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Title: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 19, 2004, 05:38:30 am
Allright guys, now I'm the first one to admit that I, myself attend high school on a regular basis. And, much like anyone who attends high school, I think that most of it is very lame. Now I'm not sure what releives tension more then a nice blow to the guts/jaw. A good suggestion is to start a friendly fight club at your high school. For all the adults that attend this forum, be sure to pick a fight with someone at work, or on the road. Trust me on this one, dudes.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Culture20 on March 19, 2004, 06:05:54 am
That creates tension, it doesn't relieve it.  The fact that afterwards you feel less tense is because you temporarily raised your stress level.  It's like the old story about the guy who wanted a quiet house, so he brought his farm animals inside for a week.  The house was "quiet" ever after.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 19, 2004, 06:08:38 am
Listen man, how much do you know about yourself if you've never been in a fight? That, my friend, is a direct quote from Mr. Tyler Durden himself.

After a fight, everything in your life gets the volume turned down.

This is true. Although I didn't answer your somment with the least intelligence, you just gotta trust me on this one. Go up to your principal/boss and hit him as hard as you can.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Defender on March 19, 2004, 06:24:25 am
violence never solves problems... it only creates them...

the wise will know, its the man that can fight, that doesnt...
not the man who cant fight, but does...

its better to run away, and live to fight another day...

reckless you are, patients you must learn, only then will you be a jedi master.

anyone that can walk away from a fight, truly is the stronger person.

need anymore reasons?

~DEFIANT


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Culture20 on March 19, 2004, 06:25:16 am
I've been in several fights, and trust me, hitting your principal is much different than hitting your boss.  When you hit your principal, you're suspended, but allowed to come back after a year and complete your education.  

When you hit your boss, it's called assault and battery, where you could end up doing time in a cell with Bubba, and your new name is Ben Dover.  Then, once you're out of jail, no one wants to hire you because your criminal record has assault (on an employer no less).  Have fun picking fights with the other hobo's, ShoW/AK47.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 19, 2004, 06:55:14 am
Did I hear the that violence reduces tension? - Well it does!! - In you (and only you) AND temporary. Never ever think that the best way out is fighting.  


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 19, 2004, 07:40:23 am
I will have to take the inti-fight point of view.
Fights hurt people. Hurt=bad. Seems wussy but its a strong moral principle.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Deep-Jiffa on March 19, 2004, 11:00:47 am
And ofcourse your principalexcpet teenagers to lose in a fight and do nothing? Let me tell you that the one who loses in the fight won't sit quietly until he will "revenge".


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: NECRO-99 on March 20, 2004, 12:17:52 am
As a practicioner of the martial arts for over a decade now, I must say that SWAK47 has a point. After leaving a conflict, your stress levels go down somewhat. I, however, am in a defensive style of martial arts. Means we don't start fights, because we're taught better.

I REALLY hope, SWAK47, that you weren't being serious when you said "pick a fight with someone". If you weren't, you've got anger issues or Headhunter/Little Man Syndrome, whichever suits you.

Picking a fight with another person is probably one of the stupidest things you could do. Hell, we as a hunam race have had WARS start over people picking fights.

As for quoting a movie character...Mrrr. I'll stop now before I really get started.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Shiver on March 20, 2004, 03:25:52 am
I've been in a few fights. My advice? Never get in a fight unless someone else is being a royal jackass to you and you're fairly certain you can decimate them. I mean, you'd think no one would be so stupid, but it happens anyway.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Vassago_Umara on March 20, 2004, 04:31:19 am
Yeah, getting in fights when you are young is ok.  It happens all the time, but when you get to be a certain age, namely 18 in US you can go to JAIL.  And having spent some time in jail for fighting at a bar, it definitly creates way more stress than it releives.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on March 20, 2004, 05:28:55 am
Having been in a few fights and having been in martial arts, I can
safely say that yes, fighting does lower stress. At least temporarily,
but it doesn't solve anything long term.
Second, hitting a punching bag or something solid is nearly
as good at lowering stress and it's good exercise.

The idea of fighting (real fighting) for fun at school is rediculous.
People get hurt. There are already enough injuries due to fighting
in the run of the school year.

Next, most people have better, less destructive ways of dealing with
stress or people they don't like. Perhaps we should spend less time watching violent, anti-establishment movies and more time talking things out.

Last, I'd like to part with some wisdom one of my karate instructors gave me:
If someone wants to fight you, walk away.
If he follows you, run.
If he catches you, kick the crap out of him.


Title: Another way to release stress.
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on March 20, 2004, 05:32:43 am
Sorry for the double post, but maybe we should mention some things
(other than fighting) that release stress.

I vote for sex. Why?
Generally fewer people get injured.
It's easier to have safe sex than a safe fight.
You're happy and relaxed later.
It's nice to do with someone you like, rather than someone you don't/
You can have sex with your boss and (usually) not get arrested.

So, make love, not war.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 20, 2004, 05:56:12 am
... and peace out 8)


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: shofixti with ak-47 on March 20, 2004, 11:03:04 am
allright, allright, fellas, take it easy. Look, I wasn't being entirely serious about the topic anyway.  I'm not actually suggesting that you go up to your boss or principal and start a fight. It was merely an attempt, I suppose, at a witty response to culture20. However, at school, not at work, or within a public vicinity fighting strangers,  we do have certain fight clubs which in no way resemble actual fighting. We have rules (no hitting in the face/crotch). That, may I add, is a good way to releive stress. I felt better then I have in a while after getting a good pummeling in the ribs from one of my friends. Yes, again, they can be friendly. Just because your punching someone as hard as you can, does not mean necessarily tha you have anything against him or her.

I guess the only reason I started this thread was because I saw the movie Fight Club the previous night. Now before you go insulting my intelligence by saying that I like to imitate fast action movies, you're wrong. I just think there are tons of pointless threads on this forum. Why not make try to make one funny? eh?

Listen culture20, take a joke man, who in their right mind would actually suggest hitting their boss for no reason?

Just relax fellas. But, this I'm not kidding about. Fighting to a certain degree relieves stress in good ways. At least for me. It doesn't feel as though I've released any bottled-up anger(Kidding about that too, I'm pretty easy-going) but it feels more like a work-out. Just avoid hits the the face and nether regions.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: meep-eep on March 20, 2004, 11:04:23 am
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If someone wants to fight you, walk away.

The same goes for replying to trolls.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: shofixti with Ak-47 on March 20, 2004, 11:14:35 am
seriously, what is everyone's problem? Is what I said that awful or what?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Deep-Jiffa on March 20, 2004, 11:22:58 am
We just don't like you.

But seriously, people don't like violent.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 20, 2004, 03:58:58 pm
Hmmm... fight clubs eh? Well, before you condemn the idea, keep in mind that different people get off on different things. If you manage to keep a good clean fight, avoiding any seruious injurys and aiming more for the wrestling approach than the boxing approach, this idea is kind of viable.

However, there are a few quirks that need to be straightened out before you can actually do this. First off, anyone participating in such an event should have had some sort of training, to ensure they know how to hit and where to hit. Also, these people really need to be able to stay on top of their emotions, anyone going blind with rage can do serious damage to an unprepared opponent. Too kep it all in good fun and as a workout, you really need people who jhave known eachother for a long time and can have a friendly tussle, not just people who you vaguely know from your school.

Also, these kind of things are only fit for the select few who actually enjoy violence of this sort, and only fit for themunder controlled circumstances that may not be easily achieved in a high school or such.

That's why there are any amount of martial arts you can join. You get the fighting practice and technique under much better cirumstances. If you and your friends sign up for krarte or some such, it might be much more effective than simple brawling. And no matter how good and friendly two opponents are, there is always a risk when people fight. It is never completely safe, and as such you have to ask yourself wether it's really worth it. Do you really need to let you aggressions out that bad?

Of course as a side point, even people who enjoy fighting may find other ways to relieve their stress. Are you sure that such fight clubs are even necessary? As mentioned earlier, you might join some controlled version of this, or as Zeep-Eep so brilliantly pointed out, start a sex club. Long distance running relaxes many people, and needelwork works for others. Just try and find your "thing".

In a irrelevant conclusion, regardless of how pointless you may feel some of our topics is, pelase realise that during their time, each and every one of them (with a few notable exceptions) served some sort of purpose. The point is, we don't make topic for the abject purpose of being pointless and fun. We make points, and the fun just turns up. Trying to force a funny thread is like being the guy who chugs a bottle of tequila to become funnier. The results are often messy, and seldom too pleasing.

However, this thread too serves a purpose, though I fear it is soon coming to an end. Unless you can present some viable arguments for a fightclub other than stressrelease than could clearly be achieved in a different way of course.

Oh yeah, and for tose of you who noticed, I'm back for a while.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: shofixti with ak-47 on March 20, 2004, 10:52:56 pm
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We just don't like you.

But seriously, people don't like violent.


Sigh....Deep Jiffa, just think about how many people love violent action movies. If by people, you mean people on this forum, I still don't understand what everyone's problem is. And honestly, did what I say offend you that deeply? If you're that upset about what I said, you really need to get out more. Just try it, if you don't like violent, then you could understand wrestling with someone. Were you ever on a wrestling team, Deep Jiffa?

This is the "starbase cafe". Lighten up, people.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: shofixti with ak-47 on March 20, 2004, 10:59:04 pm
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Also, these kind of things are only fit for the select few who actually enjoy violence of this sort, and only fit for themunder controlled circumstances that may not be easily achieved in a high school or such. .


You all act like I'm some sort of "troll" by what I said. It's not like I'm suggesting you beat someone till their bloody in the face(sorry if that was again TOO VIOLENT). Some of you can at least slightly relate to what I said(You're in martial arts). What I'm suggesting is again a FRIENDLY environment. Much like kickboxing or sparring in martial arts. Anyone who has done either of those can relate to what I'm saying.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 20, 2004, 11:01:24 pm
I have no problem with combat sports, they just don't releive my stress.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on March 21, 2004, 01:07:40 am
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You all act like I'm some sort of "troll" by what I said. It's not like I'm suggesting you beat someone till their bloody in the face(sorry if that was again TOO VIOLENT). Some of you can at least slightly relate to what I said(You're in martial arts). What I'm suggesting is again a FRIENDLY environment. Much like kickboxing or sparring in martial arts. Anyone who has done either of those can relate to what I'm saying.


The is a big difference between fighting as a sport and going out to pick
a fight with your boss or some random person on the street. There is
also a big difference in safety between a "fight club" (as seen in the movie)
and, say, boxing.
With the proper supervision, equipment and training, fighting can be a great
release of stress and good exercise. But that's not what you suggested. You suggested a fight club without equipment, without training and with
unsuspecting people.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 21, 2004, 02:05:08 am
...which as pointed out, is dangerous and unlawful.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 21, 2004, 03:25:46 pm
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You all act like I'm some sort of "troll" by what I said. It's not like I'm suggesting you beat someone till their bloody in the face(sorry if that was again TOO VIOLENT). Some of you can at least slightly relate to what I said(You're in martial arts). What I'm suggesting is again a FRIENDLY environment. Much like kickboxing or sparring in martial arts. Anyone who has done either of those can relate to what I'm saying.


Actually, only one persion has mentioned trolls so far, you seem to be a tad on the sensitive side my friend. Buckle up, and focus on the discussion, not irate name calling. Also, I've read through the entire discussion and whiile some of our younger memebrs do get emotional at times, noone has actually been nasty, so I'd advise you to grow thicker skin if this really touches you that badly. Kepp in mind, form our point of view this is all in friendly fun. A verbal Fight Club, if you like.

Aslo, I'm a bit confused. You're suggesting this in a friendly enviroment, such as kickboxing and sparring. Why not just go kickbaox and spar then? Surely that is a more efficent thing, as it requires less organizational skills on your side. It also has the added bonus of you not have to personally check every participants skill level in order to ensure that they all know how to handle themselves well enough not to seriously injure someone else in the heat of the moment. That is assuming you're qualified to make that kind of check. A dojo master or suchlike does that for a living, and thus it ought to be far safer to participate in a organized version of your event.

Another worthwhile point to consider is security. Whilst training somewhere under organized forms, it is very unlikely that any sort of larger brawl or ruckus will ensure, and even if it did there are presumably older students there to keep the hotheads in line. This is something that is rather hard to achieve if you stage your events in the basement of some high school, with just a bunch of kids.

So in conluision, why not just join some sort of kickboxing/martial art? What makes this Fight Club so different that you feel it would be the superior alternative?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 10:56:42 pm
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Aslo, I'm a bit confused. You're suggesting this in a friendly enviroment, such as kickboxing and sparring. Why not just go kickbaox and spar then? Surely that is a more efficent thing, as it requires less organizational skills on your side. It also has the added bonus of you not have to personally check every participants skill level in order to ensure that they all know how to handle themselves well enough not to seriously injure someone else in the heat of the moment. That is assuming you're qualified to make that kind of check. A dojo master or suchlike does that for a living, and thus it ought to be far safer to participate in a organized version of your event.


Given kickboxing and sparring are more efficient, they're not necessarily more easy to pull off. Sure, you could join a karate class, or sign up for kickboxing, but there's no reason why you should have to, if again, the fights are friendly. Beleive me, there is a way to make this idea work. It would seem like you could injure someone in the heat of the moment, but that's really not the case here. I think I've failed to mention that another rule of this "club" I'm in is that there is no kicking or using the legs at any time. I would agree that I didn't clarify the rules of what I'm trying to suggest. But, if you're really interested, Lukipela, you have to take a few things into consideration. For instance, neither fighter wants to be seriously injured, so they're not going to risk getting hit more then they have to. This is probably the main reason why a fight club in which I'm describing has nothing to do with the movie. It's almost the thrill of being hit hard when you're not expecting it, but, using the fists won't provide any fighter with serious injury. Unless, of course, a fighter gets hit directly in the sternum, which is highly improbable(usually have sternum guarded with fists anyway, and hits usually arent that close). So, basically you're looking at a bruise in the arm or chest, at worse.


And Zeep-Eeep, yes, I realize there is a huge difference between boxing and actual fighting. Which is why I tried to say the most of what I said was joking. I never meant to suggest that you hit someone ruthlessly for any reason. Training isn't needed in the type of thing I'm talking about. There really isn't any chance of anything going wrong. Yes, that sounds a little strange when people are taking swings at each other. But with guidlines like we've set up, there's no reason to worry.

I suppose I should clarify whether I'm being sarcastic or not before I post anything from now on.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:00:47 pm
In my mind there are many other (and better) ways to get rid of Stress.

Personally I am a Brown belt, so I do not tolerate someone punching me in a fight - Playful jab and sparring yes, but not a fist fight. I first try to get out of there and if I am cornered then......  


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:10:14 pm
You have to remember that there is no hostility in this fight at all. You can quit at any time and there is no pressure either way. It's not like being mugged. This is a purely friendly fight. As hard as that is to imagine. But if you dont like that kind of thing, then fine. I'm just trying to tell you, you get the same feeling as sparring or boxing.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:11:52 pm
Since when is throwing a full power punch not hostility? - Even sparring is hostility in a certain way.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 21, 2004, 11:15:03 pm
I don't think hes talking about full power punches.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 21, 2004, 11:16:46 pm
I think I'll have to side with Falcon here. Even a friendly wrestling match, or using a sandbag to box brings out a certain amount of aggression, you are trying to win after all.

And there is never anythign such as "no chance of anything going wrong" Even if one of your untrained brawlers doesn't accidentally miss with his punch, his opponent may be sidestepping, dodgin or tripping when the punch is thrown, resulting in a critical hit. And even hits to the chest can be dangerous, hit someone when they're off balance, and you might just send them flying. This may cause them to bang their head in the floor when they go down, which in a unlucky situation could result in a concussion.

Also, if you get the same feeling as sparrign and boxing, why not go with that. I still think that is easier, as it demands less organization from you yourself, and pertains fewer risks.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:20:02 pm
OK - Not full power, but in sparring, you learn to control how much power and when to stop the fist.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:26:45 pm
Agreed. By hostility I meant wanting to harm your opponent for any reason other than a friendly fight. You're right, there are plenty of possibilities of disaster, but in my mind the sme goes with any full contact sport.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 21, 2004, 11:26:57 pm
Oh yes. That is a very important skill. You also learn where to stop your fist for your own safety. Without much training punching can damage your elbow.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:29:21 pm
The bottom line is, I'm willing to take the risks because I think it's fun and stress releiving. You don't have to agree with me.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:33:27 pm
Then why did you post it? To see who agrees with you?

Chrispy - Yeah, it si call hyper extension, you should never extend your are more then 95% of the way in a punch.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 21, 2004, 11:35:22 pm
Yes, but I thought we were discussing pros and cons of said idea. In that case "I'm willing to take the risks" isn't really a valid argument... And how can you be sure all your opponents know how to spar? That noone overextends thermselves? Seems you need a trainer...


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:37:37 pm
That's exactly why I posted it. I tried to explain that there's no reason for trainers and other precautionary things for what we're doing. I was kidding mainly at first, but it doesn't matter, no one seems to be agreeing. I think we've talked it to death. I've made my point.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:37:58 pm
I have seen many a good sparrer put out for several weeks because of a "hotshot" young sparrer.


(Of which I am happy to say I am not!) Unlike other things such me posting like ICQ.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 21, 2004, 11:40:05 pm
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Yes, but I thought we were discussing pros and cons of said idea. In that case "I'm willing to take the risks" isn't really a valid argument... And how can you be sure all your opponents know how to spar? That noone overextends thermselves? Seems you need a trainer...


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That's exactly why I posted it. I tried to explain that there's no reason for trainers and other precautionary things for what we're doing. I was kidding mainly at first, but it doesn't matter, no one seems to be agreeing. I think we've talked it to death. I've made my point.


I fail to see the point made, nor the logical connection. Please elaborate.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:42:44 pm
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Then why did you post it? To see who agrees with you?
.


Maybe he was referring to that luki?

Never quoted myself before..... Interesting...


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:44:52 pm
Allright, Lukipela, I'm not going to explain this again,(the rules of this 'club'). The point I was trying to make is that there's no need for trainers and other precautions because the risk isn't high enough for that. It's hard to explain without you actually witnessing one of these fights, but the way we fight isn't to beat the other up. I'd say 99% of the hits are in the arms. The other is in the chest or back. We take care not to get hit in the sternum, or hit each other hard enough to do any real damage. We're all friends here. We're not actually trying to knock each other out. My other point is that it's fun and stress releiving, if again it's done in the right way.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 21, 2004, 11:47:29 pm
Well if you all enjoy it thats fine. I wouldnt say that there is no use for trainers and other precautions. Many people get hurt in situations such as yours.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:47:45 pm
*Coughs

Risk not high enough? I have heard that before, you guys are punching each other, how high does it need to get? You get hit in a certain part in the body it will stay with you for the rest of your life.

EDIT: Sure, it will be a accident, but that does not help the person that just got a kidney taken out. (Yes, if punched lightly in the right spot in can disable a kidney.)


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:51:59 pm
Falcon, the same goes for when you're sparring or boxing with trainers. When you're playing any contact sport for that matter.

Lukipela, there is no reason for aggression, because there really is no winner. One person gives up when they've had enough and whoever doesn't give up doesn't receive any glory. WE're all doing this for the same reason.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 21, 2004, 11:56:31 pm
Sure, but there are many differences.

A: You wear padding.
B: You have LOTS of practice
C: You learn more about the human body then you would ever care to know. (Do you know were all the arteries are and how to treat a hit to the ribs?)

All these bring down the risk, not to mention the fact that we have a trainer near by incase something happens. But to be sure, yes there is a risk. (Of course when you think about it there is a risk when getting out of the bathtub.)


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 21, 2004, 11:58:11 pm
It really doesn't. How can it bring down the risk if all we're doing pretty much is hitting each other in the arms. Just because you have pads on, essentially you're doing the same types of things. If anything, in some sports the risk is much greater. Take football for instance.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 22, 2004, 12:00:09 am
So your fights are rather long then? i mean, if you punch lightly enough to be sure there is no damage (which isn't very hard), and only in arms and chest area, you could probably go on for hours, or until one person is bored. Doesn't sound stress relieving to me, but each to their own I suppose. Oh, excellent points about kidney and ribs, you don't really need to hit that hard to make permanent damage, humans aren't as though as we'd like to believe. Also, I'm still curious as to how you recruit people for this fight club of yours. And how you can ensure that a new recruit wont accidentally break rules in his first few fights.

EDIT: Also, I'm unsure if "hitting eachother in the arms" qualifies as very much fighting at all....


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 22, 2004, 12:01:30 am
We are not talking about football

What about that 10% that got through the arms?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 22, 2004, 12:05:12 am
Your body isnt invulnearable. It your frequently being hit you can do some serious damage.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:07:09 am
No, the fights are not long, because along with hitting each other there's a great deal of running and dodging. We're punching hard enough to make bruises, which hurts enough.

Falcon, the way I see it, there are many other things which take much higher risks then what we're doing. Ever play paintball? I mentioned football because of the amount of bruises and injuries you get comparitively when you play.

Falcon and Lukipela, would you ever play a game of painball? Honestly. And why do people play paintlball?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 22, 2004, 12:09:45 am
No - I have never played paintball. Either way, as long as you were the proper gear you should be fine. As appose to fighting, if you have enough force to bruise a arm, you have enough force to break a:
Wrist,
Arm,
Elbow,
Rib,
Kidney,
Appendix,
Liver,

and others.  



Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 22, 2004, 12:10:10 am
The appeal of playing paintball is the idea of shooting people without killing them. The bruises are a bad side of painball not a good one.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:12:12 am
That doesn't matter though, chrispy, I see fighting the same asplaying paintball, as far as risks are concerned.

Falcon, it doesn't matter. Just answer me this. would you condone playing football?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 22, 2004, 12:14:02 am
Depending on how hard you bruise, that can still cause damage to some more sensitive spots on your body. And as I stated earlier, accidents do happen, and are more likely to do so if you're running and dodging a lot, this means a punch aimed at the ribs may well hit the face of someone, or the groin for that matter, depending on the skill of the combatants. Unsupervised you can still getyourself into trouble.

Also, I notice a slight hesitation on your part as to reply to my inquiry on how you recruit people to this fight club of yours, and how you supervise them until you can be sure they meet the standards you need.

As for paintball.. Well, I've never played, even though I've been present at some events. As long as you don't fire upon eachother from too close up, and wear protective clothing you'll be fine. But then again, yuo seldom hear anyone claiming paintball to be completely safe, the odd ball can still do horrific damage if it strays. The proper precautions can minimize the risk (as a trainer, or a martial arts club would do in your case), but asure, the risk never completely vanishes.

As to why they play it. Why do you hit your friends for fun, albeit in a friendly fashion? Different strokes for different folks.

EDIT: Dammit with the one line answers, I'm lagging behind here because I try to put some thought into my replies. Also, being a smug european I play soccer, not that brutish thing you call football.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 22, 2004, 12:14:26 am
Not at all!!!! - I just would not play it if I did not feel comfortable in the gear. That is my mind - I think that if you fell comfortable with the risk then by all means go and have a great time!  


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:17:38 am
It wasn't hesitation, it's hard to keep arguing with 4 people at once. I'd be glad to tell you that we only invite close friends of ours so the fights don't get out of hand. There really isnt a recruiting process, they just fight if they want to, and give up if they need to. No banning, no pressure.

Exactly, but there are forms of paintball which you're failing to address which people play all the time, such as speedball(unlimited range). In which the risks of getting hurt are so much greater then what we're doing.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 22, 2004, 12:18:53 am
repetition can do serious damage.
Your all talking about football, but tenis (yes tenis) is very dangerous.
The repetative motion causes permanent damage. Not brocken bones, but worn joints.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 22, 2004, 12:18:54 am
I simple would not play it. If you read my post again than you will understand. As long as YOU are comfortable with it than by all means go!


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:19:49 am
well, good falcon. Then we're in agreement. Because even with pads, the risk of getting hurt in football, as opposed to the fight club i'm in as much greater. agreed? I mean look at the yearly injuries of football players. I think theres some kind of chart somewhere.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 22, 2004, 12:21:33 am
Depends, you are comparing apples and oranges. There are MANY people that play football as oppose to not so many people that do what you do. Tough to compare....


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 22, 2004, 12:30:32 am
I thought of a really obvious way to relieve stress in a fun and safe environment. Play Starcontrol! yeah!


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 22, 2004, 12:31:30 am
That's not really a valid arguement Falcon, if many people jumped off cliffs, that still wouldn't make it a bright idea.

I never got American Football myself, it seems a bit brutish. Although don't they have some sort of medical personnel present most of the time? Yoyr fight club wouldn't have a medic.

A question I just thoguht of, which in no way is meant to insult. How old are you AK? I'm just curious to what age group this fight club would be taking place in (keep in mind I know very little of the US school system, so high school tells me nothing).

Also, noone is saying you're WRONG. We're just saying that in our OPINIONS there are more practical, and safer ways to achieve your goals. If someone came in here and argued that american football is completely safe, he'd get the exact same response.

And still nothing on recruitment...


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:33:29 am
We recruit only our friends, just to keep the environment less  aggressive, I suppose. I'm 16


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 22, 2004, 12:37:45 am
actually, there really is no recruiting process, you fight if you want to, and you can leave at any time. Which explains the quotations around 'club'


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on March 22, 2004, 02:02:03 am
Okay, personlly, I think that dancing around and punching each other in the chest sounds kinda silly. However, to each their own. I mean, if everyone is happy, there of their own will and no one is getting (seriously) hurt, then it sounds good. No different than, say, a rough game of tag.
Chances are, these kids aren't going to hurt each other any more than if they were playing basketball or punching a bag.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Vassago_Umara on March 25, 2004, 04:26:36 am
There are some big 16 year old kids in the world...


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 25, 2004, 04:28:41 am
Good point, another reason not to do in-school-fights is because, you get out into the real world, get bigger muscles and either your or your oppenent will end up on the ground for a while.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on March 25, 2004, 05:02:12 pm
There was an interesting example of this just yesterday. One local 12 year old hit and managed to "accidently" knock out his friend. Seemed that the
mock fight got out of hand.

We are God's forgotten children.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: shofixti with an ak-47 on March 25, 2004, 10:12:11 pm
All good points except for the 12 year old boy story. Probably a much different situation then I'm used to. Controlled and pressure-less. You're all right, I really should exercise more caution, but I don't really care. "Different strokes".

May seem like an awful comeback, but I think I've explained enough.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 25, 2004, 10:45:02 pm
Depends.....  

If you are trying to validate your point than, no, you have not made enough points to convince me.  That 12 year old was probaly think the same thing you are only the punch just happened to hit the right place. As far as I am concerned it is just a matter of time.....  :-/


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Vassago_Umara on March 26, 2004, 01:31:19 am
Speaking of fist fighting.  Which alien race do you think would be the best in hand to hand combat?  I think the thraddash would be the toughest, although fighting an Ilwrath would be pretty damn scary.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: ShofixtiWithAK-47 on March 26, 2004, 03:11:34 am
Allright, I see your point, and no, I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

I sure wouldn't want to fight an ur-quan. All those legs with all those talons. Thraddash and Illwrath are tough, but I don't think anyone wants to mess with an Kzer-Za or Kohr-Ah.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 26, 2004, 03:38:53 am
Fighting a chenjesu would suck. My poor knuckles


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 26, 2004, 06:42:05 am
What about a Chmmr? Or mrmrrmmm?


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Chrispy on March 27, 2004, 03:27:31 am
Or VUX. Not cus they are tough, but cus you have to touch them. ewwww.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: FalconMWC on March 27, 2004, 03:34:41 am
No - As soon as they see you they would keep throwing up - Make a fight easy, 8) a clean-up hard.  :(


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: NECRO-99 on March 31, 2004, 05:21:05 am
Personally, I'd have to get into a fracas with a Yehat or a Shofixti. They're both trained from birth to be fantastic warriors, one can fly and has talons, whereas the other can't fly but is near-feral anyway. All those claws rending your flesh...mediiiiiic!!!


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: brawler on November 03, 2005, 03:35:05 pm
I dont see what the big deal is me and a couple of my buddies have a small fight club and its fun of course we wear gloves but in my opinion it relives stress


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lucky on November 03, 2005, 05:34:00 pm
Apparently so does reviving extremely dead topics.

So you hit eachother. Good for you. If you read through the thread, you'll find that the majority of participants believes that to be a unhealthy thing, as you're gonna get hurt sooner or later.  Unless you have some stunning comeback to this, reviving it to say "i think it's good to hit people" really is rather pointless.

If you want light bruising, play a contact sport.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on November 04, 2005, 02:23:37 pm
Many adults hit each other in controlled environments. Take
an martial art, boxing, westling, etc. I think where it
is no longer a "good thing" is when it's less controlled.
For example, fighting on hard floors with hard contact until
someone is knocked out. I suppose rules and
extremes are the seperation between "sport" and
"fight club".


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Deus Siddis on November 05, 2005, 04:39:53 am
If you want to relieve stress, fight to the death. It will end all of your worries, I promise.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on November 05, 2005, 01:37:37 pm
Unless you *win* in which casr you've got a whole
new set of problems.


Title: Cowardice Will Not Be Tolerated
Post by: Deus Siddis on November 06, 2005, 01:25:24 am
Only if you hold the match on an overly regulated land. Just fight it out on a boat, Antarctica, or a 3rd world nation someplace. Make sure you and your opponent both sign away each others assets to the other with a right of survivorship. That way, whoever wins will have something for his troubles and travel expenses.

To the Victor goes the Spoils!


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Morgan Moulton on March 06, 2006, 10:14:29 pm
violence never solves problems... it only creates them...

the wise will know, its the man that can fight, that doesnt...
not the man who cant fight, but does...

its better to run away, and live to fight another day...

reckless you are, patients you must learn, only then will you be a jedi master.

anyone that can walk away from a fight, truly is the stronger person.

need anymore reasons?
 
Dude that was the gayest thing i have ever heard and the funny thing is you can tell you got that off of star wars and violence does too slove alot like for instence if someone is talking shit and you beat thier ass then they probaly arent going to talk shit to you anymore!!! and i know that for fact ive done it!!!!!
~DEFIANT


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: VOiD on March 06, 2006, 11:23:33 pm
Dude that was the gayest thing i have ever heard and the funny thing is you can tell you got that off of star wars and violence does too slove alot like for instence if someone is talking shit and you beat thier ass then they probaly arent going to talk shit to you anymore!!! and i know that for fact ive done it!!!!!

Wow. I truly feel enlightened now. omg dewdz iam teh cewlest cuz i hit ppl!!!!!11

Seriously, why bring up this topic again? It wasn't terribly interesting to begin with.


Title: Re: In-School fight clubs
Post by: Lukipela on March 07, 2006, 07:38:55 am
And learn to use quote tags properly, kthxbye.