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Title: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 18, 2008, 05:48:00 pm
I haven't seen it, and am debating whether to spend my hard-earned cash on a debatably good movie.

I know it's gotten great reviews, but I'd say 61% of that is because Heath Ledger died.  Batman Begins was pretty good. For those who have seen Dark Knight, what was your overall reaction?


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: countchocula86 on July 21, 2008, 04:44:28 pm
The movie was quite frankly awesome. I thought Ledger's Joker was just amazingly on the ball. The way he acted, the way he planned things, it was very very good. I really do think the movie is worth it.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 21, 2008, 05:53:10 pm
Agreed about Ledger's acting. He pulled off Joker to a T. I used to watch the batman cartoon, and it's kind of amazing how different Dark Knight's portrayal of Joker was compared to the original. I remember the cartoon version of him was a bigger fan of releasing smoke bombs and playing pranks on Batman with his cohorts. Ledger's joker more resembled Jigsaw from the Saw movies. I thought it was kind of stupid how they related it to his abusive father, but whatever.

I thought I remembered Bruce Wayne being kind of likeable, but Christian Bale made him seem like a cocky jerk, way more so then in Batman Begins.  In the next one, I hope they have a mention of Bane. He was definitely the coolest Batman villian.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: countchocula86 on July 21, 2008, 09:14:57 pm
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I thought it was kind of stupid how they related it to his abusive father, but whatever.

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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 21, 2008, 10:26:48 pm
I don't think he was changing it, I think he was just adding more to it. Sorry for the spoiler, but it's a pretty insignificant detail.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Mormont on July 22, 2008, 02:16:11 am
It's awesome. Ledger's Joker lives up to the hype, it's not just cause he died.

And I'm pretty sure the Joker was just making stuff up with his scar stories.

As for Bruce Wayne being a cocky jerk, he puts on a public image as a somewhat arrogant playboy (this was in Begins too, such as the party scene). When he's alone with people he can fully trust (like Alfred), he's more likable.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 22, 2008, 03:42:28 am
what makes you think he made up those stories? There wasn't really a hint of that, was there? He mentions twice that he hated his father, and where else would the scars come from? He was made out to be a disturbing character. Reminds me of the angle they took with Michael Myers.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: countchocula86 on July 22, 2008, 08:30:57 am
My friends and I figured that the changing story was part of his "lack of motive". A real reason or something tangible to pin his anarchy on would sort of be anti-the Joker of the movie. I think it makes more sense for him to have no real reason, hes just pure chaotic evil


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 22, 2008, 05:26:02 pm
I totally agree that a lack of reason behind why he's the Joker is a better angle, and makes more sense from a character standpoint, but do you really think the movie made the explanation that complicated? The stories didn't change. They were about seperate scars and seperate incidents.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Lukipela on July 23, 2008, 01:10:41 pm
Man, I'm looking forward to this. It airs over ehre on the 25th, so just a few more days. I really liked the first one, even though I thought the story was a bit weak here and there. And the trailers seem to promise an awesome Joker.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Matticus on July 23, 2008, 07:23:13 pm
what makes you think he made up those stories? There wasn't really a hint of that, was there?
Well his different versions had parts that were contradictory, so one would assume he was inventing at least some details.

Edit: Thought the movie was amaaaaaziiiiiiiiing!


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Mormont on July 24, 2008, 03:45:38 pm
I don't see any reason to think the Joker was telling stories about different scars, and he probably would have come up with another story had Batman let him.

Also, in one of the comics the Joker says, "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 25, 2008, 02:45:07 am
I'm pretty glad about that. I'd be really disappointed if the Joker was the way he is because of his abusive father.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Matticus on July 25, 2008, 10:18:45 am
I don't see any reason to think the Joker was telling stories about different scars
Yeah it was pretty obvious they were different stories about the same scars (the ones by his mouth). I like the idea that maybe he's not inventing stories so much as he literally does not remember it the same way twice!


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 25, 2008, 01:31:39 pm
anyways, off-topic but who do you think the best batman villain was? Bane's got my vote, then maybe scarecrow?


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: countchocula86 on July 25, 2008, 07:57:27 pm
My two faves as well, but I prefer Scarecrow over Bane.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Lukipela on July 28, 2008, 05:55:42 pm
So I watched the movie. And it was good, especially for a comic book movie. Easily one of the better out there (although to be fair that's not too hard, a lot of them are horrible).  The Joker was portrayed very well. It was a different take than Nicholson's, but then again the new movies are very different in spirit. I quite enjoyed the new Joker, it really brought out his anarchist, unreliable side. He really is that crazy.

But I have to say  that while the Joker was good I don't think it was a Oscar winning performance. This might be because I'm prejudiced against comic books (or whatever), but I really don't think it was stunning enough to merit an Oscar. He did eclipse Batman though, really stole the show. Other than the the special effect where nice but not completely over the top, which is comforting. I hate it when movies become a sea of special effects. Sure there were a lot of them, and some were a bit over. But mostly they held it together without going too gung ho.

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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Shiver on July 28, 2008, 06:46:44 pm
Loved the shit out of this movie. Batman Begins was decent, but this was better. Pretty weird to see Christian Bale being upstaged in a movie centered around his own character, but there you.

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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 28, 2008, 10:19:22 pm
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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Lukipela on July 28, 2008, 10:55:55 pm
haha, so much for the spoilers

Sassy, use [.spoiler] [./spoiler] without the periods. Some themes have a button for it, but not the default one.  Or just quote this post to see how it's done.. No sense in ruining it for others. I know I'd have been annoyed to find that out before the movie started.

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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 29, 2008, 03:34:26 am
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Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Lukipela on July 29, 2008, 09:19:12 am
Meh, you do what you like of course. I strived to avoid any spoilers regarding the movie, so for me it was an exciting thing. Of course, if one wants to avoid spoilers one might not read topics about the movie. Or maybe one trusts ones fellow forumites to not spoil it unless there's a spoiler warning in the topic.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 29, 2008, 05:54:05 pm
Haha, what can I do Lukipela? I'm really sorry if you were annoyed. I think you're the only one who was concerned about my "spoiler" though. Hopefully.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Draxas on July 29, 2008, 06:19:06 pm
I don't know how to make spoiler tags, but I completely agree with what you said Shiver. There was no motive for that to happen. Just because that thing happened before he became two-face wasn't grounds for becoming two-face.
haha, so much for the spoilers

This isn't really a spoiler, considering that I saw previews with him in them. So it's the preview guys faults, really.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Lukipela on July 29, 2008, 10:06:53 pm
Haha, what can I do Lukipela?

Spoiler your spoiler?

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I'm really sorry if you were annoyed. I think you're the only one who was concerned about my "spoiler" though. Hopefully.

I'm not annoyed, it didn't spoil anything for me. I just hope you didn't spoil it for anyone else. Although you probably didn't. I tend to get excessively protective of people who probably don't exist. I just don't want to take the chance that something I do might lessen the enjoyment others might derive from the movie. Keep on spoiling in good faith ;)

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This isn't really a spoiler, considering that I saw previews with him in them.

I wonder if the previews are different in different countries. I watched the ones on TV here, and there was no mention of
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Anyway, to get back on topic. I also thought that the movie took the concept of batman to a new place compared to earlier movies. It was dark, depressing and thoughtful. In that way it succeeded much better than the last one. It made me think about the difference between what we need and what we want.



Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on July 29, 2008, 11:04:08 pm
I heard a radio interview with Bob Kane, the guy who created Batman, who said that the Dark Knight version of him was the original intended one. When the early cartoon came out after the comic Batman got transformed into the campy, more simplistic version we're used to. The original is reminiscent of Frank Miller's comics.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: Draxas on July 30, 2008, 04:11:37 pm
I wonder if the previews are different in different countries. I watched the ones on TV here, and there was no mention of...

To be fair, I only saw that particular preview once. It seemed to be some sort of product tie-in, and I didn't pay too much attention until
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After seeing that, it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that he would show up at some point, though I also expected him to just be set up in this movie and featured in the next.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: AngusThermopyle on August 01, 2008, 04:48:05 pm
Outstanding movie. I tend to avoid the summer 'blockbuster' type movies, but this one actually lived up to the hype.


Title: Re: New Batman movie
Post by: countchocula86 on August 01, 2008, 11:44:28 pm
I think I would have called Iron Man this summer's 'blockbuster' movie. Dark Knight, I think, was an all around great movie, beyond the scope of the summer even.