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« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2017, 12:13:37 am »

Due to the low level of trust in US government, the US national debt and the large military expenditure, I think USA might have been on an inevitable trajectory to become a failed state even long before Donald Trump became president. I also think the American Medicare system must be extremely inefficient compared to the west European ones, since west Europeans actually aren't using significantly larger proportions of their budgets on health care. West European citizens just get much more from their health care expenditure, probably because the West European system is much more efficient. Could also be related to the high price of pharmaceuticals in the United States.

But western Europe might also not survive the next decades, due to the large amount of immigrants coming from Africa to Italy. European countries should be spending tons of money on helping to build infrastructure in African countries. Instead, I suspect Europeans might rather eventually start to fire at African immigrants. But what is left of humanity in Europe then.

There seems to be a huge problem with humanity. Long term thinking is mostly absent in politics, which means we are unlikely to be able to substantially decrease the amount of carbon dioxide we are using, or that we are unlikely to solve the emerging immigration crisis in Europe. We simply aren't able to invest enough in long term goals. This might be the main reason why human societies almost always fail eventually. Human brains are not sufficiently developed for long term thinking.
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« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2017, 03:48:53 am »

It isn't Medicare in particular, but the entire medical system. Might want to check out Slatestarcodex's article on cost disease (SSC is linked from LW ind it's a recent article) to get a primer on the US's peculiar horribleness in respect to medical care.
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« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2017, 08:14:08 am »

It isn't Medicare in particular, but the entire medical system. Might want to check out Slatestarcodex's article on cost disease (SSC is linked from LW ind it's a recent article) to get a primer on the US's peculiar horribleness in respect to medical care.

I will look into it.

By the way, I am a bit scared that long-term thinking might be distributed according to a gauss curve similarly to IQ, where the median isn't particularly "long-term".

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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2017, 12:50:31 pm »

Quite - the three assertions about the Netherlands made up top have nothing at all to do with being a tax haven. This can be considered corruption, but only in a loose sense, because the interests of the Netherlands are not being betrayed by its servants. Instead, they are playing a negative-sum game with other countries, which is a rather different thing altogether.

You're forgetting that these companies are sitting on huge sums of cash over which they had paid no taxes while earning it. Ie. they need to spend it some way.
And they usually do this by taking over other companies -- and since dutch companies do have to pay taxes this puts the americans at an unfair advanctage.
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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2017, 02:31:25 pm »

There seems to be a huge problem with humanity. Long term thinking is mostly absent [...]
That is a direct consequence of democracy.

If you want to stay in power to do the best for your country, even if you want to be the best long-term, you cannot push for very drastic consequences (like China did with the one-child-policy).
Germany should push for harsher sanctions against the Diesel-scandal, just like Italy and France. But these three countries build a lot of Diesel-engines. The whole technology base of these countries profits from Diesel, so no politicial wants to decide something which might kill jobs, which would reduce economic welath, which would cost jobs, which would create disgruntled voters, which would mean someone else wins the next election.
Even if this decision means, that the vehicle companies think they can continue, and will not force the development of alternative propulsion sufficiently, which means that in ten years, foreign vehicle-makers will dominate the market with their electric vehicles, which will mean a much larger loss of jobs here. But that's two-and-a-half election cycles away, and no now-top-politician can expect to be in a position to grab the power then.

Democracy is not a good thing for really severe long-term crisis. It's good for personal freedom, and social equality, but not for problems like alternative energies and climate change.

A benevolent dictatorship would be the option to go for, but these systems have in common that they either collapse (having given the people to much freedom, thus the possibility to rebel), or turned into a strict dictatorship.

But, seeing how certain politician came to power, would you trust any of them to be a benevolent dictator with the best interest of "his people" in mind?
Kingdoms worked astonishingly well in that regard. Social inequality, yes, but the people were rather free under the reigning powers. Also due to a lack of supervision technologies.
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« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2017, 11:54:43 am »

The EU revealed that Apple has paid 0,005% taxes in the EU.
That's 50 euro per 1 million euro.
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« Reply #36 on: August 12, 2017, 04:45:18 am »

the people were rather free under the reigning powers.

Sometimes, maybe. Many kings had the equivalent of secret police. That was one of the purposes of the Stamp Tax, back in the pre-revolutionary period of American history.
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« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2017, 12:54:09 pm »

Sometimes, maybe. Many kings had the equivalent of secret police. That was one of the purposes of the Stamp Tax, back in the pre-revolutionary period of American history.

I think the entire population needs to be involved in deciding who is going to rule, otherwise we will just create room for corruption and the general population is likely to grow distrustful of the government.

However, western democracies are deteriorating right now, and one could perhaps argue that things aren't necessarily so much better now than during the reign of a good king.

I have added this to my page about "criteria for a healthy democracy" today:



http://www.archania.org/criteria_for_a_healthy_democracy.html

I have no doubt that our democracy has deteriorated here. Yesterday, I checked for political debate programs broadcasted by our national TV-channel during the 80's and 90's. There were lots of interesting political debates broadcasted then, while political advertisements were illegal here at that time. Now, I can barely find any political debates in our national TV broadcast, while I am flooded with oversimplified stupid political advertisements.

Also, I think people should start to realize that the age of nation states is coming to an end. We are living in an interconnected world today, and we couldn't sit and talk like this with people from all around the world 30 years ago. Traditional TV-broadcasting, radio, and newspapers are losing to the flow of information from Internet. Europeans are becoming increasingly nationalistic, maybe more because of Internet than because of foreigners. People are starting to feel an identity crisis, since their national identities are deteriorating.  Ironically, this tends to make them even more nationalistic, since they are scared of losing their national identities.
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« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2017, 10:48:21 pm »

A good king, yes. That's the trick. So long as the ruler is good, it's better to give them more power. Once they have more power, precedent is set for them to have a lot of power, and this precedent will apply to the office after the good king has been replaced by someone who can be quite bad at it.

Aristotle had it right - most governments are not very good at what they do, and democracy mostly mitigates the damage while curtailing the best possibilities.

I agree that the 4th estate can be abused to bend it towards kakistocracy.
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« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2017, 07:41:21 pm »

Aristotle had it right - most governments are not very good at what they do, and democracy mostly mitigates the damage while curtailing the best possibilities.

I agree that the 4th estate can be abused to bend it towards kakistocracy.

How well a democracy functions depends a lot on how well educated people are. This is why we need to focus upon education before democracy. Implementing democracies in third world countries, without first educating the people living there, is a bad idea. A much better idea is to only focus upon educating people, and then a functional democracy might emerge almost by itself.



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« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2017, 01:51:05 am »

Problem: that sounds really, REALLY patronizing. Because it is. And people don't like that.
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« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2017, 07:00:18 am »

Problem: that sounds really, REALLY patronizing. Because it is. And people don't like that.

If at the educational facility, you also provide free food, lots of people will come, since they want/need food. The educational facility should also provide free medical assistance. That is also likely to increase local popularity.

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« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2017, 09:42:25 am »

Western media covering a recent event, combining 2 totally unrelated facts as if they are cause and effect..
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/898080759935848449
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2017, 06:02:25 pm »

CNN journalist reveals that the agency is paid by governments to spread fake news.
http://yournewswire.com/cnn-journalist-governments-pay-us-to-fake-stories-shocking-expose/
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2017, 06:09:34 pm »

CNN journalist reveals that the agency is paid by governments to spread fake news.
http://yournewswire.com/cnn-journalist-governments-pay-us-to-fake-stories-shocking-expose/

What about the credibility of the page you are getting this information from?

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YourNewsWire (styled as YourNewsWire.com[1]) is an Los Angeles-based clickbait fake news website known for disseminating conspiracy theories and misleading information, contrary to its claimed motto (“News. Truth. Unfiltered”).[1]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/YourNewsWire
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