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Title: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on December 01, 2006, 11:13:07 am
This didn't really take off in the Dear Satan thread, and I'm kind of wondering how many people would be willing to do a meet-up.
For the time beeing assume that you'll have to travel on the other side of the world.

edit:

Also, one more thing: if you vote no, please specify if it's an absolute "no, I'm not going no matter what", or maybe "no, but I'd be willing to if it was on my continent/country/etc."


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Anthony on December 01, 2006, 12:16:49 pm
It would be so cool if there were a StarCon Con, as you put it.  Unfortunately, I'm in Canada, and I need to save money for education and other things, so I wouldn't be able to travel.

But a StarCon con would be awesome if there was a large community of people in one city who play Star Control.  That would show Alex how much we cared.

If Star Controllers started to show up to existing Sci-fi conventions, that would help put our foot in the door...


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Neonlare on December 01, 2006, 03:39:34 pm
:(

In England, Noooooooooo!


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on December 01, 2006, 04:38:22 pm
:(

In England, Noooooooooo!

I'm not sure what you mean... would you like it to happen in England, or anywhere but England?

Also, one more thing: if you vote no, please specify if it's an absolute "no, I'm not going no matter what", or maybe "no, but I'd be willing to if it was on my continent/country/etc."


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: meep-eep on December 01, 2006, 05:03:28 pm
Also, one more thing: if you vote no, please specify if it's an absolute "no, I'm not going no matter what", or maybe "no, but I'd be willing to if it was on my continent/country/etc."
Maybe you should have made it two separate choices then...


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Ivan Ivanov on December 01, 2006, 05:14:02 pm
Also, one more thing: if you vote no, please specify if it's an absolute "no, I'm not going no matter what", or maybe "no, but I'd be willing to if it was on my continent/country/etc."
Maybe you should have made it two separate choices then...


Yeah, I guess you're right, tough I'm affraid the as a result everyone will want it to happen in their own country, but I guess it's better to get a specific answer.

Ok then everybody, one more time!


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Anthony on December 01, 2006, 05:27:39 pm
Okay, I voted again :P

That doesn't mean that I will go out my my province; just as far as any of the nearby cities.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Draxas on December 01, 2006, 05:44:18 pm
A Starcon con would be great, but I don't know about flying halfway around the world for it... If it was in the US or Canada, I could probably spring for it, though. Any farther than that, though, and I can't really afford the $1000+ airline tickets.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: youBastrd on December 01, 2006, 07:32:07 pm
It could be tacked on (ie get a booth) at the Fan Expo (http://www.hobbystar.com/ComicConToronto2006/CC_Main.asp) in Toronto (August 2007).  This event combines video games, anime, card games like Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh, Trek and Star Wars geeks, the whole lot.  This is definitely the place to show off Star Control!  In fact, they have Video Games Live (http://www.videogameslive.com/index.php?s=home) going on at the same time, where they play video game music in a symphony orchestra.  Wouldn't that be incredible to have them do Star Control music?* :) 

Hmm... wonder what one of those booths would cost...

There are similar events in Montreal, and probably in Vancouver and other major cities.  But I think more of us are closer to Toronto.  Besides, as an IGDA Toronto guy (http://igda.org/toronto/), I tend to promote Toronto for all things video game.  :)

* Incidently, I've already asked here (http://igda.org/Forums/showthread.php?s=6bd4693972764444831b6137d6664d3c&threadid=23186) and via email to Tommy Tallerico, but so far no reponse. 


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: NamelessPlayer on December 01, 2006, 10:03:48 pm
Only if it's within my country(United States), and that's a big "if".

I'm likely not to spend money on something like airline tickets to a convention, so it would have to be around the Atlanta, GA area. That way, I don't have to pay nearly as much just to get there. (It'll probably make things worse for the rest of you, though...)

I should also learn how to make plushies so that all attendees can carry home their own little Fwiffo...


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Neonlare on December 01, 2006, 10:10:51 pm
:(

In England, Noooooooooo!

I'm not sure what you mean... would you like it to happen in England, or anywhere but England?

Also, one more thing: if you vote no, please specify if it's an absolute "no, I'm not going no matter what", or maybe "no, but I'd be willing to if it was on my continent/country/etc."

I mean I live in england :(.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on December 02, 2006, 01:04:02 am
Hey Batman. Shout out to my fellow Canadian.

I'd be willing to join to a SC convention in my local city. But out of
province? No. I prefer to kill aliens long-distance.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Anthony on December 02, 2006, 06:29:19 pm
Quote from: youBastrd
* Incidently, I've already asked here and via email to Tommy Tallerico, but so far no reponse.

Awesome!  I sent him and Victor Lucas e-mails about talking about Star Control when they have their "cool website" segment.  You should send him another e-mail telling him about Star Control music in the Video Games Live event.

If you don't know who Tommy Tallarico or Victor Lucas are, check out http://www.elecplay.com. I don't think the website has been updated in a long time, but it's still a good site nonetheless...

Legends never die!


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Culture20 on December 02, 2006, 07:38:50 pm
It could be tacked on (ie get a booth) at the Fan Expo (http://www.hobbystar.com/ComicConToronto2006/CC_Main.asp) in Toronto (August 2007).
As an added bonus, Toronto's weather is quite pleasant in August.

In fact, they have Video Games Live (http://www.videogameslive.com/index.php?s=home) going on at the same time, where they play video game music in a symphony orchestra.  Wouldn't that be incredible to have them do Star Control music?* :)
Dude, when I read that, I suddenly got an image of a guy with a bass-guitar starting to play the opening riff of the Ilwrath theme (with cheering fans), and someone on synth and drums for the rest, although violins or some other stringed intrument (combined with percussion) might be a good replacement for the synthesizer.
Then I started thinking about the Ur-Quan.  Full Orchestral arrangement, complete with trombones, gong and timpani for the first few notes.  :D
How cool would it be to get the band that the Androsynth spoof to play the androsynth song though...
Any musician worth his salt would find playing the Spathi theme to be interesting, and the haunting Utwig theme would be great with string bass, violas, and a (contra)bass/alto flute.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: NamelessPlayer on December 02, 2006, 08:55:21 pm
SC2 music live? I'd probably attend just for the HyperSpace theme alone! (That one piece is probably the catchiest piece of game music EVER...)

I am quite infuriated that VGL has no plans to come to Atlanta, GA, though...I'm still not buying expensive plane tickets for this sort of thing!


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Mugz the Sane on December 04, 2006, 11:02:34 am
I would gladly travel to the other side of the solar system for a StarconCon. I sadly lack the budget.

If I am given sufficiently advanced warning of such a happening, though, 50% chance.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: youBastrd on December 04, 2006, 09:46:36 pm
I'm still kicking myself for not attending the VG Live event when it was in Toronto to pitch this in person directly to Mr. Tallerico, as apparently many game industry-types typically stick around at the end of these performances.  But we went to see Lord of the Rings at one of the last performances that night, so no dice unfortunately. 

I have sent out one such email already to Mr. Tallerico, but no response.  Perhaps it's time to send another.  :)

So what are we proposing here: adding Star Control music to the Video Games Live playlist.  So that means:

Getting their interest
** via email, phone calls etc to the VGL organizers.  Typically we'll want to get into contact with their agents first to respectfully get attention, then deal directly with the organizers. 

Once, they're happy with the concept, make a pitch. 
** Get TFB's blessing.  If the answer is no, out of respect we do not go any further. 
** Get the Precursors' permission.  See how involved they want to get. 
** Establish who the points of contact are on our side.  Who do they contact for questions about technology, licensing, creative, organization, PR, etc?  They will be used to dealing with people and organizations (ie a telephone number and email address to call) more so than forum posts etc. 
** Getting all current arrangements to VGL organizers in lossless format (Probably audio CDs via snail mail or if we happen to have people in the right city, via smiling, enthusiastic person :) ).  Only use ones that we have permission to use (ie UQM standard, ask permission from Precursors, any others that are kicking around: Chrispy's, Robeter Productions', any others)

VGL starts their planning.
** VGL picks out a short list of songs to play directly / fuse into a medley / whatever creative they want to do with it
** VGL finalizes any licensing issues, probably directly with TFB, and to an extent the Precursors. 
** Creating orchestral arrangements of the music. 
** Doing their other creative aspects of the stage performance: visuals, pyrotechnics, costumes, lighting, the whole works

VGL goes into full production. 
** Conductor, Orchestra, stage crew etc start learning their parts
** PR starts pimping this addition to their repertoire. 
** VGL starts performing Star Control music.  Mandibles clack in amusement. 


Questions:

What's in it for VGL?

Adding some terrific music in their repertoire; adding yet another popular franchise to their list of such things. 

Money: they charge admission to these events, and I don't think it's cheap. 

What's in it for TFB?

With any luck, TFB may be able to get some royalties from the performances.  As always, I suspect the rest of us will be volunteers. 

This also strengthens their Star Control brand.  When a Star Control game comes out, it'll be that much more popular.  Who knows, maybe this starts a new Internet buzz. :)

What in it for us?

We're essentially encouraging TFB to make a Star Control game by showing how popular it really is.  Yes, there are *real people* out there who are willing to shell out *real money* for something with Star Control on it. 

We might also be able to "sell" / ask for donations for CDs with UQM on it at the events.  Yes, the GPL allows for this, it's just no way to run a business since anyone can just download it free. :)  In terms of what happens to such funds... I dunno, start an UQM fund, let Meep-eep figure out what to do with it. 

This is a fair amount of legwork to get all this together for some other people (VGL and TFB) to make money. 

Who's doing the orchestration?

Dunno, probably mostly VGL, with help from anyone that wants to volunteer if they ask for such help. 


Also, this is now completely off-topic from the idea of a StarCon Con. :)  Such an event would require even more planning... even just a booth would take more, and actually require cash.  It's also do-able when planned correctly.  Next post I'll do a mini-write up on that. :)


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Culture20 on December 05, 2006, 05:21:41 am
I'd include an mp3 or ogg version of a couple of the longest/most complex songs, and links to the others in an email.  Hopefully, they'd know what SC2 music is like, but just the fact that SC2 was _known_ for it's music in it's day (among other things, kinda like C&C) means that it's worthy of VGL.

Something in our favor: the benefit of the songs being in MOD format means that the seperate instruments' notes/timings can be written easier.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Death 999 on December 08, 2006, 08:09:25 pm
An entire convention for only three/two games seems a little bit much. I attended a general-purpose anime convention, and that wore thin after about a day and a half. 100% Star Control would be too much.

BUT!

Having Star Control presence at appropriate more broadly-based conventions would be very appropriate.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Lukipela on December 20, 2006, 05:19:21 pm
I voted "If on the same continent". Being newly employed, I have neither the resources nor the time to go gallivanting around the globe. However, if the con were to be held in a nice city I might be able to persuade my significant other that the sightseeing and quality time we would spend would far outweigh the relatively small amount of nerd time embedded in the trip :)

An entire convention for only three/two games seems a little bit much. I attended a general-purpose anime convention, and that wore thin after about a day and a half. 100% Star Control would be too much.

BUT!

Having Star Control presence at appropriate more broadly-based conventions would be very appropriate.

How about an entire convention where we meet, go have dinner, and then have a few drinks, whilst discussing (amongst other things) StarControl? A StarBaseCafeCon if you will.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: youBastrd on December 28, 2006, 01:14:11 am
So maybe then we're looking more at the booth at a conference.  Ballpark pricing for one booth at this "Fan Expo Canada" is about 700 USD.  That's for a booth, with little to no advertising.  FYI , the gaming, sci-fi, comic book and anime expo's are all in the same building on the same dates, and admission gets you into all of 'm.  Presumably we're looking at the gaming one if we apply.   

There are also gaming tournaments going on there.  Hmm... UQM tournaments?  TW* tournaments?  Now that would be awesome! 

So that gets the booth only, no staff.  Uh... does this mean I'm staffing the booth?  Alone, for three very full days??  I mean, if we got ourselves a Syreen booth babe, that's another story. :)  What I mean is that we should have at least one  more person (preferrably many) putting lots of time into this in order to get it to work.  These things do take time and effort.

Fund raising... we could sell all kinds of things to raise money before the event (mostly donations or selling crap online I guess), and raise money at the event, like asking for donations for copies of UQM, TW* or soundtracks (if such permission is granted).  Heck, throw it in a shrink-wrapped box, too!  Either that or get corporate or government donations.  Maybe it's worth looking at getting a not-for-profit set up.  Any thoughts? 

However, if the con were to be held in a nice city I might be able to persuade my significant other that the sightseeing and quality time we would spend would far outweigh the relatively small amount of nerd time embedded in the trip :)
Toronto is a beautiful city, very tourist friendly.  It's definitely worth the trip. :)


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: 0xDEC0DE on December 28, 2006, 02:36:20 am
So maybe then we're looking more at the booth at a conference.  Ballpark pricing for one booth at this "Fan Expo Canada" is about 700 USD.  That's for a booth, with little to no advertising.  FYI , the gaming, sci-fi, comic book and anime expo's are all in the same building on the same dates, and admission gets you into all of 'm.  Presumably we're looking at the gaming one if we apply.

Interesting.  I have a few random thoughts on the matter:

  • I would think that if the "fan community" were to take out a booth at a convention, they'd want to get as much bang for their buck as humanly possible, e.g., get a booth at the San Diego Comic-Con or something similarly huge so that the potential exposure is as great as possible.  E3 is dead, but one of the other gaming cons is bound to replace it.
  • A booth for Star Control-related properties should hand out free CD-ROMs of The Ur-Quan Masters, in a nice professional-looking sleeve with artwork and system requirements and install instructions and all the good fun stuff.  Win32, MacOS X, Linux RPM and source code should all be included.  Getting such things made is cheaper than you might think, especially in bulk.  It also goes without saying that a big booth banner is in order.  Those are, oddly enough, usually more expensive than you'd think.  :-\
  • Since it's their baby, asking Paul Reiche and/or Fred Ford how much it would cost for them to show up and talk, sign autographs, etc. should be part of the plan, and factored into the cost of setting up.  Of course, if they don't want to do it, then you save money!  ;)
  • Now that The Powers That Be have given us UQM net-melee (get your asses to #uqm_arena for some mad scrappin', y0!) a bank of networked machines to let folks whomp on each other could only be a good idea.
I'd suspect that most everything could be put together for under $5000 USD.  If you get enough philanthropic souls together, that cost is pretty manageable.  And some of the more zealous fanboys out there who have more money than sense could probably be convinced to bankroll such an endeavour pretty easily, if it were done right.

/looks at shoes, fidgets


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Lukipela on December 28, 2006, 06:09:46 am
Toronto is a beautiful city, very tourist friendly.  It's definitely worth the trip. :)

Actually, If the thing doesn't happen right now, but rather in a year or so, I would love to visit Canada.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: youBastrd on January 18, 2007, 06:01:49 pm
Here are samples of what the Video Games Live show is like.  Seems like a really fun event!

Classic arcade medley:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVHGy9XEF9I
Metal Gear Solid:      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_6LG8dyE0U


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: youBastrd on April 23, 2007, 06:07:24 am
So at GDC in March, I randomly bumped into Tommy Tallerico at a bar.  He wasn't really familiar with SC music, but was loosely familiar with the franchise.  He was receptive to the idea of  adding Star Control music to the VGL lineup.  He suggested that I send some more information to an email address he gave me.  Uh, like six weeks ago. :)

So here's what we should send:
* One paragraph about the Star Control franchise
* One paragraph about why the music is memorable
* One paragraph about how strong the community is
* An offer to snail-mail a CD filled with music and remixes from the UQM content and Remix packs.  The goal here is to get them to commit to something very small to see if it's worth continuing with.  So their only commitment is to listen to a CD that we send to them. 

Why send a CD as opposed to just emailing a bunch of links?  Their time is very short, and the people that may be on the other end may not like dealing with technical issues.  We can only assume that we get one shot at this, and we must minimize their hassle. 

Yes, of course we must be upfront about the licenses of the files and that in order to make this happen, VGL must contact TFB to make some arrangement.  At the very least this task serves as an introduction. 

Really I'm hoping that someone else wants to take ownership of this task and see it through.  Does anyone want to do a write-up of those paragraphs listed above?  Also, what is the short list of candidate songs we recommend they do?  Ur-Quan Kzer-Za for sure, but what else will be memorable?


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Cedric6014 on April 23, 2007, 07:45:13 am
These are the best tunes:

Hyperspace, Slylandro, Druuge, Yehat, Ur-Quan, Commander Hayes, Orz, Chmmr,  Quasispace

In that order.  The first 6 or 7 should be enough to knock their socks off


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Galactic on April 23, 2007, 01:49:17 pm
I live in Finland...


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Cedric6014 on April 23, 2007, 03:49:44 pm
It seems everyone lives in finland. the convention should be in helsinki


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Elerium on April 23, 2007, 05:13:28 pm
I live in England :-\ if there was a StarCon, then chances are I wouldn't be to go if it was stuck in say America because it would be very difficult to get there, money and travel wise.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: Galactic on April 23, 2007, 05:21:32 pm
It seems everyone lives in finland.
I wonder how.


Title: Re: the StarCon Con?
Post by: DavidPartay on May 03, 2007, 04:42:41 am
Well, I live in Australia...  And no, I wouldn't go to a convention, because I never go to conventions.  I like computer games, but I don't like them THAT much :p


Also, the Ilwrath music would sound better with a double-bass, not a bass guitar.  I'm pretty sure that it's sampled with a double-bass anyway.