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Title: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 11, 2005, 07:07:32 am
Just thought this would be an interesting topic for the Starbase Cafe.

Right now my pick is Aliens. I might go for a star wars film, but I can't judge until I've seen the last episode.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 11, 2005, 07:10:42 am
Alien(the first one).


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 11, 2005, 07:56:06 am
Maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey. Forbidden Planet was also super-cool.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Baltar on May 11, 2005, 07:57:20 am
Hmm.  Tough decision.  At the moment I'm gonna have to say Bladerunner.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 11, 2005, 07:58:49 am
Oooh, Blade Runner. Yeah, that one was really good (just rented it again, in fact). Did you read Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Baltar on May 11, 2005, 08:04:17 am
Yeah, I read it some years back.  So long ago in fact I don't remember it very well.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 11, 2005, 08:11:46 am
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Maybe 2001: A Space Odyssey. Forbidden Planet was also super-cool.

ehhh...the end was too weird.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 11, 2005, 08:15:17 am
I'm waiting for a Forbidden Planet remake.

2001 was a little hard to follow. Actually. . .I'm not sure if it can be followed. Does anyone know why the last scene is of an embryo floating in space?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Baltar on May 11, 2005, 08:16:19 am
I think 2001 as a movie on its own is kinda a mess really.  It has alot of atmosphere but that is basically it.  The book I think is quite excellent though.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Defender on May 11, 2005, 08:51:14 am
1 Enemy Mine - i highly recommend this movie!

2 Aliens

3 Battle Beyond the Stars


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Chrispy on May 11, 2005, 09:19:46 am
Its kinda half religious half scifi, but I have to pick the matrix. Not for the action at all. For the amazing symbolism throughout the entire thing. The entire trilogy is completely tight and brilliant imo.

I actually hate star wars. I think the whole thing is just a stupid exploitation of sci fi with no plot or acting. Its generic sci fi that has a high budget so every sci fi fan is obligated to love it >:(.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 11, 2005, 09:28:08 am
Wow, really? I thought the last two matrix movies hurled chunks. And how could you not like Star Wars. It has more symbolism than the matrix, by ten fold. Especially the end of episode 6. Like the part where luke is standing half in the light and half in the shadows, as the dark side is beginning to take hold. Or the part where he slices vaders mechanical arm off, and sees his own dark gloved mechanical arm on himself (similar to want happened in the previous episode).


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Baltar on May 11, 2005, 10:20:27 am
Star Wars (well the classic trilogy anyways) is packed full of mythological and historic archtypes--it is hard not to appreciate it on that level.  It really is more than just a popcorn space adventure.  And 'poorly acted' doesn't really do it justice either; I think ANH suffers in this area a little but they got good performances out of those people in the following two movies.

Regarding the Matrix; I totally agree about the first movie, though I find the stylistic elements so grating that I have difficulty appreciating it.  I can respect it though.  I do find it strange that you'd attack SW for poor acting without taking a close look at your own favorite trilogy...those were some extremely wooden performances.  The acting styles and delivery of the Matrix movies reminds me alot of the SW prequels actually :P


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Zieman on May 11, 2005, 02:49:36 pm
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I'm waiting for a Forbidden Planet remake.

2001 was a little hard to follow. Actually. . .I'm not sure if it can be followed. Does anyone know why the last scene is of an embryo floating in space?



The embryo is a newborn 'Starchild' (or one in process of realizing its potential), the thing David Bowman became. Of course it's a symbolic presentation of 'reality' (reality in 2001).


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 11, 2005, 05:20:12 pm
Alien
This movie has a lot in common with Metroid 1, which is one of my favourite games. Panties in the end makes it a winnar! Aliens is pretty good too.

MoonTrap
Old B-movie, but I think it had... potential. It's about 14000 year old cyborg robots on the moon. Requires quite a lot of suspension of disbelief to watch. If someone were to make a new high budget version of it I'd explode of pure joy.
I liked Virus too, well, the designs. Crab robot was awesome.
Speaking of cyborgs, I'm trying to think of a good movie with the Borg, but there haven't been that many. Maybe the Scorpion episodes on ST:Voyager?

Metropolis (1929, silent)
First sci-fi movie, and quite enjoyable.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 11, 2005, 07:10:41 pm
"The embryo is a newborn 'Starchild' (or one in process of realizing its potential), the thing David Bowman became. Of course it's a symbolic presentation of 'reality' (reality in 2001)."

Wish I new how to comment on that. . . ???


"MoonTrap"

Is that the movie with Walter Koenig, where those aliens live in red pods and need humas/machines to build themselves into mechy things?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 11, 2005, 08:16:48 pm
Oh goody, a movie thread. Long-winded post here, sorry about that. I have a hard time deciding on only one film, so I thought I'd give you several of my favourites.


2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick, 1968
Frequently features in lists of the best movies of all time, yet those who have seen it often feel underwhelmed. Slow-paced, ponderous, tedious, and in parts, utterly nonsensical, that's how the criticism goes. I, for one, love it, and have no qualms on naming this one of my very favourite films of all time; yet I have a hard time explaining why. Perhaps it's because I've rarely seen a movie deal with themes of this magnitude (human evolution, a plot that spans millions of years, etc.), perhaps except the recent "Time Machine", which sucked utterly. Perhaps it's the lush, gorgeous imagery. Maybe the music does it. My best explanation, I guess, is that the absence of dialogue (only about 45 minutes of the film contains dialogue, which leaves about one hour and twenty-five minutes of music, sound effects, or complete silence) forces you to focus on the visual aspects. It is perhaps the only movie I've ever seen that couldn't work as anything but a movie. Most other movies concentrate on dialogue to tell the story, and let visuals and sound supplement that. Consequently, they could just as easily made the story into a theatre play, a radio show, or other things. The genius of 2001 is, I guess, to tell a story entirely by using images. Indeed, much of the little dialogue that can be found, are meaningless, polite phrases without connection to the plot. We're not exactly used to this way of making a movie, so much of it will seem to make no sense to the typical viewer. But I rant. Let's move on.


Le Voyage dans la Lune. Melies, 1902 ("Voyage to the Moon")
First real science fiction film, incredibly well made, with hand-painted scenery and (for 1902) amazing special effects. The hand-tinted original prints found a couple of years ago also makes it one of the first color pictures. The scenes have been copied and remade in film after film; Smashing Pumpkins' video for "Tonight, Tonight" copied many scenes. On a sad side note (from IMdB): "After finishing work on the film, George Melies intended to release it in America and thereby make lots of money. Unfortunately, Thomas A. Edison's film technicians had already secretly made copies of the film, which was showed across the USA within weeks. Melies never made any money from the film's American showings, and went broke several years later (while Edison made a fortune on the film.)"


Metropolis. Lang, 1927
Incredibly well-made silent classic. Great set-pieces and effects, a simple yet well-constructed plot, and a generally bleak view of the world. Oh yes, just my kind of movie. Well worth a look, even for those of you who don't really enjoy silents.


12 Monkeys. Gilliam, 1996
Not a purists sci-fi film (most of the action takes place in the present day), but it's one of the very best time-travel films ever made, IMO. Great plot, too.


Alien. Scott, 1977
The first one; I don't care much for the overblown action-flick that was "Aliens", and the two later films were not up to this standard. Anyway, classic movie in all respects. Giger's designs all over the place, and special effects that don't try to impress, they merely support the story, which in turn makes them more impressive. :)


Blade Runner. Scott, 1982
Bleak, dark futuristic vision, with quite a few semblances to Metropolis I mentioned above. Vangelis' music adds a lot to the atmosphere. The non-directors cut features an upbeat ending, with pretty, lush pictures of Deckard and girlfriend riding their spacecraft over blossoming valleys(*) as they head to a better future; which actually ruins the entire movie. Be sure to watch the director's cut. From IMdB: "In a survey conducted by the UK newspaper The Guardian in 2004, 60 scientists selected this movie as the best science fiction movie of all time, just ahead of 2001: A Space Odyssey."

(*) unused footage from The Shining (1980)


A Clockwork Orange. Kubrick, 1971
Ultra-violent, ultra-controversial, ultra-great. The story itself takes place in the very near future, which barely makes it a science fiction film, but it's so good, it deserves a mention anyway. It's remarkable for being a film which portrays a story from the villain's point of view, without taking sides and without becoming moralistic.




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"The embryo is a newborn 'Starchild' (or one in process of realizing its potential), the thing David Bowman became. Of course it's a symbolic presentation of 'reality' (reality in 2001)."

Wish I new how to comment on that. . . ???

Read the book (by Arthur C Clarke), and you will know. It's that simple.

Or you could look here:
http://www.palantir.net/2001/meanings/clarke2.html


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And how could you not like Star Wars. It has more symbolism than the matrix, by ten fold.

Oh come on. If you can't prove it, don't claim it. There is a lot of symbolism in both films, the main difference, I suppose, is that Star Wars alludes more to legends and popular lore, while The Matrix contains more biblical references.


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Metropolis (1929, silent)
First sci-fi movie,

Oh no, my friend. Not by a long stretch. ;) See above.

Here is a run-through of some pre-1950s scifi classics:
http://www.sandcastlevi.com/movies/sf-1900s.htm


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: GeomanNL on May 11, 2005, 08:50:27 pm
I rather liked Flash Gordon, and I'm mentioning it because it's not been mentioned yet. With music by Queen. And nice colorful sets, worthless special effects, and a crazy plot. I cannot help but like it :)

The Abyss; now that's a nice movie.

Star-wars chapter 1 was pretty cool too. A bit childish on some occasions, but imo that gives it something extra. It's funny, and it's on occasions a quite happy, delightful movie, let's put it that way. I can imagine the movie puts off people who take star-wars too seriously.

I also like Blade Runner. Unfortunately I bought the one without the voice-over comments, those gave it extra atmosphere.

Oh and how can I forget one of the best (if not the best) movies ever made: the Fifth Element !! So full of humour, irony, sarcasm, action-packed, it's simply awesome !! Although you do get tired of it when you watch it (at home of course) for the tenth time.



Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 11, 2005, 09:49:42 pm
Alien:

This is one of the very best. Directors Cut is nice.


Matrix:

I don't think spoon bending is in the bible, nor is Maya.


2001:

It is different, but I don't think a movie should require an intruction manual.


Blade Runner:

Excellent Music, Great Feel, Great Concept, but Poor Acting (really takes it down a notch.)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Lukipela on May 11, 2005, 10:43:29 pm
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"The embryo is a newborn 'Starchild' (or one in process of realizing its potential), the thing David Bowman became. Of course it's a symbolic presentation of 'reality' (reality in 2001)."
Wish I new how to comment on that. . . ???



What's there to comment about? It's David being remade into a new powerful being. If you haven't read the book, I can understand how this makes no sense at all, but with the book as ground material, the movie is quite good.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 12:39:06 am
Yea, everyone who likes that movie says that. The manual tells you that  H.A.L. is I.B.M. with each letter having taken a step back, alphabetically.

I just feel that a movie should be able to stand on its own. I mean, needing an instruction manual for a game is bad, but needing one for a movie is much worse, in my opinion. (emphasis on "needing")


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 12, 2005, 12:44:35 am
"Metropolis. Lang, 1927
Incredibly well-made silent classic. Great set-pieces and effects, a simple yet well-constructed plot, and a generally bleak view of the world. Oh yes, just my kind of movie. Well worth a look, even for those of you who don't really enjoy silents"
is the anime version good?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Defender on May 12, 2005, 01:00:27 am
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Titan A.E. & Treasure Planet.

Excellent stories.

wow, for once, we have something in common. im  :o


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Chrispy on May 12, 2005, 01:51:44 am
Spoon bending is not in the bible. The matrix is the story of the second coming of jesus, so it will obviously be slightly different then the fist coming.

There is also a great deal of colour symbolism in the matrix. Every time agent smith is going to appear, there is a red light. Everytime he is foiled there is a yellow light. Everytime a goodguy is going to be alright there is green.

There is a lot of referance to water. Falling water is like the falling coding, and the matrix is falling coding, so they enfasize it a lot. It rains a lot, they squeegy windows a lot, the fire alarm goes off and showers the agents, the police officers are called wells and lake.

And just defending the second two movies, they were intended to be made after the first one, they werent just making money off of something that was already famous. They follow the plot just as it was hinted the plot would be followed in the first. They are quite different then the first though, so I could understand anyone not liking them. The trilogy is really wierd, so you either love it or hate it I guess.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 03:24:00 am
There was a lot of shooting and fireballs in it too. Wonder what those symbolized.  :P


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: GeomanNL on May 12, 2005, 03:43:50 am
I think those fireballs symbolize death and rebirth, like the phoenix.

Lead symbolizes heavy weight, I think it means that a bullet takes the heavy weight of life off your shoulders.

I liked episode two most. Great fight scenes :)
(and a nice story to back it up of course)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Chrispy on May 12, 2005, 04:50:49 am
Fighting represented conflict. The story is about war. Some of it represents outside sources, but some of it is simply the unique plot of the movies.

If theres something else I woudlnt be surprised but I dont know it right now.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 12, 2005, 05:07:46 am
Is it just me or is VoID's list the most pathetically pseudo-intellectual thing ever?  "I'm so sophisticated because I like boring old movies!  Ooh!"  Honestly, why not read literature if you want to pretend to be erudite?  The only impression you're making is on your keyboard. . . .


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: GeomanNL on May 12, 2005, 05:10:20 am
No, he mentioned 2 old movies so what? He's got alien and blade-runner in there, I like those as well.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 12, 2005, 05:12:20 am
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Is it just me or is VoID's list the most pathetically pseudo-intellectual thing ever?  "I'm so sophisticated because I like boring old movies!  Ooh!"  Honestly, why not read literature if you want to pretend to be erudite?  The only impression you're making is on your keyboard. . . .

just because you don't like any on them you don't have to insult them.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 12, 2005, 05:46:48 am
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No, he mentioned 2 old movies so what? He's got alien and blade-runner in there, I like those as well.


They're all artsy bullshit.  Have you ever tried to watch 2001?  It's complete garbage.  People like it because they feel more sophisticated watching that than they do when they watch Star Wars.

Blade Runner is horrendous, it's plot tendentious and unexciting.  Who cares that some Brit tabloid found sixty scientists to yes men it?  But at least it and Aliens are *flicks* rather than *films*.

Best ones are clearly: Star Wars, Gattaca, and if we have to be artsy losers, the Commie version of Solaris.

But seriously: read literature if you need to be a pompous ass.  All the star children in the world won't make you sophisticated.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Culture20 on May 12, 2005, 07:13:43 am
The only one of that list which might have been "artsy" in its time was 2001.  I watched A Space Odyssy as a pre-teen and thought it was quite comprehensible (without reading the book, even to this day).  Although I'm not a terrible artist, I don't consider myself artsy; more nerdy.  "Feeling Sophisticated" doesn't get me interested in something; the only movie I've seen in my local art theater was "Shiaolin Soccer".  I found 2001 interesting because of the things that weren't said, ever (even after 2010, which I got to see in theater); the same reason perhaps that I like the Precursors...

Of course, taken out of their time periods, anything pre-1960 is probably artsy since there's no way a 21st century person can suspend disbelief.

I'm going with 12 Monkies too; I really like it that a screenwriter had the cahonies to write a timetravel story where history wasn't altered.  Although Shaolin Soccer will always stick in my mind because of the girl that went with me.   ;)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Chrispy on May 12, 2005, 07:32:09 am
Who says he doesnt like literature, and who says that movies arnt sophisticated, and who says artsy is bad. Just because its symbolic and it makes you think doesnt make you a pompous ass, it just means your artsy yourself.

And just because its a movie doesnt mean its shouldnt be artsy. Just because its a book doesnt mean it has to be pompous.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 12, 2005, 08:02:01 am
If I thought he actually liked the movies on their merits, I'd agreee.  But most people "like" movies like that because they think it makes them sound cool and sophisticated.  It's similar to the absurdly pretentious "symbolism" in anime / manga (I give the word scare quotes because when you just throw imagery at the viewer willy-nilly, it's not really symbolism).  "Man, Neon Genesis Evangelion is sooo deep.  And 2001 man . . . that Star Child . . . Kubrick's a genius."

Snicker.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 08:14:44 am
Void is allowed to give his honest opinions on things. And if his being "artsy", as you call it, is what allows him to make music that kicks such major ass, then I've gotta say that I like it.

Besides, almost everyone here is probably an "artsy", me included. We don't want stuff to be powerful, just so we can have a chat about it, we want it because it's just not dull. It's something new for people who might not have enough good, new things happening.

Also, Void was giving credit to the older films, because they didn't have much to work with back then, and they spawned a lot of the more recent stuff.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 08:23:49 am
"And DEFIANT, if you really are a precursor, I cannot possibly understand why you disagree with me, on so many other issues."

Hark, you cry upon the feet of false gods for your salvation! The power of the Ancients shall scorch your worthless dxun to death, along with your precious corpse collection. All Precursors and their like shall fall before the heat of the sapphire!

Now returneth your rattling gears to the dungeon from whence you came.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 12, 2005, 08:25:13 am
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If I thought he actually liked the movies on their merits, I'd agreee.  But most people "like" movies like that because they think it makes them sound cool and sophisticated.  It's similar to the absurdly pretentious "symbolism" in anime / manga (I give the word scare quotes because when you just throw imagery at the viewer willy-nilly, it's not really symbolism).  "Man, Neon Genesis Evangelion is sooo deep.  And 2001 man . . . that Star Child . . . Kubrick's a genius."
Snicker.

I like eva :'(


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 12, 2005, 09:10:38 am
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Metropolis (1929, silent)
First sci-fi movie, and quite enjoyable.

Ahhh, Metropolis. Now there's some science fiction. ;D


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 12, 2005, 11:08:33 am
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Ahhh, Metropolis. Now there's some science fiction. ;D

yes but is the anime version good?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 12, 2005, 11:25:15 am
Anime version? I thought we were talking about the Fritz Lang film.

Although, while we're on the topic of anime, I think I'll add Ghost In The Shell to my list.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 12, 2005, 05:27:48 pm
Speaking of StarWars, here's Turkish StarWars (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/turkish_star_wars/trailers.php?) Be sure to watch "Getting in shape".

It appears Metropolis was from 1926, and not the first sci-fi (I wrote a paper on sci-fi in school, but it was like 15 years ago so I forgot). In any way I found it enjoyable, mainly because of the unique setting.

Mainstream sci-fi movies I dislike are: 2001 and NGE which strike me as pretentious (endings), and Matrix which... I'm not even gonna get started about.


It would be cool if they made a new Barbarella, but I fear it would be too tame and pc.They actually were close a few years ago (Charlie's Angels director and Drew Barrymore as Barbarella).


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 12, 2005, 05:51:37 pm
Actually I think it is the latter things you mentioned that is made to appeal to the 'young earthlings'...


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 08:58:22 pm
That would explain why the machines in the matrix are such pansies at fighting.

And shades won't save your ass from a light saber, when you're no longer in the matrix.  :P


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Death 999 on May 12, 2005, 10:16:36 pm
The Anime "Metropolis" has little to nothing to do with the original movie. I've seen them both. Both involve a female-appearing robot and hyperindustrial societies with an aristocracy... but that's not all that much similarity. Maybe there's more hidden further in, in details... but plotwise they're not all that similar.

By the way, Zanthius, if you like Treasure Planet, why don't you try reading Treasure Island? It's basically the same thing...


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 12, 2005, 11:18:40 pm
What exactly is Treasure Planet?

I think that movie could use a better name, be that a somewhat superficial way of judging. No one ever said not to judge a book by its title, though.  ;)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 13, 2005, 12:00:25 am
edit:ah, thank you death.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: harth1026 on May 13, 2005, 12:23:14 am
Star Wars: Empire Strikes Back - my personal favorite of the trilogy.

Matrix (only the first one) - One of the greatest movies of all time if it wasn't associated with its sequels.

Serial Experiments Lain (if you consider japanese anime) - If you thought the Matrix was confusing, try this one.  This isn't your normal anime with guns and porn.  This one will draw you in if you don't mind that the story progresses very slowly.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 13, 2005, 03:17:25 am
"At least it is good that Deus_Siddis is wasting all his fighting instincts on me"

Oh don't worry, your rainbow weeds are being taken care of. (Insert laugh from Predator, another great movie.)


"I am far too solid to care about what he is saying."

Having witnessed some of your vengeful outbursts, I find this highly unlikely.


"Matrix (only the first one) - One of the greatest movies of all time if it wasn't associated with its sequels."

I must agree with that, whole heartedly.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 13, 2005, 03:36:09 am
Wow, go away for one day and the insults start flying. :P


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Is it just me or is VoID's list the most pathetically pseudo-intellectual thing ever?  "I'm so sophisticated because I like boring old movies!  Ooh!"  Honestly, why not read literature if you want to pretend to be erudite?  The only impression you're making is on your keyboard. . . .

Well, I am a pseudo-intellectual. Never claimed otherwise. Also, I do read literature. Yeah, I can read. Sorry. I recently finished reading Joyce's "Ulysses". Worse, I enjoyed it. I'm not saying this means I'm better than you or anything, although I have a feeling you're trying to claim the reverse. Now, I don't enjoy films and literature because I think it makes me look cool. If I have to find an explanation, I guess it's that I generally like thrills. (Don't worry, I'll get to the point eventually) Now, 2001. You write it off as "complete garbage", but to me the first viewing I had of it happens to be one of the single most enjoyable movie experiences I've ever had. Why? Because it left me flabbergasted, and because I didn't fully understand it. I'm drawn to things (movies, music, books) like that, because I hate not to understand something. So I viewed it again. And the film made me think. A lot. I love it when films do that, to me it's one of the greatest thrills there is.

Also, I don't like only "difficult" films. I also happen to be a big fan of gratuitous t&a, hilariously big special effects, and loud explosions in films. I find them all thrilling as well, although the thrill tends to be over the moment the explosion ends, a cut is made from an effect to a close up, or the bra comes back on. The thrill I mentioned above tends to stay with me for a long time.



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They're all artsy bullshit.  Have you ever tried to watch 2001?  It's complete garbage.  People like it because they feel more sophisticated watching that than they do when they watch Star Wars.

Blade Runner is horrendous, it's plot tendentious and unexciting.  Who cares that some Brit tabloid found sixty scientists to yes men it? But at least it and Aliens are *flicks* rather than *films*.

Best ones are clearly: Star Wars, Gattaca, and if we have to be artsy losers, the Commie version of Solaris.

But seriously: read literature if you need to be a pompous ass.  All the star children in the world won't make you sophisticated.

Quick repartes:
-If you feel 2001 is complete garbage, that's your opinion. I happen to disagree. So shoot me.
-Blade Runner isn't a great film because some scientists liked it, I think it's interesting anyway. But the scientists' endorsement is an interesting tidbit.
-If you don't like artsy films, why list Gattaca?
-Final nail in the coffin, I guess: I happen to like Tarkovsky's Solaris. Guess I'm just too easy to please, huh?



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If I thought he actually liked the movies on their merits, I'd agreee.  But most people "like" movies like that because they think it makes them sound cool and sophisticated.  It's similar to the absurdly pretentious "symbolism" in anime / manga (I give the word scare quotes because when you just throw imagery at the viewer willy-nilly, it's not really symbolism).  "Man, Neon Genesis Evangelion is sooo deep.  And 2001 man . . . that Star Child . . . Kubrick's a genius."

Not particularly fond of the star child bit myself, and I agree that a lot of manga tries in vain to pass as symbolic while it is really quite shallow. But I do think Kubrick is one of the most supremely gifted directors to have lived.



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Yea, everyone who likes that movie says that. The manual tells you that  H.A.L. is I.B.M. with each letter having taken a step back, alphabetically.

Well, I think it's been pretty well documented by now that that was, in fact, a coincidence. The world is a strange place, and coincidences happen all the time. You better believe it. ;)



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I also like Blade Runner. Unfortunately I bought the one without the voice-over comments, those gave it extra atmosphere.

Hey, you actually like them? Wow, that's a first. Everyone I've ever talked to about this slags off the voice-overs as crap (myself included, actually), so it's refreshing to see a new opinion. What I do like about the directors cut (the one without v/o), is that the plot makes a lot more sense. No, let me rephrase that. The plot makes sense, period. How many missing replicants are being listed in the beginning, and how many are retired during the movie? How many does that leave unaccounted for? I'll say no more.



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is the anime version good?

I thought the japanese version was very good. However, as death_999 stated, it is a completely different film.



EDIT: Dammit, long post again! And the spelling! Aaargh!


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: GeomanNL on May 13, 2005, 04:08:05 am
I forgot to mention the movie "Brazil". I can't make any sense of it, but I don't have to. It's like watching a dream, sometimes a nice one, sometimes a less nice one, especially the end. That movie has something special. But I didn't buy it, after a few times you've seen it enough.

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Hey, you actually like them? Wow, that's a first. Everyone I've ever talked to about this slags off the voice-overs as crap (myself included, actually),


Right. I knew I had something special, just didn't know what it was until now. That voice as I remember it, is a bit dry, like bored and tired, and that goes well with that cop and those replicants.

I also watched Metropolis (manga) a while back. It's ok.

I also watched Enemy Mine a long time ago. That's pretty good too.

Space Odyssee: I did not like it, I thought it was too long and boring. I remember a few apes finding a bone and using it as a weapon, but I thought that was rather silly. I can understand the symbolism though. But it was overdone/overemphasized.

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Matrix (only the first one)


How can you like a movie/story that's not finished? It's like only liking the first of the 3 LOTR movies. I think 1 was a nice introduction to the better 2, and 3 was also nice but looked a bit fragmented to me.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 13, 2005, 08:35:35 am
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Joyce's "Ulysses"


I rest my case.

I suggest you listen to some jazz and quote Derrida whilst your at it.  Also, maybe eat some dim sum.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 13, 2005, 08:42:24 am
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If you don't like artsy films, why list Gattaca?


If you're asking that, you don't understand the difference between Dvorak and Straviski, the difference between soul and jazz, between crispy beef and dim sum.

We'll leave it at that.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Chrispy on May 13, 2005, 08:47:43 am
Are you suggesting that if someone claimed they liked Stavinski youd tell them they didnt really and just wanted to sound smart?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Achmed on May 13, 2005, 08:52:45 am
More likely, they wanted to believe that they liked it, because they think liking it is either a precondition to being sophisticated or at least a sign of sophistication.  So, wanting to believe it, they say it.  Maybe they even do believe it, like wine snobs believe they taste "a hint of tobacco."


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 13, 2005, 09:02:17 am
"Wow, go away for one day and the insults start flying."

I had no idea a movie thread could turn into a hail of lead. It seems that everything I create only brings darkness.  :'(


"I recently finished reading Joyce's "Ulysses". Worse, I enjoyed it."

Uh oh, I read that too. :-/ The only two writters that I really like in literature are Shakespear and Pope. Pope almost wrote anti-literature, basically destroying all the rest through parody. Funny stuff.


"Dammit, long post again! And the spelling! Aaargh!"

Same here, there's no spell checker. You could paste your posts into word or wordperfect, and let that program(s) spell checker do the work for you (that's what I sometimes do, when I'm not too lazy).


"I remember a few apes finding a bone and using it as a weapon, but I thought that was rather silly. I can understand the symbolism though. But it was overdone/overemphasized."

Yea, I wish they were using shot guns. The scene would not have dragged out for so long that way.  ;)


"How can you like a movie/story that's not finished?"

It's easy if the sequels are bad enough.


"It's like only liking the first of the 3 LOTR movies."

The second one of those is the best. I like the darker, sadder music/atmosphere and the "everythings going down hill" feel.


The Matrix Reloaded seemed like a copy of the first one, to me. Find someone, fight a lot, neo gets cornered, somebody is going to die and neo can't stop it. . .oh wait, nevermind. The last one is the worst. After all the close calls in the first two, everyone starts dropping like flys and nobody seems to care. There's all these new characters we've never seen before, and old ones either get forgotten about (morpheus), or they get dead. Then to top things off, the machines give up after they are about to win, out of compassion, BUT the architect vows to attack later on. This leaves the question "Can a machine be on grass?"


Has anyone heard there is a remake of War of the Worlds coming out this summer? I wonder how that will turn out.

I would really like a Forbidden Planet remake at some point, too. The original was really creepy, despite the visual effects of the day. Damn, the SFX were great, and it really felt like nothing could stop that thing. And of course, without the Krell concept, we'd have no Ancients/Precursors/Forerunners/Xel'Naga.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 13, 2005, 09:12:48 am
"More likely, they wanted to believe that they liked it, because they think liking it is either a precondition to being sophisticated or at least a sign of sophistication.  So, wanting to believe it, they say it.  Maybe they even do believe it, like wine snobs believe they taste "a hint of tobacco.""

I understand that boring things can get really over-hyped, by "intellectuals" whose name is a bit of a misnomer. But, I really don't think anyone is trying to show off here, you're just going to get bigger reactions in a SciFi thread, on a forum about a SciFi game. Why can't your grasp this?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Uraghmut on May 13, 2005, 02:33:13 pm
Achmed boy here just tries to boost his own tiny ego by underminig others for liking something he doesn't understand  :-*


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 13, 2005, 06:20:10 pm
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I rest my case.

I suggest you listen to some jazz and quote Derrida whilst your at it.  Also, maybe eat some dim sum.

Lots of great jazz out there, sorry to hear that you don't like it, but I guess that's your choice. I've never read Derrida, never eaten dim sum. You seem to have some pretty abrasive preconceptions; slow-paced films and jazz evidently are "artsy", "artsy" is "bad", and anyone who disagrees with this view are "pretentious". How about lightening up a little? If you met me in person, I'm quite sure you wouldn't recognise me as pretentious. Hey, I enjoy porn and listen to Iron Maiden, too. All while eating burgers. All I'm saying is that the enjoyment of these different things are not mutually exclusive, which is what you seem to claim.


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If you're asking that, you don't understand the difference between Dvorak and Straviski, the difference between soul and jazz, between crispy beef and dim sum.

We'll leave it at that.

No, we won't. Imo, Gattaca is a slow-paced, thoughtful and yes, intellectual and a bit artsy movie. There are plenty of scientific, mythological, even biblical references throughout, even the title is made up of the four DNA bases' reference letters (A-T, C-G). In light of your other comments, I'm honestly surprised that you like it. But it only proves my point. You loathe so-called "artsy" movies so much that you go out of your way to harass those who do, when, in fact, you have likings in the same direction.


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Has anyone heard there is a remake of War of the Worlds coming out this summer? I wonder how that will turn out.

Oh yes, looking forward to that one. I've read the book, and really enjoyed Alan Moore's treatment for The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen vol2. Dunno what Spielberg can make of it, but I'm definitely going to see it when it comes out.

On a related note, I'm also looking forward to a certain other sci-fi movie due out soon. ;)


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I had no idea a movie thread could turn into a hail of lead. It seems that everything I create only brings darkness.  :'(

Nah, your anti-rainbow crusade has brought plenty of light into our lives. :)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 13, 2005, 08:50:48 pm
"On a related note, I'm also looking forward to a certain other sci-fi movie due out soon."

Yea, I heard about that on a pepsi commercial, hehe. Seriously, if anyone wants to stop me from seeing it, they're going to need a lightsaber and a couple thermal detonators.


"Nah, your anti-rainbow crusade has brought plenty of light into our lives."

Yes, perhaps it is a noble quest. . .

We are Clan Roundup, Children of the Forum. We carry the honour of its Name on our shoulders, as our fathers did before. The Remembrance speaks to us of the evil in Zanthius' will, of the reasons for his Exodus and the rights of the poster. Sanity is our destiny and our right. Enlightenment is our gift. By the Bloodnames of the founders we must return, return and protect that which is unique among the websites. Victory awaits us, as it is written. We are the last of the warriors, the sole hope for the Earth.


"Good work deus."

Destruction is what I do best.  ;)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 14, 2005, 12:13:17 am
If you pick an old movie you have a lot more years of accumulated material to pick from. Visual quality may be worse on older movies, but they're a very refreshing alternative to the formula used in movies today. Different pace, different design and different moral cookies.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 14, 2005, 12:54:01 am
"Ant btw Deus_Siddis, does your anti rainbow crusade have something to do with the black hole, below Conthia, on my website?"

Nope.


"And Deus_Siddis you said: "Void is allowed to give his honest opinions on things". . .while I am not, right?"

Of course not, Zanthius. You may give your opinions, just as easily as I shoot them down.



Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 14, 2005, 01:08:27 am
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Void, are you living inside of that black hole, as he seems to be generating light to you?

Well, technically it was just a manner of speaking. I imagine living inside a black hole would be rather dull. No light to read books at bedtime, among other drawbacks.


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And Deus_Siddis you said: "Void is allowed to give his honest opinions on things"...

while I am not, right? :)

The entire soul shards thread would have been much easier on all of us if only you had followed this rule from the beginning. :)


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If you pick an old movie you have a lot more years of accumulated material to pick from. Visual quality may be worse on older movies, but they're a very refreshing alternative to the formula used in movies today. Different pace, different design and different moral cookies.

I agree. As an ardent moviegoer (I go to the movies upwards of 25-30 times a year, and watch a deal of movies on dvd), I find contemporary movies more and more dull, and I'm rarely surprised any more. I find it good to watch movies from another culture (checking out contemporary, i don't know, Iranian cinema, for instance) or another time, in order to be surprised and/or provoked. These movies were made for an entirely different audience, or course, but that only makes it more interesting. It took a long time, for instance, before I realised that a blue tinted picture in silents meant night; for the average moviegoer of the 1910s and -20s, this would have been self-evident. With an open mind (not too open, mind you; a great many open minds ought to be closed down for repairs), a lot of older movies can be appreciated as much as - sometimes more than - modern movies. Star Wars isn't necessary a better movie than Metropolis, although it is much more accessible to a modern viewer. But in the end of course, it all boils down to a matter of opinion.


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Allthough it is true that a lot of people choose to like "old classical things", instead of "modern popular things", believing that this will give them what they concider to be "a more unique personality", and a "taste of higher quality".

I see your point, and I suppose this is the type of person Achmed is trying to peg me down as.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 14, 2005, 02:36:50 am
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matter of opinion? isnt this getting a little old now? what about universal truths and mathematics?

Hate to burst your bubble, pal, but the so-called universal truths and the exactness of mathematics only work up to a certain point. After that, it's just, well, a matter of opinion. Or theories, anyway.


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do you really think aeons of monkey-work has generated anything of interest?

Yes. And so do you. You've read Gurdjieff, no?


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hey, if I wanted to listen to ordinary bullshit talking, I could just as well listen to the people at the street, discussing trivial political opinions, as watching a movie.

Then I suggest you do just that.


Anyway, back on topic: I see that the first two Alien movies have been mentioned. What do y'all think of numbers three and four? I think both have their merits, but also a lot of flaws. The atmosphere in Alien 3 is great, methinks.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 14, 2005, 03:28:25 am
"What do y'all think of numbers three and four? I think both have their merits, but also a lot of flaws. The atmosphere in Alien 3 is great, methinks."

Oh goody, one of my favorite sagas!


Alien: Scott's first major film. It is probably considered the best of the four by most and is one of the best movies of all time. I think it is the 2nd most fear inducing film (The Thing, 1982 version gets 1st). I also think it's Scott's best film, with it's great lighting and SFX, two things that must be perfect for a film of this genre. I can think of no flaws in Alien. Excellent.

Aliens: Cameron takes over and gives a moderately hotter sequel. It has a slightly different feel from the first, but it still holds up as an excellent movie in its own right. Cameron's obsession with action and vehicles makes this film the ancestor of many a great movie/game. But, it still has the same dark atmosphere, eerie classical music and overall format as the first one. Excellent.

Alien 3: New director who's name I can't even remember. Pretty soon, this becomes the film that no one can remember. This one completely loses focus and feels like somekind of b horror flick. Everything that was in the originals is lost. To make things worse, the film can't even stand on its own. It trys really hard to be as dark as it can, but there is no flow and no direction. Basically, religious criminals get eaten one by one as they scamper around with pointy sticks. Bad.

Alien Resurrection: New director, again. This movie isn't able to match the first two, but it does easily top 3. It returns to a more futuristic setting like the originals, though it doesn't feel quite as serious. It's a little weird, but it does an okay job of creating a good scifi-action flick. Good.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 14, 2005, 03:36:42 am
"Ah, I understand now, you are actually trying to help me generate fighting action - as a magnetical attraction to young earthlings!"

Well, yes and no. . .more no than yes. A magnet has two poles. One is attracting human warriors to the fight against you. The other pole is repulsing you from this place. You can try and resist, but if you do so for too long, your own fabric will be repulsed from itself. Kind of a bad thing for you. If only you were an Uhl. . . :'(


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 14, 2005, 04:24:51 am
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Aliens: Cameron takes over and gives a moderately hotter sequel. It has a slightly different feel from the first, but it still holds up as an excellent movie in its own right. Cameron's obsession with action and vehicles makes this film the ancestor of many a great movie/game. But, it still has the same dark atmosphere, eerie classical music and overall format as the first one. Excellent.

I agree with your views on the first Alien, but have to say that I don't think Aliens is all that great. The action, although spectacular and noteworthy in its own right, feels a little too over-blown in comparison to the opening movie, and ends up ruining a bit of the atmosphere. The fact that there are hordes of aliens running around, all of which are, apparently, very simple to kill, makes them somewhat less menacing in my eyes.

EDIT: It sounds as if I'm dissing Aliens here. That wasn not my intention. It is a great film, I just don't think it fits in the Alien series.


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Alien 3: New director who's name I can't even remember. Pretty soon, this becomes the film that no one can remember. This one completely loses focus and feels like somekind of b horror flick. Everything that was in the originals is lost. To make things worse, the film can't even stand on its own. It trys really hard to be as dark as it can, but there is no flow and no direction. Basically, religious criminals get eaten one by one as they scamper around with pointy sticks. Bad.

The "new director" you mention is one David Fincher, who later went on to greater stuff, like Seven, The Game, Fight Club and Panic Room. I think it's appropriately dark, considering it's set in a penal colony. But I agree, it does lack a lot of overall focus.

EDIT: Just found out from IMdB that David Fincher did visual effects for Return of the Jedi, Neverending Story and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom! Not only that, but he acted in Being John Malkovich! :D


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Alien Resurrection: New director, again. This movie isn't able to match the first two, but it does easily top 3. It returns to a more futuristic setting like the originals, though it doesn't feel quite as serious. It's a little weird, but it does an okay job of creating a good scifi-action flick. Good.

Nice to see someone else enjoying this movie, I keep getting picked at for liking it. I especially like the cast, and the elegant directing style. You're right, though, it doesn't really feel as serious as the first three, but I guess it's hard to top a series that includes one of the greatest horror movies and one of the greatest action movies.

It must be said that Aliens followed roughly the same storyline as its predecessor, expanding the universe and adding depth to some of the characters. Alien 3 took off on a quite unrelated note, and killed off many characters, while the fourth installment introduced mostly new characters, a new alien-human hybrid, and killed off most of them, too. While I don't know if there are plans afoot for another sequel, I think Ripley would be quite pissed off to just keep on running into deep shit all the time. Particularly considering she's died once already. :)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 14, 2005, 06:33:23 am
Argh- what has happened to the starbase cafe? Every thread is turning into soul shards!


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 14, 2005, 09:35:03 am
"The fact that there are hordes of aliens running around, all of which are, apparently, very simple to kill, makes them somewhat less menacing in my eyes."

They are just the same, but now they're en masse so they are more aggressive, the action is taking place planetside so mechanical damage weapons can safely by used without the acid burns letting out the atmosphere, and there are more humans with better weapons.


"EDIT: It sounds as if I'm dissing Aliens here. That wasn not my intention. It is a great film, I just don't think it fits in the Alien series."

Indeed, it is a great film AND it doesn't fit in the series, hehe. The funny thing about the alien series is that nothing fits! Alien and Aliens are both good movies, both are set in the same universe, and yet they are so extremely different. It's weird, but I love them both.


"But I agree, it does lack a lot of overall focus."

Not just that, but Alien 3 is SO different from the rest that it really just doesn't work at all. It doesn't feel like they are in the future, more in a cave with rusty blades fighting a monster. If they had just changed the alien into a new creature, they would not have had any intellectual property issues. It would have been a new film, altogether. Even the alien is different, it should be a biped.


"EDIT: Just found out from IMdB that David Fincher did visual effects for Return of the Jedi, Neverending Story and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom!"

Well, I hope he stays an Art director, because he sucks at the rest.


"Nice to see someone else enjoying this movie, I keep getting picked at for liking it."

Because Resurrection doesn't make any major blunders, and because every movie in the series is so different anyway, it doesn't get shot down by me. It can't stack up as high as the first two, but it holds up.


"I especially like the cast, and the elegant directing style."

There were somethings which could have been directed differently, but overall it worked. Cast wasn't bad either, though I wonder how many of the props and costumes mysteriously disappeared from the set. . .


"While I don't know if there are plans afoot for another sequel. . ."

Either way, I hope they drop this Alien Vs. Predator crap. Blasphemy. It really is just a horrible bastardization. They would have been better off just making a starcraft movie. It could show Kerrigan's transformation into evil on the lava world of char, similar to another transformation into evil on another lava world in another universe that we'll be seeing soon.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 14, 2005, 10:10:38 am
"Argh- what has happened to the starbase cafe? Every thread is turning into soul shards!"

It be the end of days, lad. Ya can't be goin' o'er the cliff, wiffout seein' what lie below. Aye, thar be no a'turnin' back from here. Dark be what lie o'head o' we.

Just as the his plants in brazil grow more and more sparse, Zanthius' posts grow more and more dense. Soon they will hover over this territory, like the grim cloud of despair over cemetery road's dead end.

But there is still hope, for we can unite against the invasion of Zanthius! We can counter him at every corner, flood his home thread with pointless posts, or simply agree to all 100% ignore him for the rest of eternity.

Sons of UQM, of SC2, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of wolves and shattered shields, when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day. This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you stand, Men of the Post!


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 14, 2005, 11:42:50 am
"Just as the his plants in brazil grow more and more sparse, Zanthius' posts grow more and more dense. Soon they will hover over this territory, like the grim cloud of despair over cemetery road's dead end."

then he will move to the UQM board itself.

"A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day"
umm...yes it is.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Halleck on May 14, 2005, 01:04:25 pm
Woah... I think he's serious.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 14, 2005, 06:49:03 pm
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Anyway, back on topic: I see that the first two Alien movies have been mentioned. What do y'all think of numbers three and four? I think both have their merits, but also a lot of flaws. The atmosphere in Alien 3 is great, methinks.


Maybe someone mentioned this, but Alien 3 was supposed to be set on this wooden deathstar construction with monks and stuff, really wierd.

I think Alien 3 was a bit too plain. Just some guys getting decimated in the usual claustrophobic setting. It also kills off characters before the movie barely started, which seems like taking the cheap way out. Bam, everything they fought for in the second movie nullified just like that.

I would've liked a movie where they put emphasis on the alien... uh morphology, ie. the fact that they steal the shape of their host. I think that was one of the most interesting points of Alien 3. Imagine the aliens infesting a zoo! Giraff aliens! Snake aliens! Penguin aliens! What a menagerie!

I think Ripley had played ot her role as a protagontist with the second Alien movie. Cameron sort of mentions this in an interview too. She went back and faced/defeated her nightmare.

In Alien you're presented with this super rare and very mystical alien and derelict ship+pilot. I'd like it to stay that way. Explaining it, or worse, over-explaining it, well... it kills what alien is about.


I always thought the queen would have some sort of defense for being tossed out into space, like curling into a cocoon thing to save vital parts. I'd use that for a third movie, along with different morphs and lots of panties.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: michael on May 14, 2005, 07:27:19 pm
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If that is the way you feel, it is fine with me.

Can the admin here please delete my user, and the post called "Soul Shard". I will never come back again to bother you more.

eh???


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 15, 2005, 07:59:08 pm
Interesting development in the Zan saga here. I was just about to ask if we could stay on topic more than 50% of the time and limit some of these posts to the Soul Shards thread, when the main culprit apparently packs up and leaves. Amazing.


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"The fact that there are hordes of aliens running around, all of which are, apparently, very simple to kill, makes them somewhat less menacing in my eyes."

They are just the same, but now they're en masse so they are more aggressive, the action is taking place planetside so mechanical damage weapons can safely by used without the acid burns letting out the atmosphere, and there are more humans with better weapons.

Yes, but that's exactly what I mean with "less menacing". In the first film there is one alien, and while the crew tries out multiple ways to kill it they are picked out, one by one. Whereas in Aliens, the, um, aliens are nothing more than adversaries in battle. The horror element is lost as it becomes a shooting exercise.


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Well, I hope he [Fincher] stays an Art director, because he sucks at the rest.

Really? I thought Fight Club, Panic Room and especially Seven were all very good movies. But tastes differ.


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Penguin aliens!

If you're anxious to see penguin bad guys in a movie, I suggest you take a look at Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers. Magnificent animated film.


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... blah blah blah and lots of panties.

Aye. Panties saves any movie.


On an entirely on-topic note, I can't believe I forgot to mention Hellboy! Although set in the present day, there are plenty of science fiction elements in the story. Plus, it's based on one of my very favourite comics! Woo!


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 15, 2005, 10:39:13 pm
"Interesting development in the Zan saga here. I was just about to ask if we could stay on topic more than 50% of the time and limit some of these posts to the Soul Shards thread,"

Yea, and I was just about to cannibalize the speech from Independence Day.


"If you're anxious to see penguin bad guys in a movie, I suggest you take a look at Wallace & Gromit: The Wrong Trousers. Magnificent animated film."

A Grand Day Out was funny too.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 15, 2005, 11:24:36 pm
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A Grand Day Out was funny too.

As was A Close Shave. A full-length picture is on its way at the moment, looking forward to that one. http://imdb.com/title/tt0312004/


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 16, 2005, 07:59:18 pm
Clarke's list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C_Clarke%27s_List_of_the_best_Science_Fiction_films_of_all_time)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 16, 2005, 08:20:08 pm
"Clarke's list"

Wow, that list is screwed up.  >:(


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Death 999 on May 16, 2005, 08:38:36 pm
Note that it was made in 1983, so that immediately excludes a lot of movies.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 17, 2005, 05:35:17 am
I want to see The forbidden planet (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/) cuz of the kickass robot. It's on DVD, but nowhere where I can get it :(


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Baltar on May 17, 2005, 05:45:26 am
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I want to see The forbidden planet (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049223/) cuz of the kickass robot. It's on DVD, but nowhere where I can get it :(



Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004RF9B/qid=1116287565/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/102-9948021-8128116?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846)?

And while you are at it you might want to pick up this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002IQGZS/qid=1116287294/sr=8-3/ref=pd_csp_3/102-9948021-8128116?v=glance&s=music&n=507846) :)


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 18, 2005, 01:42:23 am
I'm region 2 I think, and my DVD player is locked.
Amazon don't ship stuff here, not games/consoles anyways. I have to pay up to $60-$90 for games here. In fact, I have to pay about 2x for everything here, and of course I pay twice as much tax too.
I'd need a credit card too, and all I've got is cash.

I did some searches for it on kelkoo (cheapest price search site) and ginza (pretty big on music and movies here). No luck.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 18, 2005, 08:07:51 pm
"Amazon don't ship stuff here, not games/consoles anyways."

Whoa, where are you, mars or something?


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Lukipela on May 19, 2005, 05:29:40 pm
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I'm region 2 I think, and my DVD player is locked.
Amazon don't ship stuff here, not games/consoles anyways. I have to pay up to $60-$90 for games here. In fact, I have to pay about 2x for everything here, and of course I pay twice as much tax too.
I'd need a credit card too, and all I've got is cash.
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Your profile tells me you're a resident of Sweden. I would think that Sweden would be on Amazons list, seenig as they ship to both Finland and (if I'm not mistaken) Norway. Otherwise I'll get it for you and come meet you at the border. And that tax pays for a lot of public health.

Speaking of movies, I agree completely with DS in regards of the Alien saga. Number three just wasn't that great.

did someone already mention that Keanu Reeves movie, Johnny Mnemonic or some such? that was an enjoyable (though not earthshattering) flick.


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: VOiD on May 19, 2005, 05:46:52 pm
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Your profile tells me you're a resident of Sweden. I would think that Sweden would be on Amazons list, seenig as they ship to both Finland and (if I'm not mistaken) Norway. Otherwise I'll get it for you and come meet you at the border. And that tax pays for a lot of public health.

Amazon sure ship to Norway. The also ship to Sweden, but I think what Arne is trying to get across, is that they don't ship to "Arne, c/o Hut in the woods, Lappland" or similar. :)

Also, without a credit card...


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Lukipela on May 19, 2005, 06:41:11 pm
Even Lappland has (a few) postal offices, hasn't it? At least finnish Lappland has... If he can get regular post/packages to his hut, or the nearest postbox, then amazon should work just as well, no?

The credi card is trickier though. Do Amazon allow the use of Visa Electron? those are a lot easier to get than regular Visa since they're connected to your own bank account...


Title: Re: What's your favorite SciFi movie of all time?
Post by: Arne on May 20, 2005, 03:09:43 am
Toys, games, and video games [and software] can be shipped only to locations within the U.S., U.S. protectorates, and APO/FPO addresses. yadda yadda yadda

And the list goes on. They do ship to Sweden though, just not the kinda stuff I'm after. There's a chance they ship movies and books though, but I still need to get a credit card.

In Sweden it's much better with this 'post-advance' system we got. All you need to do is fill out your name and adress on the store homepage, and they send the stuff to your nearest post office, where you pay to get the goods. In some cases they just drop the stuff in your mailbox and trust you to pay.

As for the Swedish wellfare system, I know it's pretty famous, but it's not as fantastic as people seem to think. Most goes to bureaucracy stuff or 'projects'. I know because I've worked for goverment funded projects. They mostly use up all the money putting groups together, publishing reports about what to do with the money.