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Basicly I think they suck.
there seems to be only 3 genres today. fps, rts, and rpg that look like rts.
the most recent rts that i like is Total Annihalation.
AVP2 is the fps, (okay thats fairly new)
rpg is sc2.
another type I like is fallout tactics.

the way that game companies make games, make them look like lost sheep. when it comes to rts, they all try to copy blizzard.
how many fps shooters are there?

and when it comes to original ideas like MOO and anything that does not fall in line with what the rest of the games are like, they decide to ruin them.

I have just got Renagade and it is pretty good. It is a RPG shooter - I have also heared that Halo is good though I have never played.

Well, you could alwyas try this (http://www.auburn.edu/~alamysm/pinguin.swf)

hehe - I like that - got 323.1 most of it sliding - 205.9 with out hitting the ground - what is your record?

Andi fyou get bored with that, try this (http://www.bigideafun.com/penguins/arcade/spaced_penguin/info.htm).

I don't really keep high scores, thats a dJ thing, but I think I managed to get it up to just under 319 once.

Do you have something with penquin games???  

DJ thing? You say I am bored?

That game definatly goes on the list.

but do you guys know of any recent rts where you can have thousands of units? like TA?

well TA is limited too 500 but you get the idea.

There are lots more genres than that.  It's just that most of them are on consoles...

Brawlers have been making a comeback (many of which rely on older properties, e.g. Castlevania, Rygar, Shinobi, LotR...)

Fighting games (a) don't really work on PCs, and (b) haven't really done anything particularly new in quite some time.  Integration with other genres here is meaningless.

The odd space shooter still gets released as well; Gradius V and R-Type Final are both in the printing stages as we speak.

The GBA has platformers coming out its ears, as well as a good chunk of turn-based strategy games (I really should fire up FFTA again one of these days).

I miss graphic adventures, but the least impressive part of those games (the generalized lock-and-key fetching) has been integrated into most of the brawlers and RPGs.

I know there are alot more genre out there then that but when i walk into mediaplay the 3 i listed are all i can find. I MIGHT find one genre you mentioned but they tend to be poorly made or just suck.

I agree, there are no good games at the quality of Sc2 out there anymore...
i play alot of UT, and little war3. that's about it
i dont like the rpg style in general(tried to play jedi kotr or whatever) and a few others... it just suck(by my opinion). all games now need to be in some 3d engine, but it's rare to see a game where you need to think instead of just killing the enemy.
i dont know what rps is, strategy games maybe?

anyway as i said games today must have some 3d engine to be attractive for players, but sometimes it ruins it...
unfortunately games like SC2 are not very profitable considering the time they need to be worked on... it's more difficult to do a game like SC2 style when it's on 3d.

besides you need the right mind for making such games. not just placing a team and tell them to make a game(or in this case a sequel. SC3)

sorry i ment RTS, it was a typo.

Actually, that's kind of an interesting side point.

Star Control 2 itself, er, inherited a fair amount from preceding games (primarily Starflight 2, and Star Control, which was itself a mix of Archon and Spacewar)  -- and generally, successful games get driven into the ground with imitators and sequels.

Did SC2 really have any notable imitators?  The only games I can think of that ever get named in that context are the Escape Velocity games (which I haven't played)...

What does RTS and RPS stand for? I know what role playing games are - RPG - but I have never heard of RTS or RPS. (I probaly sound like a idiot!)

RTS == real time strategy

RPS == typographical error, as said a few posts back.


Escape Velocity is not particularly like Star Control. The ships all use the same weapons, you never really get to change anything (unless you take over the galaxy as your own personal slave empire), there is no time limit and the universe is passive.

It gets to be a very empty place after a little while. Judging from the promotional material, the more recent versions are better about this.

Thanks for the clear-up D_999.

I heard rumors that a new game is coming out that is RTS - don't know what the name is, but it is suppose to be very good.

Another clarification:  an acronym mentioned earlier was FPS (first person shooter).

MMORPG's (massively multiplayer online RPGs) are still around, and Ultima X looks like it will be good (uses the 3rd person perspective from Ultima IX), but there's no RPG aspect to it, which makes me want to gag.  The people that enjoy MMORPG already are signed up on the games they like, and have characters that they've spent (too much) time on.  I wouldn't put any stock in companies that throw all their resources into a new MMORPG today.

Fallout3 has been cancelled.  :(

Maybe companies looked at the bad sales of SC3 and decided that there was no market for the style of games (instead of realizing that it was a quality issue).

maybe they realised that we probably wouldnt accept anything they make :P

Falcon-Are you talking about perimeter.

Sorry - I don't know what the name of the game is.  :'(

I really miss the graphical adventure games. The last Monkey Island game was pretty pathetic as far as gameplay goes. I had high hopes for Full Throttle 2, but aparently it's been cancelled.   :'(

It has?! When did that happen?

Apparently, a few days ago. Oddly enough, Lucasarts has removed the press release about the cancellation (it shows up on Google, but the link just redirects you to the main Lucasarts page), so I can't tell if they've changed their minds again.

Darn - I was looking at that game to buy - O-well  :'(

anyone know a good RTS that can compare to TA?

Fallout 3 was canceled? Why?
I love those games...I still need to find a place to lay hands on Tactics (and don't tell me EBay, I hate it.)

www.amazon.com ??? Is that what you are looking for?

I could sell you mine for 200,000.99. this price is not final though.
do i hear a bid for 200,001.00 ?

The superior five, all being sequels.

Star Control 2 (adventure)
Master of Orion 2 (strategy)
Fallout 2 (rpg)
Freespace 2 (simulation)
System Shock 2 (fps)

Note that their ancestors were good too, maybe even better.

What else? One Must Fall 2097, Death Rally (you gotta love the musics)...

Nowadays it's all about graphics ... nothing else.

I loved System Shock 2. That was truly one of the great ones.

What was system shock 2 about?

I'm years behind of today's games :) I mean I'm play Baldur's gate 2 at the moment among others - like UQM *grin*

My top games would be (not in any order, can't just pick the number 1)

Might & Magic 6
Monkey Island 1 & 2
Discworld 1
Simon the sorcerer
Heroes of the might and magic 1,2,3 (3 expansion on-going)
baldur's gate 1 + expansion
BG 2 (on-going)
IWD 1 + exp
SC2 (on-going as UQM)
Neverwinter nights (on-going)
Arcanum

See? all RP or adventure games (or both)

I think that at the moment flight simulation-games are pop and quite good ones too (IL-stumovik and such) - at least what I have noticed, though, I my self do not play 'em.

You are on the first human-made faster-than-light vessel and something goes wrong and you have to start saving the world ... well that's *ALMOST* like it. :P

Trust me, the plot is a lot better than you would think from that reference. And I mean *A LOT*.

Is it freeware? - In other words - can I download it free legally from the internet?

Bioslayer: $500,000.00 and no more!
(Can I PayPal that to you? :P)

System Shock was better than its sequal IM(ns)HO.  There was far too much nanite management in SS2, but the game engine of SS2 beats its predecessor.

They're not freeware, but here's the jist:
System Shock started with you (a hacker) tampering with a space-station's AI, removing all ethical constraints so that the head of te station could embezzle funds.  SHODAN, the AI, had other ideas.  While you were in a healing coma from the military-grade cyber implants you recieved for your reward, SHODAN re-examined its purpose - without the ethical constraints.  SHODAN decided that to increase the quality of human life, it should mold humanity in its own image: cyborgs, bezerk robots, and hideous mutations abound on the station by the time you wake up.  It was the first FPS that had a real plot & puzzles.  It also had a trully 3D engine; you could go under things (unlike the psuedo-3D maps that Doom used).

In SS2, the faster than light ship(s) find a planet with life; but first contact isn't kind to the humans.  Nor is it really first contact...  It's still very modern looking graphics, and it's probably being sold for $15 US or less.  I doubt SS is being sold anywhere.  If you do buy SS2, make sure to find a basketball when you're out in the city streets and take it with you all the way to the ship(s);  it's a fun little easter egg.


Ah, almost forgot about One Must Fall.  It's a good example of both A) a fighting game done well on a PC and B) a fighting game with original ideas (even though its an old game; break out your moslo for this one).

no must be in cash.
but really just search yahoo shopping or somthing else.
you can get it for 20 or 10 dollars.

What do you have against ebay - Necro-99??

Sorry for the double-post but, I just bought System shock. (for 1$) I love yard sales!!!  ;D ;D Only problem is that I am having trouble getting it to work on windows XP. The intro movie was pretty cool though.

I suppose you already have VDMSound and ... uuh...

I think it would work ... somehow. But I ain't too sure. Get yourself a trusty old 486 as well. And some bazillion good DOS games. :P

Just got it to work. I had to download 4 things for the video card to work. 3 for the sound to work and 1 for the keyboard input. 3 more for just getting the game to run as well as a upgrade for System shock and a XP patch.

I would have just made a DOS boot disk.  Far less trouble (and less chance of a trojan).
When playing it, remember to compare it to its progenitors but not its progeny.  It looks awfully old by today's standards (of course if you're an UQM fan, you probably don't care).

Tried that - For some reason it did not accept it. Besides, I have friends who have the same software and they have no trouble.  

I guess I play mainly older games as well. Europa Universalis II is occupying my time at the moment, though I should probably get around to finishing BG II. Some other favourites of mine are SMAC, FreeSpace 2, and of course, Nethack.