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My least favorite ship (and the only one I didn't like) : the Spathi.  

Those things always turned the fight into a "follow me and commit suicide because you know there's nothing you can do about my back-missiles" situation.  That or you chased them around until the other guy got so annoyed with it he commited suicide.  Either way, I *really* hated seeing my friends pick those.

But hey - still love ya, TFB !

Dude, the Eluder rocks, hands down.  Flying against the computer (dumb enough to chase) you find yourself using the homing torpedoes a lot but a decent human player is generally good enough to dodge the slow moving torps so then the Spathi is all about darting runs with the front gun.  The front gun fired so fast that if you were on target pretty much the entire salvo would hit.

The most useless ships in combat were the Umgah, the Earthling Cruiser, the Druuge Mauler and, um, probably the Ilwrath Avenger because it was damn near unflyable as a human.  They might have had their uses against particular opponents, but on the whole they sucked.

I hated seeing my mates pick the Eluder, the Nemesis and the Guardian, because i knew then I was going to have trouble killing him :)

Least favorite: Umgah.  Never witnessed anyone intentionally picking one.

I'll hafta agree that the Eluder could lead to some boring human vs. human fights.  Especially Eluder vs. Eluder.  Ugh.

The Umgah ships are kind of useless.. and they're really boring to fly.

The Druuge Mauler has its uses though. Such as... killing Avatars  ;D

Drones are the worst, with the Mauler second.

The lousiest: Ilwrath. I can't fly with the cloak and the weapon is too short ranged.

ehhhh... you could always estimate where you are by the relative position of the other ship, and interpolate between the positions of the stars that disappear under the cloaked Ilwrath.  Conversely, so can your opponent, making the Ilwrath pretty weak.

I reallllly hated chasing spathi ships.

Alot of people I talk to hated using the Slylandro Probe, but once you master it's controls, you do some damage.

Come on! Druuge Maulers were incredible. The ONLY ship that gave me serious troubles with my Maulers were well-flown Thraddash, they were hard to hit and they could easily set you up to run right into their fire. I have killed more avatars and Ur-quan with Drugge maulers than any other ship in the game. It was also one of the most effective ships against the dreaded Utwig since it's shell was so high speed and small, you could get them to accidently trigger their shields easily.

I think the Zoq-fot-pik and Shofixti were rather useless. I felt the Human cruiser, Umgah, and Ilwrath were far better than them. Of course, maybe I just wasn't good with them, but trust me, Maulers ruled.

Pits

Ilwrath. Definitly the Ilwrath

Least favorite?  That would have to be the Kohr-Ah.  That ship has no style whatsoever.

I loved using the Spathi, but I agree it was annoying when the computer (and some friends I can think of) just ran away all the time and refused to even try to attack.  When that happened I took out an Avatar (in my fleet for exactly this purpose) and dragged them back into the fight, kicking and screaming.

Although it appears I'm in the minority, I did like the Druuge Maulers.  When you got into the groove of them, firing to accelerate and taking the recoil into consideration - enemies tremble  8)

I'm a little surprised that nobody's mentioned the VUX, either in the best or worst ship's topics.

I've found the Probe the least fun to fly... I've never gotten the hang of it.  

The Umgha Drone is my least favorite ship... I always thought it sucked compared to its original counterpart, the Shofixti Scout  ;)

Vux ship whatever it was. And all the slow ships in general (excluding Druuge Mauler) :)

Maules are awesome!!  I admit that they are kinda hard to use agianst (er.. spelling!) small, fast ships *coughs PKUNK*, It was a fun ship.   :P I like eluders, but they ae pesky when they run away.  Sylandro are fun, too (I finially learned to use one ;D)  Drons aren't THAT bad... er.. is annoying and SLOW with NO range, And zotfotpic & sofixi are good, I can esially kill  a dreadnaught WITHOUT suiciding.  

I'd have to say, however, that the Avenger is the worst ship.  

I hated being the Zot Fot Pik Tick and I hated fighting the Spathi Iluder.  Nothing like long battles against them...

Everyone seems to be bashing Umgah Drone. I liked it. We used to play Melee with equal Armadas and I'd usually put in a couple of Drones. They are cheap and the sheer surprise value of well handled Drone can win a battle. Aim, zip backwards catch them in the the cone of death. Granted, Umgah Drone is useless against some ships.

Least favorite.. Spathi Eluder for endless fights.
Or Ilwrath for simply being quite useless. Too slow and short range.

Spathi vs. Spathi fights were the absolute pits.  More often than not they'd come down to whoever would screw up and smack into a planet first.  If that combo came up and both players were even we'd usually flip a coin to see who would just give up and move on to the next setup.

I'd have to say my least favorite ship was the Ilwrath Avenger.  Sure you know how close you were based on the zoom in level, but I could never keep track of my bearing.  Too often I'd decloak facing the wrong way!

Someone mentioned the Earthling Cruiser... that ship could do quite well IF you managed to find the planet to do a gravity whip.  A fast moving Cruiser, able to point-defense incoming shots while launching powerful homing missiles is pretty tough.  You just have to watch out for the planet once you've built up your speed.

I believe you're not taking into account the fact that the illwrath would automatically track onto your opponent if you fired it's weapon while cloaked instead of decloaking then firing.  I do agree with the Spathi vs. Spathi comment though, that's usually how it goes, although you could probably say that abour the sylandro probe as well.

I always hated fighting the Mmrnhrnm (forgot how that was spelled) X-Form... gawd, those fights were overly long.

Playing as... prolly the Umgah drone.  I don't know if I ever got a win with that machine.

The worst ship ever IMHO is the Mycon Podship.

It can't turn, it can't thrust, it takes ALL of its firepower to regenerate, and the tracking missiles were not only painfully slow, but just as likely to hit you as the enemy.

You've got a point there. Mycon Podships can be taken down by nearly any ship in the game. Even the lowly Stingers and Umgah Drones

Mycon Podships had bastard (read: really good!) AI though, they would frequently take advantage of the planet's gravity well and match top speeds with your flagship so that they could regenerate, or fire a plasma ball and you while you give chase.

Perhaps so, although I was more thinking of my least favorite to fight with...

my least favorite ship was probably the Umgah.. i really NEVER killed a ship with it..

oh and.. MmrnMhrm RULED!!!! if i die in a battle against a Kohr-ah or Ur-quan... i always picked out Mmrnmhrm!
warp in, y-form, and keep shooting until its dead..!

Spathi Eluders should become immune to their own missiles in this version. This will force a normal fight between Eluders and leave it untouched for the other battles.

I actually like the Illwarth, but I will admit it is rather useless as you need a worse human opponent to win.

-Shiroko

I was actually rather fond of the Umgah...it was exceedingly difficult to get any damage done with it, but you could sit safely behind that anti-matter cone for pretty much as long as you wanted.

Incidentally, the Earthling Cruiser is useless in most of the later games, but I remember it not being half bad in the Genesis version of SC1.  My brother kept picking the Ur-Quan Dreadnought, and I would pick the cruiser--all you had to do was keep the fight at long range.  His fighters were useless--point defense lasers took them out--and if you kept between his angles of fire (and kept the ship pointing at or away from him, to minimize your profile), you could pound him with nukes at will and not worry about getting hit.

Then, in SC2, suddenly the Dreadnought was faster than me.  I seem to remember being able to outrun a Dreadnought in the Genesis game.  Am I wrong?

ErekLich
I wouldn't say the Podships are the absolute worst. I've got many victories with those. All you do is build up enough thrust, heading away from the enemy and turning around to nail him down with those plasma tracking blobs.

The worst is probably the Umgah's or Illwrath.

The ZFT ship is anything but useless, its spray gun can do some good damage...

COnsider this.. an Ur-Quan master launches his fighters, the chase you.. what o u do, u run then turn around and spray them... problem solved.. and when the Ur-Quan has very few crew left, you can use your superior agility to come on for the kill.. and exterminate the Ur-Quan with the secondary fire...
they almost never know what hit them...

Earthling ship.. good for taking out probes in the begining of the game (good at it, not great) And can do some damage to the Ur-Quan if they warp on different sides of the map...

the iLwarth are kinda useless....  they can do some damage to the Kohr-Ah
(sometimes)

Umgah are the best!!!......... harharhar... (umgah humor)o

I hated the Chmmr Avatar, because with some ships it was impossible to destroy, even if your opponent just sat there doing nothing. Against any other ship you have at least a theoretical chance of winning with the wrong kind of craft.

The ZoqFotPik was hilarious! We spent hours playing ZFP vs ZFP, both circling a planet.. And, I've actually killed a full condition Kohr-Ah with one ZoqFot! First, circle the Kohr-Ah so that it shoots its battery empty, then go in with the tongue..

The earthlings and mycon are good when you find a planet.. I also think the Druuge is great (one of the few ships to kill every Avatar it meets, even human-controlled).

And, the X-Form is pronounced Mannerheim - at least that's the only possible way I've heard =).

The least favorite.. That would be the Supox, because it jammed the keyboard when playing against a human opponent =). Also, I never learnt to use its speciality.

don't bash the Earth Cruisers; finding a planet is nice and all, but against the AI a single Earth Cruiser can take out hordes of Dreadnoughts and .. whatever the Kohr Ah ships are called   ;)

Both are faster than the cruiser but not enough, if you keep running away the AI will get bored and turn around to try to catch you the other way; all you have to do is turn around yourself and repeat ^ ^

In this kind of battle reaching a planet is counterproductive; you can easily get pulled into them or crash land or accelerate into a path that sooner or later leads to flaming plasma death.

Course the cruiser is entirely useless against an Avatar, but will cause damage when it gets taken down.  It's just that there is no way to damage the avatar except with the point defense laser - which you have to be close - which means you = dead ^^

Also the X-Form's name is meant to approximate mechanical hums; generic sci-fi machinery.

Umgah Drone.  Can't stand that ship.  I never could get the thing to work properly with the reverse and anti-matter cone attack.  It was always too difficult.

Oh, and hi there everyone :)

Arilou skiffs, granted it is nifty to fight uber-huge enemy near a planet and watch them crash to death, sure they're fast but one sneeze and you lose. Close second would be the Sylandro probe.

Bataar : They're called 'Marauders'

I have knowledge  8)

Least favorite ship? I'd say umgah (with some execptions)..Illwrath with their cloacking device has it's uses against homing weapons. Earthlings, well, find a planet and kill enemies. Mycon, again the planet tactic (you'd be amazed at what this baby can kill). I just love spathis; only slylandro (great ships when you learn to control them), earthlings, pkunks and orz (not sure about mrmrmrhrrmrhhrrsnms ;) ) are able to hurt them. Having an avatar against a spathi is one of the most stupid things to do (h vs. h).

Actually, all the ships have their advantages..so umgah wins (ie. loses) but just barely.

ps. planet is your friend (especially when playing an arilou)

Umgah is cool. It's just so great to toast your enemies with, gives a feeling of superiority. "I beat you... with the Umgah! HAH!"

At one point in SC1 it was my favorite ship. They were even cheap to construct, which was nice.

Probably Umgah, but if you are really good and a little lucky, you can still take out certain ships with it. It just depends on your skills and specialties. If you can get in close, it's cone can kill any ship in the game in a second or two. :-/ :-/

The Chmmr, they were too powerful and boring to play.  You just sat back and pulled your enemy in.  If you were playing a decent human, the battle was usually decided from the start based on what ship they had (either they couldn't hurt you, or you had basically no chance killing them).

^The V^ery U^gly X^enomorph!

Due to the Vux's slowness and low turning rate.
The only thing to save your butt were the limpets (and also a very cool idea!).
The only good thing is the warp-in device, but in melee it became useless, because others didn't warp in near you and your warp-in came near an enemy on full speed, therefor he was gone before your gigawattlaser destroyed him.

But i must say, that it remains very original due to the cool ideas (limpets, warp-in device) used.

Honestly, I didn't have a "least favorite".  At some point, I found all the ships to be useful.  So, rather than list ships I didn't like, I thought I might address some of the points made by others.

Umgah: If your opponent is large and slow (eg, Chmrr Avatar), these ships can be quite effective.  Sacrifice a couple by zipping into range of the zapsats and using the antimatter cone to destroy them.  Those zapsats are tough, but not invulnerable...and once they're gone, the Chmrr ship is a lot more vulnerable to incoming fire.

Spathi: Zip, zap, zowie!  It's quite fun, zipping around with these suckers and blasting your opponent.  By the time a Dreadnought or Podship gets turned around, you're well out of range.

Ilwrath:  I wzs quite good at the "sneak up and flame someone" approach.  My sister was better.  :-)  I lost a lot of battles to her Avengers, especially when using something like an Earthling Cruiser...

Shofixti: BOOM!  Effective on its own against smaller opponents.  Against big ones, no need to fire the gun: just zip into range and let the Glory Device go.  A couple of those and even a Dreadnought is toast.

Vux: If you're able to get in close, the laser toasts them.  If not, use limpets to slow them down.  Anything which has point-defense lasers will take them out, of course, so finding a planet is a good backup.  Still, I could do pretty well with these.

Mycon: These ships were designed for the gravity whip maneuver.  Once you get going, of course, it's hard to stop, but that's okay...shoot backwards.  Even fast ships like the Arilou had trouble dodging plasmoids when fired from a flying podship...especially if the Arilou was in hot pursuit.

Druuge: A long range cannon that does as much damage as an Ur-Quan blast?  Very nice!  Plus, the recoil could be useful for getting up to speed.  I often found myself using shots sparingly, though, until I could get them lined up for a kill.  Tossing crew into the furnace is funny, but tends to make one vulnerable.  :-)

And, last but not least, Slylandro: Constant motion and immunity to gravity are perfect for my "zip around chaotically" style of fighting.  Plus, the lightning weapon was hard to track, and very hard to block!  Even an Utwig would end up wasting shield power, because it's difficult to know when the lightning blast will actually hit.  And recharging from asteroids is nifty.

Anyway, some thoughts.

Yup, you're right, all ships are useful at one point or another. Myself, having played SCI for years, before I even heard of SCII or SCIII, consider myself fairly good at all ships (although I'm best with a Arilou Skiff) so I can't honestly say that I dislike any of them. But, in SCII I found the Zot-Fot-Pik early on in my first game and began to build there ships only to find that they were meant for short range. I tried to use them in battle, but I couldn't get the hang of it, so rather then keep trying I just gave up on it and never bothered again. So, it's my least favorite. I bet everyone here has a similar story as to why their least favorite ship is, their least favorite. But, don't get me wrong, you made good points. However, I doubt they'd make anyone think twice about making it one of their favorites.  :-/

Let's say there's two least favorites....to fight and to use...

To use, the Umgah, Ilwrath, Androsynth, and Shofixti.

Then of course the fight depends on the matchup.  Unfortunately many of the match ups are boring, and some are impossible - in some cases using some ships in melee are boring because there's no challenge with a lot of the ships.

Speaking of match-ups, has anyone beaten a Utwig with a Chmmr?

Yes (awesome computer).
It does take more time than taking an Avatar with a Blade apart, it even won't work w/o loosing crew. First job is to take his battery down. So never ever use the laser on the Utwig until his batts are drained. Use it to shoot near the Utwig. Make him trigger his shield. Wait. Turn and shoot left or right of him. Wait until he stopped triggering and redo. By the time he has lost his shields, you've lost at least half your crew and (most probably) one or two of your ZapStats. Now your task will be to chase him. and get him down. for good. BTW, it's easier to win against an Utwig after having lost your sattelites against an Kohr-Ah (these Zap-stats accidentically fill his battery, great :()

I never got any good at the Umgah--I never choose them for melee.

Admittedly, Ilwrath Avengers are very difficult for a human to fly.  But the upside is the fact that when you fire while cloaked, you automatically aim toward your opponent as you decloak.  So the trick is to figure out how to predict your position when you're cloaked.  Plus, you can easily dodge guided projectiles while cloaked.  Thraddash are an Ilwrath's DOOM.  I honestly can't understand why the Ilwrath and Thraddash wiped each other out--the Thraddash should have been able to beat the Ilwrath without a single loss.

VUX are a pain in the neck to fly.  Slow, short range.  Limpets are also very slow, and only useful if they hit (which isn't often!).  Getting a gravity whip as a VUX helps, but makes it difficult to control, and can often fly you into the planet or into Kor-Ah spinning blades.

What about SCIII?  Any good/bad ships from there?  

Although the Exquivan Enigmas were a neat idea, I quickly grew to dislike them.  On the other hand, the Vyro-Ingo ships were unique in that they carried absolutely NO projectile weapons.  They simply laid vortex mines or put up a ramming shield.  I got pretty good with those!

The Ploxis Plunderers were awesome with their shields and their long range guided missiles, but there was more than a few times where I killed off my tiny amount of crew by hitting myself with a 'guided' missile.

Umgah sucks. The cloaking ships, the Ilwrath and the Heralds from SC3 suck too since you can't see yourself. ( I kinda doubt that the pilot inside the ship would lose sense of what he sees outside his windshield or whatever.. )

I hate the Earthling Cruiser. Their lack of maneuverability and low speed, coupled with a very WIDE side profile and a glaring blind spot in their firing arc makes them easy prey for almost everything in the game.

*off topic*

Conversely, I love the Umgah Drone and Illwrath Avenger.

The Umgah Drone is, to me, the ultimate Chmmr Killer. Simply hold down the primary weapon, spray his zapsats, use the Zip motion to escape his tractor beam. After that, simply keep the antimatter cone up to block his laser and fry him.

And the Illwrath is a hoot for HyperMelee. I've learned how to located my own ship a long time ago, so whenever I play the Avenger, I can keep my friend on his toes by playing mindgames.

But I HATED the ships from SC3. A lot of them lacked creativity. I mean, yeah, there were the really interesting ones, but most of them were rehashed versions of SC2 ships. Maybe it's difficult to come up with unique ideas, I agree, but still... But the Exquivian ship was my fav in SC3. ;p

But although SC3 had the worst interface, it had the most interesting game idea. I love the idea of colonies and shipbuilding like that. And sending 'diplomatic' vessels out is a great plus.

Part I: SC 1 and 2

Least favorite: Chmmr
In too many cases, the Chmmr dominates so much at short range that engagement is impossible. If the Chmmr had only ONE zapsat, but a more powerful tractor beam, I'd love it. It would be nearly as powerful, and it would be POSSIBLE to fight it. and it could force a confrontation with more enemies.

Why not Ilwrath? Though tricky to fly, not impossible.
Why not Umgah? They have speed and a powerful weapon and a powerful defense. Just because they're hard to use doesn't make the ship good. It rewards skill - that's what a game is about. GOOD ship. My friend's father totally dominates with the Drone. In SC1 one of each matchup, he only lost the drone to the glory device.
Why not Spathi? Well, Spathi DO have an effective main gun. If pilots refuse to take advantage of it, then that's their fault, not the ship's.


Part 2: SC3
Where do I start?
Ploxis. CHEESE!!! It flies around at long range and pelts you to death, nothing you can do. If you're the pilot, all you need to do is shoot vaguely toward the enemy and not in the direction you're moving (if these to conflict, it's time to change course).
DakTakLakPak. Mine laying and high speed. This is bad news. Like Ploxis, but not as extreme.
Vyro-Ingo. Maybe if someone explained how their ramming weapon worked. I never did any damage with it. I would turn the shield on, ram, and bounce off harming neither ship. Then I tried ramming and turning on the shield just at impact (so it would overlap. Nope. Of course, the mac port had serious problems, like gray rectangles around the planets, not-quite-invisible Heralds, Harika missiles converging back on you even when you're firing BACKWARDS... etc. Maybe the Vyro-Ingo shield was supposed to work better too.
Doog. Rapid regeneration, yikes! Not so bad unless you get the in-game upgrade, then they're just SICK. That and their auto-aim weapon makes them pretty much invulnerable to most light fighters like Pkunk and Arilou. I don't like having zeroes in the chance-to-win matrix. Maybe if the fire rate of the regeneration had been halved and the auto-aim less accurate but the range longer???

I don't have a complaint with the ship design of the K'Tang, though I do think they should have had a higher point value. But maybe I could only one-on-one cancel with the Ur-Quan in that game because the AI was STUPID.

SC 1-2
Least Favorite- Come on now, you cant tell me you all think the Zot-Fot Stinger is even worth last place. With the combination of a crappy 1st weapon system, which i like to call the salt shaker, and an even crappier secong weapon, where you have to be at at least point-blank to use. No crew, no weapons, but it is fast, i'll hand that to em. thats the only reason it wasnt turned into scrap metal before,
SC-3, uhh how the hell are you supposed to use the Vyro-Ingo? Its got nothing to attack with. Not only is it impossible to use, but i just dont like the Vyros anyway. I LOVE the Harika/Yorn ship, whatever it was callled, great idea, fun to use.
Hated the Clairconctlar ship too. Too bulky and slow, and I didnt like the weapon much. but, then again, most of the ships in 3 were tons worse though anyways.

Yeah, Zoq-Fot-Pik was the ship voted least likely to win.....but Spathi Eluders are more likely to make me bang my head into the monitor.  >:(

The Harika/Yorn Ravager just plain ruled. Bolo missles were very easy to score a hit with and the regenerating crew + afterburner was insanely helpful. It was way too powerful, though. It could kill everything besides that godforsaken Avatar without much effort. But SC3 sucked horribly, so I won't go any further into that.

Oh yeah, and I second (more like twelth) that Umgah ships are crap.

I disagree that the Clairconctlar ship sucked. Handled properly, it can take out nearly any other ship. Yet to do so requires skill: mindfulness, clarity of prediction, and timing.
One of the better-balanced ships in the game, IMO.

As pointed out, Harika-Yorn was a little too good...

I thought the ZoqFot's were actually kind of fun, if you were playing on the actual SC2 where there were only 16 firing angles.  If you can stay between them you can get close enough for some serious tongueing action.  In games like TimeWarp, this is useless.

I thought the Clairconctlar's special ability was a little too powerful.  Perhaps it would be better if it costed more fuel, but the ability to just vanish every time you got close was really annoying.  Of course, maybe I just didn't figure out how to fight them effectively.

If I were forced to pick a least favorite ship between all three, it would be the Heralds.  Useless to play, and f***ing annoying to fight.

Oh...I also thought the Vyro-Ingo were actually good, if you took a little time with them.  The ramming shield was mostly useless, but the wakes would effectively absorb anything you fired at them, making it really difficult to hit one.

The wakes were pretty weird. Very strange effects with them. Powerful, but so hard to hit with! If you're facing vyro-ingo, the main solution, as with the Thraddash, is sit still and wait until they come close and kill them. Unlike with the thraddash, they have NO ranged weaponry, so you won't even get slowly pecked to death.

*pulls another one of her infamous ressurrections, and pulls another old topic out to rant along with*

Without a superprocessor in my brain (which the lot of you gentlemen clearly have, no sarcasm intended) controlling the Mycon Podship and leading it into a gravity whip and managing to turn it around to bear on the enemy ship and actually managing to score with a hit without being led into danger--- is so incredibly tedious. And since it's about the only ship that I ever collide with my own weaponry with, it's instinctively reflexive for me to fire while facing forward.

...and the computer seems to manage these calculations without a hitch (well, alright, the computer does make stupid mistakes quite often, but doesn't it always). Which easily makes it my least favorite ship, both because it's such a pain to use AND such a pain to fight. True, if you're skillful enough, you can still take it out with no casualities with most ships (and with certain ships, you can take it out with no casualties without batting an eye). I'm usually too lazy to fight with more than casual effort, though.

Well, it's not too hard... The hardest part is finding the planet. You do gravity whips with other ships, say, the VUX, right? Or do you just not like to fly slow ships?

Well, it depends. Slow ships like the Marauder, or slow ships as in the Mauler without it's cannon? I generally have a hard time finding said planet, too. What's really annoying is when the screen automatically zooms in on your ship in the PC version when you're zipping through space, and you can't see a planet coming before you collide with it during the victory ditty.

Although it's very realistic. After all, your ship has taken out the enemy, so obviously everyone else aboard is too busy celebrating that they can't be bothered taking care of the long range scanner...

Hehe.  I could just see the Kohr-Ah dancing on their ship, celebrating their victory.  I imagine them breaking out the pinata of their latest victim and then breaking it open with giant baseball bat.

I guess this hypothesis also applies to the Utwig, who are generally known for their celebratory spirit.   ;D

Hey, I'm new here, so please go easy... :)

I like the Umgah, though I seem to be in quite a minority here. I mean, the Umgah beat the VUX hands down. The Intruder's laser can't hurt the Drone and nor can their limpets, and the Drone is faster (it's like a race betwin the turtle and the snail, isn't it?). The Ilwrath and Earthlings are also in the same predicament. The Nemisis, and Guardian, both top ships, are hard pressed to destroy the Drone and the latter takes major damage doing so.

My least favorite ship is the Torch. You can't chase it and if you stay put it will take you out with it's weeny dart. There is nothing more annoying.

The Guardian shouldn't take massive damage against the Drone. Just don't use the Blazer form. Shoot bubbles and some will sneak around the anti-matter cone and slam the Drone.

My least favorite ship is the Blade. I just can't seem to get the hang of it.

The Earthling Cruiser can make the Torch its bitch without much effort at all, just stay put and keep the missles comin'..  You've only gotta hit it twice and the fight's over.  Don't waste your time with the point-defense, the powerful Mark 6 blaster can cut right through that, meaning you lose battery AND crew if you use it.


The only way I can handle it is to point it straight "up" and fly it.  Then the directional controls match what it will do onscreen, making for very few "aw, fuck!" moments  ;)  Once you get used to it, it's a highly effective ship; it can dodge just about anything, and it can compensate for the "firing angle" problem by nudging itself into place w/o turning.

I prefer to use it as a Chmmr-killer -- it fires fast enough to overwhelm the ZapSats (I actually aim for THEM at first) and can hide inside the firing angles while dishing out the hurt.  Mmmmm..  So good.  :)

Wait wait wait, did I hear that correctly? Did he just say the Umgah Drone is the winner against an Orz Nemesis!?!

Heh, just kidding. You said you didn't want people to go ballistic on you so I won't. While I've been caught in that damned backwards zip attack many times before, I will have you know that Orz marines can easily board a drone as long as they aren't launced directly into the cone. Even the rotatable cannon can pierce through the cone. If you don't believe me, try it out.

I don't really have a ship that I hate. All the ships have style to them and the potential to wreak havok, just some more than others. The Mmrnmhrm Transformer is the most frustrating ship for me but it's great compared to a lot of the crap that originated in SC3, which was a mixture of ugly (Doog), cheesy (Ploxis), and downright awful (Xchagger).

I didn't say that the Drone was the winner, just that the Nemisis and the Guardian have a hard time beating it. Any player with half a brain and abit of practice will zip back from the marines and bubbles (and the merins are stupid so they'll die in the cone there after), and the Nemisis'  shells are small, which can be an advantage but makes it hard to hit the small Drone.

Well, it is possible to beat a Nemesis with a Drone. The Orz ship is my favorite in the game so in addition to defeating every other ship in the game with it, I also did the opposite. The trick against marines is, as you said, to backwards zip a little so that if they aren't headed for the cone already, they will be. Against a good Umgah player, it's better to not use marines or fighter craft at all.

By the way, is it okay to consider killing an opponent off with a glory device a win? Otherwise I might have to go back and try to beat the Orz again with Shofixti.

Am I the only one who actually likes the intruder? It's not an awesome ship, but it's really pretty decent.

I'd have to say, hands-down, the worst ship I know of is the ZoqFotPik.  All others are thousands of times better than the ship that you have to kiss your opponent's ship to even consider doing worthwhile damage.

I like the Umgah, Druuge, Ilwrath, and pretty much all the other ships I've seen people list as "bad" to use.  Umgah is sweet, especially when you use the reverse-skitter maneuver to end up lining up your enemy's ship within your beam.  Ilwrath is pretty cool too, even if the cloak is easy enough to figure out.  Druuge, well.... I just have one thing to say about them..... Chmmr Avenger annihilation.

Yeah...that's most ships, awesome against some ships, pretty decent in other cases, but nasty in some cases...

The VUX is in my top 5 or so right now of favorites....

At least with the AI, anything I can catch with the limpets dies: basically Zot-Foq-Pik, Spathi, Yehat, Utwig, and a few others.   There's a few other ships he usually hurts bad like Chmmr, and my current favorite practice melee - the Kohr-Ah  ;D   Mycon, Druuge, Chenjesu, and Ur-Quan are nightmares with this ship though - although I usually get enough limpets on the latter two so they die with my next combat selection  ;D

Lately I've taken a liking to the Pkunk. Though, perhaps this is because I've played through the Sa-Matra battle many times recently :).

I wish the Umgah antimatter field were a little less permeable -- I mean, it's ridiculous that the Orz shot can get through it. The field is supposed to permit the heaviest shots, like crystal shards and fusion blasts, and, I guess, the blades (maybe hellbore cannons too, but blocking them would make things more interesting). That's IT. Also, making the field as wide and long as it was in SC1 would help make the ship worth its 7 supermelee points.

Oh, the Mauler.
I hate that ship as well. Why? The computer can cheesily snipe with it... as well as dodge sniped shots with very little mental effort. Me? Damn firing arcs! I used to be able to snipe incredibly well with that ship, but I think I've been spoiled in recent years in newer games with 'added detail' in firing arcs.

The only thing that brings me any measure of comfort to using the Mauler is that the computer pilots like a moron sometimes.

It's maybe Drone or Mauler. Drone doesn't even have good turning rate and with example Skiff, it's very easy to kill. It's only good if you can use its special thing (moving fast backwards), but only computer can use it in the right time and get behind the opponent. Mauler is useless ship, if you aren't sharp shooter. It's too easy to kill and its fuel reload speed is veryvery slow and I don't want to always use my special to make it going faster (you lose then some crew). But in sharp shooting, I don't have any problems ;).

Because you asked what is your least FAVOURITE, then I will say that it is Probe. I just figured it out what did you ask. So those Drone and Mauler were worst ships. Probe is my least favourite, because there's so much problems with them in the start of the game.

Hi all. I'm new here, but I'm quite open, so I'll cut right to it.

Least favorite to fight against: Scout. Unless you have a ship with similar speed or faster, you're going to get bombed. It's the whole point of the ship in the first place  :P It might not directly kill you, but whatever follows it up probably will.

Least favorite to fight as: Dreadnought. Too big and bulky, too slow, and the fighters get smoked by any sort of projectile. (favorite trick: Fight as Andro vs. Dread. Idiots send out swarms of fighters, just bubble em!  ;D)

Welcome to the forums, NECRO-99!  I'm sure you'll fit right in with all of us Star Control 2 geeks!   ;D

Least favourite ship to pilot:  Umgah Drone...  do I need to say anymore?  Slow and useless.  Painful to pilot.

Least favourite ship to fight against: Utwig Jugger... damn that cursed shield!

You know, that's one thing I've always hated about the Dreadnoughts. Launching fighters is the best part of using those ships (smelling pretty colors is the best game) but anyone with half a brain can make it very costly to launch fighters unless you're incredibly careful about it and you're a dead-eye with the fusion bolts.

It's basically a Pyrrhic victory ship for me, in the sense that it suffers from attrition way too easily from ships like the Guardian, the Cruiser, the Drone, the Marauder, etc...