Title: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on November 10, 2002, 09:16:12 pm What is the exact nature of the CR/LF problems you mention in the TODO file? Are they going into the repository when they shouldn't be, or coming out of the repository w/o them when they should be??
If it's the former case, I've got a perl script that you can jam into CVSROOT to handle stripping unwanted characters out when you don't want them. Used it for many months on some fairly big projects, so it's tested. If it's the latter case, never mind. ;) Also, wrt other items in the TODO list, I might be able to help you cook an ISO image for a bootable Linux CD once someone can explain how one intends to save games to a read-only medium :D Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: meep-eep on November 11, 2002, 04:30:46 pm We'd want files with DOS format line endings to be automatically translated.
A script in CVSROOT would be the normal way to do that, but cvs needs to be told to use them, which is done by the -t switch in cvswrappers, which, as the rest of the item in TODO reads, is disabled on sourceforge. It's not really a problem anymore though, as everyone commits with unix file endings nowadays. About the ISO image, there was someone else who was working on that, but I haven't heard about it for a while. The save games and configation files would ofcourse be stored on the hard disk itself. (or if you want, a floppy). It might look for some standard locations on boot, or it could ask for a location. Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: Nic. on November 11, 2002, 06:08:30 pm Quote A script in CVSROOT would be the normal way to do that, but cvs needs to be told to use them, which is done by the -t switch in cvswrappers, which, as the rest of the item in TODO reads, is disabled on sourceforge. If commitinfo files aren't disabled, then you can still run a pre-process on the files beofre they go in; in fact that's where my script lives. At the very least, it ensures against needless diffs due to EOL mismatches.. Quote The save games and configation files would ofcourse be stored on the hard disk itself. (or if you want, a floppy). That's what I would have figured, but from what I've read <http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver> you're stuffed if the user has an exclusively NTFS setup, and would be forced to use floppies. Kind of a bad deal, but I could come up with some manner of over-wrought scheme involving ramdisks and synchronizing floppy filesystems in the background if there's serious interest in this kind of thing.. (in other words, I'm eager to help) :) Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: meep-eep on November 11, 2002, 08:09:25 pm Quote If commitinfo files aren't disabled, then you can still run a pre-process on the files beofre they go in; in fact that's where my script lives. At the very least, it ensures against needless diffs due to EOL mismatches. Hmm... sounds like a good solution. I'll give it a try. Quote That's what I would have figured, but from what I've read <http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/status.html#ntfsdriver> you're stuffed if the user has an exclusively NTFS setup, and would be forced to use floppies. Kind of a bad deal, but I could come up with some manner of over-wrought scheme involving ramdisks and synchronizing floppy filesystems in the background if there's serious interest in this kind of thing.. (in other words, I'm eager to help) ramdisks and synchronizing floppy filesystems? Why not mount the floppy to use synchronous I/O? Anyhow, if you're interested in helping, it would be a good idea to come in in the #sc2 channel on irc.freenode.org, and have a chat. Title: got a cd-burner and nothing better to do? Post by: Nic. on April 12, 2003, 10:52:49 am Quote Also, wrt other items in the TODO list, I might be able to help you cook an ISO image for a bootable Linux CD once someone can explain how one intends to save games to a read-only medium :D Since I got frustrated with staring at the UQM code and not being able to figure how how to do what I wanted to do, and since the patches I do submit to the coredev guys are just stacking up in Bugzilla anyways, (you'd think they had day jobs or something ;) ) I decided to spend a little time doing what I really love to do - gluing together software packages to make them do something fun. Hence, the bootable CD image of UQM! http://www.submedia.net/uqm/uqm.iso.gz (8.4MB download) For details on how it "works", see Bugzilla Bug #298 (http://uqm.stack.nl/cgi-bin/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=298), but for the most part I'm interested in people trying this out, and telling me when/how it breaks on them. So, if you've got a CD burner and nothing better to do for a while, give it a shot. At the bare minimum, it may prove a handy way to bring Super-Melee over to a friends' house. :) Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: Chad on April 15, 2003, 04:10:40 am Hey Nic,
I tried this out.... worked like a charm... with Music and all (I have an original SB Live! card!) Only tried Melee... when exiting it said something about SVGALib.conf (actually, I can't remember the file name for sure, but it was something about vga and lib) could not be found at a specific path /nic/xx/xxxx/xxx etc... Also said the mouse could not be initialized. BTW, what version is this? 0.2 or some version b/w 0.2 and 0.3? Still, pretty cool... I'll have to throw this in my laptop bag ;D Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: Nic. on April 15, 2003, 05:32:33 pm Quote I tried this out.... worked like a charm... with Music and all (I have an original SB Live! card!) <mr lastname="burns"> Excellent. </mr> I'm re-working the way sound support is done by the CD; so either it'll stop working on the next pass, or it'll work for nearly everyone. :) Quote Only tried Melee... when exiting it said something about SVGALib.conf (actually, I can't remember the file name for sure, but it was something about vga and lib) could not be found at a specific path /nic/xx/xxxx/xxx etc... Also said the mouse could not be initialized. The first error message is getting truncated, the part you're not seeing says "using safe defaults", which means it's a "benign" error; but I'll make sure that libsvga looks in a sane location for the config files, and put some configs where they are expected. As for the second message -- yep, it'll do that. I didn't build mouse support into the kernel, since the game doesn't use the mouse. For similar reasons I also left out PCMCIA, HAM radio and 8-way serial port support. ;) Quote BTW, what version is this? 0.2 or some version b/w 0.2 and 0.3? It's a stock 0.2, except for a small edit to hide the mouse pointer in fullscreen mode. If it were any newer, you'd see the version number in the lower-right corner of the opening menu. I'm seriously considering bringing it up to 0.21, because 0.2 leaks memory like it's going out of style, and 0.21 corrects some of the more egregious cases of that; but then it's a question of whether or not to apply all the not-yet-in-CVS patches in Bugzilla as well, and I didn't want to go there.. Title: Re: CR/LF problems? Post by: Nic. on April 18, 2003, 12:21:02 pm Update: I have a swank new CD image available for download here:
http://www.submedia.net/uqm/uqm.iso.gz This version probes your audio hardware on startup and attempts to load the proper driver, if it fails to figure out what manner of soundcard you have, it tries a SoundBlaster-compatible driver (if all else fails it will run the game in "no sound" mode) It also launches the game automatically, and will respawn the game if it terminates. Very nice for demo purposes. Ctrl-Alt-F2 will show you the debug output from the game. Ctrl-Alt-F3 will spawn an "emergency shell", that you can use to putter around the system, mount/unmount disks, etc. Ctrl-Alt-F1 returns you to the game console. On "slow" machines (< 1000 BogoMIPS) it will run the game w/o scaling, on "fast" machines it will run the game with bilinear scaling. Aside from adding support for saving games to a "non-volatile" medium (e.g., floppies or local HDD), I think this one can be considered "mostly-feature-complete". If you've got a CD burner and some time to spare, please try it and let me know what you think. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Chad on April 22, 2003, 08:24:00 am Am I the only one trying these out? ;)
I just tried the updated version and it worked great. Melee was all I tried. Sound worked fine and I exited it by hitting F12 and it started right back up again. I guess my machine is a "Fast" one as it enabled scaling :P This is a cool thing, keep it up! ;D Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on April 22, 2003, 08:57:41 pm Quote Am I the only one trying these out? ;) Just about.. :) I'm guessing most of the "disinterest" in this sub-project is:
The second one is tricky, because there is no reliable r/w access to NTFS filesystems under Linux (thanks for not releasing a spec, Microsoft!) and newer PCs are shipping without floppy drives in them, leaving me with nowhere to stash files permanently. I've got a few really bad ideas on how to cope with this, but I'm hoping that I'll have some good ones to replace them soon. :) As for the third... Maybe it's better that it's so quiet over here.. :P Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Novus on April 22, 2003, 09:53:44 pm Quote I'm guessing most of the "disinterest" in this sub-project is: How about:
Quote The second one is tricky, because there is no reliable r/w access to NTFS filesystems under Linux (thanks for not releasing a spec, Microsoft!) and newer PCs are shipping without floppy drives in them, leaving me with nowhere to stash files permanently. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: meep-eep on April 23, 2003, 12:07:02 am Well, I like it. It's easy to carry with you to show other people the game.
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Novus on April 23, 2003, 12:45:58 pm Quote Well, I like it. It's easy to carry with you to show other people the game. True. Personally, I'll start the propaganda drive when I don't need to say "Oh yeah, there should be [missing part] here, but it hasn't been implemented yet." all the time when showing this to someone.Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: MrMorden on April 23, 2003, 03:18:37 pm Just for the coolness I had to try this.
Unfortionately the game doesn't respond when pressing any keys on my Compaq Presario Notebook. Not even if I attach an external keyboard it responds. Although the game seems to run, shifting beteween the load/save/melee and the title screen. On another (stationary) machine it worked just fine although slower then running the game under Win98SE. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on April 23, 2003, 08:00:20 pm I find this quite ironic: The kernel configuration that I based this on originally ran on a Dell Latitude and a Toshiba Portege, (in fact it is still running on both of them, and rather well at that) neither of which had any problems with keyboard detection; however, when I attempted to run it on my desktop (ATX mombo) it refused to detect my keyboard until I installed full USB HID support (for posterity, I have a PS/2 keyboard. Makes no sense? I know.). So, foreseeing problems, I poured through the kernel configs and turned on every feature that looked like it might be even remotely related to driving the keyboard, and yet there are still computers who can't find their keyboards. *sigh*
I do see some keyboard-related fixes in the newest stable Linux kernel, so I'll look into updating that to see if it corrects anything, and perhaps I'll stick the CVS version of UQM on the CD to alleviate one of the other concerns voiced so far. :) The "slow" may be because it's not using OpenGL, and if it thinks your machine can take it, it will enable bilinear scaling (which since it's not using OpenGL, is not hardware-accelerated); not a whole lot that can be done there until there's a seperate config program (and a place to permanently write config files, reliably) Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: miri on May 07, 2003, 01:38:58 pm Hi!
I just wanted to say that it's a great idea to make a bootable cd with UQM that I can carry around. I tried it though and it didn't work for me: right after it says "Loading initrd.lrd................" it reboots my machine. Here's some info on my machine. AMD K6-2 300mhz 192mb ram one cd-rom drive (lite-on 48x24x48x) two hard drives, 4gb seagates both Great work though, I'm sure this is only marginal ! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on September 23, 2003, 09:50:16 pm *bump* I have made a new CD image for the 0.3 alpha, available for download here:
http://www.submedia.net/uqm/uqm.iso.gz Thanks to the new features allowing for the content to be placed inside ZIP files, this one loads pretty quickly compared to 0.2, and has much greater stability. Other than that, it is basically identical to the 0.2 CD image. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 24, 2003, 05:34:23 pm Dammit! Two reasons:
1. I haven't read this part of the technical issues before (i seldom look here, mostly in general discussion) 2. I'm at the wrong computer right now. But I'll make sure to burn it before friday and test it over the next week. I hope to remember to tell you in oneandahalf week how it went on my portable and the desktop. But i do think your project is absolutly great!! Just the idea of not having to install anything (especially after 1.0) and just play away is more than enough for me to support your work! Go for it, Nic.! BTW: I'm windows-user. Does the .gz file needs to be unpacked? Can either WinZip or WinRAR handle that? I know how to burn iso-files, but i do not know if .gz is a Linux-only filetype. Thanks for your work Nic.! And big thanks to all other coders, remixers and.... Edit: Do you plan a complete version after release 1.0 with the remixes and other stuff available at that time to make it one big 650 MB iso? It would make it just sweeter for me! No real need for it, but just dreaming.... Thanks anyway! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Novus on September 24, 2003, 06:51:01 pm Quote Dammit! Two reasons: BTW: I'm windows-user. Does the .gz file needs to be unpacked? Can either WinZip or WinRAR handle that? I know how to burn iso-files, but i do not know if .gz is a Linux-only filetype. Thanks for your work Nic.! WinZip handles .gz in my experience. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 24, 2003, 07:06:44 pm Thanks Novus!
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on September 24, 2003, 07:15:04 pm Yes, WinZip should know what to do with gzip files, but if for some reason it doesn't (or you don't want to get WinZip) you can download gzip for win32 here:
http://www.gzip.org/#exe ...and to answer your question, yes I intend to make a "full" CD image once I get the bugs shaken out. Making people download hundreds of megs at this point for something that might not work at all is a wee bit premature.. ;) Somewhat Related to the Topic at Hand: I'm beginning to consider moving away from the stock kernel.org (http://www.kernel.org/) Linux kernels for the CD and using one from Debian, SuSE or RedHat instead. The stock kernel.org tree has quite nice hardware support, but there are reports of machines not being able to find their keyboards with the kernel I've built, and the sheer volume of patches in RedHat's kernel distribution alone makes me think that I'd have better chances of seeing "full coverage" if I went with them (or another vendor) instead. For the "large Linux shop" crowd: of all the 2.4.x kernels out there, which has had the best support for weird hardware that you've seen? Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 24, 2003, 07:47:34 pm Another thank you, Nic..
I understood why you released small images at first. Re. "full version": It has just been a question. Thanks for answering that one as well. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: MrMorden on September 25, 2003, 01:22:54 pm I'm one of the ones with a keyboard detection probem. Just wanted to report that it is still there in the 0.3 version.
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 25, 2003, 09:37:41 pm Quote http://www.gzip.org/#exe Tried it, got an error message:"gunzip: uqm.iso.gz: not in gzip format" I'm trying a new d/l to test again... Edit: How big is the file? IE (6.0.2600) started a 12.8 MB d/l and ended up with a 18.7 MB file. Normally i use Mozilla, but it's not installed on this PC (and it never will, since this is not mine). Edit: The errormessage remains... I'll just burn it without decompression (by just renaming and removing .gz) Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 25, 2003, 11:00:13 pm Cool it worked!!!!
Either it was MS IE or your provider has a script running. I simply truncated the filename to uqm.iso and burned that as an iso with Nero5.0 and the CD worked. Keyboard detection and sound is fine! Lovely. Again: Thanks Nic.! The more difficult PCs will be tested during next week. CU, Martin Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on September 25, 2003, 11:47:59 pm Quote Edit: How big is the file? IE (6.0.2600) started a 12.8 MB d/l and ended up with a 18.7 MB file. Normally i use Mozilla, but it's not installed on this PC (and it never will, since this is not mine). God bless Microsoft. This would be Internet Exploder trying to "help" you by decompressing the stream inline. Of course, in order for that to be even marginally useful, it would need to rename the file to something without a .gz suffix, and it doesn't do that; so there you are. I see that you already figured this part out however, but I figured an explanation of what was going on might make your day a little better. :) I'm glad it works for you. Keep me posted. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on September 26, 2003, 01:42:58 pm To clarify: next week i'll be on trip w/o INetconnection. But being able to test several computers. I'll post during the week after next week.... (Going on route with several friends and Portable PCs).
Have a beautiful weeken, a successful week and another nice weekend! Martin Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 02, 2003, 01:29:39 pm Okay have one for a few moments:
On most PC's it works fine (just testet if able to play Melee, though). 1 system did not boot (Intel Celeron II 333 MHz, Award Modular BIOS v. 4.51PG) Errormessage follows: Quote [....] But what to do with this console i do not know... (Sorry, this is basically my first linux-contact...hub.c: [...] usb.c: [...] LinuxRC: Installing - root(nf!) etc(nf!) modules(nf!) log(nf!) - Finished cat: /var/lib/lrpkg/root.pn.links: No such file or directory cat: /var/lib/lrpkg/root.log.links: No such file or directory .: Can't open cat: /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own .: Can't open cat: /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.mod init started: Busy-Box v 0.60.5 (2003.04.10-00:22+0000) multi-call library Bummer, could not run '/etc/init.d/rcS': No such file or directory please press Enter to activate this console. 1 other computer thoroughly tested: Mobile AMD Athlon 4 1600+ American Megatrends BIOS Ver 1.13s works fine with sound, built in Keyboard and external USB-Keyboard (from Logitech). But saves are lost after reboot (perhaps in the next version? fighting the Sa-Matra is hard to reach without pause). After 6 or 7 hours (if in pause or speech or continued play does not matter) system crashes. Last time it happened when entering a starsystem by leaving hyperspace. That's when i stopped playing this version (although it is great to play where i want!). For Melee it is superb, for the game you need permanent saves.... Thanks, Nic.!!! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 02, 2003, 10:23:46 pm Quote 1 system did not boot (Intel Celeron II 333 MHz, Award Modular BIOS v. 4.51PG) Errormessage follows: The best part about that is that I know you had to type all of that in by hand. Now THAT'S dedication. :) From what I can infer, the system got enough of itself booted to try and finish loading its data from the CD-ROM, but it couldn't find the CD-ROM and freaked. This computer wouldn't happen to have SCSI disks on it, would it? Putting SCSI disks on a Celeron is kindof like putting nitrous tanks on a Geo Metro, so I'm skeptical, but if the booting CD-ROM wasn't an IDE drive and/or didn't speak ATAPI, the bootscripts wouldn't know what to do. Sorry, but I only have IDE to test with, so that's all I can "support" right now. :( Quote But what to do with this console i do not know... (Sorry, this is basically my first linux-contact... Not much to see there, anyhow. It's a pretty "stripped down" Linux system; wanted to keep all the resources I could free for UQM. :) Quote But saves are lost after reboot (perhaps in the next version? fighting the Sa-Matra is hard to reach without pause). After 6 or 7 hours (if in pause or speech or continued play does not matter) system crashes. Last time it happened when entering a starsystem by leaving hyperspace. That's when i stopped playing this version (although it is great to play where i want!).
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 03, 2003, 12:05:59 am Quote The best part about that is that I know you had to type all of that in by hand. Now THAT'S dedication. :) Well after all your work... And it IS my favourite game after all... And 10fingertyping helps...Quote This computer wouldn't happen to have SCSI disks on it, would it? Putting SCSI disks on a Celeron is kindof like putting nitrous tanks on a Geo Metro, so I'm skeptical, but if the booting CD-ROM wasn't an IDE drive and/or didn't speak ATAPI, the bootscripts wouldn't know what to do. Sorry, but I only have IDE to test with, so that's all I can "support" right now. :( Well it does due to certain circumstances 8it is my old one with _all_ my old CD-ROMdrives after all (including one 2xCD-Burner from the old times when SCSI were the only decent working ones....Quote Not much to see there, anyhow. It's a pretty "stripped down" Linux system; wanted to keep all the resources I could free for UQM. :) expected that since you mentioned it as minimalized system before. Therefor i did not try until you would tell me what to do there (well okay, i did peak around, but found nothing informative to me).Regarding saves: i understand your concerns and the trouble implementing it before you reach a better testing version (this one is still one of the first after all...) But floppies are seeing what is standing here still on most systems, even new ones. Your Linux does still have minimal USB support? You could try implementing USB-memorystick or USB-Zip-drives or similar... Nearly everyone of my friends owns at least a USBmemorystick. Most even own external USB CD-ROM-Burners or ZIPs. Regarding crash: The system freezes with sound skipping (repeats loop every 12 to 15 seconds). Game does not miraciously restart (it does so when exiting, as you already mentioned some posts before) but with a restart saves are still there, that would be no problem. The system even hangs if i exit the game every oneandahalf hours and reload. (Note: all this counts for my mobile only, on the other systems the people are mostly killing each other (Edit: to clarify: Doom and other games like that), they stopped meleeing after they've seen Timewarp. They do prefer Timewarps' melee (mostly thanks to the graphics, some even like the weird ships offered there). Greetings, Martin PS: Until the first crash I've sold the egg-case fragments for a shiny new mauler, and were on my way to get hold of the bomb, afterwards i mostly paused the game and waited six hours and continued then. This lead mostly nowhere, but the crash remained.... Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Megagun on October 06, 2003, 05:37:04 pm umm..
any tips on creating a boot FLOPPY? or do i just have bad luck that my %^$%$$%^$% bios doesnt allow me (yet even DETECT my cd-rom drive!) to use my cdrom drive as a boot device..? still: good job! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 06, 2003, 06:44:07 pm Maybe you need to change the boot-order drom IDE0->CD-ROM to CD-ROM->IDE0 (the FLOPPY will also be somewhere in that order) in the BIOS-Setup (nearly always under Advanced BIOS or Advanced CMOS Settings). If you wish to boot from CD-ROM, the CD-ROM must be searched before the HDD is searched for a bootable partition.
Most elder systems (Pentium MMX and slower) did not allow CD-ROM boot, but all newer systems should allow it. Note: for security reasons, my mobile PC has the boot-order IDE0 -> NONE -> NONE, if i want to play on my mobile, i need to go to the bios setup first. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Megagun on October 06, 2003, 10:53:22 pm hmm.. it just doesnt let me...
when i go into BIOS mode, it never mentions that i have a cdrom drive (not even in the system specs thingy!) so when i even try to change it, it mumbles that i dont even have a cdrom drive, which i (ofcourse) have.. and: my system should be able to boot from cdrom, if my bios lets me configure it that way.... it just doesnt let me! :( Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 07, 2003, 07:42:53 pm I'm not a specialist (try and error settingschanger),
but some BIOS-systems set the CD-ROM drives on IDE1, IDE2 or IDE3 (depends on your number of HDD-drives), because they detect something there but do not recognize CD-ROM-drives different than HDD-drives (simple detection if there is a media or not connected). During startup, does your BIOS write lines on the screen what he detects, or stays the screen after memorycheck blank until the OS loads? Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 08, 2003, 03:20:24 am The "whole system crashing" phenomenon I'm going to have to blame on SVGAlib. The specific kernel revision that the game uses has logged about 1 year of continuous uptime on my grandmother's computer, and about 3 months of uptime on another machine that I have it installed on (would be longer but for a self-induced power outage, don't ask) so I know from experience that it's solid. On the other hand, I remember using SVGAlib circa 1996, and I recall that had a nasty habit of crashing and taking down the entire computer with it; although it has undoubtedly improved since I last dealt with it, I'm skeptical that it has fully kicked that habit.
If your BIOS cannot see your CD-ROM, then there is no way to boot from it, and as such no way to boot into UQM. A BIOS upgrade (check the website for your motherboard manufacturer) and/or a new CD-ROM might be able to get you where you need to be, but if you're not up for that kind of headache, just stick with the "native" version; it's got more features than the CD-ROM version at this point anyhow.. A boot floppy is entirely possible -- I took my inspiration (and more than a little code) from the Bering LEAF distribution (http://leaf.sf.net/) which does still fit nicely on floppies as far as I know. It may make an interesting exercise to pull apart a LEAF boot floppy, make it detect the CD-ROM, and load the game from it. Let me know how that works out. :) Title: Yeah, i even have 2... Post by: Krulle on October 08, 2003, 09:24:32 pm SVGAlib could be the reason for the freeze. That's why i hope you will support floppy-saves in the next version....
Anyway it is great to Melee.... I gotta take a look if i can bring timewarp on a boot-CD for myself, since i like taking games and play everywhere without bothering about the installed OS.... Anyway, i hope I've been a help testing, ask again anytime! (hoping that it becomes better and better each time you ask for testers...) ;) I do not mind if you wait for version 0.4 or so (since the resource system changes) or for a loaderprogram for linux (which could make the "fullversion with addons" better accessible). I really like your work and must say thanks again, Nic.! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Michael Martin on October 09, 2003, 09:20:27 am Launcher for *nix: Work out your favored command line options.
Put them in a shell script. Put the shell script in /usr/local/bin or whereever. You win! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 09, 2003, 02:02:33 pm Did that with windows in a .bat file but with a bootable CD-ROM it seems less easy, especially if your only used to windows and are burning an image d/l from the net. And usually there are switches, because some people like it different...
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Hory on October 11, 2003, 03:49:31 am It would be nice to have an ISO of the final version (when it will be available), with speech and music (and even 3DO music for you know what kind of a release). And bootable, of course :). Yep, a UQM CD, that would have it's own jewel case and sit near all the other Full CDs in someone's collection...
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Hory on October 11, 2003, 03:53:52 am In the previous post, 3DO music should have been 3DO movies.....
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 13, 2003, 10:45:14 am The CD image is new and improved (maybe)!
The CD is now using kernel version 2.4.22 with patches from Alan Cox. As Alan appeared to be maintaining a few fixes related to funky keyboard support, I figured his might be a good one to try. If you were having problems with keyboard detection before, try the new version and see if they are magically resolved. I also decided to turn on APM support, because I really like to type "poweroff" at a console and have the right thing happen; :) but this is reportedly problematic on certain machines. If people report more crashing than before I'll turn this off, but if not, it's always fun to have more features than less. Download here: http://www.submedia.net/uqm/uqm.iso.gz Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 13, 2003, 02:28:08 pm APM is not really needed since it is a boot CD. For me it does not matter if i just shut off or if i need to quit every program to make the computer shut itself off (since HDD is not needed, there is not much risk of losing data here).
But, just for the kid in me, I'd like everey possible notcrashing feature. Thanks, Nic.! BTW: It might take a while until i can test it.... Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 14, 2003, 12:38:37 pm I just updated the CD image yet again, this time I added rudimentary support for saving games to floppy disks. Hooray.
Caveats:
How it works in a nutshell is that before starting the game, it will look on the A: drive and see if it has a disk inserted labelled "UQM_SAVES". If it does, it will attempt to use it; if not, it will ignore the floppy drive. Switching disks mid-game will yield undefined results; if you want to switch disks, hit F12 to reset the game after you do. Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 14, 2003, 01:50:05 pm 8) Cool! Great! Gotta fetch a disk and start (by tomorrow). Thanks, Nic.!
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Megagun on October 15, 2003, 01:23:53 am nice :)
too bad im not really able to test it on my fast computers (bootable-cd only work on my slowest one :(, still nice to hear this small project going on.. :) ) Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on October 17, 2003, 05:39:08 pm Quote I also decided to turn on APM support, because I really like to type "poweroff" at a console and have the right thing happen; :) [...] Ain't your shell supposed to restart UQM whenever UQM is quitted? Therefor we should not be able to enter something into the console...Quote
You mean "UQM_SAVE.S"?? (8letter restriction!) Did not try yet (have a damn lot of work to do here, and i'm getting nowhere... :( ) Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 17, 2003, 07:14:37 pm Quote Ain't your shell supposed to restart UQM whenever UQM is quitted? Therefor we should not be able to enter something into the console... Ctrl+Alt+F3 will switch you to a console where you can poke around the system, fix stuff, break stuff, or whatever. I kept typing "poweroff" in that console out of habit, and since code is easier to fix than habits... ;) Quote You mean "UQM_SAVE.S"?? (8letter restriction!) FAT12 volume labels are restricted to 11 chars, and . is an "illegal" character unless you're using VFAT or non-MS tools to label the disk (i.e., FORMAT.COM from DOS 6.22 will not let you name a disk "UQM_SAVE.S" but will let you name it "UQM_SAVES") I'm thinking future revisions of the CD will include mtools so that people can make save disks from inside the CD, but floppy saves are kindof a stopgap solution until I figure out a "nice" way to save to hard disks; so that may ultimately be unnecessary. Title: Thanks, Nic.! Post by: Krulle on October 17, 2003, 07:48:07 pm Yeah rigth!
I messed that up with Directories... Sorry about that... BTW: for me disk support is all i need. How many saves do you guess will fit? Hmm, don't mind, i'll try at home. BTW: next week weill be hard for me, so don't expect an answer too soon... Best wishes! Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Nic. on October 17, 2003, 09:30:18 pm I don't know how many saves a 1.44MB floppy will hold when the "new" XML-based savegame format is finished, but the "old" (currently in-use) savegame format takes less than 3k per savegame, so I'd wager that you could save about 450 games with it, and still have room for some custom teams in melee. :)
Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on November 03, 2003, 07:18:48 pm Sorry Nic.
Some dumb ___ broke into my car and picked some things. That took some time the last two weeks to fix, so that UQM-bootROM just lay around unused. I'll come to it in time, whenever that may be I'll try (and i'm positive that it'll work, since it booted fine after i burned the ROM). Grretings, Martin Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: J on December 09, 2003, 03:44:04 am I think save to FTP is a good idea.
Also, there is a new wrapper for microsoft NTFS driver out, that allows full read/write support for NTFS on linux.. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ (http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/) Dont know about distribution issues, being that it uses the MS driver directly. One would think if you already owned windows it would be legal ? Title: Re: got a cd-burner? (was: CR/LF problems?) Post by: Krulle on January 15, 2004, 03:46:05 pm Cool Nic.!
it works! I played very slowly By now i have: sun device (no Chmmr - yet), Vux-Beast (the Maidens are still on board), nearly - repaired Ultron. Bad luck the floppy got some bad-sectors over the week-end. Me thinks, most saves are broken. So i guess i have to start again. But I'll wait for UQM 0.4 to start anew. Keep it up to date - please. If you have the time, that is. Bye, Krulle Sorry for the late answer, but real life crushed down on me, and it still gets harder for me to leave the computer for work, so in my free time i stopped using PCs at all. |