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(complete the sentence).

 ;D

Sometimes I amaze even myself. Though not much recently. I
think toasting a Ur-Quan ship with a Supox. Not that it's
overly hard, just tedious.

Took one chenjesu through most of the SC1 fleet (both sides), only stopped by a Mmrnmhrm (the irony!).

Most of the damage I got before that was from the Umgah.

Once, I took out three Ur-Quan Dreadnoughts, two Kohr-Ah Marauders, and a Mycon Podship with an Earthling Cruiser -- I was on a crazy roll.

Another time, I took out a Kohr-Ah Marauder with just a Zoq-Fot-Pik Stinger.

Those were my two best killings that I can recall.

- Bob

Killing a Skiff with a PODSHIP (on Awesome). I went like "OMG A SKIFF" or something along those lines, so I pressed fire and hoped.
That thing died.

Soon afterwards I got into an another Arilou vs. Mycon fight. It happened again.

But generally, I congratulate myself everytime I kill a Skiff with some non-laser-equipped ship (it's easy with some ships, but it's tedious).

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Other good kills were taking down a Terminator with a Stinger, and almost taking down an X-Form with a Drone (stupid planet! >:()

Once (and only once) I killed an Avatar with a Guardian in comet mode. It got stuck in one of the Avatars wings, and destroyed it in just a few seconds.

Once I was fighting a Slylandro probe, and suddenly it initiated communications and asked "Why are you doing this? What you are doing is wrong!"
Ok, maybe not.

Might as well answer my own question  ;D

The last time was taking out all the 300 pt Armada except for the Orz and the Druuge with a single Syreen ship.  :o

Definitely one of many performances I wish I had videotaped for posterity :D

You can reliably defeat an Avatar with a Guardian simply by laying a cloud of bubbles for the Avatar to blunder into, saving some energy for Comet mode.  Fly away from the Avatar at all times, drop the cloud (leaving maybe 1/3 of your energy), and fly around and behind the Avatar and continue flying to counteract the (inevitable) tractor beam.

got challenged by my 12yo nephew to a melee showdown. His favourite is the avatar, and he's pretty damn good with it.

I like the nemesis. Someone is very annoyed with me now...

Speaking of this one, I thought I'd do a little myth-busting on this one.  As far as being able to capture it, I went trying to at least duplicate it.  In fact, I exceeded it on my first try, and actually have it to show the world.

One syreen ship destroying the entire 300-pt armada set to the awesome cyborg.

12mins 10 seconds, 11034KB.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=88D1B24B12370321 (http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=88D1B24B12370321)

 ;D ;D

Order of battle: 1) The Yehat. 2) Ur-Quan. 3) Mycon. 4) Pkunk (2 res). 5) Spathi. 6) Melnorme. 7) Chmmr. 8) Androsynth. 9) Kohr-Ah. 10) Earthling. 11) Druuge. 12) Supox. 13) Orz. 14) ChenJesu. (7:45-12:09, by far the longest fight)

I recently destroyed a Pkunk with a Druuge. Then I tried going against the Arilou and got killed very easily. Is winning that possible?

Yes, it relies on the incompetence of the enemy though. A human opponent may be defeatable due to inferior reflexes and getting scared of that fat gun.

I surprised my self in melee when I died horribly my never-played-before friends Orz Nemesis's against my Utwig Juggers... that's gotta be the only ship the Juggers aren't good at.

Juggers get owned by Chenjesu if the Chenjesu has either grav whip or a few DOGI's out.

VUX (limpets bypass the shield)

Juggers can also be beaten by sending off single shots of very low damage weapons.

Good for defeating them:
Mmrnmhrm
Supox
Thraddash (this will take a while)

It is hard to send off a single shot of the Spathi main gun, but if you can, that works too.

When I mowed down my friend's 200-somthing point fleet with a handful of Pkunk ships. Of course, I got really lucky and respawned a bunch of times, but still!

YouSendIt shows this as file not found... can someone who has this upload it somewhere like putfile.com (http://www.putfile.com)?

YouSendIt deletes a file either after 7 days from when it was uploaded or 25 times downloaded, which ever comes first.  I can upload it again.

Edit: Here it is.

http://download.yousendit.com/85C3D20069CE8A83 (http://download.yousendit.com/85C3D20069CE8A83)

worked my way through a 250pt armada with a furies that just didn't want to stay dead at all. luck.

Actually as long as you got the skills and (sometimes) luck, any ship is usually defeatable by another.  Let's just say I got inspired...

http://download.yousendit.com/4C1D940C4262F9AE (http://download.yousendit.com/4C1D940C4262F9AE)

File is UTWIG Videos.zip, it's 14010KB. (remember 7 days, 25 downloads)
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This is to demonstrate, and basically expose the Utwig ship and its deficiencies.

The only ones aren't present are the Druuge, Earthling, Ilwrath, and Umgah.

Some are harder than others of course and depend on skill and sometimes a lot of luck to win.  Or you could chalk up some of them to the Awesome Cyborg AI and its deficiencies, but anyway, I would think these videos expose a lot of the Utwig and its weaknesses.

  833,716 androsynth_guardian_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  834,220 arilou_skiff_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  195,436 chenjesu_broodhome_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,329,988 chmmr_avatar_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  939,448 kohrah_marauder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  297,466 melnorme_trader_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  793,420 mmrnmhrm_xform_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  175,852 mycon_podship_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  235,888 orz_nemesis_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,938,348 pkunk_fury_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,665,766 shofixti_scout_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,010,172 slylandro_probe_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  879,418 spathi_eluder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  474,872 supox_blade_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
1,289,096 syreen_penetrator_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  538,430 thraddash_torch_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  262,104 urquan_dreadnought_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  687,110 utwig_jugger_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  938,646 vux_intruder_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  188,986 yehat_terminator_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi
  239,908 zoqfotpik_stinger_defeats_utwig_jugger.avi

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Yep and an Utwig is pretty much dogfood against an Orz that sends his marines properly.

My favourite ship for fighting the Utwig is the Spathi Eluder. Stay just out of
range of the Utwig's gun and drop one BUTT at a time. He runs out of
shield energy after a bunchof near misses.

I found that the Androsynth's bubbles are good at depleting the Jugger's Shield.

My best "How did I do that?" moment is when I took down a Ur-Quan Dreadnaught with a Pkunk... and 2 resurrects.

Never succeeded w/ this against a human opponent, but defeating a Guardian with a Nemesis is pretty tough. Even against the comp, you're going to get ripped to pieces most of the time.

If you know where the planet is, you can whip faster than they can blaze. If you fear their ability to get in front of you, then keep orbiting. When they come close, shoot them and whip away, along a cardinal direction so you get back to the planet quickly. If they're building up their battery, launch one marine to force them to deplete.

To Captain Smith (aka Utwigslayer) -

Nice job with the Chmrr! :o  I did not think that was possible.

Why did the Utwig not use its shield vs the Kohr-ah and Yehat?  The Kohr-ah in particular I have always thought of as Utwig food.

(And the Mycon battle was a bad case of AI stupidity - very nicely exploited though)

I call it an AI quirk, really.  It just takes into account that the Utwig always shields when you're close to it, and the bad propulsion.


it depends, sometimes they will.  Generally if you look at what I was doing, it's trying to set up a measure of unpredictability by using the propulsion of the Utwig to advantage.  The AI's weakness is that it won't shield on shots sent to the very edges of the ship, and a human weakness would be to shield too much (especially with what I did with the KohrAh ship, but any ship you can be unpredictable with).


Agreed though it's possible to do that to a human too that might shield too much out of fear of getting hit.