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Moderator edit: Split off this thread from this one (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=4434.0), and moved it to Starbase Café. I'm also closing it down (see last posting of this thread).
Moderator edit: fixed link.

Sorry Shiver, your results are 50/50. :P

Seriously, though, while I would love to write a huge apology letter and such to the SCDB, I can't because I'm banned (and this also means I can't contact Scott...), so you might as well give it a rest, unless you would like to be a middleman and deliver a message to Scott?

I highly regret my childish actions in the past; it had largely to do with a major depression (read: desire to die) I had just gone through. Sorry, Shiver, but I can't change the past, I can only learn. I realize that there will always be a scar on my reputation in this community; no one will forget. If you want to ban me, Meep-Eep, go ahead. It won't make a difference. My reputation is already scarred for life in this community, which in my opinion is already the ultimate punishment.

It's your choice, Shiver. You can stay mad forever, or you can put it behind you. You will have to decide which you are going to do.

It seems to be 57% against banning now. And this seems needlessly hostile.

I put that poll in here on a whim without really expecting it to go anywhere, but will state my position if that is what people want.

Jaychant seems to think that he committed some singular offense once upon a time, but every post he makes is inane crap,
and he posts frequently. It's simply embarrassing to read what he writes. This is why I don't like him and why he was removed
from SCDB. Furthermore, he seems incapable of improving his posting habits up to a tolerable level of quality any time soon,
if ever. As I have said before, some people can't help themselves. Jaychant is one of those people; his incomprehension of the
frustration many people feel toward him supports this. A community should not have to bend over backwards to accommodate
a troublemaker, even if that troublemaker has the best of intentions. So yes, I do want to see jaychant banned. He will continue to
deluge our forum with a continuous stream of horrible drivel until that happens.



I am sure that it does. You are the resident Carebear Fundamentalist after all.

This is much better than just making belittling comments. If you don't like someone it seems more honest and much less cowardly to just state your case this way than to restrict yourself to making snide remarks all the time.  Glad to see you (finally) chose a civilised way to handle your business.

It will be interesting to see what the poll evens out at. Right now it's at 62% against bannning, but I suppose it is early days yet.

Has anyone else noticed a link to this place (http://www.theybannedme.com/) in the ads on the results page of Shiver's poll? ;D

EDIT: Oh, it doesn't always come up. It was hilarious for me, anyway . . .

Shiver, you should work on the PvP guide instead of bugging jay... :P Seriously now, I really can't see what makes him a "troublemaker" from his postings here. It looks to me like you're just making fun of him because his posts are below your standards. This is not permissible -- only carebearing shall be tolerated. This drone now leaves to inform the Ur-Quan of your transgressions.


Anyway, I shall end this post with favorite quote of mine, paraphrasing Voltaire:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.


P.S. Please don't any of you two think I'm "taking sides". I'm not. You both rock. I just want us all to be happy. I'm a Carebear Fundamentalist.

70/30 on my side now.


Heh... I'd bet the rules there are something like this:

Oh please. You know I don't think much of passive-aggressive behavior, but any attempt at active aggression is likely
to bring down the wrath of the moderators. This "civilized" discourse is equally useless; I knew that even the guys in
#uqm-arena wouldn't back me up. I don't know about you people, but when I read a certain amount of stupid crap from
one person, I have to vent at them. So you see, I don't have a lot of choice here.



It won't go anywhere. You people have no standards whatsoever. Back when Valaggar was way out of line, something like 8/32
people wanted him gone. Meep-Eep wanted to throw him out and the majority of the forum wouldn't listen to him. You guys
want to keep jaychant here? At least potty train the little idiot if he's going to be sticking around.

That's true, aggressive-aggressive is more of your forte.  Maybe you should ignore jaychants topics or his posts? And maybe vent in PM's?


Assuming that by "you people" you mean the members of the UQMF, doesn't that sort of imply that jaychants postings is accepted by all but a small vocal minority on the board?

EDIT: Well maybe not  a small minority, a third of the voters so far. It'll be interesting to see where this thing ends up.

To clear things up I don't really care that much if jaychant posts here or not. Most of his posts seem to involve either coding/formula questions or talk about his "Game Company". Since neither interests me very much, I usually skim those threads. I do think that your aggression is a bit unwarranted and that your recent passive-aggressive behaviour has been slightly annoying. If you really need to vent, feel free to take this to PM's, we can shout at each other all day if that makes you feel better. Every time jaychant makes a post, you feel is sub-standard shoot me a PM complaining about it and I'll do my best to be extremely anal about how you formulate yourself.

I have seen a fair number of Jaychant's posts, and quite frankly, his posting habits have improved greatly. Every post he makes is crap?! Sorry, but you're going way overboard on this.
You, on the other hand, seem to use every opportunity to flame Jaychant, and occasionally others as well. To his credit, Jaychant has evolved from flaming you back to just good-natured deflections.
He has come a long way from the old pubbie that justifiedly (IMO) got banned from the SCDB. He has matured, unlike many. Which is commendable in my opinion.

Don't get me wrong, Shiver - I think you're a valuable part of this community, with tons of good & intelligent contributions. Sometimes, however, you're an annoying, petty troll.
You tend to be like a volcano - erupting at everything you find slightly annoying, which is many things indeed. Heck, I expect to get a "what an unbelievable idiot" comment to this.
Short cliche version: Dude, chill.

Now, I understand your reasons for doing this. Jaychant does post a lot, and some of it can still be classified as drivel. However, most of it are completely ok, decent posts.
Troublemaker? Hardly. When it comes to being civilized, he's quite a ways ahead of you. Tons of useless posts? Some perhaps, but really not much.

I see you mentioned Valaggar. Heh, now there's a spammer extraordinaire... however, I believe that most people here think that, in retrospect, it was actually good to have him!
He spammed, but also contributed. And just like Jaychant, he matured and was quite "tame" in the end.

Point being - sure Jaychant has his flaws, but you exaggerate them way out of proportion.

So far only Shiver has had the balls to voice his opinion on Jaychant. Who are the other cowards who have actually gone for the "ban Jaychant" option but havent said anything? Show yourselves weaklings!

Unless your vote was just tongue-in-cheek. If it is its a dangerous game you play.

I would like to join this carebare fundamentalism sect by the way. Where do I go to do this.

P.S. I'd have Valaggar back - he'd managed to restrit himself to 3 posts per day...not too bad. Anyone remember what the final tipping point with the moderators was?

I don't particularly love Jaychant, but Shiver, man. You're like, "Filth will be cleansed". You must have your heart skip a beat whenever anyone beats the game.

I would love to argue my case here and could do a very good job doing it, but it just doesn't seem like that would be very... for lack of a better word, I'd pick either noble, right, or cool. Like if I was to argue, I would feel like a jerk, and like I was blind to the truth. I don't know, it just doesn't seem right to point out one's own good side.

Gotta respect a man for standing up for what he believes in, even if you disagree.


Seeing as I seem to be the Grand Poobah of the Carebears (in addition to leading the suicide squad) I'll be sure to put up a recruitment list soon. I'm sure you'll pass our stringent membership tests by releasing a fantastic UQM mod. ;)


Valaggar was made much worse by peoples actions towards him. He was slightly annoying, but also very misunderstood. If he is still out there somewhere, I wish him all the best. Here's to a new Utwig voice pack.


Unless the other people who want you banned choose to reveal themselves, I suggest you argue your case with Shiver in PM's. He is overreacting, but he can still have a point. Maybe the two of you can come to an agreement of sorts. If you're interested in agreeing of course.

SuddenDeath / Death999: If I did not call him out, who on this forum would? No one. Not ever.
That is the central reason why I sometimes become so ornery around this community.



Valaggar became tolerable after he was cracked down upon. What would have happened otherwise?
A lot more spam. I don't know for how long. You are right that he turned out to be a good member of the
community in the end. It's silly to think that this is universally true for all people.



Absolutely this. I'm curious to know who agrees with me. Some lurkers or what? I don't need
you to argue on my behalf, just say what you voted. An itty bitty bit of legitimacy would be nice,
and lord knows I need it in front of this crowd.

Yeah what actually did he do to get banned in the end.


You're going to need all the help you can get. You're heavily out numbered by nice people it appears

It's a bit odd though. If even half of those in favour of banning jaychant were posting, this thread might look very different. It's seems a bit assholish of them to let Shiver take all the flak.

Consider that vote count invalid until someone (maybe several people?) speak up.

Sign me up for the Carebear squad as well. While I definitely find Jay's posting style to be immature, he certainly hasn't committed any kind of grave offense or TOS violation that would warrant banning him. Were that not the case, I would totally be speaking up for the other end of this poll.

Just saying this in case you were referring to me...


I guess we could all use a heads-up when we're being annoying... if we can react to that in a mature manner, it could save some nerves. Still, what you did is a bit too much IMO.
As for Jaychant, he's already aware of what he did, and has expressed regret (and backed it up lately by noticeably changing his posting habits and especially attitude for the better). If he keeps going in this direction, I see him becoming an accepted member :)


Edit: added quote.

I voted that jaychant should be banned, but only because I wanted to tip the balance back to neutral 'cause I find this thread most entertaining. I have nothing against jay dude personally  - believe me jaychant, this small poll will have absolutely no effect whatsoever on you getting banned or not from the UQM forums - a laugh or two is all we're going to get. And just for the record - I like it when you annoy the "omnipotent" Shiver; it's quite hilarious to see to what ends is he ready to go in his posts against a 15 year old :D
 
And why was Valaggar Redux banned? I hear a lot about him on this forum (and the pages) yet I was unable to find any reason for his banning :P

The bottom line is, jaychant has done nothing to break the rules of the forum, and although his posts may be immature at times, this doesn't mean he should or can be banned for it. Shiver's poll is pretty irrelevant, and the topic of this post has switched to whether or not you hate jaychant, (or rather, whether or not you dislike Shiver) not whether he deserves to be banned from the site.

Therefore, it is not cowardly to keep your opinions about jaychant to yourself. If jaychant did something to violate the rules of the forum, then it would in a way be cowardly to let the broken rules go unpunished.

I think if anyone has a problem with jaychant, let him know exactly what it is. If it is ban-worthy, then let the rest of us know what it is. I haven't noticed anything that jaychant has done to qualify him for a banning (that is, flagrantly breaking forum rules).  This topic is a soap-opera and taking up space.

I might be completely off here, but I don't think Valaggar was banned. I'm pretty sure he deleted both his first and second account (Valaggar Redux) in frustration. This (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=4268.msg55648#msg55648) is his last post, but by then he was quite different from the happy guy he used to be.

EDIT

Yeah, I'm sure the internet will run out of space real soon ;) These things jolt some of our sleepier members awake, so I guess they are good for something.

If you care enough to vote for him in a mock ban poll, then I'd think you'd care enough to mention why. But most ban voters are probably like Son, just voting for the lulz.

Edit2: There is an insane amount of members on line. not sure if it is this thread or that I normally have better things to do on a Friday night...

Mentioning why would be irrelevant unless jaychant broke a rule. Since it isn't obvious that he has, I'd conclude that mentioning why would be irrelevant

Since he hasn't broken a rule then it's pretty irrelevant to vote in the poll as well. If you're gonna do one irrelevant thing ,you might as well do the other. Unless one is safely anonymous and the other requires you to actually stand for your opinion. I think it's cowardly to freely voice your irrelevant opinion anonymously but not voice your irrelevant opinion publicly. But that's what the net is for, letting people say things they'd never dare say in real life. Besides, do you know why they voted as they did? Since it isn't obvious that he has broken a rule, maybe they think that he implicitly broke one? In which case they're obligated to tell us which and how.

I don't think two wrongs make a right. And if someone voiced their opinion without proper reason, then this would become the "I hate jaychant" fanclub, then who's being immature?

You're right, the poll should have never been created. And if someone does think he implicitly broke a rule then by all means tell us. That's my whole point.

I don't see why are you people taking this thread all so seriously. For the time I spent on the UQM forums Shiver-Jaychant conversation was (and is) nothing more than a small running gag, interesting only to the participants and a few by-readers ghosting around. Nothing more than that :P Maybe we ought to make a new poll titled "Who wants to see more of Shiver Jaychant comedy-theater?" That would at least give us some insight in the number of people that actually "care" for what the said two are saying to one another.

Actually the most fun comedy theatre was Sedodes vs Jaychant over at SCDB. Unfortunaly that stopped when the moderators over there banned Jaychant. Which, by the way, is why people are taking this so seriously over here - because people do get banned if the mob gets too excited.

That's unfortunate that the forum works that way. Unless someone is maliciously spamming, there's no reason to instill a ban.

Actually, he just about deserved it there. He made threatening noises about hacking into the forum or somesuch. Coudn't tell whether he was being serious or not as we didnt know him well enough at the time. Evidently he wasn't

My favourite was Valaggar vs Jaychant over at SCDB. I'd link it but it was deleted for some reason :(

See you in a few hundred years (unless helping someone else to release a fantastic mod counts).

*goes back to sleep*

Aw, boooo!

What can I say? Rules is rulez, unless I can be an honourary carebear!

As long as UQM-irrelevant posts stay in the Cafe section, which they do, no problems. Voted against.

I've got a nice surprise for you all, but it's not appearing until this drama bomb thread sinks. hint hint.

Shiver- is this blackmailing?

Contrary to common belief, trolling requires minimal intelligence to pull off. hint hint.

(or did I get it completely wrong?)

No, this is not a fucking joke. I can play the finished Balance Mod (surprise spoiled) with whoever I want to in #uqm-arena while you guys flail about in here for weeks if necessary. It's not being released anywhere near this thread because I don't want spillover from here to there.

What, I did get it completely wrong? Whoopsie daisy! :o Sorry about that.


... unless that post is a joke too. I just can't trust you anymore! :'(

I'm closing down this poll. I think it is detrimental to this forum. I remark that there was a similar poll about Valaggar once upon a time which wasn't closed down, but unless I'm terribly mistaken, that one was created by Valaggar himself.

While I do notice some similarity between Valaggar and Jaychant, let's put this into perspective. As far as I can see, the only gripe with Jaychant  is that, like Valaggar, he occasionally makes embarrassing postings. Compare this with Valaggar, whose verbal diarrhea placed him in the top of all-time posters in a matter of weeks, who hated the VUX speech so much that he shouted "Down with Greg Johnson" in the chat with TFB, who posted under my (real life) name on the SCDB, and who impersonated another forum member in a faked email asking to be banned (and that's just from the top of my head).

That said, Valaggar has grown up since then.

He was also never banned (though he was once suspended from the forum for a week).