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Title: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 22, 2002, 08:05:44 pm
Replaying SC2 has got me thinking about all the other great old games that simply don't work on new computers. I'm kinda interested to see what other SC2 fans played back in the day. What are some other great games you guys used to love playing?

Some of my old favs --

X-Com - The first three X-Com games, UFO Defense, Terror from the Deep, and Apocalypse, were fantastic games. You had to shoot down UFOs, then send troops in to investigate in turn-based tactical combat. You'd start out at a major disadvantage to the aliens, like in X-Com 1 your troops would start with conventional guns while the aliens had plasma weapons, but then through capturing downed UFOs you could research their technology and use it against them.

Quest for Glory - A series of point and click adventures games similar to King's Quest or Monkey Island. The only difference was that you could pick a class at the start of the game, fighter, thief, or magic-user, and the solutions to the games puzzles would be different depending on your class. There was also combat, and your fighting skills, magic abilities, thieving skills, etc. would get better through using them. One of the coolest parts was the ability to import your character from one game to the next.

Emperor of the Fading Suns - EoFS is basically Civilization on multiple planets. You control one of five noble houses that are fighting over the galaxy, you start on one planet and have to conquer the rest. You also have to deal with a greedy merchant league, a not-so-nice church complete with inquisitors, and two different races of alien invaders.

Ultima VII - Ultima is one of the better RPG series' out there, but Ultima VII was amazing. You could do a ton of stuff... you could even get a job baking bread if you want. Fantastic game.


So what other great games am I not remembering?


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: PsiPhi on December 22, 2002, 10:03:53 pm
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Quest for Glory - A series of point and click adventures games similar to King's Quest or Monkey Island.

Actually the first two Quest for Glory games used a text parser interface along with arrow key controls for movement.  There was a remake of the first one into a pure mouse-clickable interface (along with King's Quest1, Space Quest1, and Leisure Suit Larry1) although according to Sierra, these remakes proved to be highly unpopular (though I liked them since I don't enjoy all the typing and "guess the right word" involved in those games).

Overall, you have some good choices and one I never heard of (Emperor of the Fading Suns).  I wish I had some, but nothing comes to mind right now.  My tastes tend to be more adventure/RPG style.  Star Control was one of those rare exceptions where I enjoyed the action aspect of it as well.

I didn't get to play X-Com until it was considered old.  At first, I found it really annoying and hard to play, but after a while, I learned how to fight better (smarter) and I got addicted.

Unfortunately, I could never get past a certain part of the game because it always crashes.  It was never meant for running in the Windows environment and I just can't be bothered trying to get it to work in a pure DOS mode.  Too bad since the point at which it crashed tends to be when I am doing really well and starting to dominate alien encounters with minimal loss of human life.

I'm curious what other games people will suggest.

-PsiPhi


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Solanacean on December 23, 2002, 12:17:20 am
Snatcher. This is a cyberpunk adventure game on SEGA CD created by famous Hideo Kojima, a man whose name stands for Metal Gear Solid series. I consider it one of the best games I ever had a chance to play (maybe even the best). BTW, the game is considered abandonware now and can be downloaded legally from the-underdogs: http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Snatcher


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Azarule on December 23, 2002, 12:22:56 am
One of my older ABSOLUTE FAVORITES :  Ascendancy.

Subtitled 'Ascendancy : The Game of Galactic Conquest', you got a range of scope that some games today don't offer.  You start out on a single planet, and build that up.  Once you've built that planet up to have a competent industry sector (which you have to do without making it uninhabitable or neglecting your scientific community) and you have researched to the appropriate level, you can expand outwards to other planets in your solar system and eventually beyond.  There can be anywhere from twenty to what looks like hundreds of solar systems per game.  You have full control of the contents of your ships, of course, as you research new and exciting improvements.  At some point, you will encounter other alien races and must engage in diplomatic relations with them - They may be worshippers of a demon-god or followers of the Path of Peace & Light.  You can totally wipe them out of the stars, if they anger you and don't get you first ;-)

But one of the big things that made this interesting to me was that you can win in multiple ways - If you're a warmonger you can just kill everyone else in the galaxy, if you're expansionistic you can take over more than 2/3 of the systems, and if you want to talk a lot ( ::)), you can ally with everyone to win.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Kzzrn on December 23, 2002, 12:26:17 am
Doom and Wolfenstein 3D.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 23, 2002, 02:08:24 am
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Actually the first two Quest for Glory games used a text parser interface along with arrow key controls for movement.  There was a remake of the first one into a pure mouse-clickable interface (along with King's Quest1, Space Quest1, and Leisure Suit Larry1) although according to Sierra, these remakes proved to be highly unpopular (though I liked them since I don't enjoy all the typing and "guess the right word" involved in those games).


I haven't played the remakes of any of the other games, but I actually prefer the original typing QFG 1 to the remake. The remake just didn't have the same feel.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: PsiPhi on December 23, 2002, 11:12:55 am
I know Scott.  It seems that most people do.  A text parser allows for a wider range of possibilities which has its advantages and disadvantages over a pure GUI/mouse clickable interface.  I guess my biggest trouble with it is that I have never been a very good typist, which I admit is a very lame excuse.  I have played through all five Quest for Glory games, taking one character through it all at least twice and I've done this using the remake of QFG1 and then the original.  Although there are some fun extra things you can type into the parser version, I found the mouse-clickable version easier to play through, even once I knew all the secrets to finishing the game.  From what I understand, QFG2 is supposed to be the favorite of all among fans because of the depth of the story and the many different paths you can take.  I found it to be really hard to play and in many ways annoying.  I was shocked to find that people preferred it since it was the one I seemed to dread playing the most.  With time, I've come to enjoy the game, but I cannot forget the difficulty it always gave me.

-PsiPhi


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: stounedi on December 23, 2002, 05:15:26 pm
* Master of Orion
* Space Hulk
* Panzer General
* Dune 2 (mother of all rts)
* Wing Commander 1

... There are too many to mention ...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 23, 2002, 06:24:48 pm
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* Dune 2 (mother of all rts)


Dune 1 wasn't a half bad game either, even though it's not anything like Dune 2.

While we're on the subject, does any suggestions on how to get old games like this to work on Windows 2000? I'm dying to play X-Com again, but none of them will run, not even Apocalypse, which ran in Win95.


Title: DOS on Win2K
Post by: Uffo on December 23, 2002, 10:27:32 pm
This was discussed in other threads, but I'll post it here as well.  

DOSBox.  It rocks.
http://dosbox.zophar.net



Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: ssfsx17 on December 23, 2002, 10:46:44 pm
Emperor of the Fading Suns really wanted to be Dune, but it wasn't.

Some great classics for me that haven't been mentioned yet are Syndicate, Alone in the Dark, Warcraft, Excelsior Phase One: Lysandia, Star Goose, Battlechess, and Karateka.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Black Monk on December 24, 2002, 12:04:49 am
Battlechess?  Pffft.  Archon.  And Archon Ultra.  You can get Archon Ultra on the underdogs site already listed, I believe.  I think you know someone who was involved in that game... just perhaps... check the credits (for both).

There's a fun mod for Quake 3 that takes Archon into 3D.

http://www.planetquake.com/brazen/arq/

The coder kinda disappeared before finishing it but it is EXTREMELY playable.  Works fine for multiplayer, too.


Title: Re: DOS on Win2K
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2002, 01:58:52 am
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This was discussed in other threads, but I'll post it here as well.  

DOSBox.  It rocks.
http://dosbox.zophar.net



I seem to be retarded and can't figure out how to make DOSBox work.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: cosumel on December 24, 2002, 09:24:40 am
If I may toss a hat in the ring, I'd like to include Rise of the Triad in this list.

I would also like to thank everyone involved in this project for their efforts to bring this most excellent game back to those of us who have lost contact.  I have the SC collection, but I also have Windoze XP.  I have tried all the suggestions to play it, but it is no good, so I bow gratefully to Mr Ford and Mr. Rieche.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: TD on December 24, 2002, 10:08:33 am
Star Control 2 ;)
X-Com
Ascendancy
Dune 2
Civilisation
Colonisation
X-Wing
Eye of the Beholder 2


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Garthor on December 24, 2002, 11:27:59 am
Scott, DOSBox is simple to use.  Drag the program you want to use onto the DOSBox executable, and it will run.  If not, it will return you to it's directory (conveniently named C: every time).


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Evil_Sheep on December 24, 2002, 11:58:55 am
SCORCHED EARTH (http://www.classicgaming.com/scorch/): The Mother Of All Games :D

also:
-Descent
-Warcraft II
-Heroes of Might and Magic II
-Star control 1
-Wolfenstein 3D
-Command & Conquer
-Simcity
-Mechwarrior 2
-BOLO
-Zork: The Great Underground Empire


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: TD on December 24, 2002, 02:06:09 pm
No way. Tank Wars > Scorched Earth

http://www.flashback-aw.net/games.php?GameID=27


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Black Monk on December 24, 2002, 07:13:00 pm
No no, you seem mistaken.  You appear to have meant:

Scorched Earth > any other "artillery" game

There's a neat 3D port underway by someone who works at Cisco, I forget the URL offhand.  And there's something called Scorch2000, I think?  Network play?


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2002, 07:26:58 pm
Another great one that just came to mind

One Must Fall: 2097 - a really cool fighting game. The arenas can hurt ya, and you can upgrade your robot fighter and buy new ones.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2002, 08:06:12 pm
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Scott, DOSBox is simple to use.  Drag the program you want to use onto the DOSBox executable, and it will run.  If not, it will return you to it's directory (conveniently named C: every time).


I TOLD you I was retarded.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2002, 08:46:06 pm
Bah, I can't find my original X-Com CDs, just the re-release CDs... and these ones were "updated" to run in Windows 95/98, and thus won't work in DOSBox. Grrrrr. >:(


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Player_One on December 25, 2002, 01:12:52 am
Ah, scorched earth.  We used to play that as a drinking game in college.  Lost a round, do a shot...

It was eventually superceded by the Worms series.

Also really liked QFG1, back in the day.  When I had it, though, it was called Hero's Quest.

Also played Archon all the time when I was younger.  Another great TFB game.  Didn't much care for Archon Ultra, though.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Yura Semashko on December 25, 2002, 01:41:30 am
I think everybody who enjoy X-COM will love UFO2000
This is great multiplayer game.

look for it at http://sourceforge.net

list of GREAT games
-ADOM
-SC2
-QFG1-4
-WC2
-UFO1-2
-UFO2000
-Time Warp





Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Captain Smith on December 25, 2002, 04:30:46 am
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Ah, scorched earth.  We used to play that as a drinking game in college.  Lost a round, do a shot...


Great suggestions, brings back memories.  Would love to find a copy of One Must Fall 2097 (data corruption error lost my copy).  Was fun to send the opponent into that electrified fence...then the flame bot was always fun...

Speaking of Scorched Earth, what did you all do when someone caused armageddon (did that quite a lot when I played it - killed off everything on the screen at the timeincluding myself, but then again I played with it on the largest scales)?  Guess everyone takes a shot?

Speaking of that, any special tricks anyone had with Scorched Earth?  Always had fun doing off the wall things, like turning the rollers into bombs or shooting the opposite way, using the horizontal guidance.  Then there was always the hail mary shot with the death's head bomb...shoot it straight up, see what happens...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Bwahaha on December 25, 2002, 06:17:34 am
One Must Fall 2097:  Get it from http://www.the-underdogs.org


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Evil_Sheep on December 25, 2002, 09:36:46 am
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Speaking of that, any special tricks anyone had with Scorched Earth?

Yeah, if you used a hot napalm with a lazy boy guidance, and aimed right at the tank, often the shot would penetrate, through any shield, and then detonate, filling up the entire shield with lava and then killing them. So cheap. But failing that, just nuking everything with death's head was always fun, but it had an uncanny ability to only hit you.
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TD: No way. Tank Wars > Scorched Earth

No sir. :P


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: SLot0k on December 25, 2002, 11:13:35 am
Old games?

Hrm...

Space Vikings
Rescue Raiders
Dreadnoughts
Autoduel
Sun Dog
Master of Orion

Geh, I guess I'm really dating myself here.

Oh well, merry x-mas everyone! :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Mage on December 25, 2002, 01:28:23 pm
Alleycat
Pengo
Space Goose
the Magic Carpet games


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: CF-18 on December 26, 2002, 12:57:12 am
You can download Windows9x/2k/XP patched X-Com 1/2/3 here:

http://www.xcomufo.com/


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: norg on December 26, 2002, 08:52:33 pm
i was going stir crazy.  thank you for someone finally mentioning alley cat.

bard's tale 1-3
ultima 1-9
ultima underworld
system shock
privateer
wing commander 1-2 (3 and 4 are too new school)
wizardry
space quest
kings quest
quest for glory
thexder
manhunter
police quest
leisure suit larry

and that's all i can think of off the top of my head. i'm sure if i dug through my boxes of old floppies i could find more that i enjoyed.  yeah, i still have them.  i'm dating myself, i know ...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Azarule on December 26, 2002, 11:25:06 pm
I can't believe someone else has actually played Ascendancy :-P  The only time I've met other people who've played that game is when *I* gave it to them  ::)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Casey on December 27, 2002, 12:22:17 am
What about the original Worms?

What say we get older?  Who played Dragonhawk, Haunted House, Impossible Mission, Drelbs, Sundog, Dungeon Master, Chaos Strikes Back, and Joust?  Anyone but me?  ^_^

Atari ST rocks!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: norg on December 27, 2002, 08:54:09 pm
see, i was trying to keep it on the PC but it looks like we've hit the commodore 64, atari 2600, and other flavors.

tunnels of doom on the TI 99/4A
parsec on the TI 99/4A
summer games, winter games, *.games on C64
jumpman.  jumpman jr.
adventure.
legacy of the ancients
racing destruction set
forbidden forest
archon
archon ][

i still remember how disappointed i was that the atari versions of the games weren't as cool as the actual arcades, but that stuff was still fun.

i just picked up the DVD set of dragon's lair, dragon's lair 2, and space ace ... oh the memories... (:


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Ph@nToM on December 27, 2002, 11:29:54 pm
I would like to see the return of a new:

Ultima Underworld (the best Ultima series in FPS style)
Descent
Descent Freespace
Doom (ok the 3rd its coming out end of 2003 methinks)
MechWarrior
Armada
EF2000
StarCraft


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on December 29, 2002, 03:15:00 am
MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries is pretty new... and StarCraft: Ghost will be coming out next year... um, if you even count that as StarCraft.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Black Monk on December 29, 2002, 08:27:33 pm
Dungeon Master rocks!  I used to play that a bit with a friend who, oddly enough, was also named Casey.  Then he moved to PA and I was sad.  Then he moved back to VA and I was happy!  Then I changed schools from where we went and I was sad.

Last I heard he wanted to join the military or something?  I ran into him (not literally) while riding my bike something like 5 years ago.  Kinda funky.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: malfunkshun on December 30, 2002, 04:29:50 am
Here are my old school favorites:

Deadlock (PC)
Jumpman (C64)
Lemmings (Amiga)
Leisure Suit Larry 6 (PC)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: norg on December 31, 2002, 03:54:12 am
just for the record.

ya'll make me feel                       OLD.

*mutter* youngins ...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Black Monk on December 31, 2002, 10:32:30 pm
Oh, for you we recommend the following hot new titles:

Pong
Corewars
Spacewar

;D


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Ultima Fan on January 01, 2003, 10:41:16 pm
Ultima VII is in fact playable on todays systems, but you need two things.  There's a dll written by some french guy that simulates the memory management that U7 required, and it works great.  I found it a long time ago so not sure what Google will turn up.  The second thing you need is moslow, which sucks up CPU cyceles so that old games don't run 100 miles an hour.  Makes it choppy, but playable.

I suggest buying the Ultima collection pack which has all the Ultimas and moslow on it, plus all the maps, manuals, and walkthroughs.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Cannonfodder on January 02, 2003, 05:59:16 am
Or you could get Exult, which is an entirely new version of the Ultima VII and VIII engines which uses the original resources and works on modern machines without needing moslo or anything, check google for it.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Anglos on January 02, 2003, 10:08:37 am
No one said Zork ):


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: SunTzuX on January 02, 2003, 03:42:40 pm
Starcon 2 (obvious)
Civilization
Command H.Q.
Master of Orion
Sundog: Frozen Legacy
Ascendancy (Awesome MOO-like game)

Midimaze (Before there was multiplayer doom, and before there was single player Wolf, they said "Let their be multiplayer first person frags.. and behold, there was Midimaze)

Empire (multiplayer space empire game played on PLATO, not to be confused with Peter Langston's Empire, which is a different game)

Now I feel old :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Mad Pedro on January 02, 2003, 07:48:07 pm
Holy crap NORG,

I can't believe you busted out Parsec....LoL  I loved that TI. Do you remember such classics as Hunt the Wompus or Munchman (yes, it was a cheap Pac-Man knockoff), or ooh ooh...The Attack!!!  I cut my teeth on that bad boy.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on January 02, 2003, 07:56:05 pm
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Or you could get Exult, which is an entirely new version of the Ultima VII and VIII engines which uses the original resources and works on modern machines without needing moslo or anything, check google for it.


I found Exult a few months ago... I love it.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: NyarthMaul on January 02, 2003, 11:26:22 pm
Er... Elite? For Christ's sake, people, Elite?

Apart from that:

Rainbow Islands (arcade)
Spare Change (Apple ][)
Dragon Quest IV (Famicom)
Clocktower (Super Famicom)
Sweet Home (Famicom)
Lords of Midnight (Spectrum)

Nowadays the games that really eat my life are the Baldur's Gate and Sakura Wars series. Immersive as games used to be... sigh...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: bendu on January 03, 2003, 12:09:46 am
I enjoyed:

Xwing
Archon and Archon II
the Space Quest series
any of the Lucas Arts point and clicks (Full Throttle, Day of the Tentacle, etc)
Descent and Descent II
Doom
Rise of the Triad
Falcon 3.0
F15 Strike Fighter
Crusader series
Aces of The Pacific / Europe
The even more incredible machine
Mech Warrior II


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Darkpaw on January 03, 2003, 04:07:28 am
Ah, I had many favorites.

Eye of the Beholder 1 & 2
Tie Fighter, the dos version (I always liked it better than x-wing)
Test Drive 3
Jumpman (c64)
Tongue of the Fatman
Mechwarrior, and of course, Mechwarrior 2
Aces of the Pacific
Bards Tale and Ultima series
California Games (c64)
Summer Olympics (c64)

That's about all I can remember now.. I'm sure others will come to me later..


Title: Re: Other great old gamesFonk
Post by: Fonk on January 03, 2003, 04:19:20 am
Aside games like UFO and stuff..

Moonstone
totally


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Jumjalum on January 03, 2003, 05:14:16 am
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Dune 1 wasn't a half bad game either, even though it's not anything like Dune 2.

While we're on the subject, does any suggestions on how to get old games like this to work on Windows 2000? I'm dying to play X-Com again, but none of them will run, not even Apocalypse, which ran in Win95.


Go to www.xcomufo.com, they have a great site with patches for running on XP, not sure about Apocalypse though.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: SunTzuX on January 04, 2003, 03:50:55 am
Oh yeah, Aces of the Pacific was an awesome game as well. :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Simkin on January 05, 2003, 08:47:26 am
I can't believe that there are still people around that played Ascendancy....

I know that this might be misspeaking myself, but, What about Star Flight 1 ??

Seriously... if you read the manual, including the "history of arth" without laughing, you're probably reading the french side j/k


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: SunTzuX on January 06, 2003, 12:10:53 am
There was a pretty active Ascendancy community for quite some time.   Last I heard, several players had begun work on moding the game and fixing some problems.  There was even an enhanced playermade AI floating around for awhile (not the antagonizor AI released by Logic Factory, which wasn't bad either).

Unfortunatly, Logic Factory (the makers) went completely missing in action.  The main community was centered around their websites forum and a handful of websites.  Logic Factorys forums eventually closed after a few years of silence from the developers and as far as I can tell most of the fansites died shortly thereafter.

Logic Factory has recently redone their website, and are touting a sequel "in the works"  a massively multiplayer online Ascendancy.  Forums, hype and any new news other then a redone website is unfortunatly non existant for the time being.

At any rate, maybe they'll be able to pull through.   What was your favorite Ascendancy race btw?  Mine was definatly Shevar. :)

*Edit* I did some digging and did actually find a few remaining Ascendancy fan sites.. though it looks like they're on their last leg.  At any rate, probably worth browsing for old times sake.

http://www.ascendancy2.com/oldsite/ascend1/
http://www.geocities.com/greyknight3/jmp_asc.htm


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Death 999 on January 06, 2003, 02:14:51 am
AHA! Someone else said wizardry!  TILTOWAIT!!!!

Also, Adventure (the one where you're a square and you pick up objects by running into them and drop them by pressing the button)

for 128k mac,
Airborne! (the exclamation mark is part of the title)
Ground Zero

back onto the atari,
Enduro
Solarian << the first 3-d game I can remember, even if it was just faking it... it faked well.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Simkin on January 06, 2003, 06:02:34 am
Regarding Ascendancy, I usually played as the govorom, since I had a habit of colonizing every single planet with a xeno dig, whether the planet itself was worth it or not. So, it was kind of nice to have the planet change from a giant lifeless husk into a prosperous cornicopia.

I had been on the logic factory forums for a bit, but there was never any response from the company, and they've had some wierd down times, wherein there wasn't even a "page being updated" screen, so I think they might be down to minimal personnel/money. Did you ever try their other game (s) i.e. Tone Rebellion?


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Jimbo on January 06, 2003, 04:59:18 pm
Ahem...

MULE!

Also, regarding XP/2000, are you guys aware that there exists a Compatibility mode in these two operating systems?  All you have to do is right click on the file in question and click on the compatibility tab in the resulting dialog box.  In some cases I think you have to create a shortcut to the file and then right click on the shotcut in order to get the compatibility tab but I'm not entirely sure.  XP has this inherent capability but you have to upgrade Win2k to SP 2 or 3 and then run this command line:

regsvr32 %systemroot%\apppatch\slayerui.dll

This should add the compatibility mode.  It doesn't work for everything but it works for a lot of stuff, most importantly Incubation (If you like X-COM you'll probably like this) and Darklands (I'm shocked and amazed that I didn't (or at least think I didn't) see anyone mention the king of CRPGs).


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: ChonkE on January 13, 2003, 12:26:46 pm
All of the aforementioned games are great and most of them are true classics, but you neglect the greatest game of it's time: Wasteland.

Oh well.
Jagged Alliance 1/2 (altho 2 is fairly new, it is soooo good that it is worth a mention)
Anyone mention Lemmings?
Fave "old" console game tho....
Spy Hunter (And woe to those who couldnt get to the other vehicles![Although sometimes I would rip my hair out getting to them])
Breakout was good.
Whoever said Aces over the Pacific is a genius though. Much props.
And for those wayway back fans, Chuck Norris or Combat on the Atari.
Gotta mention Oregon Trail (Many gradeschool days in the computer lab were wasted *sighs*)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 02, 2003, 04:17:22 am
Loom
Secret of Monkey Island 1&2
Indiana Jones 3&4
Wing Commander 1&2
Maniac Mansion & Day of the Tentacle
Panzer General
Battle Isle 1&2
History Line
Red Baron
Civilization
Outlaws
Leisure Sweet Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards (Larry 1)
Birth of the Federation
Star Trek 25th Anniversary & Judgement Rites
Aces of the Deep


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 02, 2003, 04:20:52 am
Just reading this thread completely makes me want to have a working C64, 386, 486, PI and my computer with all the good old games and a lot of spare time to enjoy them all!

I remember M.U.L.E. on the C64!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Defender on March 02, 2003, 06:22:04 am
in no order what so ever
1] starflight 1 genesis version, this was truly an epic game.
2] wing commander 3 heart of the tiger, good story
3] the horde, i laugh every time i see kirk camreon
4] fallout 1&2, many hours wasted
5] star control 1&2, of course
6] super mario world, it was fun unlocking everything
7] final fantasy 4, my first and most favorite
8] f zero, good racer... which leads me to...
9] gran turismo 2&3
10] desert,jungle,urban,soviet,nuclear strike, good shooter
11] diablo 1&2, got boring after a while but fun now & again
12] air,ace combat 1-4, love them plane games
13] resident evil series, nothin like shootin zombies, again &
14] super conflict, good stragity war game
15] return fire, capture the flag in a good way
16] medal of honor series, again nothin like shootin nazis
17] command & conquer whatever, real time...waster
18] twisted metal series, kar kombat which leads me to...
19] mortal kombat series, one word...fatalities..FINISH HIM!
20] asteroids, dun dun dun, du du du, need i say more?
21] raiders of the lost ark, short but fun
22] chopper command, my first atari game
23] pong. oldie but goodie
24] blue max, my first commodore 64 game
25] h.e.r.o, another comm 64 game
26] bruce lee, yet another c 64
27] sonic the hedgehog, cause hes got attitude
28] no game just how old i am...sigh


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Mormont on March 02, 2003, 06:54:36 am
Oh no! More lemmings! and lemmings 2. Lemmings 1 is pretty bad, but oh no more lemmings is quite challenging and lemmings 2 was great because there was a massive variety of possible skills to give your lemmings.

Archon Ultra. It was made by TFB, and it's like chess + fighting, very cool.

Lode Runner: Mad Monks' revenge. Lots of fun, and a good puzzle game with plenty of nifty items and clever levels. It comes with a level editor too, and that's always a good bonus for any game.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 02, 2003, 07:37:35 am
Hmmm, I think I may be able to come up with a list of my favourite classics:

PC:
-Dune 1 & 2
-Ultima VII
-Star Control I & II
-X-Com

SNES:
-Super Mario Kart
-Final Fantasy VI
-Lufia
-Soul Blazer


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Falaris on March 02, 2003, 07:47:10 am
How the heck has no-one mentioned Tyrian yet?  Everything else reasonably popular has been put up (thank you, German, for finally giving the Monkey Island series), but Tyrian's almost a legend...
As for the Sega-CD crowd... who here remembers Popful Mail?  Dark Wizard?  Willy Beamish?
C'mon, SCD should have survived MUCH longer than it did on Popful Mail and the Lunar Duet alone.  


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Lukipela on March 02, 2003, 01:10:58 pm
I used to love Zelda 2 : The Quest of Link back on the old NES. Otherwise I'll go with the Dune games on PC (the first two), Monkey Island, and Space Quest! Day of the tentacle was good as well, and Beneath a Steel Sky. Action wise well... Duke Nukem always cracked me up, i loved that.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Censored on March 02, 2003, 07:44:20 pm
Oh, this thread reminds me of so many good games ;)
Should be organized though, we keep repeating the same games throughout the thread! so I'll repeat some of my favorites too! ;)

Loom was a wonderful game, all the Quest for Glorys (still have them, except 5) and Space Quests, Diablo and Starcraft aren't considered "old" enough for this category I guess :P Dune 1 AND 2, XCOM was abit annoying but nice, Syndicate.. haha that was a good one. It wouldn't be the same without my nights over nights of Doom and DN3D and Quake/Quake2..
And many more I have no time to think of right now.

Oh, there's some game from 2000 actually, "Soulbringer" - anyone heard of it? had some bugs in it and I suppose didn't make it too well, but the story was very good.




Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on March 02, 2003, 08:35:13 pm
The Lost Vikings!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: fro on March 02, 2003, 09:49:07 pm
Wow, it seems like this thread has kinds turned into people posting their oldest games like 'street cred'..

anyhoo

Autoduel
Alternate Reality (wish they ha finsihed this)
Privateer
Ishar (Atari ST)
Bioforge
Phantasie 1-3
Crash & Burn



Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 02, 2003, 10:02:52 pm
I consider games "old" or "classics" if they won't run on my computer any longer and I can only dream of the good times I had with them...

Some come back though - like SCII-UQM!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: DeQuosaek on March 02, 2003, 11:18:38 pm
In the RPG genre I loved the *Bard's Tale series. *Bard's Tale 1 was the best of the bunch, but the others were worth mention.

Also, someone mentioned Blue Max for the commodore 64.  You can't mention the C64 without mentioning *Jumpman.  An amazingly simple, yet fun and addictive game.  Also *Summer Games and *Winter Games.  Or how about *Temple of Apshai, or *Gateway to Apshai?  These were the simplest of rpgs.

But back to IBM based PC's:
I agree with the *X-com sentiment.  That was a great game, I didn't like the 2nd as much, and never got to play apocolypse.  For some reason I really liked *The Prince of Persia.  It was the first game with really fluid movements.  It just looked really cool.  *Out of this World was really neat too.  It had great graphics for the time and the gameplay was interesting.  Another great game was *Alone in the Dark.  It was pretty much the predecessor to *Resident Evil, another great game.  I loved the hand drawn backgrounds and the way the camera angles change while you're playing.
Going back a ways, *Zork 1 2 and 3 were a lot of fun even though they were completely text based.  Everyone's mentioned these, but the *King's Quest series was great.  

We need more original games now a days.  They made them great back in the day.

Also *Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters was one of my all time favorites.  ;D  I still love playing it.  What a superb storyline and innovative gameplay.  Many thanks to Fred and Paul for such a fantastic game.  It kept me enthralled for many hours. and I have pages of notes and maps etc. :)   Tons of fun.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 03, 2003, 08:17:16 am
What I miss most in the new graphics-overloaded surround-sounded games is the simple "Spielvergnuegen" (gaming-pleasure) that makes you go on for hours and weeks!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: tonyx on March 03, 2003, 09:08:00 am
I didn't read thruogh the whole thread to see if a solution was posted, but X-Com was also released as a Windows version (music/sounds work and no crashing). I have it but... uh... it's not exactly a legally obtained copy:)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: tonyx on March 03, 2003, 09:14:25 am
the super games of my younger days:

* lands of lore (cost me my math exam, but I have no regrets:)
* star control 2 (obviously!)
* dune (the most fantastic adventure game ever)
* dune 2 (I'm still primarily a RTS fan today and dune 2 started it all)
* flahsback
* betrayal at krondor (the best RPG game ever)
* privateer
* x-wing
* tie fighter

I see Star Control 2 is on underdogs. but is Star Control 1 available like that anywhere on the web? I did a search on underdogs and google but could not find it anywhere.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: tonyx on March 03, 2003, 09:18:01 am
oh yes, and I played through DOOM in my 386, full screen mind you (even turned off the status bar), the speed was something like 1-2 FPS and I didn't even mind.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: MattTheMan on March 03, 2003, 03:53:23 pm
Star Control 2 and Ultima Underworld 1/2

The two -well three ::)- greatest 'old' games ever made.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Cyamarin on March 04, 2003, 12:13:07 am
Ooh!  Those are a few I forgot.  I've played Tyrian all the way through God-knows-how-many times.  I was also a big fan of Ultima Underworld II--Never played the first, but I loved the second.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: BT on March 04, 2003, 01:01:13 am
Darksun: Shattered lands.
Simply the best CRPG ever made... i loved the story, the dialoge...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Draco on March 04, 2003, 07:46:09 am
Ahh... to play Darksun again... that would be nice, but i lost my cd.

Civilization was easily the BEST game ever made, it came on my comp some 11 years ago, i play it to this day, I tried to find a newer copy but all i found was Civnet and without music it just wasnt the same (or was there ever music?)
Colonization was another great game, not the same power as civ tho.
I used to spend hours on end playing Commander Keen, they were addictive to say the least.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Dar on March 05, 2003, 03:47:20 am
This is great, you people made me remember all those classics...

Quest for Glory remake, I liked it, as said before, because you didnt need to know the "magic" word to get things done.  Fun at the time...

Star Flight, Star Control 1 + 2, classics
Sucks that both Master of Orion3 and Starcon3 had to be taken over by a new developer, and botched (sigh)

Archon (c64), simple, with great replay value

Bruce Lee (C64) im COMPLETELY surprised someone else had this game...i thought it was some weirdass bootleg game
I dont even know what the monsters were supposed to be

Scorched Earth -   a few of those simple shareware games never cease to amaze me

Warcraft - no comment needed, obviously 2 was much improved, but the original was great for its time

Rise of the Triad -  I dunno if I'd consider this one of the best games, but it sure was fun watching a guy begging for his life on hands and knees, then blasting him

Joust and Impossible Mission - Two more great c64 classics, how funny was it listening to your guy fall in a pit in Impossible Mission??   :)

Summer and Winter games - glad someone mentioned these, forgot all about them somehow

I saw someone mention Soulblazer, I thought that was one of the WORST RPG's ive ever played...

hmmmm......gotta sit down and think of some of my own fav's, sorry to leech off the rest of you, but those are some damn good games :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 05, 2003, 04:04:25 am
If I remember correctly, Archon & Archon Ultra (C64) were like BattleChess only way cooler.

Wasn't the game BruceLee (C64) the one where you had to knock down those black things that hung from the ceiling?

Just reading this thread makes me remember all those good ol' times we had back in the days!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 05, 2003, 05:46:40 am
Hey, Soul Blazer was a great game!  Sure, the story left something to be desired, but it was a classic!  It was so much fun, a lot better than the Zelda game out for the SNES.  I mean, it was the perfect action RPG!  I loved freeing the villagers and dogs and flowers and stuff everytime I killed a bad guy.  I felt like I was really accomplishing something...  I loved the game!  So addictive and fun to play!

Someone mentioned the Lost Vikings...  you'll never believe it, but Blizzard is re-releasing this classic for the Game Boy Advance!  I'm gonna snatch it up right when it comes out!

Oh, I forgot Commander Keen on my list!  I loved those games!  That pogo stick kept me playing...  those old adventure games were so good, man.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on March 05, 2003, 07:29:59 am
Soulblazer was fun and all, but... better than Zelda? Are you MAD?


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: guesst on March 05, 2003, 10:56:56 am
I've only seen X-wing mentioned twice. This game was awesome! A friend at work mentioned it yesterday and I just went apeshit. I've forgotten how much I enjoyed that game. I beat it with a mouse. The graphics were,  by today's standards, canned crap, but man I loved it.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: nightshadow on March 05, 2003, 12:32:41 pm
This is one hell of a thread...

Here's my 2 cents :

- The Secret of Monkey Island Series
- Little Big Adventure 1 and 2
- Star Control 2
- Reunion
- Wing Commander Series
- International Karate +
- Doom
- Lemmings
- Lands of Lore

Well... I could go on and on and on, because in those days, great games where released every month (unlike today).

Cheers,


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Kizor, again on March 05, 2003, 01:29:02 pm
System Shock.

Any questions? no? Good.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on March 05, 2003, 07:13:28 pm
A friend of mine has emotional problems after every time he plays System Shock 2.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: adgo on March 05, 2003, 07:29:33 pm
System Shock 1 is imho one of the best games ever made.
And far better thean the sequel. There has been a cd version with SVGA support as "talkie" edition.

Oh, and Reunion is also cool. Has some kind of old-school strategy game flair :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Death 999 on March 05, 2003, 08:05:30 pm
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Soulblazer was fun and all, but... better than Zelda? Are you MAD?


Agreed. The game was pathetic in that it was way too easy to retreat. Of course, Zelda 3 had this problem once you got the mirror ... ::cough cough::, but really, pretty much the only thing that could go wrong was that you'd lose your crystal collection. Infinite free healing can ruin a game.

Aside from that - playing with challenges like "Never retreat except when you've exhausted the possibilities" makes the game a little more fun, but it's a lot of effort. Unlike, say, in most games (like, say, SC2), where you can actually get blown up and the game ends.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Smoo on March 07, 2003, 11:14:41 pm
I remember a game I used to play when I was a wee lad on my Dad's Tandy1000: Burgertime!

Oh and Deathtrack and Stunts on my 386 were cool as well  ;)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 08, 2003, 08:53:41 am
I dunno about you, but I like winning alot more than I like losing.  I especially liked winning when I was a whiny 6 year-old.  There's no way I'll let you get away with dissing Soul Blazer, so I'll just assume you've never enjoyed a real action RPG before.  Think Pocky & Rocky on crack or, later released, the almighty Secret of Mana.  Zelda 3 came after Soul Blazer, so you can't compare 'em.  Plus, you don't get to talk to mushrooms in Link for SNES, so obviously we can deduce the better game.

Other games I've remembered?

-Tetris
-Metal Gear
-Contra
-Castlevania
-Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts
-Chrono Trigger
-Secret of Mana


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Scott on March 08, 2003, 09:10:23 pm
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Zelda 3 came after Soul Blazer, so you can't compare 'em.


...why not?


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Death 999 on March 08, 2003, 11:00:22 pm
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I dunno about you, but I like winning alot more than I like losing.  I especially liked winning when I was a whiny 6 year-old.


The savor of victories which come too easily fades.

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There's no way I'll let you get away with dissing Soul Blazer, so I'll just assume you've never enjoyed a real action RPG before.


That is a rather radical assumption. Zelda 1, 2, 3, Crystalis, Rygar... I enjoy all of them. I also enjoy Soul Blazer. But it does have serious issues. Mainly, the enemy movements are way too discrete - in way too many situations, a little analysis shows you where you can stand so that you will never ever be hit - and still be able to do damage. The bosses were good, the concepts were good, the model towns were amazing... It IS a good game. But a challenge? Only if you artificially make it one (or only when you get to the bosses).

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Zelda 3 came after Soul Blazer, so you can't compare 'em.


You mean, "so you should keep that in mind when comparing them." I have. Zelda is an improvement upon Soul Blazer in many regards. It left out some really nifty things like the revolving magic ball. I'd like to see that in another game.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Sudo_Nym on March 09, 2003, 04:20:47 am
Has anybody ever heard of a game called "Imperial Conquest"?  I played it in one of those cd's with different kinds of game demos on them.  It was like Civilization, except all the cities and countries were already placed.  I loved that game till it started crashing everytime I started it up.

I've tried downloading it lots of times, but the connection is always down or something.  If anybody knows where I could find it, I would greatly appreciate it.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 09, 2003, 08:18:52 am
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...why not?

Why can you not compare Soul Blazer accurately to Zelda 3?  Because two years is a big difference.  Soul Blazer had just come out when the SNES was released, and a lot of the things the game included and pioneered were used for Zelda 3.  Anyways, enough of that game...

I wanna talk about X-Com!  How many other people loved this game?  I remember how difficult it was compared to other games of the time.  It was actually a lot like Star Control 2 in my mind, because it wasn't the sort of game where victory was a given, neither was it assured in any way.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Sudo_Nym on March 09, 2003, 10:36:27 am
Disregard that last post.  Posting on this thread had convinced me to rub salt on old wounds.  But something was different about this particular search.  That something is the fact that Google kicks my old search engine's backside.  I'm gonna use it as the god of the next phoney religion I start up.  

ANYWAY,  after running into a couple of broken links, I finally find the identical sequal.  With tears in my eyes, I downloaded it and spent about...6 hours playing it.  I have only now freed myself from the grip of the hypnotic quest for Mediteranean domination.   ;D ;D


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: miki_ffff on March 12, 2003, 01:24:13 am
i havent readed all  the replys  to the topic  ;) so i am sorry if i write smothing again
but actually i have two working ufo apocalypse cds both work in xp (one in english and one in russain)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on March 24, 2003, 12:46:10 am
One classic game that i would like to bring up...
How about Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

has anyone played it yet.
very pleasant game indeed.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 24, 2003, 02:47:24 am
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One classic game that i would like to bring up...
How about Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball.

has anyone played it yet.
very pleasant game indeed.

Hehe, note the title of the topic: "Other great old games".  Although I'm sure that testosterone-satisfying game is great, it certainly isn't old as it was released not long ago. ;)  Maybe in time the game will become a classic; an antique or relic of time, if you will.


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on March 24, 2003, 04:14:41 am
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 Although I'm sure that testosterone-satisfying game is greatquote]

You are not alone brother.!! :)


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on March 24, 2003, 04:15:28 am

AHHHHHHHH the quote thing will not work


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Omni-Sama on March 24, 2003, 05:47:28 am
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AHHHHHHHH the quote thing will not work

Works for me.  Looks like the Modify button isn't working for you either, as you have made two posts here when just a simple edit to your first would prevent congestion.

Just press the "Quote" button on the post you want to quote...  it's simple and fun to do.   ;D


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Nic. on March 24, 2003, 05:57:28 am
The "Delete" button is also quite handy, especially if you're prone to post w/o thinking first (like me) and later come to your senses


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 24, 2003, 06:51:48 am
Honesty is shown by admitting mistakes -
Greatness is shown by correcting them -
Wisdom is shown by not committing them again -
Justice is satisfied when having paid for them







Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: Lukipela on March 24, 2003, 07:04:16 pm
Oooh, sounds like a good game GM ;) Where can I find it? And did the whole title fit on the box?

Did anyone ever play "The Giana Sisters"? that was kinda fun, liek a feminist Mario Bros or something...


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 24, 2003, 08:41:32 pm
Didn't they even have a second part of that game?
I have an emulator for all the C64 goodies and the can play most of the games on my PC without any problems.

I liked Ghostbusters a lot, but my favorite would be "1942" - I still know where the planes appear after all those years!


Title: Re: Other great old games
Post by: tilk on March 24, 2003, 09:38:21 pm
System Shock!
Also Reunion, Ascendancy, Alien Legacy...