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Here is a list of matchups where you can beat the awesome cyborg.  The list is incomplete, but still interesting.

All of the matchups start with full health for the CP, as well as full battery.


Androsynth vs. Everything

Arilou vs. Everything except Yehat

Chenjesu vs. Everything

Chmmr vs. Everything

Druuge vs. Everything except Kohr-Ah, Utwig, Yehat and Slylandro

Earthling vs. Everything except Chmmr and Yehat

Ilwrath vs. Everything

Kohr-Ah vs. Everything

Melnorme vs. Everything

Mmrnmhrm vs. Earthling
Mmrnmhrm vs. Orz
Mmrnmhrm vs. Pkunk
Mmrnmhrm vs. Melnorme
Mmrnmhrm vs. Mycon
Mmrnmhrm vs. Chenjesu
Mmrnmhrm vs. Druuge

Mycon vs. Androsynth
Mycon vs. Mycon
Mycon vs. Melnorme
Mycon vs. Druuge
Mycon vs. Shofixti
Mycon vs. Orz
Mycon vs. Chenjesu
Mycon vs. Mmrnmhrm
Mycon vs. Arilou

Orz vs. Everything

(No exploding)
Shofixti vs. Spathi

Slylandro vs. Mycon
Slylandro vs. Shofixti
Slylandro vs. Arilou
Slylandro vs. Pkunk
Slylandro vs. Mmrnmhrm
Slylandro vs. Orz
Slylandro vs. Androsynth
Slylandro vs. Druuge
Slylandro vs. Melnorme
Slylandro vs. Earthling

Thraddash vs. Earthling

VUX vs. ZoqFot

A more succinct list would be the matchups you can't win against the awesome cyborg.  ;)

And a better way to arrange the matchups would be in tabular format.

I win Yehat with Mycon pretty consistantly . Run from Yehat till you fill your crew and battery to max . From near complete stop let Yehat approach and accelerate  into it , so only one side of Yehat's cannons hits you . When you bump into Yehat , release both plasmoids , Yehat should be dead .
Mycon VS Spathi is a clean win - you use Spathi tactics at attacking Spathi and it dies .
Overall , versus the cyborg , you can win consistantly almoust anything , except Chmmr , Kohr-Ah and Utwig . Don't think i played Mycon against Slylandro though , need to see how it goes .

EDIT - Slylandro is easy .

ZooFot can consistently beat Chmmr.  Just takes a little while to knock all the sats off.
ZooFot is also the best ship for dispatching Mycon...don't even have to fire shot if you don't want to.
Druuge beats Yehat pretty easily. 


I'm not sure what Earthling can do to consistently beat the Sylandro... maybe win the odd match with a little luck.

Supox beats Chmmr easilly , though it takes some time .

Supox can also easily beat Kohr-Ah and Ur-Quan. Defeating the Kohr-Ah involves lots of precision and skill and timely use of the strafing.

I think a better metric for this would be looking at how the AI plays against itself. If you introduce a human player into the equation a bunch of other stuff comes into play that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with how the AI behaves, however, looking at how the AI plays against itself, you notice much more obvious flaws (for instance, the AI doesn't grok the Mmrnmhrm X-From at all, and is much to focused on picking up extra crew when playing as Syreen, and the AI really doesn't seem to be able to wrap its head around fighting Avengers) which can't just be attributed to the human player using a more adaptable/intelligent play style.

Chen was in IRC when he posted this embarrassing topic. I told him ask to Meep-Eep to delete this thread before too many people saw it but he didn't listen. At least he had the sense to clean up the first post with liberal application of the phrase "vs everything".



There are very few impossible match-ups against the cyborg. Anything can beat Kohr-Ah. I haven't put Umgah vs Kohr-Ah into practice, but EP seems to think that one is possible. Chmmr has a few impossible ones, obviously. Not sure about Utwig.



The AI is already stupid, why would you want to watch it be stupid against itself?

Well it's certainly not because I'm an extremely boring person, nope, no sir. >.>

Well here's what I can never beat with an Earthling (assuming enemy has full crew)
Chmmr
Yehat
Ilwrath
Androsynth
While it's theoretically possible, I rarely win against an Utwig, Slylandro or Kohr-Ah. A lot of it has to do with whether or not you get a gravity whip.

I find Arilou vs. Yehat very difficult. vs. Chenjesu is challenging and vs. Chmmr is basically impossible for me, though I've read peopel can do it.

Because of the way the game is set up, with asteroids and the planet, there should never be an impossible match-up for any two ships. 

Wrong. No asteroid can knock a Chmmr into the planet unless it's already flying pretty close. No sane (full crew) Chmmr will lose to an Earthling. (Admittedly, the AI isn't sane.)

I never said anything about asteroids knocking ships into the planet. That's pretty unlikely with any big ship. I mentioned asteroids and the planet just to show that any ship can be deviated from its course slightly by an asteroid, and any ship can hit the planet or use it for a gravity whip. Saying that a "sane" (don't know what exactly that means) full crew Chmmr "will lose" (meaning 100% of the time) to an Earthling is pretty ridiculous. Even if the chances are a billion to one that the best Chmmr pilot hits the planet 40 times and the Cruiser pilot avoids the attack using a gravity whip or asteroids, it's still a chance. There shouldn't ever be an impossibility.

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BLACK CAN LOSE

MAYBE HE'LL, LIKE, ACCIDENTALLY RESIGN OR SOMETHING

AWESOME CYBORG It's very hard sometimes!  :)

Check the link  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/UBCForce

Magenta, you realize you're resurrecting old, forgotten topics, right?

Anyways, regarding your statement: No, the cyborgs are all dumb. In fact, I'll give you a list:

Generally, all ships employ bad tactics and do not use the planet.

Androsynth gives little attempt to avoid dangers, and sometimes comets at bad times.

Arilou, being a flanking vessel, is not piloted especially bad. (Reaction time is the Cyborg's second strength)

Chenjesu puts way too much emphasis on creating DOGIs.

Chmmr has no unique faults.

Druuge has no unique faults and overall is not particularly bad. (Aim is the Cyborg's biggest strength)

Earthling doesn't aim its missiles (often firing when they have no chance of hitting) and uses point-defense against things that it can't stop.

Ilwrath has no unique faults and has a slight advantage when piloted by an AI (The Cyborg knows exactly where the Ilwrath is even when cloaked).

Kohr-Ah attempts to charge in close when the best tactic would be to stay far away and attack from long range.

Melnorme has no unique faults and overall is not particularly bad. (Aim is the Cyborg's biggest strength)

Mmrnmhrm has no unique faults.

Mycon puts too much emphasis on crew regeneration

Orz always tries to have at least 2 marines in the battlefield (unless it would drain his crew below 4), even if the other ship can easily kill or evade the marines.

Pkunk, being a flanking vessel, is not especially bad. (Reaction time is the Cyborg's second strength)

Shofixti has no unique faults.

Slylandro, being a flanking vessel, is not especially bad. (Reaction time is the Cyborg's second strength)

Spathi somehow manages to run into its own BUTT missiles frequently (I myself have never succeded in running into my own BUTT missiles on purpose. Maybe the Cyborg has a secret method. ::))

Supox often bumps into the planet/ is very clumsy.

Syreen has no unique faults.

Thraddash is REALLY stupid; It charges in with its afterburner (putting it very dangerously close) and then shoots a couple times with its peashooter. In the unlikely event that it survives, it turns around and goes in the opposite direction when it sees that the other ship's weapon is pointed at the Torch. (Usually, before it can get away, it gets blown up by your weapons, with some exceptions)

Umgah is actually controlled well because the Cyborg can zip itself right next to the enemy ship and kill it almost instantly with the antimatter cone. But for some reason, the cyborg refuses to use the retro-propulsion unless its opponent is really far away, allowing humans to easily manipulate it.

Ur-Quan launches fighters even against ships that can easily kill them, allowing almost any ship to whittle down the Dreadnought by shooting its fighters.

Utwig doesn't shield against certain things like the Thraddash afterburner and the Kohr-Ah FRIED.

VUX has no unique faults.

Yehat is actually not all that bad (reaction is the Cyborg's second strength), but against Ur-Quan fighters and Orz marines, it doesn't shoot, it shields, usually resulting in its destruction.

Zoq-Fot-Pik has no unique faults.


"No unique faults" means it only has the general tactical faults. If I'm wrong (EP, Shiver, and the others), please correct me.

And, of course, wastes its FRIED energy.

When you fight near the planet, it bumps into the planet fairly often because of its shoddy special usage. It's clumsy in other was too.

When you fight near the planet, it bumps into the planet fairly often because of its shoddy special usage. It's clumsy in other was too.
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Thx, EP. :)

I agree with you definitely but there's a one more thing I want tell you! I know the Cyborg is stupid yes but I wrote "sometimes is hard"!  When I won the four tournaments against friends and other peps here in my country and I have lost from them in the other tournaments! Man... sometimes the Cyborg was ultra hard more that some battles with people! Believe me I have battles against awesome pilots! Those videos from the link are the fan videos nothing more! And... Cyborg is stupid right? OK bro for that I fight one starship against seven or more! If you have a time cause I don't want to waste your time just watch my battle - Mycon against team and Kohr-Ah against team! If you have videos like those or videos - battle against your friends please give me the link! It will be a pleasure for me to watch your vids! Sorry for my bad english and peace friends!

imo, the cyborg is only hard if its using:
Slylandro
Arilou
Pkunk (It seems to resurrect a billion times before defeated... So ANNOYING!)
Umgah (especially)

Otherwise, it's a cake walk to beat it.

The Chmmr excessively uses the tractor beam, thus often being low on battery, making it unable to draw the enemy ship near with a stronger tractor beam (which could happen if it had more batt).

Druuge eats up tons of crew when facing a DOGI... which very quickly results in its death.

The Mmrnmhrm tends to charge in while in Y-wing form, without changing to X-wing. A very dumb and often lethal move (sort of like what the Thraddash does).
It generally chooses its moments of transformation very poorly.

It can be somewhat clumsy, and tends to charge in at the wrong moments, thus easily dying.

Yup, and as with most ships, when you get to know the AI, you can viciously manipulate when it transforms.