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Title: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 13, 2006, 03:54:17 am
Since I didn't see any discussions about it here, bottom point, what do you think of Biowares latest project, Mass Effect?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Shiver on November 13, 2006, 07:06:02 am
I've heard nothing of this. Link it here if you want this topic to go anywhere.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 13, 2006, 10:43:58 am
Don't listen to Shiver, he's lying. This doesn't need any links. The topic is perfect just the way it is. I sincerely think this project is looking exciting, and hope it will succeed!


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on November 13, 2006, 03:19:35 pm
Just a little question Luki:
This freshly exhibited sarcasm of yours, it's a new thing, or was it always there buried deep inside, waiting for the frustration to reach unbarable levels?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: AngusThermopyle on November 13, 2006, 03:32:17 pm
Looks interesting...why is it XBOX 360 only though?  ???


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 13, 2006, 04:59:16 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect


Why is it going on Xbox 360 only?  Bioware says they have a good relationship with Microsoft, but my guess is they just got payed off by Microsoft, since it's known to pay off third party developers before.  Still, the Xbox 360 looks like a big improvement over the first one, so I will probably be getting one.


The main reason I want to play it is 'cause in many ways it seems like a spiritual successor to Star Control, even if the developers claim to have never played Star control 2...


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: AngusThermopyle on November 13, 2006, 05:28:16 pm
Unfortunately, that means I'll prob never play this. Microsoft's strong-arm tactics pretty much ensure that a lot of good games will never get played by myself.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 13, 2006, 05:42:13 pm
Not exactly true. Even though Mass Effect is an Xbox 360 exclusive title now, it probably won't stay like that forever. Look at KOTOR and Jade Empire, both of those were xbox 1 exclusives, and now, they are both on the pc. (Well, Jade isn't on there YET, but coming out on the PC) So don't count Mass Effect out of the PC crowd, it will just be a good wile after the release until it comes out on the PC.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 13, 2006, 06:44:47 pm
Just a little question Luki:
This freshly exhibited sarcasm of yours, it's a new thing, or was it always there buried deep inside, waiting for the frustration to reach unbarable levels?

The second. I spend my time looking for work and writing applications. This is just a tad frustrating. ;)


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on November 13, 2006, 06:56:12 pm
The second. I spend my time looking for work and writing applications. This is just a tad frustrating. ;)

Oh, I feel for you.
A friend of mine went through the same recently. From what I remember he sent almost a hundred aplications, got somewhere around three replies, one was positive.
Thankfully one was enough.

If you wish I can post something stupid every once in a while so you'll have an excuse to vent your frustration ;)

Anyways, hang in there, you'll find a job eventually.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 13, 2006, 07:16:53 pm
Don't listen to Shiver, he's lying. This doesn't need any links. The topic is perfect just the way it is. I sincerely think this project is looking exciting, and hope it will succeed!

Was this just sarcasm? I couldn't tell.  ???


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 13, 2006, 07:20:59 pm
Since I didn't see any discussions about it here, bottom point, what do you think of Biowares latest project, Mass Effect?

I am very very excited for Mass Effect. The whole exploring uncharted regions of space reminds me a lot of SC2.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 13, 2006, 07:30:09 pm
Quote from: Ivan

Oh, I feel for you.
A friend of mine went through the same recently. From what I remember he sent almost a hundred aplications, got somewhere around three replies, one was positive.
Thankfully one was enough.

If you wish I can post something stupid every once in a while so you'll have an excuse to vent your frustration Wink

Anyways, hang in there, you'll find a job eventually.

Here's to hoping. Still, I suppose that's what you get for finishing school.

Don't listen to Shiver, he's lying. This doesn't need any links. The topic is perfect just the way it is. I sincerely think this project is looking exciting, and hope it will succeed!

Was this just sarcasm? I couldn't tell.  ???

Sarcasm is very badly conveyed in a text-only medium, so don't feel bad about it. Or are you being sarcastic? ;)


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 13, 2006, 07:48:48 pm
Quote from: Lukipela
Sarcasm is very badly conveyed in a text-only medium, so don't feel bad about it. Or are you being sarcastic? ;)

Nah, I wasn't being sarcastic...now, ARE YOU BEING sarcastic there...oh the never ending paradox! Haha. But yeah, Lore should have added more info to the thread, but he linked to the wiki, so that's enough info now to get the basic jist of mass effect.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 13, 2006, 11:05:44 pm
Since I didn't see any discussions about it here, bottom point, what do you think of Biowares latest project, Mass Effect?

I am very very excited for Mass Effect. The whole exploring uncharted regions of space reminds me a lot of SC2.

It is this sentence from Wikipedia which reminds me of a "Star Control".
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The story revolves around an ancient alien prophecy stating that, every fifty thousand years, machines come to the galaxy to harvest all organic life, and the time of their return is approaching.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Draxas on November 13, 2006, 11:48:31 pm
Wow. There's no better way to ensure that your game is a failure than to imply that one of your main sources of inspiration was Star Control 3. ::)


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Shiver on November 14, 2006, 12:43:01 am
Awesome, I'll pay big bucks for any rip off of Star Control!

Wait. They're using the plot of Star Control 3: Cat Turd Editon? Uh, yeah. I think I'll wait another few years until Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out before I buy a NextBox.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 14, 2006, 01:54:27 am
That plot point is a ripoff of SC3?  I thought the whole eternal ones was ripping off Galactus, that marvel turd comic villian.  And they never even played star control 1, 2 or 3, nor is it the same type of game beyond the whole exploring space.  It's more of a evolution of KOTOR.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 03:04:18 am
That plot point is a ripoff of SC3?  I thought the whole eternal ones was ripping off Galactus, that marvel turd comic villian.  And they never even played star control 1, 2 or 3, nor is it the same type of game beyond the whole exploring space.  It's more of a evolution of KOTOR.

How do you know what they played?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 14, 2006, 03:25:48 am
Because they said it on their main forum:

http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewforum.html?forum=104


Of course, you can say they are just lying, which is taint amount to a stupid conspiracy theory, by which point I will have lost my interest....


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 03:51:49 am
How about a direct link to the thread?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 14, 2006, 04:51:20 am
http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=454974&forum=104


Chris Priestly Community Coordinator


Joined: 17 Oct 2001
From: An all new Evil office.    Posted: Monday, 17 October 2005 01:01AM

    Quote: Posted 10/16/05 20:49:56 (GMT) by Adria Teksuni

    This probably belongs best in the Off Topic Forum...


Why? It's definately ON topic.

Good suggestion. I've never tried Star Control 2, but it sounds like another that I'll have to try to look for. Thanks.




Bob McCabe
Troublemaker


Joined: 17 Oct 2001
From: South Central... Edmonton    Posted: Friday, 21 October 2005 10:33PM
I downloaded it and have been playing at it here and there between bouts of Battlefield 2, watching over people's shoulders to see Black & White 2 and F.E.A.R., and playing the demo for Indigo Prophecy over-and-over. Now I have to track down Advent Rising and see what that's all about.



The only one who seems to have played it downloaded it in 2005, long after Mass Effect was in development (It's been in development since 2001)




Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 05:09:13 am
The only one who seems to have played it downloaded it in 2005, long after Mass Effect was in development (It's been in development since 2001)

No, the only one of the two who have commented on it who has played it.
Anything on the other designers? (And I don't expect that Chris Priestly, being a "Community Coordinator", has had much influence on the design, though I might be wrong).


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 14, 2006, 06:09:15 am
This is going off topic and since no one here seems to cares about Mass Effect, and since no one seems to be talking about Mass Effect itself and just talking about how they think it's a rip off, I'm locking this thread down.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 03:53:53 pm
That's not how we do things around here. If a thread goes off-topic and noone is trying to talk about the original topic, we let it go off-topic.
But you asked what people think about this game. If people think it's a rip-off, that's very much on topic. Although I don't think people are saying that. Except for Shiver, who seems to say that an SC2 rip-off is good.

Anyhow, thanks for letting us know that non-moderators had the power to lock their own thread.
Thread unlocked.

Now, considering that you and swbf are the same person, I'll give you one chance to convince me you're not a shill, which would mean an automatic ban for life.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 04:56:12 pm
We are not the same person, we simply use the same computer. Times like this remind me of the necessity of proxies...


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 05:13:58 pm
Except for Shiver, who seems to say that an SC2 rip-off is good.

Um, then he says "Oh, it's ripping off star control 3???"

By the way, the game's influences don't seem to be star control at all, they cite examples like "Blade Runner, and Aliens." Now, we can all say they are ripping off the eternal ones, but even if they were, that doesn't necessarily make it bad. Oh well. i'm still excited about this game regardless.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 05:55:46 pm
Star Control 2 is not Star Control 3.

I'll accept your "different people using a single computer" for now. But I will keep an eye on you (two?).
I find it very suspicious when someone who isn't a regular here suddenly starts a thread asking about another game, with the only other person who's enthousiastic about the game being another non-regular from another account from the same IP address, and who as soon as there are some comments which he/she perceives as negative about the game proceeds with trying to lock the thread.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 06:00:07 pm
Anyhow, thanks for letting us know that non-moderators had the power to lock their own thread.
Thread unlocked.

I'm so going to start locking my own threads. In fact, I'm going to head over to my old threads right away and start locking them.

Erm, On-Topic, what do you want us to discuss then? It's a game, looks interesting, the story bears a passing resemblance to SC3. If you don't want a Star Control themed board to look at the similarities with Star Control, what do you want? Just go "looks good, carry on"? If you want discussion, you might want to actually bring up something else than "hay guyz new game <link>. What do you like about it? What potential problems do you foresee? Why do you feel it is different, and why do you need our opinions? And so on and so forth.

Other than that, looks good, carry on.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 06:03:37 pm
Star Control 2 is not Star Control 3.

Maybe you should read the whole post from him.....

"Awesome, I'll pay big bucks for any rip off of Star Control!

Wait. They're using the plot of Star Control 3: Cat Turd Editon? Uh, yeah. I think I'll wait another few years until Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out before I buy a NextBox."


I'll accept your "different people using a single computer" for now. But I will keep an eye on you (two?).
I find it very suspicious when someone who isn't a regular here suddenly starts a thread asking about another game, with the only other person who's enthousiastic about the game being another non-regular from another account from the same IP address, and who as soon as there are some comments which he/she perceives as negative about the game proceeds with trying to lock the thread.

Yeah, but the thing is I was already posting here before he made that Mass Effect thread. Granted, i'm a non-regular, but the time I posted the questions was pretty close to the creation of this thread. Plus, if I wanted to make multiple accounts, i'd use a proxy. 

I didn't say to lock the thread anyway, that is Lore's idea. But yes, the similarities should be pointed out between the game, since he did post it at a star control forum.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 07:01:44 pm
Star Control 2 is not Star Control 3.

Maybe you should read the whole post from him.....

"Awesome, I'll pay big bucks for any rip off of Star Control!

Wait. They're using the plot of Star Control 3: Cat Turd Editon? Uh, yeah. I think I'll wait another few years until Ninja Gaiden 2 comes out before I buy a NextBox."
Doesn't that read to you that he says that a Star Control rip-off is good, as long as it isn't SC3? And weren't you claiming that this game feels like a spiritual successor to SC2 (before anyone pointed out the similarity of the story to SC2)?

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I'll accept your "different people using a single computer" for now. But I will keep an eye on you (two?).
I find it very suspicious when someone who isn't a regular here suddenly starts a thread asking about another game, with the only other person who's enthousiastic about the game being another non-regular from another account from the same IP address, and who as soon as there are some comments which he/she perceives as negative about the game proceeds with trying to lock the thread.

Yeah, but the thing is I was already posting here before he made that Mass Effect thread. Granted, i'm a non-regular, but the time I posted the questions was pretty close to the creation of this thread. Plus, if I wanted to make multiple accounts, i'd use a proxy. 

There are companies that pay people to get involved with forum communitities just so they can insert astroturfing remarks when the time comes. See here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/show/21589) (and a followup here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/02/01)) for example.
A few 2 line postings made before bringing up Mass Effect aren't really that convincing.

As for why a shill would not be using a proxy, it would have to be an anonymising proxy, and most of them are unintentionally run by the owner of the computer, which would bring with it all sorts of legal issues. And ofcourse the shill may not even know how to use a proxy.
Then again, posting from the same PC twice to pretend you're two people is indeed a pretty stupid thing for a shill to do. But "being smart" would not have to be on the job description of a shill (unlike "lack of morals").

In my experience, when people start off-topic postings, they do that only if they feel part of the community, or if they have something to advertise. Now it is possible that you're a long-time lurker and already feel like you're part of the community, even though you haven't engaged in any discussion and just asked a few help-desk questions (which isn't a bad thing in itself). But more often than not, such a person just has something to advertise. At the very least, it is a red flag.

I'm not saying that you (two) definitely are part of some astroturfing campaign -- you wouldn't have an account here anymore if I was convinced. But I am not convinved you aren't one either.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 07:24:12 pm
Well, apparently Lore registered on the SCDB only to make a post about this. Does that make his shilliness more likely, or less? I say, this is terribly exciting isn't it. I'd never even heard about this phenomenon before, at least not to such an advanced extent.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 07:25:04 pm
Quote from: meep-eep
Doesn't that read to you that he says that a Star Control rip-off is good, as long as it isn't SC3? And weren't you claiming that this game feels like a spiritual successor to SC2 (before anyone pointed out the similarity of the story to SC2)?

Nope, that was LORE saying it's a spiritual sequel!

Quote from: meep-eep
There are companies that pay people to get involved with forum communitities just so they can insert astroturfing remarks when the time comes. See here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/news/show/21589) (and a followup here (http://www.penny-arcade.com/2006/02/01)) for example.
A few 2 line postings made before bringing up Mass Effect aren't really that convincing.

As for why a shill would not be using a proxy, it would have to be an anonymising proxy, and most of them are unintentionally run by the owner of the computer, which would bring with it all sorts of legal issues. And ofcourse the shill may not even know how to use a proxy.
Then again, posting from the same PC twice to pretend you're two people is indeed a pretty stupid thing for a shill to do. But "being smart" would not have to be on the job description of a shill (unlike "lack of morals").

In my experience, when people start off-topic postings, they do that only if they feel part of the community, or if they have something to advertise. Now it is possible that you're a long-time lurker and already feel like you're part of the community, even though you haven't engaged in any discussion and just asked a few help-desk questions (which isn't a bad thing in itself). But more often than not, such a person just has something to advertise. At the very least, it is a red flag.

I'm not saying that you (two) definitely are part of some astroturfing campaign -- you wouldn't have an account here anymore if I was convinced. But I am not convinved you aren't one either.

Using an anonymous proxy is easy. Hell, I could just use Torpark to disguise my IP. But as to your whole "hired to spread the word of X product." Bioware doesn't need that kind of advertising. It's a big name in the gaming industry, and the game won best RPG at last year's E3. Trust me, Bioware doesn't need such shills, and they sure as hell wouldn't hire me to do such a thing anyway.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 07:26:24 pm
Well, apparently Lore registered on the SCDB only to make a post about this. Does that make his shilliness more likely, or less? I say, this is terribly exciting isn't it. I'd never even heard about this phenomenon before, at least not to such an advanced extent.

I'm sure he did it because he probably wanted to know what Star Control fans thought of "mass effect". He was under the mistaken guise that everyone's heard of the game, because of the commotion it gave off at last year's E3.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 07:51:11 pm
For those of us who aren't ardent gamers and don't follow such events, any new game is an unknown. The newest game I know of is probably Half-Life 2 or some such. I haven't played it, but I've seen it mentioned. Anything newer or with less hype is probably completely unknown to me. :(


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 08:03:59 pm
For those of us who aren't ardent gamers and don't follow such events, any new game is an unknown. The newest game I know of is probably Half-Life 2 or some such. I haven't played it, but I've seen it mentioned. Anything newer or with less hype is probably completely unknown to me. :(

Yeah, Lore was under the guise that everyone in the gaming world is keeping up with all the latest gaming news.

Or is this just sarcasm again?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 08:15:02 pm
No, this is blunt honesty. I'm sure most people (at gaming forums anyway) keep up with things like these. In fact, for all I know, I might be the only one here who hasn't heard about the game. I'm just too old and not hip enough for such things.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Shiver on November 14, 2006, 08:18:57 pm
I'm thinking Meep-eep's conspiracy theory isn't too far off base. But if Lore and swbf are the same person and that person is a "shill", couldn't he just include tons of info about the game in the first post like I frickin' told him to? That's a better post, and a better job of shilling.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 08:21:41 pm
I'm thinking Meep-eep's conspiracy theory isn't too far off base. But if Lore and swbf are the same person and that person is a "shill", couldn't he just include tons of info about the game in the first post like I frickin' told him to? That's a better post, and a better job of shilling.

Nah, it's way off base. Lore and me aren't the same person, we just use the same computer. I should have used torpark to post here....now I regret not using it. But as you said, if he wanted to whore out the game, why not include the summary of the game in the post, along with reasons why he thinks it will be an awesome game. Lore's original post is bad advertising if it was meant to be advertising. Plus, he tried to lock the topic.

But oh wait, maybe that's Bioware's plan, get people to think that they are bad at shilling when it's really SHILLING! Oh let the conspiracy theories flow!


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 08:26:43 pm
I think you're a shill Shiver, if that's even your real name. Maybe you're their overseer.  You saw Lore botched the job, so you stepped in and gave him instructions while pretending to be criticising his post. Then when the result wasn't optimal, you called in backups in the form of swbf just to sell the point that liking the game is something lots of people do. And now that your insidious little marketing attempt has failed, you're throwing them to the wolves. Oh you think you're so smart, sitting there like the Ilwrath in your vast net of  commercial conspiracies, but I'm on to you. What happened to you man? You used to be one of the good guys, and now all you care about is profits.

I'm watching you man. I'm watching you.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 08:30:39 pm
He's not an Ilwrath, Ilwrath's don't care about PROFIT! He's a Druuge. Us three are Druuge's. Damn, my cover has been blown!


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 14, 2006, 08:35:04 pm
Druuge don't have nets. You would've known this if not for the fact that you're a shill, shill. You and your shilly firends should just shill off back to Shilltown where you shillers obviously came from.

I like the world shill. It sounds silly.

EDIT: Out of curiosity, why are you using the same computer? Are you closely related, or is one of you mooching? Cause if one of you is mooching, he might also be a shill. Just saying.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 14, 2006, 08:40:44 pm
Druuge don't have nets. You would've known this if not for the fact that you're a shill, shill. You and your shilly firends should just shill off back to Shilltown where you shillers obviously came from.

I like the world shill. It sounds silly.

Hey, don't be insulting my hometown of Shilltown.....it may not have all the glamor of big time cities like Paris or New York, but we have the best SHILL militia ever!

EDIT: Out of curiosity, why are you using the same computer? Are you closely related, or is one of you mooching? Cause if one of you is mooching, he might also be a shill. Just saying.

Oh, we are related. We're brothers, and we share this computer together, much cheaper than buying two computers.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 11:23:27 pm
But as to your whole "hired to spread the word of X product." Bioware doesn't need that kind of advertising. It's a big name in the gaming industry, and the game won best RPG at last year's E3.
Well, I never heard of it. And noone here who has spoken out on this topic seems to have either. The gaming industry is a a competitive one, and I've never known big businesses to be particularly shy of dubious practices.

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Trust me,
That's what we call  begging the question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question).

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Bioware doesn't need such shills, and they sure as hell wouldn't hire me to do such a thing anyway.
Why wouldn't they hire you? Or rather, why wouldn't they hire a marketing company that employs tens of people like you for specifically purposes like this?


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But as you said, if he wanted to whore out the game, why not include the summary of the game in the post, along with reasons why he thinks it will be an awesome game.
Maybe he wanted to apply that this game is so big that everyone should know the game already? (So you better go learn about it.)
Maybe he didn't want to make it too obvious that he was shilling?
Maybe he had 20 more boards to shill for today?

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Lore's original post is bad advertising if it was meant to be advertising.
Why is it bad? He advances awareness about the game, and noone would blame Bioware for one of their fans being too lazy to find a link.

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Plus, he tried to lock the topic.
That's a reason against him (you two?) being a shill? That he tried to lock the thread when the thread was not providing good publicity?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 14, 2006, 11:33:42 pm
And a question about the game itself, what exactly about it would make this game particularly interesting to Star Control fans?
Just the exploring of uncharted regions of space? While I agree that that is a nice part of SC2, it's hardly unique to it.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 15, 2006, 12:12:38 am
Quote from: meep-eep
Well, I never heard of it. And noone here who has spoken out on this topic seems to have either. The gaming industry is a a competitive one, and I've never known big businesses to be particularly shy of dubious practices.

But they wouldn't need to employ me or lore to advance the word on mass effect.

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Why wouldn't they hire you?
Because i'm not 18 yet, and I'm not even in canada, so they couldn't hire me anyway. I'd have to relocate.

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Maybe he didn't want to make it too obvious that he was shilling?

I already pointed that out, anyone could use the "he didn't want to make it obvious he was shilling". Like I said, let the conspiracy theories flow!


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Why is it bad? He advances awareness about the game, and noone would blame Bioware for one of their fans being too lazy to find a link.

It's bad because he didn't really give any info with the post. He just says "hey guys, what do you think of X game." I think people would agree that is bad advertising. It has no flare to it.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 15, 2006, 12:16:23 am
And a question about the game itself, what exactly about it would make this game particularly interesting to Star Control fans?
Just the exploring of uncharted regions of space? While I agree that that is a nice part of SC2, it's hardly unique to it.


I'd have to semi agree with you. They haven't revealed much on the interaction with other species, but it does sound like they will bring them to life much like SC2 did. It's really much more appealing to Kotor fans.  But I didn't make this thread, Lore did, so he should be better equipped  to answer that question.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 15, 2006, 07:33:49 am
They haven't revealed much on the interaction with other species, but it does sound like they will bring them to life much like SC2 did.

What does this  even mean? They'll be drawn characters? They'll give you several conversation options? They'll have... you know what, never mind. I can't even guess what it's supposed to mean, so please enlighten me.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: meep-eep on November 15, 2006, 01:39:18 pm
After Googling a bit, it seems to become increasingly unlikely that LoreAlmighty is a shill. My apologies. Welcome to the UQM forums. :D


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 15, 2006, 02:20:02 pm
They haven't revealed much on the interaction with other species, but it does sound like they will bring them to life much like SC2 did.

What does this  even mean? They'll be drawn characters? They'll give you several conversation options? They'll have... you know what, never mind. I can't even guess what it's supposed to mean, so please enlighten me.

This means that the alien species will seem in depth in  the way they were in SC2,  BTW, Mass Effect is using some new unique conversation system.

On the conversation system-"Making this easier on the player is a brand new communication system. Rather than scrolling through a list of possible responses during conversation, the various directions of the right analog-stick are mapped to different emotional response types; simply moving the stick leads to the proper tone without requiring you to read through every potential response. You could of course still read through everything before making a choice, but those looking to keep it moving could, for example, hold Right to fire off snarky answers or hold Left to be more pleasant. Plus, you don’t have to wait for people to finish sentences, as you can queue up a response in mid-stream, then watch it all play out seamlessly."

Quote from http://www.game-revolution.com/preview/xbox360/mass_effect



Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: swbf on November 15, 2006, 02:20:39 pm
After Googling a bit, it seems to become increasingly unlikely that LoreAlmighty is a shill. My apologies. Welcome to the UQM forums. :D


If you're serious with that, Thanks for the apology, and no hard feelings from me at least.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: LoreAlmighty on November 15, 2006, 05:01:23 pm
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Quote from: meep-eep on Today at 01:39:18 pm
After Googling a bit, it seems to become increasingly unlikely that LoreAlmighty is a shill. My apologies. Welcome to the UQM forums. Cheesy


If you're serious with that, Thanks for the apology, and no hard feelings from me at least.


Same here.  If that was serious, then apology accepted.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Rogue Kohr-Ah on November 22, 2006, 12:10:26 am
It seems Im a bit late, but can we lay off the personal attacks with little basis please?  Here i am absent for a while, and this goes on in my leave ... doesn't exactly make me want to stick around...


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Deus Siddis on November 22, 2006, 05:41:38 pm
Damn, I don't even get a cameo in future events. :'(


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Death 999 on November 22, 2006, 06:51:31 pm
Don't worry, we're implied in that last bullet point.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 22, 2006, 08:00:04 pm
It seems Im a bit late,

Well, only be a week or so.

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but can we lay off the personal attacks with little basis please?  Here i am absent for a while, and this goes on in my leave ... doesn't exactly make me want to stick around...

You appear to be misinterpreting something here. Let me lay this out for you.

  • Lore posts thread
  • Slight discussion, swbf posts as well
  • meep discovers their identical IP address, and warns them. He asks them to explain themselves.
  • An explanation is presented, and meep is not satisfied. He proclaims he will keep an eye on them, and does some internet detective things
  • Other users in the thread start playfully accusing each others of being shills, and the thread takes a humorous turn.
  • meep finds evidence tha indicates that the two accounts are different people, and lets discussion continue.
  • Discussion dies down because no one seems to really have anything to say abut the game.
  • Time passes.
  • More time passes.
  • Even more time passes. (get it?).
  • You arrive a week late, and chide people for things that (as far as I can tell) they haven't done.
  • I write this humorous, yet poignant explanatory post.
  • Deus writes some post rambling about something that isn't true and hasn't happened.
  • Death_999 replies to this seemingly random stream of words with a short quip, which is true in it's very own special way.
  • You reply with something along the lines of "Oh Lukipela, you are so wise, you have lifted my veil of ignorance and I can now see the light of truth. Praise the Almighty!"
  • I respond with courtesy, yet coyly, and feel a quiet pride that I have accomplished something.
  • Ivan enters the thread again, and berates you for talking about the almighty, because "To an atheist that means nothing!"
  • RTyp06 enters the thread and makes some comments about how atheists can't explain Intelligent Design.
  • Lore gets annoyed that no one is paying attention to his jew-hating in the neighbouring thread, and comes back here with a dissertation on the nature of reality, shocking us all.
  • The universe ends.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: RTyp06 on November 22, 2006, 11:16:33 pm
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RTyp06 enters the thread and makes some comments about how atheists can't explain Intelligent Design.

uhhh.. come again? :o



Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on November 23, 2006, 11:26:19 am
  • Ivan enters the thread again, and berates you for talking about the almighty, because "To an atheist that means nothing!"
....
  • The universe ends.

So if I won't say this your prophercy will not be fulfield, and I will effectively save the universe.
Praise me!


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Deus Siddis on November 23, 2006, 02:44:31 pm
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So if I won't say this your prophercy will not be fulfield, and I will effectively save the universe.
Praise me!

Praise you?! You just altered the natural timeline with your knowledge of (what was) the future. You have just annihilated trillions of people, who will never be born now, do to your lack of ignorance!

Also, none of us have lines now, thanks to you. How the hell am I supposed to know what to say?


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Lukipela on November 23, 2006, 04:00:59 pm
To add insult to injury, he also quoted my post, so I can't go back and redo the time line in order to stabilize it. I always knew that the atheists would be the ones to do us in. They hold nothing holy, and now this has doomed us all. I suppose we'll just have to skip to the last point.


Title: Mass Effect: Gameplay feels like SC2
Post by: jmorgan on December 14, 2007, 03:36:32 am
Hi Guys,
Have been playing Mass Effect on the Xbox 360 - and something gives me the feeling these guys definitely played SC2.
If I were to ever expect a proper sequal to SC2 to come out, the format Mass Effect has used would be perfect. It doesn't have hyperspace travel or space battles, but it's plot progression and open-ness is not something I have seen in a game for a long time.

You can talk to people and choose conversation tree's like SC2, you can land on bases and explore them on foot, doing sidequests that can reside entirely on one space station or planet, or require you to investigate different solar systems. You can get into gun fights with people. You can jump in your ship and explore the galaxy solar system by solar system, investigating each planet, mining minerals, and can land in a lander and drive around and find energy signatures and other things.

Has anyone played it? I think its great :) An excellent view of what a REAL SC3 could be like with modern tech.


Moderator edit: merged this posting into this preexisting thread.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Shiver on December 14, 2007, 05:14:37 am
This topic got off to a bad start. Still, I'm playing this game now as well and it is actually pretty fun. But even with the planet lander sequences, Mass Effect doesn't really resemble Star Control too much. I'd say the Bioware wanted to keep making Knights of the Old Republic games, but they also wanted to give George Lucas an enormous "fuck you". This is essentially still KoTOR without the Star Wars flavor. I'd call that a move in the right direction; if Lucas can't take his own universe seriously enough to make good prequels and would rather milk the franchise for cash then it's for the best that game developers steer clear of Star Wars.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: MitchB1990 on December 28, 2007, 03:34:37 am
I think they have played SC2, The first thing I thought when I saw the spaceship launcher station was of Sa-Matra. But many other coincidences that occur in game made me believe so too, especially the conversation trees.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: guesst on January 03, 2008, 05:22:42 pm
The only reviews i've really seen on Mass Effect are from PA's 3 (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/14) part (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/16) comic (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/11/19) and comments on the subject and Ben "Yatzee" Croshaw's hilarious ramblings (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/2738-Zero-Punctuation-Mass-Effect). Both of these sources have manifest positive feelings for SC2 and neither of these sources mention SC2 in their reviews. Both of them, however, mention KOTOR. So since the professional critics don't see it perhaps the similarities to SC2 are purely cosmetic and not as deep as we'd like to think.


Title: Re: Mass Effect.
Post by: Shiver on January 03, 2008, 09:45:48 pm
It's Yahtzee, actually. With an H in there. I sort of know the guy. He's on SA's forums an awful lot. I haven't seen him reference Star Control ever, where did you see that?