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Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« on: June 24, 2018, 01:55:00 am »

Support the creators of the game, and Chancellor Neighsay is best pony. I dropped a C note to help, and will probably support them more as time goes on.

Accreditation is super-important, diplomacy not so much.

Praise Frungy

https://www.gofundme.com/help-fred-amp-paul-save-the-universe
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2018, 04:31:39 am »

I can't help but think letting Zelnik be the OP for all these topics pertaining to the lawsuit is... not putting our best foot forward. He seems a bit overzealous.

(I donated some $$ too)
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2018, 04:47:54 am »

Oh look, Zelnik's last post. We bow our heads in acknowledgement.
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2018, 05:10:34 am »

I can't help but think letting Zelnik be the OP for all these topics pertaining to the lawsuit is... not putting our best foot forward. He seems a bit overzealous.

(I donated some $$ too)

If it wasn't him it would be some other rabid fan boy. That's why this whole situation makes so little sense.

Step one) Star*ock buys the SC trademark. It's valuable because of the fan base.

Step two) Sink a bunch of money into game development.

Step three) Anger the fan base by threatening UQM's plot resolution.

Step four) You already spent the money on game development and now you've threatened the value of the game's brand by aggravating the fans whose interest is what the brand derives its economic value from.

Star*ock should just dump the SC trademark and find another hook.

For example strike a deal with some e-celeb to star in 'Origins', shill it, and get 15% of gross revenue.

"Pewdiepie's Space Adventure!" Now that would have a bigger installed fan base than Star Control™©®™®© ™©®™® ©™©®™®©™©®™®©™©®™®© does
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2018, 04:43:29 pm »

Quote from: Zelnik
and Chancellor Neighsay is best pony

I'm going to have to watch this infamous cartoon sometime and pick a favorite pwny for D9 to use if/when the red hammer strikes me.
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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2018, 09:44:45 pm »

Donated a C note. what will all of you do?
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2018, 11:17:23 pm »

If this were a kickstarter to fund the game development I'd totally donate.

But I really don't feel good about donating to support a legal team when early posts on their own board seemed to indicate that they expected and even wanted a legal battle.
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2018, 01:09:19 am »

I wish this was a kickstarter too. But there's no way that P&F wanted a legal battle. They had proposed that they own the copyright, and Stardock own the Trademark. Stardock rejected it and said they also had the legal right to sell the original games (which they have since pulled down, at least for the duration of the lawsuit).

Stardock filed their lawsuit on December 7th. You do see posts from both sides about the legal stuff start to ramp up around then, but there's no way that Paul and Fred asked to be sued by Stardock. There's a massive difference between being ready for an attack and wanting one.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2018, 02:06:28 am »

Crowdfunding legal expenses is actually not all that unusual.
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I assume Fred and Paul have realistic expectations and don't expect this to actually cover any large percentage of their legal defenses, just help mitigate the costs a bit. They have done well for themselves and likely have enough saved up to save a million each,, though it would probably be digging out a big chunk of their savings. 2 million is probably an upper worst-case estimate though.

I donated some. But of course people have a right to choose where they put their money (and there are causes that are much more important in the scheme of things).
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2018, 05:07:13 am »

They just crossed 10k in donations. Anyone want to guess what value the Frungy Defense Fund will reach before donations close? I'm imagining a floor of 25k and a ceiling of 250k here.


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But I really don't feel good about donating to support a legal team when early posts on their own board seemed to indicate that they expected and even wanted a legal battle.

That's fair if you feel that way. Personally, as a die-hard fan of the game that's beyond pissed off at Stardock, it was an easy choice for me to join in.
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2018, 11:56:12 pm »

I'd rather fund an actual game.
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2018, 05:11:08 am »

I'd rather fund an actual game.

Same, but I'd also rather UQM get a real sequel instead of just getting Star Control III Electric Boogaloo so I donated.
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« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2018, 05:25:32 am »

It has been helpful to see the..depth of support they have. One never knows for sure until it’s put to the test. It has gotten an impressive amount of media coverage at least.

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« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2018, 10:59:58 am »

You should donate y'know.

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But in all seriousness, the moment they asked fans to fund their legal woes I thought it was over, and that's coming from someone who leans into P&F's lane. I'd much rather donate to a GotP kickstarter. However- I do wish they could somehow stay in this fight so that we could see what the court decides.
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Re: Support Dogar and Kazon, legal defense fund is up!
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2018, 01:29:34 pm »

Yeah, I lack an ending text like "any left over or refunded funds (if we win) will be used for GotP".
I'm pretty sure that would incite more people to help funding.

But then, if they'd run a "fund me" campaign for GotP, while the courtcase is running, people would complain about now knowing if the funds would be diverted for the legal battle, or possibly if they loose be seized by Stardock...

I find therefore asking for this to be the correct way.

But this is my personal opinion.


Also, seeing that Dogar and Kazon are the twin gods of evil, I don't know if I would want to fund a church bowing to these two "gods".

Maybe a more Pkunk like phrasing would've been better as title...,.

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