won't lock the topic as a whole so long we can keep it on Trump himself, and elected Republican officials or high-ranking non-elected party members/influencers (such as Fox), or his opponents (such as Hillary - she's not off limits), and keep it off of discussing-  and especially not impugning - his citizen supporters. (EDITED TO CHANGE TO GREEN FOR LEGIBILITY)
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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2017, 10:00:49 am »

First off, consider where these people are getting their news - Fox News. This is not an operation with the highest epistemic standards.

Although I do think Fox news, Breibart news, and Infowars are a huge part of the problem, I also wonder why so many people are attracted to these news sources. I have a suspicion that if people were better educated (especially in regard to critical thinking skills, and source-checking), they wouldn't be so easily fooled by these news sources.

Also, are there any compulsory topics high school, where students need to reflect on society? I don't quite understand the purpose of how history often is taught. Many history courses seem to be just about memorizing the names of kings and queens, and memorizing at which years they ruled. Just memorizing lots of "historical facts" doesn't necessarily serve any purpose. The purpose of learning history, must be to learn when&why we failed in the past, and when&why we succeeded in the past. Are there such history courses in your high school curriculum?

Can you also explain to me how this can be the case: 7 Percent of American Adults Believe Chocolate Milk Comes From Brown Cows https://www.peta.org/blog/american-adults-think-chocolate-milk-comes-from-brown-cows/

Don't you learn the basics about food and nutrition in high school?

And how can this be the case: 1 in 4 Americans Apparently Unaware the Earth Orbits the Sun http://time.com/7809/1-in-4-americans-thinks-sun-orbits-earth/

Don't you learn the basics about the solar system in high school?
 
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« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2017, 02:58:06 pm »

A) From that second article…

> Americans actually fared better than Europeans who took similar quizzes -- at least when it came to the sun and Earth question. Only 66 percent of European Union residents answered that one correctly.

… seems like either this is a human problem, not an American problem, or there was something wrong with the survey.

B) HEY. JUST BECAUSE I DID NOT USE RED TEXT AND ALL CAPS DID NOT MEAN I DID NOT MEAN IT. ANY MORE AND YOU CAN SPEND A FEW DAYS ON THE BAN LIST.
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« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2017, 03:44:20 pm »

B) HEY. JUST BECAUSE I DID NOT USE RED TEXT AND ALL CAPS DID NOT MEAN I DID NOT MEAN IT. ANY MORE AND YOU CAN SPEND A FEW DAYS ON THE BAN LIST.

Fine with me... I am busy watching lectures about corruption by professor Philip Nichols at the University of Pennsylvania. https://www.coursera.org/learn/wharton-corruption

And as I have said previously. Many of the brightest professors in the world are Americans. I am just a bit concerned about all those Americans that didn't go to Harvard, or one of your expensive highly ranked universities. I fear that USA is becoming a more intellectual elitist society, while the average citizen is left behind. Which is silly, since I believe almost all people can become intellectually bright, if we just start educating them correctly from an early age.
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« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2017, 08:01:27 am »

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Also, are there any compulsory topics high school, where students need to reflect on society?

That's a state thing. It's not a national thing. I can only speak for Michigan, but no, there isn't a legal mandate for a class to force students to write reflections about things they know little about. They get a lot of chances to do so if they want to, though.

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Many history courses seem to be just about memorizing the names of kings and queens, and memorizing at which years they ruled.

I never learned any such thing, much less was asked to memorize it. I mean, you might get asked questions about a certain king and you're going to need to know what his name is to answer questions about him, but that's very different.

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The purpose of learning history, must be to learn when&why we failed in the past, and when&why we succeeded in the past. Are there such history courses in your high school curriculum?

Yes. All of them, at least all of the ones I took. Plus extra coverage of some of that stuff in English classes.

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Don't you learn the basics about food and nutrition in high school?

Currently taught nutrition advice is not based in science; it's instead based on decades-old bureaucracy. But yes. We do learn the nonsense about how salt is bad for you, meat is bad for you, fat is bad for you, and that we should shove bread and pasta down our throats and drink more water than we actually want.

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Don't you learn the basics about the solar system in high school?

No, we learn that in elementary school. Often even earlier than that.
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« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2017, 02:40:56 pm »

Trump's coat of arms being, in Europe, especially the UK, problematic copy of an existing coat of arms:
http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2017/06/trump-and-his-coat-of-arms.html (ipkitten is a blog about Intellecual Property (IP))

Actually, the coat of arms has no value in USoA rights, but in Europe coat of arms are important.
The most telling sign is though the one change Trump has had done to the coat of arms.
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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2017, 09:53:33 am »

First off, consider where these people are getting their news - Fox News. This is not an operation with the highest epistemic standards.

> 99% of all pedophiles and mass murderers are also male.

Nowhere near 99% of pedophiles are male. Among people who hire hitmen, this is also the case.

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ANYWAY - mod note - I think it would be best if we left this particular subtopic. I won't lock the topic as a whole so long we can keep it on Trump himself, and elected Republican officials or high-ranking non-elected party members/influencers (such as Fox), or his opponents (such as Hillary - she's not off limits), and keep it off of discussing-  and especially not impugning - his citizen supporters.
I can't read that blue text at all on that background.
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« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2017, 10:03:08 am »

I also had to press "quote" to be able to read it.

On this machine I can select the text and thus get a background that enables me to read the mod-voice.
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« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2017, 04:57:41 pm »

Noted.
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