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Archetypes
« on: March 03, 2018, 01:07:53 pm »

I have been thinking a little about archetypes, and it seems reasonable that we have evolved some archetypes. We can of course create stereotypes by inductive reasoning, but some stereotypes seem to come from instincts or biological evolution. Here is a map of some archetypes I think come from our instincts or biological evolution:



The "Sage" archetype seems to be the only archetype that only humans have. The other archetypes seem to be common also in many other mammals.
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2018, 06:23:38 pm »

There are a ton of others. Why did you pick these?

Also, that reminds me of another hexagonal diagram I saw once.
In this case, the vertical axis is introversion, with extroversion on the bottom.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2018, 07:24:10 pm »

There are a ton of others. Why did you pick these?

I don't necessarily think there are so many others. I mean, we can probably make an almost infinite about of stereotypes, but I don't think we are genetically preprogrammed for so many stereotypes (or archtypes). These I think have a high likelyhood of being genetically preprogrammed.

In the paleolithic era, when humans evolved, we lived in quite small communities. In these groups, there probably was one "alpha male", and maybe one "wise old guy (sage)". Women were of course involved in rasing the children (caretaking).

When an alpha male gets old, it is usually challenged by a younger member of the community. Therefore I put the challenger there. Young fertile women that hadn't had kids yet, were temptresses.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2018, 10:04:41 pm »

Here is a new version:

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« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 12:17:33 pm »

I am thinking that many of the presidents of today, might be appealing to this desire for alpha male leaders. Putin and Duterte seem to appeal a lot to the innate desire of humans to have an alpha male to rule their societies. I would also argue that Germans think of Angela Merkel as a caregiver. They probably got a bit sick of alpha males after Hitler.

I have also started wondering if it is wise to just have one person ruling a society. If we elected 3 individuals (one alpha male, one caregiver, and one sage), then they could make decisions democratically in the government. It might be more balance between the sexes in such a system. Because of this idea, I have now included this on the page about governance and criteria for a healthy democracy: http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes

BTW, I have now made all the sections and subsections in all my articles into anchors, that can be linked to directly. This makes it really good when I am discussing with people, because I can now link directly to where I have written about whatever we are discussing.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2018, 07:40:14 pm »

Since I don't need the "infant", "temptress", and "challenger" archetypes in my government, I decided to remove them from the diagram. Here is the new version:



http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2018, 02:39:56 am »

That seems possibly overly prescriptive, and highly speculative.
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« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2018, 06:28:12 am »

That seems possibly overly prescriptive, and highly speculative.

I don't understand why people think it is such a good idea with just one guy at the top, especially after the election of Donald Trump. In this system he would only have the position as alpha male. 1/3 power. Same for Putin and Duterte.

Also, many of the countries that have elected soft power leaders now, might be in danger from Putin and countries with hard power leaders. This is one of the reasons why Hitler had such success in the beginning of World War 2.

Too much femininity (soft power) is also not necessarily a good thing.
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« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2018, 10:34:28 am »

I added this venn diagram and this proof:



http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2018, 10:24:16 pm »

That seems possibly overly prescriptive, and highly speculative.

I don't understand why people think it is such a good idea with just one guy at the top, especially after the election of Donald Trump. In this system he would only have the position as alpha male. 1/3 power. Same for Putin and Duterte.

The US already has a system in which the president has carefully limited powers. The presidency isn't even Article 1. Congress is nominally supreme.

Well, they keep ceding power to the president, but the division of powers like this seems a lot more comprehensible than some personality quiz based thing. Do they have different powers and responsibilities?
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2018, 11:25:24 am »

Well, they keep ceding power to the president, but the division of powers like this seems a lot more comprehensible than some personality quiz based thing.

I completely agree. Actually, standardized tests are likely to promote conformity, which is the opposite of what I am trying to promote in my educational system. So I have removed that part now.

Do they have different powers and responsibilities?

I have now added this text:



http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes

Also, just wanted to say that I have now converted absolutely everything I have on my website with my own latex2html script. I converted the page about Bayes Theorem and the Diversity Prediction Theorem today.

BTW, does anybody know how I can make Google better at linking my images to other similar images on the Internet? Google mostly seems to link my images to other images from my own site.

https://www.google.no/search?q=site:archania.org&source=lnms&tbm=isch
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2018, 06:59:59 pm »

I made a new illustration for the diversity prediction theorem:



https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/

BTW. I am horrible at drawing things. Nobody else wants to try to draw this?
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« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2018, 11:34:50 pm »

I have written more about the female archetype, which seems to be unique to humans:

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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2018, 05:38:07 pm »

Miiiight be. It's a 'just-so story' as evolutionary biologists have long ago learned to be wary of, since they so often turned out to be false.
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« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2018, 12:08:43 am »

Miiiight be. It's a 'just-so story' as evolutionary biologists have long ago learned to be wary of, since they so often turned out to be false.

It can probably be proven that you can make many such fibers, which will make it much more difficult for such predators to bite you. If you also had a stone weapon in your hand, you could probably get rid of a cheetah almost by yourself. A few humans working together with such armors and stone weapons might even be able to get rid of lions.

This would have been extremely advantageous. You could, for example, steal food from other predators, and prevent other predators from stealing food from you.
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