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Title: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on April 17, 2006, 02:20:24 am
A few days ago, Toys for Bob, the creators of Star Control 1 and 2 (but not 3) made it known that they were in talks with the Powers That Be at Activision about what their next game should be.

They decided that the stars are right for a new Star Control, and they're asking for our help in convincing Activision to let them make one. If we can send them support, they can show that to Activision as a powerful argument.

I've set up a petition page (http://sc2.sourceforge.net/) where you can find more info, as well as a form where you can send a mail directly from your browser.
You can also find their postal address there; a snail-mail letter is bound to carry more weight.

Please spread the word.

Note that the petition page on the Pages of Now and Forever mentioned in the original announcement on the Toys For Bob website (http://www.toysforbob.com/) is old and broken. Use the form on the petition website, or mail 'alex at toysforbob.directly' directly.

UPDATE: Alex Ness from Toys for Bob is making a map with photographs of Star Control fans from all over the world, to show Activision that there is world-wide support for a new Star Control, and to make sure that Star Control gets talked about whenever someone from Activision visits the office. You can read about it here (http://sc2.sourceforge.net/#photomap).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Terrell on April 18, 2006, 08:41:28 am
I hope that Toys for Bob is successful in getting another Star Control game made, especially a true sequel to SC 2.  When you're successful in getting a new SC game made, in the super melee could toys for bob, please allow choices from all the star control games?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Staffy Star on April 18, 2006, 08:39:58 pm
How come this thread only have 2 posts? Doesnt people know what a big thing this is!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on April 18, 2006, 08:53:48 pm
There were a couple of other (http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2949.0) threads (http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=2956.0), in which much more has been posted, but as created a new clean one, with a better exposition of what was going on, and locked the others.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Megagun on April 18, 2006, 09:28:22 pm
Alex Ness actually posted another newspost over at Toys for Bob! Go read!

Not much more other than "Thanks!", though..


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: sly on April 19, 2006, 02:36:22 am
Well, just wanted to post how glad I am for hearing about these news.

i have allready sent an email to tfb and even posted several threads about this subject in hebrew on israely forums.

wish ya luck.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: guesst on April 19, 2006, 06:32:47 am
So now that we've all dried the pee out of our jockeys and had time to calm down, and now that every other thread on this topic has been locked, I feel like we need to intelegently sit down and discuss this thing. Let's establish a few things first:
  • OMG, this rocks
  • It's only in the rolling it around the office stage
  • I know, but OMG, wouldn't this rock!
  • Yes, it indeed would rock
  • Wait a minute, I'm gone for a week and now everyones talking about a sequel. WTH? That would so totally rock!
  • Okay, who let the newbe in?

So, now that that's out of the way, what do FF & PR3 think about this? Has anyone gotten their opinion on this? I mean, I completely feel this would make me happy, but really, can they pull another rabbit out of their hat so many years later?

Wishfully thinking, however, this all could be a marketing ploy. They've already secretly been working on the project for a year now and are trying to stir us up to a commercially exploitable frenzy. In which case...

OMG THIS WOULD SO TOTALLY ROCK! I'M GOING TO EB GAMES NOW TO PUT MY COPY ON ADVANCE-ADVANCE RESERVE!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Elerium on April 19, 2006, 08:16:47 pm
OMG THIS WOULD SO TOTALLY ROCK! I'M GOING TO EB GAMES NOW TO PUT MY COPY ON ADVANCE-ADVANCE RESERVE!

Ditto!  :D


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Arne on April 20, 2006, 08:36:11 am
I think I might snail them a paper with happy drawings as encouragement.

However, I'm both very excited and very scared of what they'll have to do to make the game survivable in today's market.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on April 20, 2006, 03:48:50 pm
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However, I'm both very excited and very scared of what they'll have to do to make the game survivable in today's market.

Yea, and their last game was a children's game. . .


"Ha-Hi kids! I'm Captain Doodlepuss of the Spathi Eluder Candicorn! Oh boy, have I got a mission for you! Go to planet Sand Box, and catch all the fuzzy space bunnies using these stun ball guns!"


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: TiLT on April 20, 2006, 06:10:49 pm
Ironically, that wouldn't be out of place in a Star Control game.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pyro411 on April 20, 2006, 06:21:56 pm
I'm quiet Stoked about this as well.  :-)  UQM reminded me of the good ole days of when I was in Electronic/computer repair classes back in 1997-99

Now my question is... would it be for a game console, if so which one, or will it be for the PC :-) and have the nice lander exploit lol.

now I have another fun thing to wait for :-)  I'm waiting for the pre-order to come around.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Ian on April 27, 2006, 06:16:08 pm
Let us pray and hope for a proper SC game, and that we may finaly move on from the trainwreck that is SC3, which is not canon, or ever happened.

Hopes rising....


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: NamelessPlayer on April 28, 2006, 10:31:36 pm
I'm not sure what got me addicted to SC2, but I think part of it has to do with the voices, the storyline, and the overall zaniness of the world, not to mention the combat. Oh, and the game seems to have nailed the atmosphere right, too. The music sure helped a lot with that.

While most of the voices could use refinement, if they change the Spathi voice from how I heard it in UQM 0.4.0, there will be blood. BLOOD, I TELL YOU!

So, I guess I could propose these guidelines:

-More witty dialogue!
-More addictive combat with multiplayer options!
-More unique races with their own charm!
-More of the best music ever to grace gaming!
-More Frungy!
-More Fwiffo!

I think that's about it...it's probably due to how well everything melds in SC2 that contributes to gaming bliss. Even if they do make some crazy change, if it's executed well...

...okay, my post doesn't make much sense, but bear with me. I may be newer to the SC scene, but I love this game just as much as you all do.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: RTyp06 on April 29, 2006, 04:27:11 pm
Personally ,I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of SC2 (updating to today's gaming standards) rather than a sequal. A remake could have everything we love ,updated, and still have totally new added content (without getting too carried away). Landing on planets could envolve a "lunar lander" style option. The universe could be gentely scrambled for a unique game experience every time. Many new quests could be added as an addition to the classic game and it's story/timeline. Basicly take what rocks about the existing SC2 and make it better. The story, the universe, the 2D meele, etc...

SC3 is a perfect example of what could go wrong with a sequal and should be avoided at all costs IMO.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: gasa70 on May 16, 2006, 06:36:13 pm
I've personallu never played star control 1, but I have played the Ur-QUan Masters, and I'm pretty hopeful....I've never played Star Control 3, or know what's so bad about it, but I do know this: That Puppets are CRAP.
Thankyou.
lol


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: guesst on May 20, 2006, 06:46:29 am
www.abandonia.com
Starcontrol 3 is on the front page right now and you can download and play it there.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: swbf on May 28, 2006, 08:01:45 am
Hey, I know toys for bob would of most likely posted any new info on the situation on their website, but why the hell haven't we heard anything new? Is this bad? I am afraid......


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on May 28, 2006, 05:16:58 pm
Hey, I know toys for bob would of most likely posted any new info on the situation on their website, but why the hell haven't we heard anything new? Is this bad? I am afraid......

There's really not much for them to post.  They did put a lot of emphasis on sending those e-mails.  I've been sending at least one e-mail every day, and I even mailed them a letter :D.  I don't know when they'll get it :D

Just keep sending those e-mails (to alexness@toysforbob.com), and hopefully TFB will convince Activision to create a new Star Control game!  They're the only ones who can make a Star Control game right. Spread the word in other forums, chatrooms, MSN screenname, etc.

Do not give up!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: MasterGrazzt on June 01, 2006, 04:58:27 pm
You know, I think that if a true sequel is made, it should be proudly and openly stated to the mainstream that it's a sequel to an old DOS game, one that even continues the storyline. Part of the marketing campaign should be that the original is now freeware. In fact, Star Control 1 and the latest version of UQM (unless of course your publisher stipulates that they gain the rights) should be packaged with the game, including the original manuals. I think that might create a sort of mystique around it. Not to mention that it's a pretty cinematic idea. It invokes the Star Wars sequels, which is probably a double edged sword, come to think of it. Still, the idea is worth considering!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Halleck on June 02, 2006, 10:27:58 am
Interesting... I've seen that model used before.. Like when all the Zork games were given out for free during the release of Zork: Grand Inquisitor, or how you can now get GTA and GTA2 for free off Rockstar's website.

I think that it's important for the game to appeal to both old fans and new gamers alike. People should be aware that it has predecessors, but perhaps it's unwise to make them feel like they are being excuded from something. Ideally, fans and the uninitiated will both able to pick up the game and enjoy it.  ;D

Of course, including SC1 and SC2 with the game will help new players to get into the series, but they shouldn't have to play through them just to figure out the new one.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Razorback on June 10, 2006, 11:48:47 am
The X-Box version of Doom 3 did the same thing, invluded Dooms 1 and 2 in the disc.  Wonder if the Doom3 expansion has the two extensions to Doom 2 on it. 


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pyro411 on June 22, 2006, 12:17:45 am
I think that it's important for the game to appeal to both old fans and new gamers alike. People should be aware that it has predecessors, but perhaps it's unwise to make them feel like they are being excuded from something. Ideally, fans and the uninitiated will both able to pick up the game and enjoy it.  ;D

Of course, including SC1 and SC2 with the game will help new players to get into the series, but they shouldn't have to play through them just to figure out the new one.

Hmm you know Halleck, they could always do what the makers of Shenmu "Spelling?" did for their 2nd installment they included a DVD which re-capped the storyline which happened in the first game.  That'll help get people up to speed who may have not played SC1/2 at all or haven't played it since the old dos days.

Either way, i'd be stoked to see a true TFB continuation of the story.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Megagun on July 03, 2006, 02:15:03 pm
Toys for bob site:

Jun 28 2006
OBGYN Kenobi


Hey, this is just a quick Star Control initiative update:  Emails and petition signings supporting that initiative I just mentioned continue to come in.  We're still a little short of that 1 million mark I wanted.  I guess that can just stay out of my car and into my dreams for a while.  My car isn't all that clean right now anyway.

We really do appreciate all of this support.  Besides helping us convince Activision that there is a fan base clammoring for this game, the emails really fire Paul up.  He's been brainstorming ideas on his spare time for a possible sequel and come up with some really cool stuff.

So are we actually going to make this thing?  We still don't know.  It's kind of like birds.  What are birds?  We really don't know.  The hope is that after we finish our current project, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, we can propose doing a Star Control sequel next.  Oh yeah, that's right, our current project is Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam for the Wii.  So now you know.  And knowing is half the battle.  You know what the other half of the battle is?  Battling.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Neonlare on July 03, 2006, 05:35:43 pm
This is good news indeed. Very good, I'll be looking forward to this!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Krulle on July 03, 2006, 06:46:25 pm
Go, Paul, Go!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: XR4-IT on July 28, 2006, 07:20:23 pm
I have not seen any new news on this subject for some time… What’s up.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Neonlare on July 29, 2006, 04:22:16 pm
Well considering they're working on Tony Hawks Downhill Jam right now I don't think they have enough time to work on SC3 (I refuse to call that piece of rotting crap a sequel) at the moment, but even when they do I wouldn't expect them to release details about it till an E-3 Show. Could be a show stealer, could have it someway in the middle that a Spathi comes up on footage and with a bar graph point out the fun factor of the history of Star Control (In the begining it'd slowly increase, SC2 would shoot up and then when it hits SC3 it crumbles and crashes, Spathi could say it couldn't get any worse than that and then it says Star Control : Interbellum and the bar graph promptly explodes) Or they could just introduce newer players to it by going through the history, so on...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on July 29, 2006, 11:40:22 pm
I don't think they have enough time to work on SC3 (I refuse to call that piece of rotting crap a sequel) at the moment
Couldn't we call the projected sequel "UQM2" to avoid confusion with that which should be forgotten?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Serosis on July 30, 2006, 04:26:10 am
I don't think they have enough time to work on SC3 (I refuse to call that piece of rotting crap a sequel) at the moment
Couldn't we call the projected sequel "UQM2" to avoid confusion with that which should be forgotten?

I guess we could...

but it would be confusing if the sequel didn't have the ur-quan playing a major role.

Or it could be a PREQUEL!  :o 


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on July 30, 2006, 05:53:56 am
UQM2 sounds like a fork of UQM, or at least something based on its code, which might be more confusing.

A big naming question is has TFB bought back the rights to the name "Star Control" or does it plan to try. If it does, they should call it Star Control 3, if it is indeed a sequel. They should also allow the UQM project here to use the name Star Control 2.

If not, then the name will probably be very different, like Captain Fwiffo's Downhill Jam, Ilwrath ER, Resident Orz, or Frungy Championship 2008.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on July 31, 2006, 04:56:02 pm
I guess the whole naming thing boils down to whether "The Ur-Quan Masters" has replaced "Star Control II: The Ur-Quan Masters" as the name of the game in your mind or not. A game called "Star Control 3" will almost certainly be confused with this (http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/star-control-3) (I'm sorry if I've accidentally let out some carefully repressed memories), while "UQM2" wouldn't.

Sequels may or may not be based on the same engine, so using "UQM2" would hardly give a strong impression of being a fork or new game in the same engine except to those more familiar with open source than with games. It could be confused with a future UQM v2.0, but at this rate, we have about a decade until that becomes a problem.

However, I do agree that the name "Star Control 3" works better than "Ur-Quan Masters 2" if the Ur-Quan don't play a signifact role (note, however, that the Star Control organisation plays a minimal role in "Star Control II"!). For example, "Return of the Dnyarri" would be a plausible title for one potential UQM2 plot.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: guesst on August 01, 2006, 10:19:27 pm
How about "Ur-Quan Master 3". Sure people will wonder what happened to Ur-Quan Masters 2, but that can be fixed by re-releasing all the games under the new nomenclature.

Honestly, I've given up hope on this project. It's been ages since we've heard any official news, I don't think they got the volume of e-mails they were hoping for. I just don't see it happening any more.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on August 02, 2006, 12:43:18 am
How about "Ur-Quan Master 3". Sure people will wonder what happened to Ur-Quan Masters 2, but that can be fixed by re-releasing all the games under the new nomenclature.
Same problem; you end up changing the meaning of previously used names ("UQM" referring to SC1 instead of SC2/UQM). Don't do that, it'll just confuse everybody.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: RTyp06 on August 02, 2006, 01:50:08 am
"Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam ".. *sigh* Have skateboarding games ever been cool? Obviously they must have some appeal, but to who? Fat kids too lazy to get a board and head to the local park? I guess all gaming platforms must have their obligatory skateboard game..For cripes sake I can play Tony Hawk on my cell phone!  /vent

Perhaps when I get out of jail for strangling Tony Hawk and his agents, I'll come back for a starcontrol inititive update...



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on August 02, 2006, 09:49:58 pm
Have skateboarding games ever been cool?
Maybe 20 years ago (http://www.mobygames.com/game/skate-or-die).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: 1ceph on August 02, 2006, 11:07:02 pm
Skate or Die!? Is this what I think?
This old stuff with the monstrous punk in the main menu!? :))


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Mugz the Sane on August 21, 2006, 09:15:51 am
here's a suggestion for naming

SC1 - starcon1
SC2 - Starcontrol 2 original (92 version)
UQM - sc2 port
UQM2 or UQM-S or TS similar - the True Sequel
SC3 - the abomination

My take on a prequel notion - a prequel could be cool, but we already know what happened during the crucible of sentience (1st hierarchy/alliance war). Before that wasn't too interesting and between the crucible and the liberation war (in SC2/UQM), well, everybody was either slaveshielded, roaming around aimlessly waiting for their masters to think up something for them to do - or entertaining themselves killing pkunk, killing themselves, getting psychically enslaved and so on. Pretty blah. It was only after the flagship appeared that things got interesting again.

I'm also not too certain that we should be talking about the eternal1s and the events of sc-not-3 as if they are canon when everyone agrees they are not. I concede that for reference/theory purposes sc-not-3 does have some value, slight though it is.

[vacates the podium in the general direction of the bar, staggering slightly]


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on August 21, 2006, 01:41:48 pm
here's a suggestion for naming

SC1 - starcon1
SC2 - Starcontrol 2 original (92 version)
UQM - sc2 port
UQM2 or UQM-S or TS similar - the True Sequel
SC3 - the abomination
That's pretty much what I've been suggesting all along (the commercial releases get to keep their names for clarity), but here's a small improvement: if "UQM2" sounds too much like UQM v2.0, you could use "UQM II" instead; nobody ever uses Roman numerals for versions (I hope), and "II" pretty much implies a sequel.

Note that "SC2" can mean either PC or 3DO, while "SC1" strictly speaking includes a whole lot of pathetic 8-bit conversions. SC3 is pretty unambiguous (the Mac version is pretty much the same game as the DOS one, isn't it?).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on August 21, 2006, 02:51:17 pm
My take on a prequel notion - a prequel could be cool, but we already know what happened during the crucible of sentience (1st hierarchy/alliance war). Before that wasn't too interesting and between the crucible and the liberation war (in SC2/UQM), well, everybody was either slaveshielded, roaming around aimlessly waiting for their masters to think up something for them to do - or entertaining themselves killing pkunk, killing themselves, getting psychically enslaved and so on. Pretty blah. It was only after the flagship appeared that things got interesting again.

Not necessarily. A prequel based on pre-millieu times could deal with the precursors in some way, or with other totally unknown races.. A prequel based on the Millieu could deal with all the minor races of the Millieu, and their desperate battle against the enthralled Quan. A pre SC1 prequel could deal with any number of conflicts in our own quadrant. between arising intelligent species.  A pre SC2 prequel could deal with final days of combat, undercover missions and secret resistance bases.

History holds plenty of interesting stories.

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I'm also not too certain that we should be talking about the eternal1s and the events of sc-not-3 as if they are canon when everyone agrees they are not. I concede that for reference/theory purposes sc-not-3 does have some value, slight though it is.

Are we?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on August 23, 2006, 03:33:10 pm
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That's pretty much what I've been suggesting all along (the commercial releases get to keep their names for clarity), but here's a small improvement: if "UQM2" sounds too much like UQM v2.0, you could use "UQM II" instead; nobody ever uses Roman numerals for versions (I hope), and "II" pretty much implies a sequel.

You still have the problem that a sequel could just as easily not be about the UQ at all, and I'm sure they would not be masters, either way. I think that unless they buy their name (Star Control) back from accolade, they will just have to call it something like "Free Star," followed by its sequel "Free Star 2: The Orz Masters." :)


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A prequel based on pre-millieu times could deal with the precursors in some way, or with other totally unknown races..

I think that would be dull unless the precursors played an active role, themselves, and I don't think they should be "revealed" unless it is a sequel (because that's where they'd make the biggest bang.) This could be a good presequel to be made later though, with the Precursors fighting the Orz and eventually losing. Unless you are thinking this could be a prelude to a sequel, setting the stage of an ancient conflict like this, whose climax plays out in post SC2 events.


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A prequel based on the Millieu could deal with all the minor races of the Millieu, and their desperate battle against the enthralled Quan.

That's not a bad idea. You'd want to make this before a sequel though, if said sequel did not revolve around the conflict with the UQ.


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A pre SC1 prequel could deal with any number of conflicts in our own quadrant.

That might be a little dull.


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A pre SC2 prequel could deal with final days of combat, undercover missions and secret resistance bases.

That'd be okay, though it might not be as much fun fighting a battle whose outcome is already decided. Unless you are a big WWII shooter fan.


BTW, for those who really want to know what would have happened in the TFB SC3 that didn't and has not yet come to be, I'd suggest playing Starflight 2: Trade Routes of the Cloud Nebula. Given the parallels I've seen between Starflight and Star Control 2: the Ur-Quan Masters, I think there would have been some similarities. Just whenever you hear the name "Uhl," replace it in your head with "Orz." ;)

Speaking of which, I don't think any future games in this universe would be much good unless Greg Johnson is on TFB's team for them. The Starflight and Star Control universes would not be what they are without his creative flare and colorful characters. Just imagine what Archon or Star Control 1+2 would have been like without PR3's gameplay design talent. Be it a sequel to a movie or game, each original creative talent you lose makes that production less of what it used to be, and thus less of what you have come to love it for.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Neutrino 123 on August 28, 2006, 10:40:13 am
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A prequel based on the Millieu could deal with all the minor races of the Millieu, and their desperate battle against the enthralled Quan.

That's not a bad idea. You'd want to make this before a sequel though, if said sequel did not revolve around the conflict with the UQ.

...or better yet, push the time period foward a bit, and have the protaganist be Kohr-Ah! It's what everyone has always wanted!
Fight mind-controlled enemies in ground combat, while preventing your health from getting too high!
Formulate and discover the awesomness of the Eternal Doctrine!
Build a fleet!
Cleanse the Yuptar!
Finally, battle the Kzer-Za! You can't win this battle, but you need to do well enough to convince the Kzer-Za that the Eternal Doctrine might be right!
It would be a best hit for sure!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Reven on September 03, 2006, 01:18:48 am
"The Ur-Quan Masters" was always meant as a subtitle.  It sounds like a subtitle - it doesn't give any hint at what's behind the game.  Sure it works for name recognition, and I suggest keeping it for that reason.  But I would strongly suggest moving it back to that status and creating a new overtitle name.  The community is large enough that a new "franchise" name won't hurt recognition.  GalictiQuest (GQ makes a cool set of initials) perhaps.  "GalactiQuest: The Ur-Quan Masters".  Sounds catchy in a 1980's sort of way.

Sequels, prequels, anything you like can be made with numbers.  GQ 2, GQ 0 for a prequel (or -1 if you like).  Don't have to worry about whether or not the Ur-Quan are in the game or not.

Of course "GalactiQuest" is just my own toss-out after a half second's thought.  Use ir or not, whatever, the main point is to come up with an overall franchise name that's new and unique.  This community has accomplished a lot on its own.  No need to be tied down with other people's names any more.  Come up with your own - you deserve recognition in your own right, not just as game cloners.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: bruttoid on September 03, 2006, 05:25:33 pm
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A pre SC2 prequel could deal with final days of combat, undercover missions and secret resistance bases.

That'd be okay, though it might not be as much fun fighting a battle whose outcome is already decided. Unless you are a big WWII shooter fan.


Not necessarily. Look. If you make a "prequel" whatevwer and however you call it, one could make it look like if you were an Ur-Quan captain, trying first to defeat the Kohr-Ah and the the whole Allance of the free Stars, of course after summoning the Battle Thralls - this could be a whole treasure-chest of ideas, quests, battles and interesting situations. Just think about it. It could be not at all hard to reproduce the UQM-engine from the Ur-Quan perspective (who knows)! And you win there by default (the final point would then be the Power-shield appearance over Earth - just a few years before the point where SC2 starts). I would really like to see that.

What you could also do is even make a "prequel" about (as said above) Sentient Milieu, new (for SC2) races as Taalo, etc., Kzer-Za and Talking Pets. You could reproduce (again from the Captain Talking Pet's perspective) the happenings of the Kzer-Za enslavement, destruction of the       Milieu by Kzer-Za and the splitting  (by Pet) of their race to Kohr-Ah and Ur-Quan.

And the naming ... oh this problem...

Why not leaving possible new games from Toys for Bob (i'm sure the'll call the next one as SC4) alone, the SC1 and SC2 originals also, and just keep calling new prequels & sequels so:

the current finishing project  - Ur-Quan Masters: The Eternal Doctrine (or Alliance of the free Stars)
the other prequels/sequels - for example Ur-Quan Masters: The Sentient Milieu 
or Ur-Quan Masters: The Battle Thralls

The point is to give no version/episode number - only the name, and the name should always contain the Ur-Quan Masters: part. One will always find a way to put Ur-Quans into the story. And it doesnt really matter which episode will a player play first. If he'd like the modd, he would find out the real order of them in the internet.

I hope i made my point clear. What do you think?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on September 04, 2006, 08:26:27 pm
My original point was that we need an unambiguous shorthand for a (so far hypothetical) sequel to SC2/UQM, and calling it "SC3" will just confuse everyone. "UQM II" seems to be the best suggestion so far (naturally, since it's mine ;D); thinking up long and fanciful titles is better left to whoever develops the game (hopefully TFB), since they'll probably have a clue as to what it's going to be about.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 05, 2006, 05:05:59 pm
But again, if the UQ play only a small part in the next game, "UQM II" will not make much sense at all. Perhaps "Orz Masters" or "Precursor Masters" or whatnot?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on September 05, 2006, 06:37:56 pm
But again, if the UQ play only a small part in the next game, "UQM II" will not make much sense at all. Perhaps "Orz Masters" or "Precursor Masters" or whatnot?
The point is that we don't know what it's about yet, so, to avoid awkward phrases like "the possible sequel to UQM", I suggested talking about "UQM II" until we have a real title or, at least, a codename, to use.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 06, 2006, 04:14:06 am
But when you hear "UQM II" you think it is an offshoot of this project, like a sequel made from the same engine. They really need to try and buy their name back. Until then, what about TFBSC3? I little longer, but I think that is a little more clear. Perhaps SC4 could also be used, if you think you could stomach the idea of legitimizing SC3.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Mugz the Sane on September 06, 2006, 08:16:44 am
TFBSC3 is a bit cumbersome, and I had to retype it twice (TFBSC#, anybody? I think we have a variant of c# here specifically made for The Sequel), so, uhh, no. Instead, lose the FB part - True SC3


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 06, 2006, 08:55:16 am
But when you hear "UQM II" you think it is an offshoot of this project, like a sequel made from the same engine. They really need to try and buy their name back. Until then, what about TFBSC3? I little longer, but I think that is a little more clear. Perhaps SC4 could also be used, if you think you could stomach the idea of legitimizing SC3.

Not necessarily. SC2 didn't use the same engine as SC1. And any sequel would be an offshoot of UQM/SC2 so it's alright to assume that. After all it's not even really SC2 either, it's SC2:UQM.

Alternatively you could think of the games as SC:FBUQC1, SC2:UQM2, and SC3:WTHYWTCIIOAWTFCOL3, shortened to WT4.

1 Famous battles of the Ur-Quan Conflict
2 The Ur-Quan Masters
3 Whatever the hell you want to call it, it's only a working title for crying out loud.
4 Working Title


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on September 06, 2006, 03:55:26 pm
SC2 didn't use the same engine as SC1.
I'm pretty sure much of the combat system in UQM is code originally written for SC1; the adventure section is probably newer than that, though.

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shortened to WT [...] Working Title
Nice, but completely non-obvious.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on September 06, 2006, 04:42:17 pm
As an alternative to numbering confusion, they could simply drop the number altogether and just go with a subtitle (ie.: StarControl: Revenge of the Random Tagline). After all, few enough people remeber the older games (which could easily be included as pack-ins or unlockables for the new game, if time and source code allows), which means that a large number of people could see this as the start of a new series. They can be filled in on the details later (especially in the case of pack-ins or unlockables, which will incidentally make it abundantly clear which episodes are canon and which are not; if SC1 & 2 are included, and SC3 is not, guess which is which?).

I realize the idea of including the older games might not be practical (what with the lost source code for the first, especially), but I can hope for it, right?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 06, 2006, 06:22:12 pm
I'm pretty sure much of the combat system in UQM is code originally written for SC1; the adventure section is probably newer than that, though.

I always considered SC1s main engine to be the one used for missions, and SC2's engine to be the one used i nthe adventure game. Of course you are correct in observing that the melee engine was the same in both 1 and two, but as it isn't the main engine (in2 at least) I didn't consider it so. Following that logic however, and assumign that any sequel will include an melee, wouldn't it be completely correct to call it UQM 2:WT and claim that the combat engine is derived from the predecessor?

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Nice, but completely non-obvious.
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It wasn't a serious suggestion. ;) SC3:TFB? SC3: RoTFB? SC3:NG? SC3: A New Hope? SC3:TW? SC3:WTF?

Point being, as long as there is no official name, we can't really call a sequel anything that isn't derivative of earlier names. UQM2 really seems to be the best filler, as SC3 is already taken. Once a project is in the works, the name can easily enough be changed.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 06, 2006, 06:57:07 pm
I've got it-- SCX

For all we know, it could be about ur-quan or it could be about orz, it could be SC-1, SC0, SC3, or SC4, so just call it SCX and be done with it. Easy to understand, easy to read, easy to type.

Well. . .somebody going to give me a medal or what? :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 06, 2006, 07:14:45 pm
Only if you wish to include racecars (http://www.scx.es/en/).

I non-anti-like it.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on September 06, 2006, 07:43:19 pm
Maybe I'm just jaded, but...

"Star Control X: Extreme Thraddash Downhill Snowboard Challenge" is sort of what comes to mind whenever I see games (or anything else) using a letter designation for little-to-no apparent reason. It seems to scream "only marginally related to the source material at best," and most of the time that's a perfect description of the content as well. Not that it COULDN'T work... It just hasn't in the past, at least not very often.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 07, 2006, 04:47:19 pm
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Only if you wish to include racecars.

Damn. But still, when one uses "SC" on a forum like this, all know this is not in reference to StarCraft.


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I non-anti-like it.

Good, because I like it too. ;)


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using a letter designation for little-to-no apparent reason.

It does have a reason, as I explained. We don't know what it will be about. We don't know when it takes place. But if it didn't take place in this universe at all, we wouldn't be talking about it, so we know it is a Star Control game. So it is "Star Control" (universe) "X" (variable.) X also works, because it is an eXperimental designation (used for prototype aircraft originally) which is good for a possible game idea with no official confirmation expected in the near future. But again, this is just a temporary place holder or "working title" (I don't think fans can give "working titles" but it doesn't really matter.)

Well, either way, "SCX" is what I'm going to use, until the real title is announced. Anything else is too confusing until there are more details.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 08, 2006, 08:26:06 am
HOw about SCY? not as extreme, but just as groovy ;)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 08, 2006, 03:36:24 pm
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HOw about SCY?

It doesn't make sense to use "Y" unless you've already used "X".


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not as extreme,

Yes, all mathematics textbooks should be rewritten, and all experimental aircraft in the aeronautical museums reclassified, simply because there's people out there on skateboards who think they are "xtreme". On a similar note, I guess we should also consider the duudssonit group, average representatives of your eXtreme culture, eh? ;)


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but just as groovy

Games that center on sweeping galactic wars and conflicts, needn't contain high levels of grooviness.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zarnium on September 09, 2006, 03:17:03 pm
My computer is five years old and a mac... Im not sure if it would work on my computer. I really hope they make it for the wii, because im not a big xbox or playstation fan.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Qwer on September 14, 2006, 02:44:24 pm
Here's what i'd like to see in new Star Control:
- plot as good as in SC2
- more ROTFLish texts ;D
- MP Super Melee
- game style similar to SC2, but with some plot-forced driffence.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 14, 2006, 09:33:44 pm
It doesn't make sense to use "Y" unless you've already used "X".

Fair enough. How about SCW?

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Yes, all mathematics textbooks should be rewritten, and all experimental aircraft in the aeronautical museums reclassified, simply because there's people out there on skateboards who think they are "xtreme". On a similar note, I guess we should also consider the duudssonit group, average representatives of your eXtreme culture, eh? ;)

My reply was to Draxas, but you make a good point.

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Games that center on sweeping galactic wars and conflicts, needn't contain high levels of grooviness.

If you are somehow implying that SC isn't groovy, I shall be forced to declare you a heretic and have you burnt at the stake

/nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: DavidPartay on September 15, 2006, 12:41:05 am

Yes, all mathematics textbooks should be rewritten, and all experimental aircraft in the aeronautical museums reclassified, simply because there's people out there on skateboards who think they are "xtreme". On a similar note, I guess we should also consider the duudssonit group, average representatives of your eXtreme culture, eh? ;)


Can I just point out that us normal everyday skateboarders don't refer to what we do as extreme, it's actually the media who calls bmxing/skating/blading/etc. extreme sports? :).  We just do what we do because we love doing it!  To us, it's just skateboarding.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on September 15, 2006, 05:34:04 pm
Yes, all mathematics textbooks should be rewritten, and all experimental aircraft in the aeronautical museums reclassified, simply because there's people out there on skateboards who think they are "xtreme". On a similar note, I guess we should also consider the duudssonit group, average representatives of your eXtreme culture, eh? ;)

I suppose it might be relevant to mention that we're not discussing mathematics nor experimental airplane design, but video games. In that regard, the X takes on a totally different meaning than "algebra variable." Not to say that you didn't mean it in that context when you proposed it, but I (and I imagine, most others) tend to have a different frame of reference when I consider video games, as opposed to mathematics. In this case, that frame of reference sees X in the pop-culture light.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zarnium on September 16, 2006, 03:40:54 pm
Well, whether they use an X or Y or W for the title, I'm afraid i won't be able to play it. I have an older computer that doen't handle 3d very well, so if they actually make it compatible, I'm afraid if they make it 3d I won't be able to play and be stuck with Ur-Quan masters for the rest of my life...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 16, 2006, 04:41:13 pm
From Lukipela
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Fair enough. How about SCW?

I'm not sure people would see it as a variable. Looking at it, my first assumption is that the W stands for War, and not just a mystery. I guess you mean it stands for "What?," perhaps?


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If you are somehow implying that SC isn't groovy, I shall be forced to declare you a heretic and have you burnt at the stake

PLEEEAAASE don't hurt me, oh greatest of species, PLEEEAAASE! Think of my wife and little blobbies at home. . .err, I mean- AIEEEE! No! Please be merciful! Not my claw! Please, no! I beg of you! The Pain! NO!


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/nobodyexpectsthespanishinquisition

Oh, you were only joking, I'm glad you cleared that up. Smerg, smerg. . .I mean. . .snork, snork, snork.


From DavidPartay:
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We just do what we do because we love doing it!  To us, it's just skateboarding.

I understand entirely, we feel the same way about burning heretics at the stake. To us it's just a bonfire.


From Draxas:
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I suppose it might be relevant to mention that we're not discussing mathematics nor experimental airplane design, but video games.

Indeed, as it would be to mention that we are not discussing "extreme" sports, but a SciFi Action/RPG.

However, mathematics has to do with numbers, and the symbols that represent them like 1, 2, 3, 4, and X, amoung others, are highly relevant. Thus, when these have been invoked through the use of a "2" or a "3" in a title like "Star Control 2: the Ur-Quan Masters" or "Star Control 3: Flush this Crap Down your Toilet," it is fair to assume that you can use others, like 0, 1, 4, X, etc.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zarnium on September 16, 2006, 05:09:27 pm
I think they should just call it Starcon and leave it at that, like they were going to do. That way it doesn't scare off people who haven't played before, like "hmmm, haven't played the first 3, better not buy it."


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Aya Reiko on September 18, 2006, 08:17:22 am
I'll support it as long as SC3 is officially removed  from canon.  They don't even need to include a number.  Just call it "Star Control: _____". Fill in the blank with whatever they want.  For example, they could call it "Star Control: Black Spathi Squadron", or anything else that'd fit.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 19, 2006, 10:37:40 am
I'm not sure people would see it as a variable. Looking at it, my first assumption is that the W stands for War, and not just a mystery. I guess you mean it stands for "What?," perhaps?

Star Control: What? seems a good choice :). And war will very probably be involved on some level, or at least i certainly hope so.  If there is a sentient league that tells me I can't attack funny-looking people again, I shall be very cross.

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Think of my wife and little blobbies at home. . .err, I mean- AIEEEE!

Somehow it makes sense that you'd be a blobby Umgah. Twisted sense of humour, mischievous, not as much evil as deranged.

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Oh, you were only joking, I'm glad you cleared that up. Smerg, smerg. . .I mean. . .snork, snork, snork.

Shouldn't that be HAR HAR HAR?

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Indeed, as it would be to mention that we are not discussing "extreme" sports, but a SciFi Action/RPG.

I think that Draxas meant that if someone only seesthe title SCX, they'll assume tht it is an extreme game of one sort or another. This whole conversation was originally about a non-confusing name for a sequel. Your own argument that UQM:2 would infer a similar engine to UQM seems based on the same assumption; that people who do not already know about the project will become confused.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 19, 2006, 03:51:18 pm
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Somehow it makes sense that you'd be a blobby Umgah.

I am? Well I guess that would be a step up then.


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Twisted sense of humour, mischievous, not as much evil as deranged.

I'm not real big on gmos though.


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Shouldn't that be HAR HAR HAR?

Wrong blobby.


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I think that Draxas meant that if someone only seesthe title SCX, they'll assume tht it is an extreme game of one sort or another.

Not if they see it on this forum. Remember, if you mention  "SC" anywhere else, people will probably think you refer to StarCraft or another game. So people here will know what you mean.


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Your own argument that UQM:2 would infer a similar engine to UQM seems based on the same assumption; that people who do not already know about the project will become confused.

Just the opposite, people who know about UQM will think that UQM2 is an offshoot of the project. SCX is a place-holder title for people who already know a little about the projects and history of this universe. And again, many think that a sequel to SC2 would not revolve around the UQ anyway. That is my biggest complaint about "UQM2" as a title- it assumes the project is about Ur-Quan and their thralls.


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However, mathematics has to do with numbers, and the symbols that represent them like 1, 2, 3, 4, and X, amoung others, are highly relevant. Thus, when these have been invoked through the use of a "2" or a "3" in a title like "Star Control 2: the Ur-Quan Masters" or "Star Control 3: Flush this Crap Down your Toilet," it is fair to assume that you can use others, like 0, 1, 4, X, etc.

I couldn't agree more. ;)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on September 19, 2006, 04:12:39 pm
My suggestion for refering to it until a real name is released, would be "SC2+1".


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on September 19, 2006, 06:36:49 pm
I've got it. Simple, elegant, perfectly descriptive:

NSC = New Star Control


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Arrow on September 20, 2006, 04:12:33 am
I've got it. Simple, elegant, perfectly descriptive:

NSC = New Star Control

With a name like that, I'll totally be expecting polygonal graphics in a 2.5D engine, Mega Shiva Furnaces that let you slag planets, Mini Planet Landers that allow you to go through tiny wormholes, and a super annoying Ur-Quan kid who wants to help his father kidnap Talana.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 20, 2006, 07:53:22 am
Not if they see it on this forum. Remember, if you mention  "SC" anywhere else, people will probably think you refer to StarCraft or another game. So people here will know what you mean.


Just the opposite, people who know about UQM will think that UQM2 is an offshoot of the project. SCX is a place-holder title for people who already know a little about the projects and history of this universe. And again, many think that a sequel to SC2 would not revolve around the UQ anyway. That is my biggest complaint about "UQM2" as a title- it assumes the project is about Ur-Quan and their thralls.

Quite correct, I had my bearings mixed up. In that case, I'd second Meep's "SC2+1". Anyone on the forum would realise that this is a sequel to SC2 that replaces the abomination.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on September 20, 2006, 10:38:49 am
My suggestion for refering to it until a real name is released, would be "SC2+1".
Well, that would be pretty unambiguous (and shorter than "UQM II"). I'm inclined to go with meep-eep, because TFB consistently refer to making a new Star Control game instead of a sequel to the Ur-Quan Masters.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on September 20, 2006, 09:06:29 pm
I've got it. Simple, elegant, perfectly descriptive:

NSC = New Star Control

With a name like that, I'll totally be expecting polygonal graphics in a 2.5D engine, Mega Shiva Furnaces that let you slag planets, Mini Planet Landers that allow you to go through tiny wormholes, and a super annoying Ur-Quan kid who wants to help his father kidnap Talana.

This is obviously some kind of reference that's gone right over me head. Anyone care to fill me in?

I guess I could deal with SC2+1. Certainly gets the point across.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on September 21, 2006, 04:41:06 am
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My suggestion for refering to it until a real name is released, would be "SC2+1".

That's a little long, and it assumes that the next game will be a sequel, but given that you have the power to ban anyone who doesn't use it, we should probably just go with that.


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NSC = New Star Control

I think SCN would have been acceptable for me, if not for the fact that the crowd is using SC2+1 now, and I'm a weak minded bastard. Plus, SCN sounds familiar, though I can't quite place it.


Actually, I'll probably just refer to it as SCX, SCN or SC1+2 at random to confuse the hell out of people, because I'm also a sadistic bastard.


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This is obviously some kind of reference that's gone right over me head. Anyone care to fill me in?

Can't help you there, but my guess is the title might be of japanese origin, and probably a console game of some sort.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Data on September 21, 2006, 09:37:25 pm
Maybe, just maybe, we should think how to reawaken all those SC2 fans out there that now nothing of this news instead of discussting how it should be called. Just a thought.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on September 22, 2006, 03:17:09 pm
Maybe, just maybe, we should think how to reawaken all those SC2 fans out there that now nothing of this news instead of discussting how it should be called. Just a thought.

Sure, you do that.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Arrow on September 24, 2006, 09:27:27 am
This is obviously some kind of reference that's gone right over me head. Anyone care to fill me in?

Can't help you there, but my guess is the title might be of japanese origin, and probably a console game of some sort.

English ref; handheld game.  Nintendo released "New Super Mario Bros" a few months ago, an SMB game that runs in 2.5D and is like a semi-evolved version of the original sidescrollers.  I was joking about Mega Mushrooms, Mini Mushrooms, and Bowser Jr. basically; the word "New" in the name set me off and I couldn't past it.  :P


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: altean on November 01, 2006, 07:49:40 am
How come this thread only have 2 posts? Doesnt people know what a big thing this is!

Nahh..ppl won't respond couse it's too late for that.. everyone is asleep..I think it's past midnight already :P


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on November 01, 2006, 09:23:48 am
How come this thread only have 2 posts? Doesnt people know what a big thing this is!

Nahh..ppl won't respond couse it's too late for that.. everyone is asleep..I think it's past midnight already :P

It is certainly well past midnight, April 18th, and a lot of people have replied since then. I am unsure as to why you felt compelled to answer a question that no longer makes sense from 6 months ago. Care to enlighten me?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: hihlordjp on November 02, 2006, 07:39:16 am
*is not Zebranky food*

I've signed the petition and I'm now crossing my fingers. Stumbling on this website and was hitting two birds with one stone—I rediscovered a childhood favorite and heard of news of a real SC sequel hitting shelves (though the news is, well, months old).

Greetings to all my fellow SC-lovers.  ;D


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Orla on November 08, 2006, 10:24:38 am
Yes I also signed that petition and I hope they will make a sequel


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on November 23, 2006, 01:55:33 am
Quote from: Alex Ness
The hope is that after we finish our current project, Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, we can propose doing a Star Control sequel next.

Now that they have finished Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam, I think it's time we send him a large cluster of e-mails saying that it's most definitely time for a new Star Control game.  We have been persistent and strong about a new Star Control for so long now, that Activision cannot ignore us any longer.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anarchy_Balsac on November 27, 2006, 11:14:47 pm
Maybe, just maybe, we should think how to reawaken all those SC2 fans out there that now nothing of this news instead of discussting how it should be called. Just a thought.

If you have an idea how to go about doing that, I'm all ears(eyes?).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on November 28, 2006, 02:07:27 am
Maybe, just maybe, we should think how to reawaken all those SC2 fans out there that know nothing of this news instead of discussting how it should be called. Just a thought.

If you have an idea how to go about doing that, I'm all ears(eyes?).

There's a bunch of ways, write letters to video game shows, send an instant message to your friends about Star Control, convince them to write at least one e-mail to Alex Ness...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anarchy_Balsac on November 30, 2006, 11:57:42 am
I might know some I could talk to about it. It's worth a shot.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: darkheart on January 16, 2007, 09:41:02 pm
in the worst case they won't make one....then make one...and vandalize the canon *MUHOHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*

*btw, already signed, SC FOREVA MUTHAF****!!!!!*


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: chad of Toronto on January 31, 2007, 02:40:12 am
I'm going to sign the petition, but I'm going to send it through the mail for a stronger effect.

Btw, I'm looking for some human opponents to play super melee net /w hamachi.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Cedric6014 on January 31, 2007, 03:03:22 am
I took the time to write a letter and post it (all the way from new Zealand) and Alex the producer was kind enough to take the time to write a longish email thanking me for my letter. I thought that was a nice touch so I think something hard copy would make a difference.

And if its netplay you’re after there’s usually plenty of action at irc freednode #uqm-arena. I’m even running a proto-type league at the moment with plans to expand.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Spathi Mob Boss on March 04, 2007, 06:00:28 pm
New here, but was playing SC2 in college in 92-93 time frame.  This was one of the most enjoyable games of all time.  It is definitely in my top 3, ranking up there with MOO2, if not surpassing, Civ games, and many other classics.  Oh Joy!  A new SC!  I am vibrating with excitement!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: hammersmith on March 11, 2007, 02:51:32 pm
Yes! If the game is made I will die just for joy!  8)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Deus Siddis on March 12, 2007, 10:43:26 pm
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Yes! If the game is made I will die just for joy!

Hopefully after you at least get a chance to play it.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Horatius on March 15, 2007, 06:11:29 am
Gods, I've been wishing for another starcon game since I finished starcon 3...disappointing as that game was. It was great to find SC2 online again, cause I don't think my dad was gonna send me his copy and I haven't played it in years. I signed on the petition, though I have no idea if the thing will do anything...Does anyone know what number the petition is at?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2007, 09:53:14 pm
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Does anyone know what number the petition is at?

At the time of this posting, there are 6401 signatures on the Star-Control.com petition (http://starcontrol.classicgaming.gamespy.com/petition/petition_signed.php).  With the e-mails going to Alex, there's most likely more than 6000 e-mails that he's received, and I hope that there will be 6000 more coming that he can use to show Activision how important it is that a new Star Control game is made by the the wonderful team at TFB.

EDIT:  Fixed bb tag


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Valaggar on March 16, 2007, 01:25:51 pm
There are 6140+1128=7268 signatures, not 6401. They're more! (You must add the "recent" and the "archived" signatures).
However, they're still to few. We need at least 100,000 total, I'd say. Since the petition started in January 2000, it means that in seven years there were 7268 sigs - 1038 sigs per year. So we need just 89 more years. Do not despair! In 2096 a new Star Control game will be announced!
We need FF&PR3, I know. Then let's put them in a cryo tank and wait till 2096. I'm not kidding.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: konthra7 on March 22, 2007, 07:04:34 pm
Err....I may not be here to enjoy it if it starts in 2093. Besides, the next generation will probably never understand our obsession with games that require screens and keyboards rather than virtual interfaces and direct mind connections.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Valaggar on March 22, 2007, 08:04:06 pm
Well, maybe Infogrames will be kind and will finally allow TFB to make TrueSC3. I mean, 1-2-3 years after (2008-2011).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Hawkins on May 27, 2007, 02:00:28 pm
Darn.  Now I cant quit my job.  I'll need the money to buy new Star Control.
oooh, but my flippers are all in a twist.  why didnt anybody mention this in the IRC channel?
Oops, suppose I should get back to copying settings for the exam tomorrow.  Only 100 computers left to go.

ooh, my flippers, my flippers


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: geocorn on July 07, 2007, 02:00:22 am
If they can't get the rights to the Star Control name, what's to stop them from like, making the game anyhow and calling it UQM2?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Novus on July 07, 2007, 02:12:26 am
If they can't get the rights to the Star Control name, what's to stop them from like, making the game anyhow and calling it UQM2?
The "Star Control" trademark is actually pretty irrelevant, and TFB own all the important stuff like characters, story, and SC2. The real problem is convincing someone to give them enough money to get a new game developed (which involves convincing them they'll get their money back and more when it's done!).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: chenjesummrnmhrm on August 09, 2007, 04:48:39 am
How much money do you think TFB would do it for? 100,000?

 If I become a billionaire I will probably chip in a hundred thousand.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zakharov on August 12, 2007, 04:07:55 am
When I was very young, I played StarFlight and loved the game to death.  As this was the time before easy information (the internet), I never had the opportunity to play StarFlight II until over a decade later (probably because I didn't know it existed).

I just finished playing the Ur-Quan Masters and I found it very refreshing in a way far beyond what StarFlight offered but with a far more character development.

I primarily stumbled upon Ur-Quan Masters as somewhat of a GPL enthusiast and have participated in more than a few GPL projects and I have to say I am doubly impressed by the media in the game.

If a new sequel does not happen for this game, it would surely be a shame.  Far too many game titles are released in modern times that are truly "me too" games and for me the Ur-Quan Masters/Star Control 2 took me back to a time when actual creativity, plot development, mystery  and forward thinking was expressed in-game rather than an emphasis on the visuals.

Although seemingly no one has a way to gauge the probability of Activision approving a new sequel of what generic minds would perceive to be the resurrection of an old game, I would certainly buy it.  Living in a "me too" world, it feels like the odds would be slim and they would rather finance another generic 3D shooter  ;D

Even if that ends up being the case, it sure would be nice to modernize the interface (mouse controls, remove command line parameters).

Either way, great work.  Playing Ur-Quan Masters was a great experience and it reminded me of a time where the concept of space was filled with wonder and imagination.  I still can't get over how cool the Melnorme trader was, the Mycons were, the music when the VUX were encountered or the comedy of the Zoq-Fot-Pik.

Sigh ... now what do I play now that I have completed this?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Amiga_Nut on August 12, 2007, 07:39:01 am
GO OUT INTO THE WORLD AND TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED. GET EVERYONE YOU CAN TO JOIN US IN #UQM-ARENA ON IRC.FREENODE.ORG - GLORY, FAME AND PERHAPS HORRIBLE DEATH AWAIT.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: guesst on August 12, 2007, 05:43:50 pm
Sigh ... now what do I play now that I have completed this?
Online melee.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: roguecmdr on November 08, 2007, 11:38:06 pm
Well im playing sc2 on my work computer on a Vmware machine. :P they wont ever find me! 

Anyways, has there been any updated news on this. whats the petition count at? If i ever win the lottery, i will drop the money for the game. I hope thats the same feelings for everyone here.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2007, 03:52:04 am
If i ever win the lottery, i will drop the money for the game. I hope thats the same feelings for everyone here.

Of course we have the same feelings.  I don't think TFB has any money problems; they're just waiting for Activision to give the thumbs up on making the new Star Control game.  In any case, I would donate something if I could.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: roguecmdr on November 09, 2007, 11:04:55 pm
Well then, if i win the lottery, ill publish the game under my friend's company if they Activision doesnt. We all waited too long for a true squel.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2007, 04:33:51 am
Well then, if i win the lottery, ill publish the game under my friend's company if they Activision doesnt. We all waited too long for a true squel.

As long as TFB is allowed to take their time to make sure that everything is done right with the new Star Control game, and have full control over what they're doing, I don't care who publishes it. :D

Star Control rules!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Admiral Asinine on December 13, 2007, 08:13:24 pm
Has anyone heard any news about this? Personally, I'm surprised Activision hasn't jumped on the chance for another SC sequel... i don't buy the whole 'not enough interest" line... I mean, seriously folks, look at some of the crap that's passing itself off as video games these days... If they can publish wave after wave of junk... then surely a TRUE SC sequel should be able to find a home....

Anyways, has anyone thought of emailing T4B and finding out what's going on, if anything?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on December 13, 2007, 09:34:08 pm
In the last IRC chat, they said that they were working on a project which was not TFB. That project has not been announced yet, so it's safe to say that they're still working on that.
When that is behind them, maybe SC2+1 may get another chance.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pkunkfury on December 28, 2007, 04:27:24 pm
I really hope that someday we'll see a real SC3!
SC2 is my favourite game ever!!!
I learned  english language(eh eh...but not so much) thank to this game!!!!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Toka on December 29, 2007, 03:34:17 pm
if mass effekt will be a succes, maybe that will convince them that der is enough interest for a
sc sequel. i whould not mind if they whould not realy do it as a sequel, but as a new game.
(like i think they wanted to do with starcon. at least, sc2 is so old that few people know it)

excuse my spelling, my english isnt that good


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: taltamir on January 03, 2008, 06:15:07 am
I really hope that someday we'll see a real SC3!
SC2 is my favourite game ever!!!
I learned  english language(eh eh...but not so much) thank to this game!!!!

Me too!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Prowler2885 on January 11, 2008, 07:46:04 pm
Has anyone heard any news about this? Personally, I'm surprised Activision hasn't jumped on the chance for another SC sequel... i don't buy the whole 'not enough interest" line... I mean, seriously folks, look at some of the crap that's passing itself off as video games these days... If they can publish wave after wave of junk... then surely a TRUE SC sequel should be able to find a home....

Anyways, has anyone thought of emailing T4B and finding out what's going on, if anything?
By means of "Not enough interest" I suppose they mean that there aren't enough money-draining dunce-gamers that are willing to buy crap in the market for 60 bucks that can handle an intelligent game like Star Control.

Though from what I saw of Mass Effect (on G4 and whatnot), I fear that only a few gamers that are real gamers (and are not limited to only PS3, XB360, or Wii experience; and have PC experience as well as Dos) actually play this game. Others (by a generational scale) however, are opposite, and think they are gamers, whereas all they know is XB360, PS3, or Wii; nothing more, nothing less.

Remember, the world (or at least the America market) is full of morons that laugh at the movie "Meet the Spartans" and religiously watch VH1 and E!. If anything intelligent, witty, or I dunno... New comes into the market, executives would fear people will rebel against them and destroy the machine that is sales.

Wait a second, executives of companies are the Ur-Quan!!! Or at least, the Khor-ah. Original content almost bankrupt them before by free thinkers, so out of fear, they either enslave (or sue) them, or eradicate them. And the profit machine, is the Sa-Matra. Destroy that, they collapse.

Maybe I played a bit much Starcon to notice this.


My only hopes left are in the fact that retro stuff is being remade (Transformers, Speed Racer, Alvin and the Chipmunks), and as well, XBOX360 and it's arcade and other retro release stuff should eventually release Starcon; hopefully. Hell, even Lemmings got re-released for the PSP. When either Sony or Microsoft accept, and Activision notices the numbers boost (at least because of the morons that don't know better about UQM), then that should help boost fandom back to convince Activision to give the thumbs up.

Sound like a plan, or a gleam of hope? If anything can convince Activision, it would be sales from consoles or download number masses from UQM. Unfortunately, it would have to be in the millions if you expect them to take a glance.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on January 11, 2008, 11:59:36 pm
I don't that think anyone has claimed that there is not enough interest.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Toka on January 18, 2008, 10:23:16 am
hmm... if the problem consists only of having not enough money to make and release a new game,
how much whould it take? im pretty sure that if everyone who reads this forum whould spend some
money, that could be enough. i whould not realy need the game to be for nowadays technical standarts.
if it whould just be like sc2 i whould be totally pleased. am i alone with that opinion?
i dont need high-end-graphics. in fakt, i have even lots of fun playing populous 2 nowadays.
(yes, i mean populous 2 not b&w 2 :P)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Shiver on January 18, 2008, 04:09:42 pm
hmm... if the problem consists only of having not enough money to make and release a new game,
how much whould it take? im pretty sure that if everyone who reads this forum whould spend some
money, that could be enough.

Uh, no. Unless there's a stealth mogul in the midst, that is completely wrong. Some fans on a relatively low traffic internet forum would not be able to afford the bill.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 22, 2008, 01:28:15 pm
Hello guys

I'm Toni and i'm new here... I read forum from a long time but today i decide to register.
First i want to tell you that i'm so happy that here i can find so many fans of that great game!
My English is not so good but i hope you will understand me.

i'm 3D Artist and work in game industry from a long time ...

Unfortunately with every next game on market (allmost) i feel so sad ... Games without any ideas ... short lenten gamplay ... stupid storyline...

i start to replay old school games becouse feeling from them is 10 times deeper than new one!

Striving to be maded game with great FX and graphics is not the right way ... Thay cannot make the whole game thay are only part of all ...

I prefer to play a good game with not so great graphics then beautiful stupid games ...

I read in upper posts suggestion that i write too in my petition:
WE the true fans of star control series can collect some money and help to remake this game!
To be maded 3D game with 2008 requrements is hard .. we need to much money to collect...
But we can make this :

I think that new Star Control 2D version is not a bad idea ... This is game that is for hard core gamers like us ... we can make this compromise.

Graphics in 1024x768 maded professional - is good enough for GREAT look
Music in that original style like SC2
STORYLINE - very important part ;)

The most important thing is to save the exact feeling like SC2 ... sometimes creators change their thinking and feelings through the years...

If WE are serious we can collect money and we can give a start of that project!!!
If WE start
many many more will join US

We must speak with creators of SC2 - howmuch money we need to finish that our DREAM

If the project is serious many 2D and 3D artist will help US i'm sure!!!

i'M IN TOO!!!

General planning we can make after we receive information from Creators of SC2 howmuch money we must collect ...

I hope you will understand me
and i hope more people will thing the same like me!






Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pkunkfury on January 22, 2008, 02:49:58 pm
where are you from?
of course I can understand your english, I think it's good but I'm italian, so I think my english is good for you too :P

I agree... starcon 2D is not a bad idea...it's a good idea! the most important thing is the story.
about collecting money...I agree, I would give (some) money! but I don't think this would be enough :(




Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 22, 2008, 03:27:08 pm
Pkunkfury
I'm From Bulgaria

I'm so happy that first man after my poste is ready to make something for SC !!!
Money are allways not enough ... we know that...

But i think we can collect enough!!!
and we can ask creators of SC for MIN sum that will be enough for that new project...

And the best way to make a precise calculations and to make a real estimation of that idea,
is to make a list roll  with names(nicknames) of all people that are ready to give money for new SC version and exact amount that is OK for them!

Then we can see the real fans and the real  prognosis - IS THIS POSSIBLE OR NOT!!!

How we can make this list roll (REGISTER) - some suggestions?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Toka on January 22, 2008, 09:58:45 pm
if the worth of the american doller keeps falling, our european money could make a lot :P

1,00 Euro = 1,44 Dollar^^


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on January 22, 2008, 10:14:05 pm
uhh.....
You guys must be rolling in money or something. That kind of crap is usually very expensive, and although I'm sure many of us here are more than happy to make a donation of some kind for such a cause, I highly doubt that we could make a serious impact.

The only way an ambitious plan like this could work without massive funding is if we can somehow get some coding programs and graphic design junk and form a sort of super huge remake project that isn't part of any corporate thing. Even this would be expensive.

Or we could sell Fwiffo cookies until we had enough money. [Har har har]


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 22, 2008, 11:00:29 pm
Heh ...

Dancing Fungus
i'm not sure that we cannot collect enough money ...
2D project is many times cheap then 3D
There is no impossible things in that world...

Star Control deserve this - 10, 20, 30 , 50$ that we can spend ...

Howmany fans are here on that forum - please tell me ...
I know if i don't do something i'll never see new SC .. i'm sure!!!

Ok let's start to make this register and check howmuch we can collect for 1 month... ("only on paper")
if we see interest and readiness in that initiative we can start real collecting trough bank or some other way ...(will discuss later)

IF WE ARE REALLY FANS OF THAT GAME WE CAN SPEND SOME MONEY!!!
Eeveryone is free to decide howmuch is enough for him ...

First 50$ are from me ...

This is Star Base that  i still working on - cost 0$

(http://batkata.hit.bg/Base%20Screen%20640x480.bmp)
(http://batkata.hit.bg/StarBase_UC.jpg)

There is so many talent 2D and 3D artists in the world ... i'm sure that we can find best offers for graphics building!!!
I have offer for creations of graphics on professional level but this is after we have some ~ SUM

Let's try with that register .. can we ask builders of that web page to help us???

We need place where we can put our names(nicknames) and sum that we will give if the project start ...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on January 23, 2008, 04:46:29 pm
Hmmm... It appears you already possess the graphical design stuff that I mentioned before. That would cut back on expenses. It might be possible.

By the way, that program looks really cool. Is there anyway I could get a program like that? If I had one and could learn how to use it, I could make some stuff.  [like pod-ships, or whatever]


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Valaggar Redux on January 23, 2008, 05:04:11 pm
Helpful Reminder: If TFB would start working on a low-budget game, the profits they'd get would be low too. However, if they work instead of a high-budget, 3D game, the profits will be higher. So if we are to donate money to TFB to make a low-budget game, we'd have to also pay them compensations for those high profits they didn't get because they made a low-budget game. Which might be even more expensive than outright donating money for a high-budget Sequel. So no, Batkat's idea with downgrading the graphics does not work. *sigh*

And by the way, that starbase looks more than wonderful.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on January 23, 2008, 05:16:41 pm
No no, my advice is that we say "f*** it" to TFB and make our own 2-d remake deal. After all, UQM is a remake of the original in the first place. Then we won't have to pay tribute to the "gods of Star Control" any longer. All we need is permission, and they might not care as much since it is a 2-d thing. They can continue peacefully working on whatever they're doing while we give Star Control a new life. [or turn it into a big flop, whichever comes first]

It is pretty much our only chance at this.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 23, 2008, 11:11:15 pm
Dancing Fungus
This program is 3D Studio MAX - is hard to learn software like this for one month...
I work 15 years with it ...

I don't speak to gather 10 freelance fans to make something without money... Some fan remake ...
I speak to collect money and make a financial support to creators of SC2 to make new 2D sequel of SC2 but with great
graphics, music and new storyline ... Maby will be more realistic then new GREAT 3D ...

Downgrade ... i don't think even for a second to downgrade graphics or anything!...
Is this necessary to make one screen (in planet orbit - for example) renewed in 1024x768 to
convince you that is possible ...?
Perfect created 2D is better then low polygonal angular 3D ...
People think that if one game is 2D is shit... thay are totally wrong ... Something beautiful is beautiful !!!
Something invented professional with feeling and desire cannot be rejected!!!

Why we need SC3 - 3D - becouse we need space simulator ..? Because 3D will give us some unbelievable look???
Or we will be modern like most games but games that we forgot 2 days after we finish them!!!

I'm not sure that i want to play some totally different SC with 100 new features that can be total crash of old feeling ...
And will broke my good memorys...

I don't think that 3D will make SC greater than now .. the game is enough unique and perfect created...

Sometimes changes are not the perfect choise... we can compare some movies and other game titles ..
1st title is great - second is full .....Shi ......t...!
This game is very special we cannot risk with experiments ...

OK i think that we can wait little bit more (BUT NOT! another 16 years and TFB is good to tell us howmany petitions are already signed ...) and if Activision reject SC3 to start with our own idea to finance TFB for sequel!


There is ways to make SC3 !!!
Production can be transfered to other country to other developers to help TFB where the price for realization will be lower...
Ofcource with general supervising from TFB, concept art, storyline and everything that is necessary


I'm little sceptic that Activison will agree to finance SC3...
Now the era of 3d shooters will be hard to convince them that the unique SC will broke the market ...

If Activision start that project i'll be the most happy fan in the world ...

I don't want TFB to loose profits ofcource!!!

I only share my ideas and this is becouse i'm one of the biggest fan of that game!!!
I have so much things that i want to tell you but if i start i'll write a trilogy! ;)

I don't want to broke no one interests!!!
And i hope TFB and all of you will understand me ...!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on January 24, 2008, 03:42:24 pm
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I speak to collect money and make a financial support to creators of SC2 to make new 2D sequel of SC2 but with great
graphics, music and new storyline
Okay. Well, you have great fun doing that then.

Just remember that although people like us don't need good graphics, the rest of the population of the computerized world does. TFB realizes that, and although they may want to keep the current fan base loyal, they also want to make more money. THAT'S WHY THEY GOT THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

If they make something all 3-d and fancy, more idiots will buy it, even if the plot sucks ass. If it is 2-d with a good story, we might buy it but the idiots won't. Now calculate the number of idiots who like pretty things versus the number of people like us.

The results: more idiots with money=higher profits.
A few fans on a remote internet server who whine about sequels all day=lower profits.
Now, imagine that you are a big gaming company. Do you want more money or less money?

This same formula applies to all commercial products and many governments.

Now then, do you think TFB will really help us all that much with an idea like this?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 24, 2008, 07:21:43 pm
Of course not ...
Money talks!!!
The money are reason people to make mistakes in any attitude...
See Hollywood movies ... everything is for MONEY not for the idea like early years...


If they make something all 3-d and fancy, more idiots will buy it, even if the plot sucks ass. If it is 2-d with a good story, we might buy it but the idiots won't. Now calculate the number of idiots who like pretty things versus the number of people like us.


This is the sad truth...
If you want to see SC made for that PAYING idiots ok i don't want...
TFB can make some other fancy 2D -3D - 4D game for money... why SC why that great game ...?
I understand them 1000% thay are company that must survive ... and thay are righ! I work in company in that bussines too ...

But i sincerely ask them to think for US the real fans - to try to keep the idea of SC2, the great feeling, to make something different not the next game that will be failure...

I don't want to be disappointed!!! not from Star Control!!! Not again!

I see that idea fans to collect the money to finance that project is IMPOSSIBLE...

Then we can wait to see Activision wat will do ...



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on January 24, 2008, 07:36:36 pm
Quote
If you want to see SC made for that PAYING idiots ok i don't want...
I DON'T want to see SC made for paying idiots. I would love it if TFB bit the bullet and stuck with their loyal fans.
But they won't, and that is why I say we shouldn't bother supporting them until we know what this sequel [if it is even being made to completion in the first place] is like.

Quote
I don't want to be disappointed!!! not from Star Control!!!
I agree with you completely on this.

Thus, we must either wait for the new sequel, and hope it isn't a disappointment, or remake the game ourselves.



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zeracles on January 24, 2008, 09:31:50 pm
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I don't want to be disappointed!!! not from Star Control!!!
I agree with you completely on this.

Thus, we must either wait for the new sequel, and hope it isn't a disappointment, or remake the game ourselves.
Yes. Stop trying to throw money at the problem ::) This is an open source game (great starbase, I'm sure it could be useful!). As such, I'm not worried about SC's future :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on January 24, 2008, 10:18:03 pm
Remake is not so interesting ... we have allready Ur-Quan Masters ...
Interesting is Star Control 3!!! new storyline ... Sequel of SC2

Ok then... now we wait to see what will happend with Activison ....

If thay reject we can speak with TFB for any possible options to continue Star Control 2 ...
With our financial help or something else!





Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zeracles on February 05, 2008, 05:32:40 pm
I think the remake is very interesting, it will be remade to perfection, so it will be more perfect than perfect - music, artwork, et cetera. Also, because the game has a lot of unrealised potential, we can build features into the game which have the potential to attract new players, like third person melee (I'd say that this is only a matter of time).

And actually, if I read Dancing Fungus' comments right, he means to also remake sc3 . . . which has the obvious difficulties, but one way or another, we need a sequel, and if one is not forthcoming from the twin gods, the next most legitimate source would be us.

So do not despair, Batkat :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on February 06, 2008, 04:29:38 pm
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And actually, if I read Dancing Fungus' comments right, he means to also remake sc3
Correct. If no one else is going to do it, we might as well give it a try.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Waylander on February 19, 2008, 05:33:24 pm
Maybe remaking SC2 and seeing how well that sells to the before mentioned "idiots" will give TFB the incentive to produce a sequel . I mean from reading the posts throughout this forum im sure that everyone here would purchase a remake of SC2 and would also force friends, family and even complete strangers to buy it. ( Hell I'd dress up as a Utwig and try and sell copies door to door).

The thing is though i can see this going nowhere and me crying myself to sleep. Whoever it was who suggested that if they don't make a sequel we do it  (sorry i can't remember who it was) has the right idea, i mean we could start our own company from the variety of people posting in here. We have a variety of coders and programmers, we have artists and graphics designers, we have hundreds of testers who i'm sure will work for free, i'm sure we have some voice actors amongst us and the musicians are already here, what else could we possibly need?

um yeah STARCON FOREVER!!!! *runs and hides*


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on February 26, 2008, 02:25:24 pm
We cannot make SC2 sequel alone!
If we make something will be game that looks like sc2...
This is not small project ... TFB only can make this!

Art must be in one style ...
Music must be in this great SC 2 style ...
Storyline must be similar like sc2

If we start with freelance without concept art that is approved from one designer ... everything will be different...

When i start with this idea for Sequel maybe i wasn't so clean .... my English is no so good and sometime is hard to express myself, my ideas and feelings...

Will try to explain in few lines ...

The best possible scenario is:
TFB make a contract with Activision and start new sequel with the same idea, feeling, music, storyline... GREAT!!!

Other way is: If contract drop off our hope for SC2 is doomed ...
The only way to see another SC2 in this situation is:

a) TFB make this game alone with their own finances ..... (is hard)

b)We the real fans (if we are.. but this can be easy proof) start to collect money and give them to TFB for that new SC
Help them if is necessary with art work...

But i'm not sure that WE ARE THE REAL FANS ready to make this ...
Is very easy to stay here in that forum speak and cry for SC4  but HARD TO COLLECT MONEY ... SC4 will remain only dream without money!!!

I will stop to write because i'm so disappointed...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Valaggar Redux on February 26, 2008, 03:41:27 pm
Well, something that might be feasible (though with a probability so small that it's basically impossible) would be just paying Paul Reiche III 200,000$ to do the design part, and get the fans to do the rest. Except that 200,000$ isn't much, and I'm not sure how willing Paul would be to make such a sacrifice. Also, Activision would probably be very upset with Paul temporarily leaving TFB to work on a personal project...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on February 26, 2008, 07:29:21 pm
Alright BatkatA, since this is all such a passion to you, how about you be our emissary? Find a way to contact TFB and see if they would be willing to help us. Maybe find out what they are up to. You yourself said we should be doing something other than babbling at each other in a forum. 
It is all hopeless anyway, but why not try? Right? I would do it myself but this is your idea and I have other things to do anyway.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pkunkfury on February 26, 2008, 09:05:18 pm
yes! contact TFB! maybe you could *dance* together!
...jokes apart..maybe you could obtain interesting news!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on February 26, 2008, 09:17:26 pm
Wait wait wait...

I say .. if contract with Activision collapse TFB are free to make with SC everything right... or i miss something???

TFB need help from US with petition. This petition is important for contract with Activision ...
If Activision reject to publish SC4 TFB maby will search for another publisher or will leave this idea for new SC...

If this happend the only one hope for SC is if we collect money and give them to TFB to start the project ...
I think Publishers will be concerned from SC if they see some progress, some demo or whatever ...

I think there is nothing more that i can say ...
I'm not sure is this possible really WE fans to collect some serious SUM ...
If we need 200 000$ only for the idea from Paul ... then ... HUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM!!! A SERIOUS PROBLEM ...

I want SC4 so much that i'm ready to make half artwork!!! :)))





Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Megagun on March 29, 2008, 07:12:55 pm
A few days ago, new news was posted on http://toysforbob.com/

..nothing new on the Star control front though.. :(


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Captain Lime on March 31, 2008, 07:45:52 am
OK..... I just found this site today! I played SC2 back in well a long time ago, But it has IMPACTED MY LIFE! Up till maybe 6 or 7 years ago I used to play this game all the way through at least once a year! Unfortunately my PC crashed and I upgraded. Now I have a hard time getting the game to run correctly. (it looks weird like in tandy not in VGA mode?) The sound and timing is all wrong too. But I digress.... The main reason I registered and posted a message is because I am shocked and thrilled to see such a LARGE group of fanatics as crazy about this game as me!  My solution or request is to have the original SC2 ported to the X-Box 360 Arcade. I believe this would generate considerable revenue for whomever brings the idea to the table.  I mean they emulated games like Arkadian Warriors and Doom 1!  SC2 would rank on the most downloaded instantly!  Those that don't have or know about X-box 360's arcade, it allows you to download nostalgic classic games dating back to nearly the same time as SC2. Like I read elsewhere ==>  FORGET a sequel for now! Remaster the BEST game ever created and allow a new generation to experience it!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Particleman42 on April 13, 2008, 04:30:25 am
My solution or request is to have the original SC2 ported to the X-Box 360 Arcade.

Well, then what about...this? (http://www.bwoot.com/xna/)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Amiga_Nut on April 13, 2008, 04:38:54 am
My solution or request is to have the original SC2 ported to the X-Box 360 Arcade.

Well, then what about...this? (http://www.bwoot.com/xna/)

OMFG o_O XD


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Megagun on April 29, 2008, 12:50:51 pm
There's a new post over at toysforbob.com..

They want to buy a huge world map, and then pin Star Control players' photographs on it, for various reasons...

http://toysforbob.com/


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2008, 02:41:45 pm
They want to buy a huge world map, and then pin Star Control players' photographs on it, for various reasons...

The world map idea is awesome!  I'm gonna get into it first chance I get...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Dancing Fungus on April 29, 2008, 04:26:22 pm
Actual photographs or just goofy pictures representing people in those places?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2008, 04:33:00 pm
Actual photographs or just goofy pictures representing people in those places?

He wants real photos of us, preferably with Star Control-related stuff in the image as well.  We've got nothing to hide, and this is a very creative and interesting way to convince Activision.

I've always wanted to know what it would be like to have my photo on a wall in the TFB offices... :P


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Tiberian on April 29, 2008, 08:22:57 pm
This is excellent. I took a picture of myself flying through hyperspace (someone might say that the picture is 'slightly' staged looking at the coordinates and the modules in the ship) and a friend sent a picture of himself talking with Hayes, playing on a mobile phone.

e-mail has been sent.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Cedric6014 on April 29, 2008, 10:06:09 pm
I fail to see how this would convince Activision that a new star control will shift lots of units. In fact if they fail to get someone for Belgium or somewhere it will prove that the fan base is so tiny that noone in Belgium even plays it.

Regardless I'll send my pic in, I'm pretty sure I'll sew up the NZ spot (unless my brother gets there first! Bastard!)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on April 30, 2008, 12:15:57 am
e-mail has been sent.

Same here.  I just sent mine a few minutes ago.  Come one everybody, help spread the word :D


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Particleman42 on May 01, 2008, 10:40:03 pm
Just sent my picture too!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Pkunkfury on May 17, 2008, 11:22:16 am
Hope a photo from Italy could help...I've sent me and my friend playing melee...
 ;D


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Prowler2885 on May 24, 2008, 06:05:17 am
I'm gonna send a photo of myself working on various art projects (SC2 related of course).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Toka on June 03, 2008, 02:13:23 pm
a picture from germany, showing me holding my hyperspacemap, sc2 running in the background,
has been send :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: sprawl on July 29, 2008, 06:59:25 pm
well till then i be playing spore, I hope.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: ATG on August 27, 2008, 03:46:13 pm
picture from Greece sent!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on September 03, 2008, 02:46:32 pm
Another two pictures from Bulgaria and Russia are sent!!!

many more will be made this days and will be sent.

Here in BG many people know SC II and like it.



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Glory_device on September 13, 2008, 04:50:46 am
I guess I run late ...is there a picture from canada here?!?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Valaggar Redux on September 13, 2008, 07:45:33 pm
Yes, there is at least one (Scott Irving, one of the moderators from the SCDB), but one more can't hurt. At all.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Glory_device on September 14, 2008, 07:44:55 pm
Will do when I get back to my dorm in university ( I left my camera there...)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: DaveStrife on October 03, 2008, 11:07:47 pm
I just sent my picture from here in the UK.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: BatkatA® on October 06, 2008, 04:46:04 pm
Hi guys  :)

Wazzap ... i think it's time to make a pre-order for the collectors edition  ;D

Heh i wait this day from a long time ...

I hope soon will be some progress with Activision.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Glory_device on October 16, 2008, 08:05:52 pm
For those of you that did not know, Activision is now named Activision Blizzard. If I remember well the story, Blizzard (who was part of vivendi) and activision got fusioned (fusion INCLUDE vivendi). That what basicly happen.. so TFB is now in family with Blizzard...seem crazy to me =P


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lord999 on November 09, 2008, 06:45:59 am
I can't figure out why it won't let me in the petition...  >:( >:( >:(

EDIT: Never mind, I got it! I said "PLEASE LET TOYS FOR BOB MAKE ANOTHER GAME!!!!!!" Not completely like that, but you get the general idea.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: psydev on November 11, 2008, 04:40:11 am
Did you say Blizzard...?

Coming Soon:

"World of Star Control"!

I am a level 3 Zebranky with xenolinguistic and cryptanalysis skills.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lord999 on November 11, 2008, 11:00:53 pm
Did you say Blizzard...?

Coming Soon:

"World of Star Control"!

I am a level 3 Zebranky with xenolinguistic and cryptanalysis skills.
Oh yeah?? I am a level 43 Ur-Quan Kor-Ah with the ability to kill people with my mind!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: SilencerNate on January 07, 2009, 08:16:24 pm
What exactly does the Activision/Blizzard merger have to do with Star Control, Accolade, Atari, or Infogrames?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on January 07, 2009, 10:10:53 pm
Activision owns Toys for Bob, which is run by the creators of Star Control, who own the copyright on the Star Control universe.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: SilencerNate on January 08, 2009, 12:00:52 am
Ahh.  I thought after CD they went independent.  Cool deal.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on January 08, 2009, 01:13:47 am
They did. And later Activision bought them.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Justice on January 15, 2009, 10:36:01 pm
ToysForBob news updated yesterday, saying their next game is not Star Control.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Shiver on January 16, 2009, 12:16:35 am
ToysForBob news updated yesterday, saying their next game is not Star Control.

A different game in the same spirit as Star Control right? Not "Tony Honk's Downhill Jam 2"?  :(


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on January 20, 2009, 06:22:41 pm
We can only hope. they said it'd be almost as cool though, so that sounds promising.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Kzzrn on May 27, 2010, 09:05:24 am
So, it's been 4 years since the official petition on TFB's sight has been started, and 10 years at least since the Pages of Now and Forever's petitions. Any progress at all?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Tomsha on May 27, 2010, 04:50:39 pm
I was asking myself the same thing...
It's been so long and the people want another game.
As time goes as loyal as we SC2 fans are, our numbers are getting smaller...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on May 30, 2010, 09:49:11 pm
Which is why it is important that those still around stay active and visible, so that TFB has a vibrant community to point to, not just a couple of half dead forums where some people post every fortnight or so.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: TorNis on June 06, 2010, 12:16:02 pm
I will never abandon StarControl.
TFB are making(slowly) non-StarControl game, so there is no hope I guess.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Kzzrn on June 10, 2010, 08:49:47 pm
Which is why it is important that those still around stay active and visible, so that TFB has a vibrant community to point to, not just a couple of half dead forums where some people post every fortnight or so.

Well unfortunately this forum has slowed down considerably since the beginning. Now it seems there's only a few posts a day.


The community is withering. This forum doesn't get as much attention as before, StarconRPG is dead, the Timewarp project is dead. That community you spoke of did exist 8 years ago, but seemingly not anymore. I hope it comes back.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on June 10, 2010, 10:13:18 pm
Well unfortunately this forum has slowed down considerably since the beginning. Now it seems there's only a few posts a day.

Yeah, it'll be until the next update before this livens up a bit.

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The community is withering.

I disagree, because:

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This forum doesn't get as much attention as before,

Well, this is true but:

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StarconRPG is dead,

But *Heavy Space* (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewforum.php?f=10) has one active RP (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=178), one active CYOA (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=173) and a WinkMurder game (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=146) all set except for a few participants too little. We also had a Mafia game (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=173) play out successfully. That's quite a lot of playing. More than I've seen in the last four years or so all happening right now.

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the Timewarp project is dead.

But Cedric is modding a new adventure for UQM (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=57), Dragon is remaking Star Control (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42) and the guys over at Sins are absolutely flooding us in lovely SC imagery (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=40). Not bad for a measly little fan community like ours.

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That community you spoke of did exist 8 years ago, but seemingly not anymore. I hope it comes back.

Community centres shift at times. When UQM came around it became a natural focal point because it was pretty much the biggest thing ever in our community. But now that it isn't as new any more, things pop up in different places. Frungylovers sees a lot of fan fiction, arts and crafts and other interesting stuff. The SCDB has had several music (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=175&p=2761#p2761) updates, there's fan fiction (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=106) and a rather lively Off Topic section There is a SC comic (http://www.star-control.com/hosted/gl-comic/) with a second issue in production (http://www.star-control.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=115) and a semi-weekly SC webcomic (http://www.ethanfleischer.com/tuqm/) as well.

Seriously. I've been around since 2003 and right now it seems we're flooded with people making music, drawing comics, playing games and so forth. UQMF is the quietest part of the fandom, and this makes me sad. But calling the SC community gone just because this place is quiet is really rather silly.



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Kzzrn on June 11, 2010, 06:42:09 am
Good points. Glad I was wrong.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on June 11, 2010, 06:12:22 pm
Good points. Glad I was wrong.

Excellent. I'm glad to have restored your faith in the community and look forward to seeing you around the different parts of it as an active participant ;)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Yuri_Armstrong on June 16, 2010, 05:57:24 am
I also have to agree that, despite *seeming* low, the SC fanbase is actually huge. I've beta tested many games in the past that usually have incredibly small and slow communities(some you would lay a post on the forum and it would be a week before anyone responded.) Considering how quickly I've gotten responses to posts, and how many posts alone are in this forum, I can happily say that this is a thriving community with a hopefully bright future with the *real* star control III.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on June 16, 2010, 05:11:14 pm
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Seriously. I've been around since 2003 and right now it seems we're flooded with people making music, drawing comics, playing games and so forth. UQMF is the quietest part of the fandom, and this makes me sad.

same here. :'(


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lukipela on June 16, 2010, 11:16:43 pm
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Seriously. I've been around since 2003 and right now it seems we're flooded with people making music, drawing comics, playing games and so forth. UQMF is the quietest part of the fandom, and this makes me sad.

same here. :'(

Stil, UQMF isn't the whole fandom, so we should be all right. :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Kzzrn on June 19, 2010, 05:08:34 pm
Still though, the wait is frustrating. Almost like waiting to send people to Mars, everyone has been talking about it for years but it never seems to get done.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: tingkagol on June 27, 2010, 03:10:46 am
Hello people.

I think I signed the petition years ago.  I'm just a-lurkin'.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: ziper1221 on June 30, 2010, 07:13:18 am
does the TFB website have an rss feed or something so I get an email when they update it??


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Angelfish on June 30, 2010, 08:39:15 am
does the TFB website have an rss feed or something so I get an email when they update it??

just install a google watch :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anthony on June 30, 2010, 06:14:59 pm
does the TFB website have an rss feed or something so I get an email when they update it??
A long time ago, I made a script that converts their news XML to RSS Format. http://starcontroller.com/tfb.php
It's been over a year since they've updated the news page.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: ziper1221 on July 04, 2010, 01:02:39 am
oh wow! google alerts is even better than an rss.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: up turned crafish on July 09, 2010, 09:48:44 pm
is there any news on stardock purching the copywright on starcontrol?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: DangerMouse on August 07, 2010, 09:49:21 am
Just adding the fact that I'm still waiting for an amazing sequel to live up to Star Control 2. .... amazed that I was able to get star control 2 started up on my Droid X phone in aDosbox... only problem is, once in game I have no control due to lack of a full keyboard layout, and some faulty virtual keys in aDosbox. Any way someone can port The Ur-Quan Masters to support the java based android OS? So I can still play the original on the go while dreaming of playing a sequel that will live up to the reputation.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Main on November 16, 2010, 06:52:35 am
Is the petition still going on? I tried to add an entry, only to be met with a blank page.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: alien_fan on November 18, 2010, 12:55:58 am
Hello,

I would like to see another "Star Control II", something people would like to see instead of Star Control 3.  I'm not sure what it would entail, but I like the scheme of exploring planets for minerals, energy and biological sources, meeting aliens as friends and enemies and some larger plot, perhaps a different kind of war.  Which races may we like to use?  Some of the same?  All of the same?  Completely different?

I like the mixture of computer-type games where you mostly select from menus and listen to aliens converse with you, and then a bit of more arcade-style participation in the game.  I like learning things as I go along
and the non-linear setup of which aliens you visit first.  Yes, you have to visit the closer stars first, but you still get a bit of freedom of who you see when.

I perused this area of the forum and didn't see a petition or an email address or anything.  If I knew how to ask for a sequel on the internet or snail mail, I'd be willing to do it if I could make a difference.
I think Star Control II is my favorite video or computer game I've ever been able to play.  Unfortunately, now that I've played most of it out, there's no point to playing it again.

BYE.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: meep-eep on December 14, 2010, 07:34:37 pm
Is the petition still going on? I tried to add an entry, only to be met with a blank page.
Yikes. It has been broken for a while now. I fixed it now.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: tingkagol on February 22, 2011, 08:56:08 am
Quote
I would like to see another "Star Control II", something people would like to see instead of Star Control 3.
I've been reading articles in the Ultronomicon (http://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Main_Page) the past hour, and it made me realize how much I want an SC2 sequel...

I think Toys for Bob can really pull off an indie release, like what Frictional Games did for Amnesia (if their contract with Activision allows it), or if not, Paul Reiche and Fred Ford should just make the damn sequel under a new company name and fund it out of their own pockets or something already. I'm sure a lot of old-time fans will be there come release date, ready to devour the finished product, provided it's anywhere near as good as SC2 or even better. But in all honestly, if they, at the very least, followed the base SC2 formula, I think they can't go wrong.

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Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Ahmed on April 21, 2011, 04:12:09 pm
I would like that he makes a game sequel to Star Control 2, with all ships from SC1, SC2 and SC3. Star Control 3 is not a so good game. Star Control 2 is better.  SC3 has a boring story in epic mode. Star Control 1 has a good full game mode.
I would like that he includes:
- Epic mode (He will surely include it)
- Melee (He will surely include it) and
- Full game mode from Star Control. I still like that game mode.
I am for a new Star Control game!
 
 :)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: chiguireitor on June 08, 2011, 04:01:00 am
So... i'm new here, but been playing Star Control since 1990 and have replayed the three games since last year (yes, even SC3) and i'm working on a spin-off which is based heavily on SC2 (graphics and gameplay, not yet ready to spill the beans on the intended gameplay  ;) )... however, i would like to know some things:
  • Is there any restriction on the use of the graphics/sounds/music for a commercial remake? (freemium model, pointing to UQM for the credits  ;) )
  • Is there any possibility to have Paul Reiche and Fred Ford involved in the project? do they read these forums? i would really really like to construct a REAL sequel instead of a partial spin-off

All in all, the super melee code is working nicely right now and i (my team) will be furthening the project into existence (at least without a new "alternate" storyline like SC3 *ugh*) in the months after we finish our current project .

I'm open for the debate...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on June 08, 2011, 04:43:50 am
So... i'm new here, but been playing Star Control since 1990 and have replayed the three games since last year (yes, even SC3) and i'm working on a spin-off which is based heavily on SC2 (graphics and gameplay, not yet ready to spill the beans on the intended gameplay  ;) )... however, i would like to know some things:
  • Is there any restriction on the use of the graphics/sounds/music for a commercial remake? (freemium model, pointing to UQM for the credits  ;) )
  • Is there any possibility to have Paul Reiche and Fred Ford involved in the project? do they read these forums? i would really really like to construct a REAL sequel instead of a partial spin-off

All in all, the super melee code is working nicely right now and i (my team) will be furthening the project into existence (at least without a new "alternate" storyline like SC3 *ugh*) in the months after we finish our current project .

I'm open for the debate...

This seems like it should have its own topic. Anyways, the content of UQM is under a Creative Commons non-commercial license (Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5, to be exact); see COPYING.txt. As for getting Fred and Paul involved in your project, I wouldn't hold my breath, though it probably wouldn't hurt to ask them directly (E-mail).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Cedric6014 on June 08, 2011, 05:22:32 am
Sounds pretty ambitious. If your plan results in creation of an official sequel then God's speed to you.

But otherwise, have you considered joining Project6014?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: chiguireitor on June 08, 2011, 06:24:24 pm
onpon4: I see a CC Attribution-2.0 and CC Attribution-NonCommercial-Sharealike 2.5 in the COPYING.TXT file... what license covers what content? also, who's the copyright holder here? TFB? Activision?. I'm only covering the commercial aspect because my project will need some money to back it :-)

Also, any pointers to where one can find those emails (please, don't post them here, let's avoid spam on their inbox).

Sorry for bugging everyone here, i'm a little bit excited at the prospect of this project coming to fruition.

Cedric6014: i read the Project6014 thread... but our project has a radically different approach (the code base is a start from scratch, not based on the UQM code, we have been using just the content).


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on June 08, 2011, 11:55:58 pm
onpon4: I see a CC Attribution-2.0 and CC Attribution-NonCommercial-Sharealike 2.5 in the COPYING.TXT file... what license covers what content? also, who's the copyright holder here? TFB? Activision?. I'm only covering the commercial aspect because my project will need some money to back it :-)

I believe it's the latter. Of course, I am just a random person. I could be wrong. But don't rely on being able to use the UQM content for a commercial project unless you're very sure that you will be able to in the end.

Also, any pointers to where one can find those emails (please, don't post them here, let's avoid spam on their inbox).

The TFB website lists an Email address, apparently Alex Ness. Not sure if it's of any help. http://toysforbob.com/ (http://toysforbob.com/)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: dczanik on July 01, 2011, 08:10:08 am
So... i'm new here, but been playing Star Control since 1990 and have replayed the three games since last year (yes, even SC3) and i'm working on a spin-off which is based heavily on SC2 (graphics and gameplay, not yet ready to spill the beans on the intended gameplay  ;) )... however, i would like to know some things:
  • Is there any restriction on the use of the graphics/sounds/music for a commercial remake? (freemium model, pointing to UQM for the credits  ;) )
  • Is there any possibility to have Paul Reiche and Fred Ford involved in the project? do they read these forums? i would really really like to construct a REAL sequel instead of a partial spin-off

All in all, the super melee code is working nicely right now and i (my team) will be furthening the project into existence (at least without a new "alternate" storyline like SC3 *ugh*) in the months after we finish our current project .

I'm open for the debate...

I've got a lot of hi-res 2D artwork I've already made.  Just PM me if you need anything.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: vardath on July 31, 2011, 02:58:41 pm
New entry in the petition from me.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: DreamWeaver on October 16, 2011, 12:57:56 pm
Hi.

Is there still a chance of this happening? I REALLY HOPE SO!!!

It has probably been going on for quite some time but I just found out yesterday that they are making another dungeon keeper! How in the hell can another Star Control be denied??

TOYS FOR BOB JUST DO IT ALREADY, you do all the work anyway why are you letting someone tell you what and what NOT to do!!??


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on October 16, 2011, 11:00:51 pm
Because they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Activision now, which puts a bit of a damper on their ability to choose their projects freely. Given the choice, I'm sure they would have had a sequel for us already, but the Activision execs are not interested in funding the project.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: DreamWeaver on October 17, 2011, 09:17:38 am
So it's over? No matter what we say?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Alvarin on October 17, 2011, 12:25:47 pm
No and yes. We are, apparently, too small a group to warrant a market for SC4(3?) now. But it is still possible someday.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Draxas on October 17, 2011, 03:56:18 pm
Maybe they can revisit the idea once the undoubtedly ongoing Skylanders project is under control and the majority of TFB's staff don't have to devote their full attention to it.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on October 17, 2011, 06:40:23 pm
I don't know, I think all of us would be pissed if Activision decided it wanted to make SC4 (you know, a sequel to SC3), including FF&PR. And calling a new sequel to SC2 "Star Control 4" would be confusing. Even using a plain subtitle without a number would be better.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 04, 2011, 12:52:02 am
Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. There! Was! No! Star! Control! Three!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on November 04, 2011, 02:24:34 am
Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. There! Was! No! Star! Control! Three!

Exactly why there shouldn't be a sequel to it.

It would be less of a waste of effort to make a new game called Turd Wars.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Elerium on November 04, 2011, 01:26:42 pm
Personally I could stomach it if they had to stick the races of SCNot3 in somehow only if it was part of some agreement to make a SC3, I trust FF and PRIII would come up with some creative way to explain it whilst brushing it off as discontinuity. I maintain the view though that it's better for all of us if SCNot3 was forgotten, how such a poor game rode on the back of a good one and garnered top shelf reviews back in the day is just..

By which case at least we'd be getting a SC3 but I'd have a sour face stuck as to what would go on. It's like PR3 and FF would be forced to accept a fanfiction as canon- a horrible prospect and insulting.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: tingkagol on November 08, 2011, 03:03:16 am
A think a simple "Star Control" for the new title will do.



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 08, 2011, 07:42:24 am
It's like PR3 and FF would be forced to accept a fanfiction as canon- a horrible prospect and insulting.

Nonsense. It's still not as bad as SC3.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Lorfarius on February 19, 2012, 01:58:20 pm
With the recent Tim Schafer success with the whole Kickstarter graphic adventure title, it might be worth a push for a 4th game on there.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Nuffa on February 22, 2012, 12:14:46 pm
I Already sent an e-mail to Toys for Bob is there anything els i can do to help  ???


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Waylander on August 15, 2012, 08:56:36 am
With the recent Tim Schafer success with the whole Kickstarter graphic adventure title, it might be worth a push for a 4th game on there.

Realise this was a while ago (and I haven't been around in like 3 years) but was wanting to reinforce this point.

Kickstarter is making a HUGE difference to the way small companies are doing business. Anyone with a good idea which is legitimately marketable gets like 15x their required amount of 'donations'.

TFB is owned by Acti which is as quite a few people have said why they have little control over their project control. IF however (and maybe its a huge if) there were considerable evidence of marketability via a large Kickstarter response from SC2 fans then maybe Acti would give them free reign to produce a worthy successor.

And even if Acti DIDNT release TFB to produce a successor the Kickstarter support would allow TFB to create a new company and produce anyway. Maybe Toys for Blob?
Toys for Bob 2: Electric Boogaloo?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Fatrick on September 26, 2012, 06:17:11 pm
There is also Steam Greenlight.

Games like the original Worms are getting onto Steam now, a game like this could do well.
What better place to get a PC Game going, than the most popular PC game platform available

http://steamcommunity.com/greenlight


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: fwibbler on November 06, 2012, 10:50:35 am
Even David Braben is using the Kickstarter website for the next version of Elite
Elite: Dangerous
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous?ref=live (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous?ref=live)
I wonder how much could be raised for a new Star Control?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zannis on February 09, 2013, 03:57:54 am
In recent TfB news:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/over-100-million-skylanders-toys-sold-6403581

Their latest Spyro games are a huge success, as the real life toys interact with the video game.  Kids must be going crazy for them.

This could mean one of two things for those of us hoping for a true SC sequel someday;  Either the success over at TfB is going to force SC further out of Paul and Fred's priorities to the point where a sequel remains a pipe dream, or they could somehow leverage this success over at Activision to finally get them to try a bit harder to make this happen.

Time will tell.  When it comes to this, I refuse to ever give up hope.



Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: ArkAngel on February 09, 2013, 06:46:51 am
In recent TfB news:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/over-100-million-skylanders-toys-sold-6403581

Their latest Spyro games are a huge success, as the real life toys interact with the video game.  Kids must be going crazy for them.

This could mean one of two things for those of us hoping for a true SC sequel someday;  Either the success over at TfB is going to force SC further out of Paul and Fred's priorities to the point where a sequel remains a pipe dream, or they could somehow leverage this success over at Activision to finally get them to try a bit harder to make this happen.

Time will tell.  When it comes to this, I refuse to ever give up hope.


All we can do is hope. Semper fidelis my friend.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on February 10, 2013, 03:22:29 pm
With the announcement of a new Space quest called Space venture, and an extension of the monkey island adventure already done (tales of monkey island) Can anyone of those companies not help this Epic Creation Star Control ?

Lucas now owned by Disney, if they are willing to do these things for those excellent quest games why can something similar not happen for Star Control. :( :( !


They need to make using the landers adventurous and exciting and challenging, similar to what the units look like in rts games, and with the awesome effects they create these days (planet weather craft effects) in (cnc type  games)


Regarding the landers on a new SC game:

They need to make it for one to personally steer the units (landers) onto the newly scouted mysterious planet with all the awesome weather effects and land somewhere of interest / resource rich, all manually controlling the craft (man what magic one could create with todays technology) With so many planets to discover and explore..... heck i'll quit my job just to play this full time... :)

Star Control has an insanely amount of potential, it could take RTS into a revolutionary change (as long as they keep the exploring factor up) Space is insanely vast and awesome. Star Control is an untapped masterpiece !


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on February 10, 2013, 03:38:45 pm
I mean how could such a genius game just be left out of human kind, we humans are made to explore outer space. Star Control is the Root that fuels that excitement ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! I am truly at a loss for words and will forever be until they make the next STAR CONTROL ALREADY ! ! ! ! !


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 06, 2013, 05:10:51 am
I think by this point Paul and Fred have moved on and saw this project and so decided to leave it up to the fans to complete star control 3.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Rapajez on August 07, 2013, 08:38:43 am
Read your headlines! They've already been contacted by Stardock, and will supposedly be "involved" in the reboot this fall. Not a ton of details I've seen, other than that. Here's a comforting interview with Star Dock. They sound like real UQM fans. I can't wait to see the results!

http://www.rtsguru.com/article/6311/Stardocks-Derek-Paxton-on-Resurrecting-a-Classic-Franchise-Star-Control.html

We may un-sticky this topic yet! !


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 07, 2013, 08:50:49 am
It wouldn't be as much like Star Control as you expected. As business men Stardock would have to recognize that the Star Control series was not widely popular, not to mention that as a company they would be afraid of copywrite issues, even if many of the people who managed to play it are large fans. But anyway, maybe we don't need to wait with p6014 going to be reactivated soon.
I'd like to report that with the writing of many other key fans I am having great success creating the "ultimate" plotline for p6014 that finds a place for all races and closes all the loose ends that were desperately awaiting an answer in a way that utilizes key details of what already exists on the wiki page, so be sure not to look on the wiki if you don't want to see any spoilers, but have faith that a good story is being produced.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Rapajez on August 08, 2013, 06:54:47 am
If you read any of the articles, Star Dock now OWNs the Star Control "copyrights", and have already contacted Paul directly, to have him involved. The lead "business man" has already said he's a Star Control fan, and has even played UQM. He actually quoted some of the orz lines in an interview. :)

Not that I wouldn't love to see Project 6014 completed, just that you may be more excited about the Star Dock reboot,  if you actually read anything about it.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 09, 2013, 07:44:27 pm
I'd hope stardock does something good but last time another company got involved star control 3 came out, it seems worrying they aren't going to listen to bob just like how fox didn't listen to Joss Whedon about the first 6 episodes of doll house and continuing firefly.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 09, 2013, 09:40:45 pm
Well I sent two emails to 2 different parts of star dock asking if they would be willing to have any kind of community participation in designing the project.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Rapajez on August 10, 2013, 09:26:20 pm
They've already posted multiple times on this very forum that they will be lots of community involvement. I'm not sure if you're reading the same things, but Star Dock is going out of its way to get Paul and co. involved. They actually agreed on this forum ("frogboy"?), that Star Control 3 wasn't great. Go read some articles, or the primary thread a few posts down.

Not trying to sound like a fan boy, but I think this is the best shot we'll get, 20 years late, at a real, new, Star Control game. I'm excited!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 13, 2013, 06:22:43 pm
They've already posted multiple times on this very forum that they will be lots of community involvement. I'm not sure if you're reading the same things, but Star Dock is going out of its way to get Paul and co. involved. They actually agreed on this forum ("frogboy"?), that Star Control 3 wasn't great. Go read some articles, or the primary thread a few posts down.

Not trying to sound like a fan boy, but I think this is the best shot we'll get, 20 years late, at a real, new, Star Control game. I'm excited!

I saw like one stardock article and then a youtube response that Paul and Fred sent out saying "we'll get to the next star control...eventually", and that's about it.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Rapajez on August 15, 2013, 06:20:23 am
They've already posted multiple times on this very forum that they will be lots of community involvement. I'm not sure if you're reading the same things, but Star Dock is going out of its way to get Paul and co. involved. They actually agreed on this forum ("frogboy"?), that Star Control 3 wasn't great. Go read some articles, or the primary thread a few posts down.

Not trying to sound like a fan boy, but I think this is the best shot we'll get, 20 years late, at a real, new, Star Control game. I'm excited!

I saw like one stardock article and then a youtube response that Paul and Fred sent out saying "we'll get to the next star control...eventually", and that's about it.

I don't think you're using the same Google.

There's more than enough threads here,  and lots of info out there now. Not going to bother repeating anything here. Suffice to say, it's an exciting time to be a SC fan.

And this doesn't mean Project 6014 can't still be developed in parallel. (Assuming anyone is still working on it.) The 2 projects are unrelated.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on August 16, 2013, 05:14:59 pm
They've already posted multiple times on this very forum that they will be lots of community involvement. I'm not sure if you're reading the same things, but Star Dock is going out of its way to get Paul and co. involved. They actually agreed on this forum ("frogboy"?), that Star Control 3 wasn't great. Go read some articles, or the primary thread a few posts down.

Not trying to sound like a fan boy, but I think this is the best shot we'll get, 20 years late, at a real, new, Star Control game. I'm excited!

I saw like one stardock article and then a youtube response that Paul and Fred sent out saying "we'll get to the next star control...eventually", and that's about it.
There's defanitely stuff from Fwiffo I saw, but that's mostly stuff about SC2, not the real UQM2. p6014 couldn't possiblt compare with the hundred programmers and artists that stardock has, so it would be more worth it to complete it if stardock has yet to complete their SC project for a looong time, but i don't know exactly how long or complicated they are going to make the game, so I can't really estimate how long it will take.

I don't think you're using the same Google.

There's more than enough threads here,  and lots of info out there now. Not going to bother repeating anything here. Suffice to say, it's an exciting time to be a SC fan.

And this doesn't mean Project 6014 can't still be developed in parallel. (Assuming anyone is still working on it.) The 2 projects are unrelated.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Zannis on October 02, 2013, 05:29:43 pm
I'm very happy that Stardock seems to respect the franchise where Accolade did not.  I was worried they would try to remove Ur Quan Masters to protect their new investment, so them saying they're fans of UQM is good news.  Who knows, maybe Stardock might allow the UQM team to properly rename it to Star Control II someday!

Stardock might be a small company, but they've carved out a niche for themselves in creating quality 4X games in the tradition of Civ and Masters of Orion.  They've got the basic foundation to create a successful SC2 reboot.  What they're not known for would be in depth writing and characterization, which is a very important piece to the Star Control puzzle.  We want these aliens to be interesting and funny.  Especially funny.  It's SC2's humor that stood out to me when I originally played it.  How Stardock will handle the story is anyone's guess.

I think it's great that they've reached out to Paul and Fred, and I hope they can convince them to contribute.  If not, then at the very least, I would hope that Paul and Fred create a 'spiritual successor' to Star Control someday.  A new property that they would own themselves.  Regardless, it's good that the ownership of the franchise has passed on to someone who actually gives a s**t. 

We all have high hopes and expectations, Stardock! We know you're reading this forum! Don't let us down!


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: ThriveDev on October 20, 2013, 10:33:55 am
I'm very happy that Stardock seems to respect the franchise where Accolade did not.  I was worried they would try to remove Ur Quan Masters to protect their new investment, so them saying they're fans of UQM is good news.  Who knows, maybe Stardock might allow the UQM team to properly rename it to Star Control II someday!

Stardock might be a small company, but they've carved out a niche for themselves in creating quality 4X games in the tradition of Civ and Masters of Orion.  They've got the basic foundation to create a successful SC2 reboot.  What they're not known for would be in depth writing and characterization, which is a very important piece to the Star Control puzzle.  We want these aliens to be interesting and funny.  Especially funny.  It's SC2's humor that stood out to me when I originally played it.  How Stardock will handle the story is anyone's guess.

I think it's great that they've reached out to Paul and Fred, and I hope they can convince them to contribute.  If not, then at the very least, I would hope that Paul and Fred create a 'spiritual successor' to Star Control someday.  A new property that they would own themselves.  Regardless, it's good that the ownership of the franchise has passed on to someone who actually gives a s**t. 

We all have high hopes and expectations, Stardock! We know you're reading this forum! Don't let us down!

I agree with you so much!  ;)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: onpon4 on October 20, 2013, 04:38:18 pm
I was worried they would try to remove Ur Quan Masters to protect their new investment, so them saying they're fans of UQM is good news.

That's a totally unnecessary worry. There is no copyright infringement in The Ur-Quan Masters, and neither the GNU General Public License (which the source code is under) nor CC BY-NC-SA (which the data files are under) are revocable. Even if Stardock intended to shut UQM down, it would not be possible. (Well, software idea patents can shut pretty much any free software project down, but patent absurdity is off-topic.)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on October 26, 2013, 04:39:42 pm
Outstanding ! ! ! ! !  what's all this negative mumbling by fakemcoy ! ?????  My friend it's a new STAR CONTROL and StarDock is getting the Masters involved. This is  absolutely Awesome !!!!, the reason there weren't many players back then is because there were not many people playing pc games back then ! Yes it may sound funny, but many People were not into gaming and more into going to the movies and watching tv back then ! ! !

MOREOVER, those who did not play it, never knew how addicting and exciting this piece of art was back in the day, there weren't proper review sites and advertising  could hardly have been called advertisement compared to today's standards ! ! ! !

Today, RPG and RTS games is a multi million dollar industry. With a new Star Control, it's uniquely captivating genre and how well it all comes together in actual gameplay, Stir it up with the captivating magical atmosphere of Star Control, the endless ever so interesting planets, the multi diverse cultures, the interesting and technologically unique combat spacecraft, upgradability, and exploring the universe in one awesome upgradable MotherShip ONLY Star Control can provide, a surprise around each corner.

The very cleverly thought out combat scenarios and physics, weapons and special abilities of the different alien spacecraft, if they keep the above elements as captivating as sc2, the universe vast as the universe is, interesting, action oriented, mysterious, beautiful, with an intriguing storyline, they will beat todays rpg/rts competition to their knees hands down.

Then Star Control will rise to nr 1 there is absolutely NO DOUBT about that, as they deserved this position for more than a decade now, but nothing being done until NOW.  Another thing that was awesome was that it was very realistic and in tune with science fiction technology that actually might one day be realised.

As well as the fact that you can run out of fuel in a distant corner of the universe if you don't plan your trip with thought by adding fuel tanks, compromising by having less storage space etc....All very realistic complementing the excitement that you are an explorer
that needs to think, and you have to rely on your abilities and your ship to survive.....  Having alien's tracking you in hyperspace and catch you as you try to outmaneuver them that can lead to an interesting twist or unexpected outcome, quasi space was very mysterious and provided an interesting understanding of what the universe actually might be like if hidden or untapped region's is somehow to be discovered. i can go on and on and on and on....  WOW  This is truly exciting !!!!!!

Wake up my friends this is the best news i've heard in 10 years ! ! ! ! ! You will be able to explore the UNIVERSE ! ! ! How awesome is that !

Just thinking about how extremely successful this will  be if they stick to the addicting factor related to sc2, it will fill a VAST void wrt to a Space Adventure, standing side by side, and surpassing the success of the top RTS and RPG's of today.

You want the key to the universe ? This is it my friends. Stardock, Paul and Fred can make it happen !

Where can i find the latest update ?





Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: AngusThermopyle on January 08, 2014, 08:12:24 pm
Another article on the Stardock title:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/stardock-ceo-reveals-details-about-new-star-control-title-in-development/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/stardock-ceo-reveals-details-about-new-star-control-title-in-development/)


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: FakeMccoy on January 09, 2014, 07:31:02 am
Outstanding ! ! ! ! !  what's all this negative mumbling by fakemcoy ! ?????
Stardock was considering not involving Fred and Paul, which another company found was a BIG mistake. But stardock seems to value Fred and Paul's opinions so that's great, I just hope their contract with  will be up soon enough that they can switch over to working with stardock.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on April 18, 2014, 07:25:53 pm
Another article on the Stardock title:
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/stardock-ceo-reveals-details-about-new-star-control-title-in-development/ (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/01/stardock-ceo-reveals-details-about-new-star-control-title-in-development/)


Outstanding !!! I was away on a North Pole expedition, i only arrived back a week ago to find this wonderful link you posted, it is news such as this that inspires me to explore the unknown and void areas of our planet. I truly believe exploring the uiniverse is what we as humans were ultimately made to do.

Thanks you Brad, Fred and Paul for working on this awe inspiring title ! ! !

FM, yes i'm glad they all got involved, exactly what we needed from the very start, i truly wish i could observe these 3 sprightly individuals as they work together to do their magic on this series, all three of them sharing the same passion and inspiration for this awe inspiring title ! ! I can't wait for the next news article better yet a few screenies to temporary tame my hunger for a New Star Control Title which has been overdue for so long now ! ! !




Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Rapajez on April 23, 2014, 10:22:36 pm
Outstanding !!! I was away on a North Pole expedition, i only arrived back a week ago to find this wonderful link you posted, it is news such as this that inspires me to explore the unknown and void areas of our planet. I truly believe exploring the uiniverse is what we as humans were ultimately made to do.

Thanks you Brad, Fred and Paul for working on this awe inspiring title ! ! !

FM, yes i'm glad they all got involved, exactly what we needed from the very start, i truly wish i could observe these 3 sprightly individuals as they work together to do their magic on this series, all three of them sharing the same passion and inspiration for this awe inspiring title ! ! I can't wait for the next news article better yet a few screenies to temporary tame my hunger for a New Star Control Title which has been overdue for so long now ! ! !

More recent articles make it seem like Activision won't Fred and Paul contribute. At least not officially. That's why Stardock is currently pitching more of a reboot/alternate reality approach. What's really lame is they might not even be using any of the SCII races, ships, locations, etc. :(


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on April 27, 2014, 05:04:02 pm
Outstanding !!! I was away on a North Pole expedition, i only arrived back a week ago to find this wonderful link you posted, it is news such as this that inspires me to explore the unknown and void areas of our planet. I truly believe exploring the uiniverse is what we as humans were ultimately made to do.

Thanks you Brad, Fred and Paul for working on this awe inspiring title ! ! !

FM, yes i'm glad they all got involved, exactly what we needed from the very start, i truly wish i could observe these 3 sprightly individuals as they work together to do their magic on this series, all three of them sharing the same passion and inspiration for this awe inspiring title ! ! I can't wait for the next news article better yet a few screenies to temporary tame my hunger for a New Star Control Title which has been overdue for so long now ! ! !

More recent articles make it seem like Activision won't Fred and Paul contribute. At least not officially. That's why Stardock is currently pitching more of a reboot/alternate reality approach. What's really lame is they might not even be using any of the SCII races, ships, locations, etc. :(

that sucks


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: UrQuanian on April 27, 2014, 05:09:58 pm
If  the new sc is going to be an altered version from the originality of sc2 without FRED AND PAUL'S involvement i'm not getting it. I welcome new races that's ok but they should keep the old races too, and if the game is going to turn into something else and not retain the excitement of the original sc2, it won't be worth it.

I don't mind a few new ideas but past titles in gaming have proved this approach to take away the spirit of the game. SC2 was made with extreme passion for exploration and the ships looked and performed the part, all unique looking with brilliant special abilities, if there's one thing they should get right to start with, it's the mothership and combat ships, how they look is important, and how they perform is equally important,  travelling to distant galaxies and planets should feel like a n accomplishment in itself as in Sc2, planets should be interesting and exciting to explore. However all this to no avail if they make  a new star control that does not retain the excitement of Sc2.

The main thing is if they change it in such a way that surpasses the brilliance of Sc2 i'd be all for it, however, that is a rare scenario to pull of with flying colours, keep the old concept and add to that tor better it, completely changing it into something different is going to be hard to pull off successfully.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Tealdragon204 on March 21, 2016, 01:46:36 am
Personally ,I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of SC2 (updating to today's gaming standards) rather than a sequal. A remake could have everything we love ,updated, and still have totally new added content (without getting too carried away). Landing on planets could envolve a "lunar lander" style option. The universe could be gentely scrambled for a unique game experience every time. Many new quests could be added as an addition to the classic game and it's story/timeline. Basicly take what rocks about the existing SC2 and make it better. The story, the universe, the 2D meele, etc...

SC3 is a perfect example of what could go wrong with a sequal and should be avoided at all costs IMO.
I'd rather see a sequel. Changing Star Control II (Reskinning it) feels to me what George Lucas does with the Star Wars series, changing a bit, some good, some bad, but the original is still the best


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: SuperTamaru on March 21, 2016, 11:02:49 am
Personally ,I wouldn't mind seeing a remake of SC2 (updating to today's gaming standards) rather than a sequal. A remake could have everything we love ,updated, and still have totally new added content (without getting too carried away). Landing on planets could envolve a "lunar lander" style option. The universe could be gentely scrambled for a unique game experience every time. Many new quests could be added as an addition to the classic game and it's story/timeline. Basicly take what rocks about the existing SC2 and make it better. The story, the universe, the 2D meele, etc...

SC3 is a perfect example of what could go wrong with a sequal and should be avoided at all costs IMO.
I'd rather see a sequel. Changing Star Control II (Reskinning it) feels to me what George Lucas does with the Star Wars series, changing a bit, some good, some bad, but the original is still the best

Look at the stardock forums for the status of the new StarControl game: http://forums.stardock.com/forum/1053

Note that this game will be a reboot and will NOT have anything that Fred and Paul have created, and as such is an alternative timeline. This is to keep the door open for Fred and Paul to be able to return to their work and pick up where they left off. From what I gather, at least.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Death 999 on April 09, 2016, 01:48:36 am
Not so much for that purpose, as the best they could do with the material they got rights to.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Anikitos on April 10, 2016, 09:22:36 pm
There is going to be a new Star Control title? To be honest I still play the old ones every now and then, best space themed games ever


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Sargon on January 11, 2017, 07:19:35 am
Looks really cool!
I am sure I will like this game...
However, I am slightly disappointed from the too common "too many details" design of ships and characters(from the video).
A lot of new games seem to have too many "functional details" or too many ornaments.
The design of the ship and character seem to suffer from it to a degree...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Death 999 on January 12, 2017, 02:06:13 am
Some Star Control ships are economical with details. Others, not so much. Looked at a Jugger lately?

Do you have any particular of the new ships in mind that this complaint is about?


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Sargon on January 12, 2017, 09:01:18 pm
It's harder to tell of the ships.
The player ship seems to have modules kind of like the one in SC2.
I only had a glimpse of the other ship and the concept artwork is just concept at this stage...

However, the alien himself had too many distractions.
He had those 4 spheres with their own patterns which are very distracting, then his head "crown" with hexagons, and the "Holographic" screens.
It's too busy and has too much diversity in geomerty and design? Not sure how to put this...

But it will be an awesome game I am sure. It's just a really small complaint...


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: mohi11 on October 19, 2017, 08:45:55 am
A few days ago, Toys for Bob, the creators of Star Control 1 and 2 (but not 3) made it known that they were in talks with the Powers That Be at Activision about what their next game should be.

They decided that the stars are right for a new Star Control, and they're asking for our help in convincing Activision to let them make one. If we can send them support, they can show that to Activision as a powerful argument.

I've set up a petition page (http://sc2.sourceforge.net/) where you can find more info, as well as a form where you can send a mail directly from your browser.
You can also find their postal address there; a snail-mail letter is bound to carry more weight.

Please spread the word.

Note that the petition page on the Pages of Now and Forever mentioned in the original announcement on the Toys For Bob website (http://www.toysforbob.com/) is old and broken. Use the form on the petition website, or mail 'alex at toysforbob.directly' directly.

UPDATE: Alex Ness from Toys for Bob is making a map with photographs of Star Control fans from all over the world, to show Activision that there is world-wide support for a new Star Control, and to make sure that Star Control gets talked about whenever someone from Activision visits the office. You can read about it here (http://sc2.sourceforge.net/#photomap).

that's fantastic story...


Title: Ghosts of the Precursors.
Post by: Krulle on October 19, 2017, 09:35:52 am
Want a better story?

Read THIS THREAD (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=6968.0), because our dreams are becoming reality.
It's just that not TfB will create the game. It'll be an indie by FF and PRiii.

There's also some more information in that thread (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=6975.0).


Really, two news threads for this, and nobody thought of updating this thread with the news?

I think we can also unsticky this one, and sticky one of the others instead. Or even merge the two others and sticky the merged thread.


Title: Re: NEWS: Toys for Bob go for a new Star Control and need your help (READ!)
Post by: Death 999 on April 06, 2018, 08:10:16 pm
I'm unstickying this. It seems a mite non-needful.