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Title: Episode 3
Post by: Baltar on May 21, 2005, 09:14:20 pm
So has anyone else seen this?  I'm suprised there hasn't been a thread about this yet.  I just took it in last night, and all I can say is---I don't see what the hype is about.  Yeah, this is better than the last two movies but yeesh.  They managed to extract most of the kiddy stuff but the same terrible writing and acting permeate this film.  Am I alone here?  Everyone else seems to like it...


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: 0xDEC0DE on May 21, 2005, 09:38:49 pm
I would suspect that most people who didn't like it don't want to talk about it.

I for one, thought that Episode I was so abjectly bad that it made ALL the Star Wars films suck by proxy; and I was a HUGE Star Wars fan before the "new trilogy" was released.  I can't even watch The Empire Strikes Back anymore, because now all I see is a highly-gimmicky, poorly conceived sequel to what amounts to an "accidental masterpiece".  The Luke-Leia-Han love triangle?  Absolute crap. "The Force" as some new-agey path to achieving telekinesis?  Crap.  "I am your father!"  CRAP!

I never bothered to see Epidode II, (although I did see the Yoda fight scene at a "home theater" demo, and it sucked!) and I have no intentions whatsoever of seeing Episode III.  As such, it's rather hard to discuss a movie that you have no intentions of seeing.  :)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 21, 2005, 09:50:46 pm
I have a bad feeling about this thread. It is a great disturbance in the force.

I think we have a flamewar brewing!  :o


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: VOiD on May 21, 2005, 10:02:25 pm
Seeing as I actually enjoyed Ep2 whan it came, I'm looking forward to this one. When I am able to see it, of course. First: exams. >:(

And, in stark contrast to the view of our esteemed yet highly dubious colleague OxDEC0DE, I think watching Yoda fight Dooku - for want of a better term - kicked major ass. ;)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: 0xDEC0DE on May 22, 2005, 01:33:13 am
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I think we have a flamewar brewing!  :o


Nah.  I don't think people get too bent out of shape around here over legitimate differences of opinion.  And the sold-out showings and fans waiting in line weeks ahead of time makes it pretty clear that there's plenty of room for differing views on this one.  :)

Besides, if you're apt to fly into a blind rage and begin hurling insults because somebody whom you've never met doesn't like the same movies that you do, I'd posit that you need your head examined.  ;)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Halleck on May 22, 2005, 02:15:19 am
Saw it last night... meh. At least it was better than Episode I and II.
Still prefer this one, though:
http://www.worstkind.com/swe3_med.mov


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Culture20 on May 22, 2005, 02:58:45 am
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I don't think people get too bent out of shape around here over legitimate differences of opinion.

True; some of the most vitriolic posts around here were directed at people who were writing gibberish to begin with.  There's a lot of respect here as long as your posts remain consistant within your own worldview.

"...You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view"  Jar Jar Lives! ::)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Defender on May 22, 2005, 04:49:27 am
went and saw it today. i must say its a set up from 1 and 2, but the overall feel of 3 seemed... forced (pun :P). the acting, when it should of provoked feelings in me, didnt. to me anakin didnt have a reason to be that angry. but the special effects and fight scenes were entertaining. but i feel if i see another light saber duel, it would be too soon. sheesh. dont get me wrong, i love light sabers, but the romance for them is gone because of this.

if your going to see it, cear you mind young padawan, and let the movie flow. and only then, will you enjoy this movie. ;D


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on May 22, 2005, 07:45:48 am
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Saw it last night... meh. At least it was better than Episode I and II.
Still prefer this one, though:
http://www.worstkind.com/swe3_med.mov



That was an excellent, if over the top, parody. Great work.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 22, 2005, 09:34:42 am
"Nah.  I don't think people get too bent out of shape around here over legitimate differences of opinion."

Perhaps this was before your time, but not so long ago there was this thread called "Soul Shards" and. . .


"Besides, if you're apt to fly into a blind rage and begin hurling insults because somebody whom you've never met doesn't like the same movies that you do,"

That's ridiculous, I don't just do that over movies. I do that over everything.


"I'd posit that you need your head examined."

I did, and then they said there was nothing modern science could do for me.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Halleck on May 22, 2005, 10:45:55 am
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Perhaps this was before your time, but not so long ago there was this thread called "Soul Shards" and. . .

Before his time? Hah.

Anyway- yeah, I love that parody.
"I call it... The Sphere o' Fear!!.. Giant Hurt Ball!"


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Shiver on May 23, 2005, 12:18:25 pm
I uh, liked the fights? But yeah, the story rang hollow to me. The "romance" was supposed to be the central reason for Anakin's betrayal, and that was the weakest part of the movie. And I despised how Lucas felt the need to spell every damn thing out. When Yoda near the end said something to the effect of "HAY OBIWAN WE CAN TURN INTO GHOSTS AFTAR WE ARE DEAD NOW, I FIGGERED IT OUT", I had to hang my head in shame.

Just the same, don't let any sour elitists like Ox use their broken reasoning to ruin the older Star Wars movies for you. Minus some very painful aspects of Return of the Jedi, those were quality.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: UAF on May 23, 2005, 07:27:10 pm
Watched the movie yesterday, and it was better then I expected.

Since I didn't care too much for any of the 6 movies, especially episodes I & II, I wasn't even sure I'd watch this one. But then I got free tickets :)

At any case, for me Lucas finally figured out what people like and want to see in a Star Wars movie, and stuck to it for 90% of the movie.
What I'm talking about is, of course, flashy light saber and starship fights. :)

The rest, with the reason to Anakin turning to the dark side of the force in its head, is just lame, badly done and not convincing. But you already said that.


I'd partly agree with monkeydangs though and say that if these movies were done in the 70's people would've liked them more.
But of course back then most of the cliché's were new, and we were all little kids (if we were alive at all) so flashy lights would've had even greater impact on us then they do now.


So all in all, it is a fun movie to watch as long as you love sci-fi, and most importantly empty your mind before the movie and understand that nothing deep is going to be there, only cool CG and stunts.

(On which I do have some complaints actually, sometime you could see that it's CG and Palpatine fighting was BAD, especially the actor and sometimes the CG).


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: UAF on May 23, 2005, 07:35:43 pm
BTW, wasn't Jar Jar supposed to die?


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Slylendro on May 24, 2005, 03:06:33 am
I'm back from seeing the movie and here's my review
*SPOILERS*







I'm partly satisfied and partly disappointed from this movie.
First it's the acting. HORRIBLE acting by Anakin(whoever plays him) but the worst is Natalie Portman. "oh anney u're breakin' my heart *ahhhhh ahhhhh*(bad crying scene).

The dooku space battle\fight - well done. a highly detailed space battle of 1 scene which is about 2 minutes, very impressive.
the fight was cool too, and I really like the sick robot Grevious from the animation.

The other Lightsaber scenes were very well done especially Yoda's and Windu's it was cool how he started to scream when he first jumped and killed the 3 jedi knights near Windu. But it was wierd since he stood there for couple seconds, enough for the highly trained Jedi to protect themselves(hey, if they can deflect laser bullets...).
I actually expected more from the Lord of the Sith than to be at the mercy of Windu. And the scene didn't make me believe it was all a set up just so Anakin would kill him instead because first he used lightning alot to try and get freed from Windu and second he scarred himself with the lightning and that didn't feel right -- for him to do just to get Anakin to the dark side. if it was meant this way so they would make the scene better made so the ppl can actually understand if he lost on purpose or not. right now I'm not convinced.

That also didn't make much point of Anakin turning to the Dark side THAT quickly. one sentence from Palpatine that there might be a way to repress Padme's death by working together, he decides to betray the Jedi and kill all the padawan children, turn to the DS, and be enslaved...  personally it made no point and it interpreted to me as simply bad acting. if he just acted better it couldve been more convincing.

another fuck-up was that in ROTJ when Luke told Leia about him being her brother, he asked if she remembers their mother, and she says she remembers images and that she was very sad. BUT HER MOTHER DIED 1 MINUTE AFTER HER BIRTH.

the last thing I didn't like was the ending. It didn't feel like a prequal ending... a wise sentence from Yoda or even obi-wan could be sufficient but ending as giving Luke to his family on the background of a sunset is a pretty lame end for a trilogy.

well despite all that it was an enthusiastic movie overall.



Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: UAF on May 24, 2005, 05:01:29 am
BTW, I really liked the fact that just before the big fight between Palpatine and Yoda start they make a scene which is remarkably similar to the end of the battle scene from Transfoerms the movie.

In Transformers:
Prime is crouching on the ground, badly hurt. Megatron walks to him with a pistol trained on him while saying:
"I could've waited an eternity for this, it's over Prime!"

Prime shouts "Never!" and hit Megatron with all his might, throwing him off the floor.

In Episode III:

Yoda is crouching on the floor after being struck by Palpatine's lightning. Palpatine walks to him while saying something like "Finally this moment has arrived, you're all doomed" or something like that (I don't remember his exact words).
Then Yoda say that he's overconfident (or something like that) and throw Palpatine across the room using the Force.


Another small similarity is that Megatron's motto is supposed to be "Peace through tyranny" and Palpatine said something about ruling the galaxy and bringing peace through his rule.

But it's probably just me who enjoyed it, or even noticed ;)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: GeomanNL on May 25, 2005, 09:16:56 pm
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one sentence from Palpatine that there might be a way to repress Padme's death by working together, he decides to betray the Jedi and kill all the padawan children, turn to the DS, and be enslaved...  


Not really, he already killed an unarmed enemy just because Palpatine ordered it. He also killed a lot of man, women and children in ep. 2 as well, because he loved his mother. He was already well on his way to the dark side.

The thing I don't get though is, that he does everything for his love for Padme, but in the end he kills her. I suppose it's done intentionally in the movie, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Say, has anyone noticed the Fomula 1 race? One of the cars had "Powered by the Dark Side" on the sides :)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 25, 2005, 09:23:25 pm
He doesn't kill her directly, she is just knocked out. She dies because of his turning to the dark side. Sidious leads him to believe that he killed her directly, so that all he will have left is pain (nothing to bring him back towards good).


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: GeomanNL on May 25, 2005, 09:27:04 pm
Yeah... that's right. But still. I suppose his lust for power was more powerful than his love.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Deus Siddis on May 25, 2005, 10:21:02 pm
Everything he does to avoid one tragedy turns into another. In the end, his rage is the only thing that can stay the tremendous pain that has built up inside of and around himself.

His lust for power was always an attempt to stop the losses he suffers, to protect those that he loves. But in the end, he still loses everything, and power becomes the one thing he has left.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Death 999 on June 03, 2005, 01:59:52 am
guess what: he was wrong.


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Deus Siddis on June 03, 2005, 05:01:11 am
"Just wanted to say that all Jedi-knights are complete idiots"

I find your lack of faith disturbing. (Crunch)


"I enjoyed the rebellion against the jedi belief called "just think out on others"

Why, you do that everyday.  :P


"If his belief was indeed superior to the Jedi belief, he should have converted those children into his own belief instead."

Sometimes people do not wish to be converted. You might have noticed this when preaching on this forum.


"But if you are denying your self-love, then how can you possibly love the God that created you?"

You don't. I hate myself and I don't think any "God" really exists, at least not in the usual sense. There are just some many definitions of a god. The Greek gods didn't create much and they could be damaged. The Norse gods were supposed to be defeated in the end (no offense to anybody).


"You need to understand the dark side as well, because only then can you get a true understanding of everything."

Well, emotions do seem to be pretty well connected. If somebody tried to harm someone you had compassion for, you might suddenly experience an emotion of a different kind (which this series captures very well, I might add).


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: A._J. on June 04, 2005, 02:07:05 am
...Anyway, I saw Episode III a week ago.  I had seen the other two as well.

Revenge of the Sith was definitely better than the first two.  The thing is, the movie's probably most enjoyable if you don't take it seriously.  I guess you could treat it as a roller coaster ride.

So yeah, the special effects are awesome.  I must admit that I get a little tired when people complain about the quantity of effects.  I mean, it's a space movie!  If you have a lower tech way of depicting a high tech galactic empire I'd like to hear it.

Oh, and for those who hate Jar Jar: you might be pleased that he has no speaking part in the movie.

And in response to what monkydang said a while ago about how we would've liked the prequel movies better in the 70s; I can see a point in that.  I mean, it could be argued that Lucas used muppets and cardboard ships as much as he's using computer graphics now.  I wonder what life would be like if the Star Wars movies were made and released in chronological order?  Would Jar Jar have become a beloved pop figure, while Chewbacca became the annoying freak? ???

P.S. As far as special effects laden epic trilogies go, I thought Lord of the Rings was better anyway. ::)


Title: Re: Episode 3
Post by: Baltar on June 04, 2005, 04:54:07 am
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Revenge of the Sith was definitely better than the first two.  The thing is, the movie's probably most enjoyable if you don't take it seriously.  I guess you could treat it as a roller coaster ride.


The problem is that the movie takes itself too seriously.  You'll notice that in the original trilogy Han, C3PO, and R2D2 did a heck of alot to lighten the mood.  What few attempts at humor this movie made were not very good, and they were certainly few and far between.  Also the actors' perfomances lend themselves to the ridiculously serious tone of the movie.  I think this is largely the directors fault--most of these actors are well established and capable in other roles.

...and it is pretty hard to call this a 'roller coaster ride' when you've already seen all the FX sequences in the trailer for the damn movie;)  There wasn't that much action in this movie, and what action we did see is done far better in other movies.

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So yeah, the special effects are awesome.  I must admit that I get a little tired when people complain about the quantity of effects.  I mean, it's a space movie!


uuuhh...no they weren't.  It isn't just 'quantity' that people complain about, it is how 'busy' some scenes become--that is an issue of direction, not FX quantity.

And also there are sequences that would have been better without and beg the question why were they used there to begin with.  Two examples are Dooku leaping over the railing on the observation deck and the background clone troopers while Obi-Wan was planning his visit to Utapou (sp?).  They used CG stand-ins unecessarily and didn't even pull them off very well.  They were clearly CG characters instead of actors and didn't 'look right' at all.

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If you have a lower tech way of depicting a high tech galactic empire I'd like to hear it.


Try the pre-Special Edition version of the classic Star Wars trilogy...

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And in response to what monkydang said a while ago about how we would've liked the prequel movies better in the 70s; I can see a point in that.  I mean, it could be argued that Lucas used muppets and cardboard ships as much as he's using computer graphics now.  I wonder what life would be like if the Star Wars movies were made and released in chronological order?  Would Jar Jar have become a beloved pop figure, while Chewbacca became the annoying freak? Huh


NO.  The classic trilogy has much superior writing and acting.  They are rightfully classic movies that appeal to a much broader audience than the shallow prequel nonsense.