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btw: Sorry if I mispelled it.

If they had 'em, they'd use 'em. Anyway, where'd you hear this?

I have read many things about sadam having nukes, but not them... Is the story on the net DJ? I would like to read it.

I agree with Shiver though. It makes sense that if they had them, they would us them.

i dont fear the person who has 10 nukes, i fear the person who just has 1...

~DEFIANT

Well... learn how to read hebrew and I will send you a link! ;)

edit: I will make efforts to translate it...

The English language version of Ha'aretz had it -- it hit the blogosphere a few days ago.  The first interpretation Ha'aretz had was off, and neglected aspects like them claiming they'd had them since 1998.

I think they would have used them by now, but the risk is too high to ignore the possibility.  

I say that USA need to take a decidion: Wait until "after" a disaster or take action now.

I think the "war on terror" is action they are taking right now.

So we are on half break right now?

Well, slow down for a moment. Do you still thing AQ has had nukes for six years?

Halftime... heh... what should we be doing next? Invade Iran?

btw you can change the title of the thread by changing the subject of the first post. The accepted roman-alphabet spelling is 'Al-Qaeda'.

Invade Iran? I think we should go after Australia. Otherwise, they'll be the only ones to survive the nuclear war (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/endofworld.html). But not for long.

Seriously, if Al-Qaeda has had nukes for 6 years, don't you think they would've used them by now? Like, well, when we tore Afghanistan apart? Or during 9/11?

No i think france is in much need of invading. you see shock and aww would work MUCH better on them. instead of victory in weeks i think we could win in one day.

I think that we should invade/disarm North Korea.

I think some of our neighbors need "cleansing".

An Israeli talking about cleansing? I'm not even going to touch that with a 10 foot pole...

And BioSlayerwhilst I understand that it is fashinable for young folks such as yourselves to insult France, do bear in mind that without french help, there might never have been a US. (Or so I believe, does anyone more knowledgable to correct me?) Also, have you ever heard of the french resistance? At the rate you folks are loosing troops in Iraq, I don't even want to imagine how the french would tear you apart...

FalconWMC. Yes. The fact that they have a million men under arms and quite possibly nuclear weapons may have something to do with the fact that we haven't.


EDIT: And to make sure all the kids understand, here's the same thing in AOL language:

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Courtesy of the translator (http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html)

Neat - Translator!! - I like that!  :o :o :o

What I meant was that we should ivade/disarm North Korea, if we had some way of finding out whether or not it would becoem a nuc and massive war. (Which if we invade right now is going to happen.)

All we do is sneak a spy into their nuclear facilities, then rewire the missiles if they have them. When they try to fire, the warhead goes off before the rockets can even fire. If no missiles, we simply contaminate their refining plant with about a pound of Tungsten dropped into their cores, or just tamper with the coolant system. Either way, they nuke themselves into oblivion, the U.S. calls it a "terrible tragedy", and offers assistance to the now beleagured country...at a cost. (We're not Druuge. TELL ME WE'RE NOT DRUUGE!)

You DON"T want to let the nukes go off - Do so and it will affect the USA through radiation and everyone but Iraq (Deslator Necro99) ;) Will be exposed to it. What you want to do is attack and when/if they launch the nukes - you have nukes with no uraium in them - through spies and other good stuff. Or you could do a precision bombing strike against all the silos - You just have to make sure you get them all.

Are we still talking about these supposed AQ nukes that's hiding out with Osama, or are we actually contemplating carpet bombing North Korea here? Either way, not gonna work well.

Not carpet bombing - but bomb of the silo that hold the nukes - that way they would be unable to launch them. (That is what I meant when I said that we had better make sure we get them all!)

I really don't think so. France doesn't have the good old fashioned religious zeal to suicide bomb endlessly. Plus, western countries tend not to get pissed on the same level if they're occupied by another western nation. The French would put up a better official war I'd hope, but then that'd be the end of it. But honestly, if we went to war with France just because of the current mutual pettiness, I would move to Guam.

It is precisely because they are not religious fanatics that the French would be more effective. They weren't all about dying with a blaze of glory and getting into heaven. They were all about causing the maximum harrassment. Find an incoming oil truck and dump 5 kilos of sugar in while no one is looking. Not too much later, they have to reconstruct the engines of several tanks and humvees. Sure, you may say that someone is always looking, but the French would find a way.

They would both go for roadside bombs, sure.

Here is a different angle to think about it. The USA was called "fanatics" too. In the revolutionary war were we fought for independance, the british call us many a bad name such as religious fanatics. We replied with "we are fighting for our country". I am sure that Iraq feels the same way. (Now on the subject of if they are right or not is another mattter to discuss. But they called us that because we were not fighting like a normal army. We were sniping through the brush and they were marching in neat rows. Well, when you think about it, we are experiencing the same thing. Anyway - just another (weird) angle to look at it from.

Well, to quote the Desolator, "Make it glow!" would be the correct term to use on N Korea if we did indeed cause any of their stuff to go critical. The fallout might reach us, but most would probably hit the ocean and mutate the fish in some ill manner. That, and China would be a wasteland too.

Yes, but look at the "accident" that happen in Russia that involed nuclear power. We are dectecting it in the north pole, USA and north of USA. Since the explosion would be so big with china - it would probaly affect almost all of the world.  As a desolator would say, "time for meltdown!"

yea without france america would most likely still be a colony of the UK, but without the US france would be speaking german right now, twice over. but that is history. right now france is full of poeple who hate america with a passion for little or no reason. (Inferority complex)

North korea is a powerkeg ready too blow. Bush is doing the right thing right now. using china to pressure NKorea to calm down.

And yet another fashionable opinion. Have you been to France? Do you know very many french people? Though many french (and I might point out, the rest of the world as well) dislike the US, you'll have to search a bit deeper to find someone who HATES the US.

I'm not adding anything to the discussion, I know, but this is a pet peeve of mine. I see the same thing here, where it's "fashionable" to criticize america for everything because "everyone knows america is powerhungry, stupid, and you can sue everyone LOL LOL WTF OMG!!!" On your side, I see people calling France and Germany cowards because that's "hip". Well, enjoy your freedom fries and hope you feel trendy. But unless you can present a COMPELLING argument as to why the FRENCH HATE the US due to their INFERIORITY complex, then you might want to rest up on the foreigner bashing.

Side note: Also, wer're talking french here. They dislike everyone ;) Don't feel to special.

I know they do but, I don't know why they dislike the US. I mean, they saved the US of A in the revolutionary war.  The USA saved them kinda in the war of 1812 (The British might have attacked the french when they were done with us). Not to mention that the USA helped save them in WWI. Then in WWII, USA saved French, English and many other countries from Hitler - So what do they have to complain about when it comes to the USA?

I'm starting to see the downside of having a offtopic forum in this thread. How do you explain what people don't want to hear. I'm in a hurry now, but I'll be back later with some fun and interesting facts about the US, mighty saviour of the world, and the evil villain France. I realise that I may be wasting my time trying to work this through to you, but I am going to do my best to try. Especially since I feel there might be some hope for Falcon yet.

They don't like U.S. POLICY. The news loves to glomp the unusual people who are so confused as to personally dislike us.



Let's check out some history here...
The war of 1812 was substantially started because the British were boarding ships at sea and claiming Americans as British citizens, which rendered them to be eligible to draft into the British navy.
The Brits really needed the manpower because...
Napoleon was taking over Europe.
1812 was the year he attacked Moscow (he lost, hence the 1812 overture being a Russian celebratory piece, not a French one).
In 1812, France was not in need of rescue. At the time, it was the most powerful empire in history.



in WWI, the Entente would have beaten the allies sooner or later. It just would have resulted in a lot more death without the Americans giving the support they did.

in WWII, our role was much more substantial. But we didn't join the war in 1939, when Germany completely took over France. We waited two more years, while the Luftwaffe was gradually wiping out London. When did we actually join? We waited until we were attacked by the Japanese.



Why don't you try listening to what their complaints are instead of declaring them invalid on the basis of events which took place 55+ years ago?

Here is a challenge -- find five distinct criticisms of the United States from Europeans. Explain them to us. Once you have clearly understood them, THEN you can begin refuting them.

Hold on a sec. I am not proclaiming the USA to be saviour of the world. (at least I don't think I am) Heck - If it weren't for France there would be no USA period. Britain would have crushed the USA in the revolutionary war if France would not have helped out. What I am trying to say is that after all the two countries have been through it is a shame that we are not "better allies". The USA and France have saved each other 3 times total. That is what I call "friendship" on BOTH sides. Now what I want to know is were that "friendship broke off. Because oboviusly the USA and the French are not not he best of terms.


Glad to hear it!


EDIT: Regarding D_999's message. Then why does England like us and the French don't. But the French are more friendly with England than us.

Let's see... is France an ally of the US today? YES.

But... but... they didn't attack Iraq with us! They said we were wrong to do that!

Look, just about everyone outside the U.S. thought attacking Iraq was a bad idea. The French had an obligation AS OUR ALLIES to speak their mind and tell us when they think we're wrong.
If we ignore that advice, even if they are in general our allies, we cannot reasonably expect them to throw troops and lives at a project they consider to be wrong and stupid.

As for the differences between the French perception of America and Britain:
First, it isn't an accident that it's called the 'American-led coalition in Iraq'. If Britain had wanted to go and we didn't, they would not have gone. If we wanted to go and they didn't, we would have gone.
Second, Bush's rhetoric harkens back to his days as a cheerleader. Meanwhile, Blair's rhetoric sounded more like attempts to lay out an argument. If you have not already chosen to agree with W, he is terribly unconvincing. So, the French might be getting the impression that Blair is at least thinking about the problems, while W made his choice long ago.

But once again, I'm not the French; ask them yourself!

Good explanation - I just need to ad one thing.

I am not referring to the invaion of Iraq. That in many peoples minds was a mistake. Consider we are not finding WOMD as well as chemcal and bio weapons which Bush said we would find - I leaves the resons for the invasion iffy. No doubt about that - And you are right, any truthful ally who does not agree with the USA should speak is mind truthfully.  


But I am talking about before the invasion of Iraq - from what read and hear,there was still a lot of friction going on. Why? - I don't think that they disagreed with the US rules/regs  then.  

Well, the debate over whether to invade Iraq WAS before the invasion of Iraq. Before we were talking about it, friction was much less.

Of course, they weren't a big fan of the axis of evil, the with us or against us, and so forth that issued from our head of state. So simplistic and un-refined, so un-French. How quaitly manichaean, except he's in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

So I guess there could have been some hostility. Perhaps it had to do with Kyoto and his brand of globablization, etc.. Once again, I'm not them. And of course they are almost certainly not homogeneous in their reasons.

Americans seem to have a general dis-like of French. Perhaps it's the bad name french canadians give the European French. Maybe it's because of their roll in WWII or maybe just because the French kiss better, have better wine and really cool bread.

And once more D_999 beats me to the point, and far more eloquently than I could have done it as well.

On a side note, does anyone better versed in histroy than me know anything about the Soviets of WW2? I know they recieved help from the US, but I'm not quite sure how much, a signiificant amount or just symbolic?

The reason to bring it up is that the Soviets did turn the course of the war against Germany as well. Stalingrad, and other less known similar battles forced to Germans to fall back.

Of course, without the US we might well have ended up speaking russian instead, so it may well be a moot point.

Also, thanks D_999. I tend to forget every now and then that the US isn't as filled with idiots as our media tries to make it out as. Especially since so many odf the US cirtizens I run into on the Net, or in life come off as popmpous jerks. It's people like you, a_s_b and Nic; calm, rational and intelligent folks that renew my faith in mankind.

...and folks unlike me!  ;) - Well maybe I will be there someday (am am only 15 so I have time)!   :-/


EDIT: Speaking of nic, I think his account got deleted. He is not in the top 15 posters, or by letter either.  

Nic's account didn't get deleted by accident, he deleted it himself. He is gone, and will be sorely missed.

I know you're a kid Falcon, and don't worry, I'm not trying to pass judgement on you. Actually, I rather like you, and I think you have potential for a lot of things. That's why it's good that you're here, where folks like D_999 can give you another point of view, and perhaps explain thigns you are wonderign about, just like he is now.

In my mind, that's one of the more important things with the whole internet experience. To be able to discuss with people you would never otherwise meet. To be given new insights into other places and cultures, into other ways of being and living. That's what it's all about, really.

EDIT: Just wanted to underline this:



As someone who is neither english nor american, I have watched speeches held by both Blair and Bush. And D_999 is defiently right here. Blair holds speeches. He is a great orator, especially seems he makes you feel that he believes everything he says. Wether or not this is true, his arguments come across very well, and can stop even avid peace fundamentalists in their tracks for a while. In a way, he is remniscent of Mannerheim ,the man who led Finalnd during WW2, he comes across with the same force of personality.

Bush on the other hand, rants. He use long, overly complex sentences, and the same charisma just isn't there. His arguments are only for people who believe in him. He does not give a good impression at all.

Yes and not only their words were full of hatred so were their actions.

The rest of Europe was a lot friendlier but I did not get that welcoming feeling expect in the Netherlands and in Switzerland. Also Switzerland had some of the best tap water in Europe. But I still like Colorado’s tap water better. I also like free refills in America. But the spicy salami pizza in Europe was really good. Since pepperoni does not exist there.

Elaborate. What did they do, what did you do, what had you done before that, what had they done before that, and so on. Did they fire weapons at you or try to kill you?

Also, no pepperoni? How is that possible?

It started to rain and we decided to go to a ice cream pallor to seek cover. After we paid for the ice-cream the owner pulled back the overhanging roof thing. Apparently they like our money but hate us. There are other incidents but I don’t feel up to describing them all.


If you ask for pepperoni you get a lot of peppers.

what realy got me was having to pay for road side restrooms. that to me was Bizarre.


YES you hit on the nail!
America is jealous of French bread and we can NEVER forgive them of making bread better then ours!

How many "things" like this happened. Because, maybe the ice cream man was having a bad day and need to "let it out".  And - How can they make a half decent pizza without it! (Pepperoni)

Having a bad day isn't an excuse for that degree of assholeary.

People in America or England do stuff like that! - Though not as many times. Like in USA I was trying to buy something, I got my purchase and headed to the cash register.  I was the only one in the shop besides him. He was looking at his watch and when I started handing hime my purchase (which was 3 things) he started on them. Then his watch beeped and said that the store had closed. So I could not buy them. He then kicked me out of the store.

Point? Well - There are people who just try to annoy you all over the world. Now whether or not there is more in france is debatible.

O - Bioslayer. Maybe he did that because you were a american?

I'm sure that's why he did it.  That means he was really a nice guy, but that Parisian Law dictates you have to be mean to Americans.

wot would u all said if u were black

Possibly something like this (http://www.ghettotranslator.com/translateurl.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fuqm.stack.nl%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D1441.30&submit=Translate+Any+Url+Ta+Ghetto)