The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

So far I've finished the legal crap, formalities, controls, a mention of this site, verbose instructions on what to do in the Solar system at the start followed by a quick summary. My intent is for the guide in its entirity to lead the reader by the nose through the whole game so a person following it--despite having never played the game before--will win their first try. I'm not sure if I'll finish it, but it is kinda fun to write this up. I'm asking for a critique of what I've written so far, preferably from someone who knows their stuff such as D999 or Lukipela.

The main reason not to write this is that there are already several guides floating around. My argument for making it anyway is that mine hopes to be far more extensive. I'll check back here tomorrow.

you should set up a copy at gamefaqs.com, once you get a rough draft worked out. just a thought.

~DEFIANT

If you feel you can contribute something different, then by all means.  I'm sure you'll find a lot of people who know their stuff that can say something (like me, I'm going on 10 years of playing SC2).  Whenever you get something, just post it for comment - I'm sure you'll get some.

Yeah, just post updates of what you've written, and we will critique it. (At least, i will.)
And this is a great idea.

Make sure you include some things like the Metachron, the Organon 'bug' and some other useful tidbits.

Why don't you just post what you have so more people can help?

I'd suggest reviewing the SC2 Role Playing Resource Guide, located here: http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/classicgaming/starcontrol/sc2/resource.pdf

Of course, if you already have, then feel free to ignore me.

Sounds good, a concise guide might come in handy for newcomers. Let me know when you have something to look at.

Writing a walkthrough is a good idea, although I wouldn't make it linear, seeing as though this is a nonlinear game. People will probably get the most use out of it if they can easily look up their current quest and see what it takes to complete it. I'd organize each quest somewhat like this:

Quest Name: A name for the quest here, for example Make the Spathi Join The Alliance
Required Quests: A list of earlier quests required to complete this particular one. For example, in order to use the Sun Device on the Chmmr, you must have completed the Destroy the Ilwrath quest.
Quest Reward: If the quest gives you a reward, either during its completion, or at the end, list it here. For example, making the Spathi join the Alliance gives you the ability to build Spathi ships at the starbase.
Walkthrough: The particulars of how to complete this quest.

Just a suggestion, at least. Take it however you want. :)

Negatory. If I did that, I wouldn't be the author so much as one of 20 people who contributed. If I decide to drop the project, I'll pass what I have on to someone else. In its final stage people can make contributions of anything I miss.

Those of you who are wondering, yes, I am handing over what I've got to Lukipela for inspection in a sec.

I really do like the idea of the table suggested by TiLT.

Thats pretty neat.
Another idea i have would be an explosion chart. With Sa-Matra Destruction in the middle, and a branch going to say, The Ultron, or Dynarri. and then it lists "Rosy Sphere" under Ultron, with details on getting a mycon egg fragment, or alternatively, just sell 100 crew.

Sounds like a good idea. I'm sure a guide + faqs will make
a lot of newbies happy.

Sounds good. The thing SC2 is missing is a complete faq/guide/walkthrough/spoiler with pretty much everything in it. These are the things I think are good to be gathered in a single, comprehensive document:
- the walkthrough of the main plot
- the walkthrough of all 'side quests' not required to finish the plot
- the locations of every homeworld, rainbow world and item
- a comprehensive list of the richest mineral/bio star systems
- detailed info on all different ways to complete a certain task (ie, all the possible ways to get the Rosy Sphere from Druuge, etc)
- in-depth info and timeline of the events happening in the galaxy (Kohr-Ah victory, Utwig Supox war against the Kohr-Ah, Pkunk attempts to merge with the Yehat, etc)
- a walkthrough-for-dummies to compile the source for at least Win32 and Linux

- all the Star Control II fact threads that meep-eep has posted:  

• http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1037334184;start=0#0
  
• http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1063591198;start=0#0
  
• http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1072756231;start=0#0
  
• http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Gendiscuss;action=display;num=1083928004;start=0#0
  

And maybe some other tidbits of info gathered from this forum.

Can we maliciously, premediatively, evilly, lead unsuspecting innocent newbies into looking for the Cloaking Device? {Its next to the blue star...you know the one....with planets around it...)
Pleeease? =p

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The Pages of Now and Forever have had several walkthroughs for the game available for many years now.  I'd posit that your effort, while well-intentioned, is redundant.

Links to everything are here (http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/files/sc2.shtml).

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Of course you can find all the necessary information by searching through the site, the web and this forum, but I'd like to see a single document with everything necessary gathered together. There are several walkthroughs at that site but none of them is 100% complete. Not to mention all those little undocumented secrets that the guys developing the Ur-Quan Masters have revealed. They're not written in anywhere else but this forum. All that info gathered into one - that's what this is all about.

Fair enough.  I would then suggest that you make sure to include Chad's collection of random SC2 facts here (http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/files/sc2.shtml) as well.

There was another Star Control II Fact, #2. It was lost at the time when the board was still at SourceForge, and all data writable from a cgi had to be world-writable and some joker deleted all world-writable files on the SF server.
Chad had made a copy of some interesting threads (including the aforementioned one) though. You can find it here (http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/history/sc2_facts_uqm.shtml).

I think it would be better to do this in wiki form, so that it isn't dependent on a single person, and it can be done in a hyperlinked format.

I don't think wikipedia.org is meant for things like walkthroughs, but I could put up a wiki server on uqm.stack.nl (where this board is too) if people are interested. It could go far further than just a walkthrough.

Alright, I have a different idea. I will work on a newbie friendly walkthrough and post it when it's done. Everything else such as the listed planet locations and the melee guide can be up to the SC2 community. When the whole thing is complete, I'll put a copy of it on GameFAQs but list all the people who made contributions with the other stuff (or I could just link to it if you host it on a site).

I haven't worked on it at all because I'm waiting for Lukipela to comment, but I did copy most of the trivia along with who said what (meep-eep, PhracturedBlue, and Fred Ford). A few parts such as the Orz Marine code has been paraphrased.

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This is NOT COOL. Who killed Lukipela?

Sent you a message, sorry bout the delay, ill timed as it is. 16 hours work a day doesn't give much spare time though.

Maybe he swallowed an acid bubble?

I think that a search engine, similar to the star one on the PONAF boards, is a good idea, but emcompass it to include all of the facts.

"Query: Mycon Organon

In the PC version, the Mycon introduce themselves at Beta Brahe with this dialogue:

Quote:This is a special place
filled with Juffo-Wup.
But it is not the source.
Juffo-Wup springs forth from 629.1, 220.8.
We must not allow this place to be soiled by the Non.

...and when you attempt to tell the Beta Brahe fleet about Organon, they respond:

Quote:We do not interpret the will of Juffo-Wup.
Only the source is so empowered.
Until instructed otherwise, Juffo-Wup requires that we remain here.  

Go seek the Source of Juffo-Wup to send the Mycon to Organon.


Thoughts?

This is ridiculous. A week's been wasted in a process I would've expected to take less than a day. I think after I get some input, I'm definitely working without guidance on this walkthrough.

Suit Yourself, just let me or any one else who posts obsessively know when you want some input. I would love to help, and I'm sure others are keen to get into it too.

Good luck

Sander,

See, I did ask you to. You're all over the boards at the moment so it seemed like a good idea, but it seems like you didn't get my message or something. The thing that says "Hey, Sander, you have ? messages" is where you click to check that.

Wow, i feel stupid, I didn't even know this board HAD PMs, lol, ill reply back ASAP, sorry.

UPDATE: I just sent back my suggestions on the piece that Shiver sent me, and i can say everything is going really well. Right now, I would say that this Walkthrough will be the best SC2 walkthrough out there. And not just because i helped a little with it =p

Keep it up, Shiver!