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The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release => General UQM Discussion => Topic started by: Jinksy on February 09, 2004, 06:08:49 am



Title: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Jinksy on February 09, 2004, 06:08:49 am
... attack the Thraddash? Is it just another way of getting the aqua helix?


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 09, 2004, 06:39:37 am
Spoiler

You need to get the Illwrath to move in order to get/make the Chmmr

Spoiler


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Culture20 on February 09, 2004, 09:03:13 am
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Well, if the first time you get to Procyon is when you free them , you don't need to send the ilwrath anywhere.  Another reason to send the Ilwrath is it's fun.

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Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 09, 2004, 06:22:27 pm
Just as a side note - Jinksy, you might want to get a account with the amount that you're posting in this forum. (just a suggestion though)


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Deep-Jiffa on February 09, 2004, 08:21:43 pm
Really Culture20? Then why I was ambushed by endless fleet of Avengers when I came to Proycon?


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Culture20 on February 09, 2004, 09:30:53 pm
Dunno; I've never had that problem until the second time I visit the planet.  They always tell me "Surprise! We noticed your interest in this planet...set a trap...blah blah blah".  This is PC-SC2 info though, so it might be one of the subtle differences between PC & 3DO.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Lukipela on February 09, 2004, 09:33:52 pm
I concur with DJ. I can't rmember how it was in the original version, but I've definetly been ambushed the first time I ever went to Procyon...


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Spurk on February 09, 2004, 09:56:04 pm
I've been about half-and-half on that. Sometimes I go to Procyon without sending the Ilwrath away and there's an ambush, sometimes not.


Title: Another reason.
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on February 12, 2004, 03:39:41 am
Beside getting the Ilwrath out of the way, there is an out-of-game view to take here, I think. The Ilwrath are one of the few races that still threaten Earth and humanity in general. I mean, distance-wise, the Ilwrath on on Earth's door step. By destroying the spidies, the only remaining threats to Earth are the Quan and the enemy-next-door, VUX.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 12, 2004, 04:04:30 am
Strategic wise yes, but you have to remember, once you free the chmmr even the illwrath are not a threat. Besides a myon can make it across the map in less than a month, so it is not that strategic.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Culture20 on February 12, 2004, 05:10:35 am
And once that slave shield's raised, there's a nice new water-world just waiting for a deep-child...


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 12, 2004, 05:27:59 am
Well, I was think about how much they wantd to get back at the captain.... ;)  (although that would be a great way to do it, I would have done it at the place were he was born...)  :-/


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: umgahbob on February 12, 2004, 10:46:41 pm
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Dunno; I've never had that problem until the second time I visit the planet.  They always tell me "Surprise! We noticed your interest in this planet...set a trap...blah blah blah".  This is PC-SC2 info though, so it might be one of the subtle differences between PC & 3DO.


I think you may be right. I remember once when I was playing the game( my first or second time through actually), that I freed the chmmr without talking to the Ilwrath. I've been trying to do it again, but it looked like there was no way. Someone with the original game installed should play through and try to confirm this.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 12, 2004, 11:59:15 pm
In UQM 0.3 you have to remove the illwrath to free the Chmmr. The original version that I played did not require that.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Culture20 on February 13, 2004, 02:10:15 am
Maybe this was an undocumented (on these forums at least) bug that got fixed.  That may have been the original intent of SC2...


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 13, 2004, 05:22:54 am
Well if that were the case than a lot of things in .3 would have to changed such as the speech and one other thing. ( I forget what it is)  :-/


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Slylendro on February 13, 2004, 01:57:13 pm
So basiclly there's no side-quest? The sequel(if there will be) will have eliminated Ilwrath?
It's always good to have a side-quest, for example the Spathi. You dont have to ally with them for winning the game, you can always get the burvix caster instead so they will not enslave themselves with the shield.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 13, 2004, 05:47:36 pm
I think that they will keep making you get the illwrath away as it is a neat plot point and another puzzle to figure out.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Terminator on February 16, 2004, 10:01:31 am
Actually it is best to leave them alone,  after u befriend the thraddash (by killing them) u can build their ships even after u steal the aqua helix.
If u get the ilwrath to kill them or comm with a thraddash vessel after this u will lose the abilty to build them.at least thats what it was like in EDIT:  yes 0.3.

EDIT:  If ur really curious their is a thrid way to get the helix.  WAIT in 2359 the KOAR-AH will begin to exterminate all races other than the Ur-Quan,  and the Ur-Quan will no longer bother u but then again the Utwig are one of the first races out of the picture, making this method rather useless.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 16, 2004, 05:35:38 pm
I am going to assume that you mean 0.3 Terminator? - unless you have a version I don't know about.  ;)

But yes, I just befriend the Thraddash - Go steal the Relic and am on my merry way out of the system never to talk to them again. Then I can still build their ships.  


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Decker on February 17, 2004, 08:49:05 pm
If you don't send the Ilwrath (in the original SC2) they exterminate the Pkunk.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Terminator on February 17, 2004, 10:19:45 pm
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If you don't send the Ilwrath (in the original SC2) they exterminate the Pkunk.


Never seen that scenario before the yehat usually get them before anyone else,  supposedly there is a way to get the pkunk and the yehat to rejoin,  but I've never done it, or figured it out.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Terminator on February 17, 2004, 11:06:39 pm
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I am going to assume that you mean 0.3 Terminator? - unless you have a version I don't know about.  ;)

But yes, I just befriend the Thraddash - Go steal the Relic and am on my merry way out of the system never to talk to them again. Then I can still build their ships.  


I did mean 0.3,  so much talk about 0.4 got me confused.

EDIT: no heat bout' the double post plz.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on February 17, 2004, 11:16:32 pm
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If you don't send the Ilwrath (in the original SC2) they exterminate the Pkunk.


Actually, I think that if you leave the Ilwrath where they are, the Pkunk move toward Yehat space in the original PC version. Which does cause the Pkunk to be effectively destroyed. I think it's more accidental suicide on the part of the Pkunk, rather than termination by the Ilwrath.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 18, 2004, 12:01:48 am
Yes, The Illwrath can never kill the pkunk - it is just not in the code. Instead the pkunk CAN die from the Yehat.

P.S. I am leaving tonight if anyone is puzzled why I am posting.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Death 999 on February 18, 2004, 01:51:50 am
THE PKUNK DO NOT DIE.

PERIOD. They can under certain common circumstances lose their sphere of influence, but they're not dead.

Well, certain individual pkunk may be dead, but as a whole they're being one with the poot-worm in this dimension, not the afterlife.


Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: FalconMWC on February 18, 2004, 02:02:41 am
But what happens if you complete the game and do not start the yehat revolution. Then you can say they are dead, right?  

I mean after a certain period of time the pkunk cannot survive forever (I am talking about what happens after the game if you don't start the revolution). So they would die by the hands of the yehat queen, correct?




Title: Re: What's the point of getting the Ilwrath to...
Post by: Deep-Jiffa on February 18, 2004, 11:35:32 am
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But what happens if you complete the game and do not start the yehat revolution. Then you can say they are dead, right?  

I mean after a certain period of time the pkunk cannot survive forever (I am talking about what happens after the game if you don't start the revolution). So they would die by the hands of the yehat queen, correct?




No. Since if you start the revolution before or after the Pkunk "disappear" you will get the same results.