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The evolutionary history of music
« on: December 20, 2017, 02:37:24 pm »

I was thinking that there should be a topic about the evolutionary history of music, so I have been working on this diagram.

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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2017, 03:22:29 pm »

Many studies have been devoted to that and many diagrams have already been made of it.
Also, your schema is wrong. Progressive and black metal have been around for longer than 1990 for example Smiley.
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« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2017, 03:28:59 pm »

Many studies have been devoted to that and many diagrams have already been made of it.
Also, your schema is wrong. Progressive and black metal have been around for longer than 1990 for example Smiley.

According to wikipedia, progressive metal emerged around 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_metal). Black metal seems to have emerged a bit earlier, around 1985, so you are right about that.
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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2017, 08:48:10 pm »

Many studies have been devoted to that and many diagrams have already been made of it.
Also, your schema is wrong. Progressive and black metal have been around for longer than 1990 for example Smiley.

According to wikipedia, progressive metal emerged around 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_metal). Black metal seems to have emerged a bit earlier, around 1985, so you are right about that.

That's because you only read the first lines of that wikipedia article. It was around before that but didn't become popular until the 90's.
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2017, 09:02:31 pm »

That's because you only read the first lines of that wikipedia article. It was around before that but didn't become popular until the 90's.

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Whilst the genre emerged towards the late-1980s, it was not until the 1990s that progressive metal achieved commercial success.

Well, if you want to consider the roots from the 60s and 70s as progressive metal, maybe we also shouldn't differentiate between homo erects and modern humans?

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Progressive metal's roots can be traced back to the late 1960s and early 1970s british rock scene, to bands such as Keith Emerson's The Nice and Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Procol Harum, Atomic Rooster, Deep Purple and others which incorporated keyboards and classical instrumentation into the heaviness of their proto-hard rock style of music.

If you look on the wikipedia page for each of these groups, you will see that none of them are categorized as progressive metal, but rather as progressive rock, which is a different category.

Even the bands that are categorized as playing progressive metal, didn't necessarily play progressive metal in the beginning. The first albums of Dream Theater for example, weren't particularly progressive.

BTW: I found this page, to learn more about electronic music: http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/music.swf

The guy that has made the webpage has an amusingly large knowledge about electronic music. In each category he has multiple songs, and when I check them in spotify, many of them have very few listeners.
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2017, 02:55:54 am »

As an avid listener to progressive rock and metal I should tell you that most artists that make progressive metal also make progressive rock Smiley.
Check devin townsend, ayreon, opeth etc.

But progressive rock isn't even on your list Sad

And.. putting the origin of a style after it was conceived first is really a slap in the face of the artists who started the genre.
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2017, 10:02:01 am »

As an avid listener to progressive rock and metal I should tell you that most artists that make progressive metal also make progressive rock Smiley.
Check devin townsend, ayreon, opeth etc.

Those bands started in the 90s when the progressive metal motifs were already established. Find me an album from the 60s, 70s, or even early 80s with progressive metal motifs.

But progressive rock isn't even on your list Sad

Didn't have enough space on my diagram to write it there.

And.. putting the origin of a style after it was conceived first is really a slap in the face of the artists who started the genre.

Well, I have psychedelic rock there, and progressive rock kinda originated from psychedelic  rock.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2017, 02:02:29 pm »

Good luck with your diagram. I'm sorry for assuming that you wanted feedback.
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2017, 04:02:39 pm »

Good luck with your diagram. I'm sorry for assuming that you wanted feedback.

IThe diagram kinda sucks, so I am giving up on it. Was more complicated than I had thought, and I dont have a sufficiently good understanding. So I will rather spemd time trying to learn more about this.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2018, 09:32:03 pm »

Why is there no link from Punk to Electronic  music? The New Romantics evolved out of punk in 1980
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2018, 11:21:11 am »

Why is there no link from Punk to Electronic  music? The New Romantics evolved out of punk in 1980

I decided to abandon this diagram, because it contained too many nodes and arrows. Diagrams like these should ideally have less than 8 nodes, in order for the brain to be able to store the entire diagram easily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_memory#Capacity

A better way to deal with this, could be by having less than 8 main nodes on the main diagram, and more detailed diagrams when you clicked on each of the main nodes.
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