The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

You probably have made ideas of having own SC2 ships after playing SC2 for a long time? Would you have wanted to meet Androsynth in the adventure game, even though they would kick your ass and be extremely hostile? Were you so impressed by the music you started to make music á la Star Control 2? Did you start calling humans as 'hunams'?

These were, and still are, things, I've been thinking for a long time. I have even made two songs, though so crappy I won't be letting them get to the internet. :P

There are two things that every tracker or musician has to make in his/her life. The first is a cheesy popcorn remix. The second is one or more horrible SC2 remix(es).

Ok, that's bullcrap. ;) But yeah, I recognize myself from those things... Although I must admit I never called humans 'hunams', but that's probably just because English isn't my native language so the opportunity never arose! ;D

Now that you mention it, I think the time would be right for me to give that SC2-style music another go. It's been some three years since my last attempt... ;)

as a tracker of eleven years, i'll have you know that i never once remixed popcorn nor made a rendition of a star control song. (:

well, at least until now.  i'm remixing popcorn for the new release.

seriously.

really.

ok, no i'm not.   :D

I am working on a fan animation. My goal is to re-do the Star Control 2 ending, but as of now I don't have any music besides the original stuff.

well, one i DID called someone "spahi" once (her name looked like "spathi"  ;) too bad i cant remember her name :( )

Androsynth... I spent 4 hours looking for them. Orz killed them but i wouldn´t believe that. There had to be survivors i thought. As the four hours went by i started to believe the Orz sad i gave up.
Now i am looking for Chenjesu  :)
Any clues?
I heard some people say that the mmrnmhrm and Chenjesu united to make a new race: chmmr, but the thought of the entire race just vanishing is an absurd thought to me.
I shall post to the forum if any results are made.

Happy hunting Zero...
Oh, thank you the little voice in side of my head.   :o

The Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm were slave shielded on the Chenjesu's homeworld, so if you look at the Map on The Pages of Now and Forever (it's scanned from the one that game inside the box of scII) you will see where there Chenjesu's sphere of influnce was 20 game years ago. So, if you check those starts you'll find it.

He does bring up an excellent point. I doubt that despite reports that "all chenjesu and mmrnmhrm" no longer exist, that logically there would still be several runaways from each race that would abhor the thought of being joined with an alien being with a totally different biology. Evolutionary development or not.

Also, in the game, Commander Hayes mentions their homeworld if you drag the history of the war out of him. He doesn't call it their homeworld, but if you think about what he's saying, it's implied that it's very important to them, so important that they would abandon the rest of the alliance to defend it.

I don't see what's so hard to believe about it. Humans are rebellious and disagree with each other non-stop over every stupid little mundane thing, but that doesn't mean Chenjesu or Mmrnmhrm do. The Mmrnmhrm are robots, so I can say for certain that they don't disagree very much, if at all. The Chenjesu are probably prone to argue a bit, but I imagine they reach a consensus much faster than humans do seeing as how they are the most advanced old alliance race. So when the Ur-Quan told them to settle on one planet and the Chenjesu leaders said, "ok", it isn't too much of a stretch to assume both species entirely complied.

Yup :D

I think the fact that the Mmrnmmhrm Mother Ark was breaking down resulted in a mass gathering of these robot dudes.  I've heard alot of talk about 'rogue Mmrnmmhrm' still flying around in space.  However, considering the Mother Ark is destroyed and that their numbers would quickly diminish makes this highly unlikely.  Maybe there are some Mmrnmmhrm who don't rely on the Mother Ark to survive, but it was my understanding that its breaking down would result in the end of their species.  The Chenjesu, even as individuals, don't seem the type to break from coherency and go off on their own.  They're too diplomatic to resort to those ends.

Fanstuff that I've done?  Well, I created a whole bunch of new ship designs back in the day...  you know, new races, new ships and the such.  Most of them were pretty bad, but some of them had potential.

I read a story/idea somewhere on these forums a while back anout the possibility of some Mrnhrm and Chenjesu having gon on a long range mission of some sort, much like the humans to Vela, but further off. It is possible, if they as leaders of the alliance were looking for other races ready to aid them against the Quan, that they would've traveled far enough not to know about what was happening back home. Te real SC3 might indeed start with this joint task force arriving at home with a bunch of new allies, only to find that the rest of their race is gone....

Oh, yeah! Ships! There are quite a few designs that a friend of mine and I cooked up, and I think many of them are quality ships, which could be modified after playtesting to be better than the average SC3 ship.

He's a little busy getting a PhD in computer science at the moment, so I don't know if I can get the specifications on hand any time soon...

Well, there is (or was) a project that dealt with the subject of making new ships for melee.  The TimeWarp project involves tons of new, fan-made ships for battle, ships that may appear in a post-SC2 era.

http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/timewarp/

The activity at this site is mostly dead, but there's plenty of ideas still laying around this place.  I know because I was recently exploring some of the old ship designs and thinking how some of them were fairly similar to ones I came up with long ago...  and how some of my ideas were never even brought up by other people.  Cool place to explore...

It is, there used to be a LOT of interesting discussions avout the SC universe in general over there as well. Like Officer Flubbos theory about Ur-Quan biology and so on. It's a shame it's so quiet now, but I'm sure it'll pick up soon, when their new update comes up.

Looking at the TimeWarp forums, the last posts there seem to come from August or September 2002.  It's like everyone got up and left at the same time for some odd reason.  It was like the doomed Pkunk migration, perhaps.

Timewarp is still alive. It's just quiet now. The guys who were the main forces behind working it have all gone on spring break for a bit, and you know how it is about working for free. Besides, there's been a big new release for timewarp looming on the horizion for a while. They may just be building up steam for the big release.

True, but there are always going to be individuals within a society that feel like there's a 'better way' to get what they want. Did the Mother Ark truly get destroyed? Didn't Hayes say it just broke down..? Anyways, for the Mmrnmhrm, I imagine that a small colony of them might have pursued a method to create more of their own kind, perhaps by analyzing the inner workings of the Mother Ark or by rejuvenating it. Much like the Androsynth are sterile clones, but immediately researched a way to propogate despite their genetic limitations. Certainly I am sure they would have had second thoughts on the 'merge' with the Chenjesu, had they managed to get the Mother Ark working before the merge began.

As for the Chenjesu, I imagine every society has its criminals, its purists, its extremists, its rebels (Admiral ZEX!), its conservationists, its rogues (Black Spathi Squadron!). Even one as harmonic as the Chenjesu.

Perhaps I'm just poking at a moot issue.

But it just doesn't seem feasible that absolutely every single member of two races, with -no- exception whatsoever, agreed to merge itself with a counterpart with an utterly foreign and alien biology. It just strikes me as likely that there are would be (a very few) individuals who'd have no part of that. Not to mention, how did they get the pairing up of Mmrnmhrm and Chejesu down to the exact number without extras left over on either side? Did they perhaps join two Mmrnmhrm to a Chenjesu (or vice versa) in special cases?

For what it's worth, I agree up to the last paragraph. however, who says there was one chenjesu for every Mrnhrm? Maybe the ratio was completely diffferent, or maybe it was fluid? So some Chmmr could have one of each, some 3 Chenjesu and a Mrnhrm, and some 5 Mrnhrm and two chenjesu. After all, we don't know how big these fellas are, or how many of them there are. Maybe this way, there was enough people for everyone to go along with. Also, as stated in a thread that has probably fallen off the bottom of the world by now, we don't know what they were planning to become. Maybe they didn't want to be a whole race, instead they could have opted for a single individual, a kind of super being/weapons platform.

Whatever happened to the Mother Ark anyway? After it broke down I mean. If the Ur-Quan won the war then maybe they have it stashed somewhere.

Interesting thought. Even if it is too dmaged to build more Mrnhrm, perhaps it couild be utilized for something else? If it really is precusrosr tech, surely there might be a lot to be learnt from it.