The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

So - in a SC homebrew pen&paper game I'm running (GM), we had some real nice adventuring and after some cliffhangers and mortal dangers two players fell in love IC /\_/\

That's all cool with me...except that one of them is a female Arilou "galaxy watcher" and the other is a male Androsynth Stylish Trooper ;D

That raised quite an interesting question: what sorts of hybrids would be possible in SC universe (taking into account that most of the races are sexually compatible)? We already know from the canon that there are off shots of certain races (Pkunk<>Yehat, Androsynth<>Human) and that the Chmmr are the first true half-breeds with possibility of Earthling-Syreen offspring in aftergame (Zelnick=Talana). But what about the other races (friendly or otherwise)?

We envisioned some interesting possibilities: the slave-children of the Druuge and the exchanged Human crew members, VUX shocktroopers (the stray ones of course) and the Syreen prisoners/Shofixti "maidens", the Melnorme who are always curious about bio-data as well as the Umgah transgenetists could make for some really strange "descendants". Me and my players conceived some even more weird combos: Zoq-Fot-Pik "three-breeds", half-Utwigs (they really have a reason for wearing masks ;D ), Ilwrath "fleshenstain" creations (it's alive! ALIVE!!!), various Shofixti-Humans (allusion to Inkal comics) etc. to name a few :o

So people, lols or not, what say you? To what degree such crossbreeds would be possible and what abominations would spawn such course of actions? Anything more about it in game lore? And of course, any artistic attempt concerning half-breeds is welcomed here ;)

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One thing is certain -- the Androsynth are sterile so your two lovebirds can't have children unless they adopt them. Or clone them.

Also, female Arilou sounds more sexy to me than female Syreen, for whatever reason.

Have some paragraphs.

Anyways, if it is possible to crossbreed different aliens, Zex would've done it. At the very least, there are gonna be a bunch of half VUX aliens out there...

Also, If humans are any indication to how varied an alien species can be in their sexuality, then I think all crossbreeding combinations have been tried many times over. There's probably an Orz humping a Taalo as we speak.

The Borg (Startrek) are Human-Mmrnmhrm mix .
Chenjesu-Supox could be effective  hybrid .
As said before , Umgah could possibly incorporate whichever genes .
Human-Syreen-Androsynth-Arilou invitro mixes .
Zoq-Fot-Pik probaby can't interbreed , as they would become one singular species over the years otherwise .
Mycon and Slylandro are two races I can't imagine mix with anything .
BSS - definately Spathi-Shofixti :)
The Ur-Quan races would probably not want any halfbreeds ...

Don't make too much assumptions. There is no reason for all species to have males and females. There could be no genders or more than two genders.

And let's not forget: The fact that Syreen and Humans can have children across species is a very special thing in the SC universe. Like Talana said: Humans and Syreen are too much alike for it to be coincidence.

Well , Spathi have genders .
Slylandro have genders .
Shofixti have .
Syreen and Human do as well .
I suspect Supox , Mycon , Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm do not have genders .
Not sure about Androsynth , were they only male clones or of both sexes .
In the Vux dialogue about punishment use of human photo , he calls himself "father" , rather than parent .
Orz is one being , so it's unisex .
Utwig call the high priest "she" .
Pkunk and Yehat lay eggs and have queen , probably have genders .
Druuge in the fuel scam has a wife (or was it spouse ?)
No info about the rest of the races or i just forgot :)

The reason is because you're a weirdo


If a chimp can't mate with an orangutan, then there is no chance that two species from different star systems can mate with each other. EXCEPT, as mentioned above, Syreen and Earthling. But there will be some kind of interesting reason for that.

I think perhaps Ur-Quan and Kohr-Ah have two genders too

The Ur-Quan apparently are gendered - The Kohr-Ah are led by a Primat, referred to as "her", while the Talking Pet in the apocryphal end-game dialogue refers to its lord as "he".

I'm not saying that all races are bound to have sexes in the way we Humans do, on the contrary. I never really liked the Star Trek idea of universe where all aliens were humanoid and more-less the same with a few facial anomalies here and there and odd tans. I believe that if we think how different life on Earth is from ecosystem to ecosystem and from one era to another it'll be 10 or 100 (more?) times more different on other planets. Some scientists (Carl Sagan for one) even say that if we could recreate the primordial Earth and could wait for 4.5 billion yrs the evolution would probably make different choices again and unleash a completely different set of creatures on our world (not just in the pivotal moments for the life on Earth but all the way from the ground up). And I really like that idea of universal cosmical diversity with Earth being just "one voice in the cosmic fugue". But SC is made by humans. And all genders known to man are male, female, androgynous and sexless (not a gender, but absence of one) with variations on the subjects of fertility/sterility, sex preference and gestation. But basically its TWO genders at all times (unless they are extremely exotic in compare to Humans like Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm). So until we meet an alien race and get to know their biology better, Orz will be humping Taalo  ::) And also because its fun and interesting to think about the outcomes ;D  8)

@Alvarin: if I recall correctly it was a spouse, not a wife.

If you look at crossbreeds from logical/phisical point of view , so yes , it's what I think as well . In one tv show about alien abductions for purpouse of creating halfbreeds for controlling the earth , one of the scientists said "It is more likely for human to mate with a petunia than with an ET , because we at least developed on the same planet" .
But , this being a sci-fi thing , Orz WILL be humping Taalo .
For the Druuge , I've read the game guide , it referres to them as having males and females .

I'd go for an enigmatic trickster babe over a blue-skinned bimbo for sure!

Well, they were when they left Earth at any rate. If the adventure takes place long after that, they might have found ways to augment themselves. They are pretty bright after all. Question is, would they want to?

As for the other races, I really don't see it. Maybe the Shofixti who are crazy fertile can incorporate foreign DNA (if it is even slightly similar), but the others?

Mycon are definitely asexual, but at one point the offer to implant a spore sack in the captain's brain. Would this count as a hybrid? Presumably, a human with Mycon DNA swimming around in its head would behave quite a bit differently then other humans.

I think it's fair to say if the Mycon can do this with humans, they can also probably do it with other similar species (Syreen, Shofixti, etc).

IMHO don't believe that one could count because I always thought that such an implant would spread across the Captains body and after some time resulted in a complete mutation from *insert whatever species you like* -> Mycon; that would be somewhat similar to the original Fallout Super-Mutant creation process with dipping and vats and all. So it's not half-breeding (or even interbreeding) but a forced mutation process.

You say tomay-to and the Mycon say toma-to I guess ;)

Or pota-to for that matter ;D

And I would normally agree! Except I dont think you can describe an Arilou as a babe. It is an alien. And if you think aliens are sexy then you are weird. It can be reasonably argued that Syreens are not aliens.

What's wrong with sexy alien space amazon babes? Alien space babes = exotic, exotic = sexy -> Alien space babes = sexy ;D especially if they are from Orion. Man, those babes are like the best females in quadrant 8)  ;)

Introducing - Spathixti :
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/spathixti.jpg)

Nice art there Alvarin, just keep'em coming people! ;) Here's my crappy trash art attempt with unofficial SC half-breeds:

From within the depths of the most secretive Umagh labs comes the latest creation of their perverted minds, a fine addition to their countless Genetic Legions - creature so fearsome that even the mighty Yehat or the dreaded VUX would think twice before attacking (maybe the ugliness plays a larger role here, but then again, Umagh never were so much into beauty as in tentacles). A creature that is not a green slug tentacle creep nor a strange bird-bee warrior...yet stronger then both.

The Umagh War Labs are proud to present the:

VUHAT

(http://i43.tinypic.com/5juyp1.jpg)

Yup it's a female. And she's a bit shy...but only because she's exposed to human looks. Not that she minds them, she could slice your ass in a split second if you would try something ;D

So as you can see people, nothing is impossible. Let loose your artistic skills no one will judge you here, it's all for the lols ;D

That's one creature I definately  wouldn't want to mess with ...

Here's a concept  challange - Slylandro/Taalo mix :)

I accept the challenge and give one in return - Burvixese-Yuptar offspring ;) ;D Or if that's too hard try with Supox-Druuge combo. I'll get on more Orz-Taalo humping tomorrow, I'm a bit tired right now for all that extraterrestrial interbreeding :P

Introducing - Druupox
Now , wouldn't you be HAPPY  to buy something from him ?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/Druupox.jpg)

Brilliant pictures guys!

I love the tux. While I think the whole hybrid concept is implausible at best, silly at worst, I can't help but thinking the tux makes that one great. ;D

Indeed I would ;D I like this one more than the 1st one, just keep them coming Alvarin I like your style. More Orz-Taalo humping from me later this week as soon as I get more spare time :P And you people, other people, keep it up too! Yes I'm talking to YOU! Don't get lazy on me here, entire species are at stake! ;D

@Draxxas: Tux? What tux. No tux here just some other space freaks wandering through. So far we had Spathixi and Druupox (Alvarin TM) and a Vuhat girl (le moi). But no tux :P Are you referring to a possible Taalo-VUX mix maybe (Is that a challange I hear? :D)? Or you were thinking on the VUHAT and just named them differently? Hmmmm *gets back to his sketchbook confused*

That was a slang term  for the business suit worn by the creature .

As in tuxedo

Oh, right, like in that Jackie Chan movie ::) tnx for the clarification there guyz, it slipped my mind.

I'm pretty sure the orz are not humping the taalo they are *germinating* and *playing spicy games* or *spreading the many bubbles* ;)

I give you... Tux:

>>> Image removed by JDA because I was actually "leeching" the site it came from. Please see the two next posts. Thank you. <<<

... 't is the Linux mascot !  ;)


Regarding the Mycon throwing spores into the Captain's head... that doesn't seem like cross-breeding at all!... Not even like it would result in a mutant!

Rather the Mycon spores would be a parasite to the Human host. It could be something "common" as a flu or as brutal as in the film Alien - The Eight Passenger...

But bear in mind: Mycons are fungii (like mushrooms). Fungii usually dwell better in hot (Mycons love hot= and humid (erm... unlike the Mycons...?) envrionments. And well... you can get fungii "infections" in the palm of your feet, specially in
shower-rooms (when your feet are naked, and in a hot and humid environment, where several people come by). These infections inflict damage to your skin and are called Mycosis ...  :D


In general, regarding this issue, I agree it is very difficult here on Earth for two different species to inter-breed.
And when it does happen (e.g. horse + donkey = mule), you usually get an infertile half-breed; hence, a variant, NOT species. Still, not a new species it might be, it would still be a half-breed, yes. Plus, you never know before two species adctually try to mate...  ;D

But by the knowledge we have on Earth "standard", it is amazingly unlikely, specially with complex beings such as with those present in this game (more than with unicelular ones).

On the other hand... thought almost impossible for two Ur-Quan Masters' species to naturally interbreed, technology might do it! We have done it here right on Earth already! Think transgenic.  ;)


About sketching... aah!... I'l leave it to the masters!...  ;D
Great ones already, BTW! Keep it up!  8)

Heh, CrystalXP doesn't like you.

And they're actually darn right NOT liking me! I did leech their bandwidth or something...

So, if you want to see Tux, the Linux penguin, do pay them a visit:
http://www.crystalxp.net/

Now, I did look around and, CrystalXP being a place for customising your Linux GUI, custom Tuxes would be expected... So you may not actually find the original, common Tux...

Still, CrystalXP has some really nice Tuxes and.. some rather odd too! lol

If you do want to see the original, just google for images with "Tux" on the name. You'll get there.  ;)

Sorry for the annoyance, everyone. I guess I'll edit my prior post now and remove the image.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/ilwrath-shofixti-c.png)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/i-s-c-2.png)

I don't really like this one , but since noone is posting here it is .
Can't do it just the way I think it should look like , not enough skill ... But you get the idea .

I actually like it - the concept is rather cool by itself.
Like the second one best, though the first one having fur on the legs is pretty cool too.  ;)

How about multiple cross-breeds? I challenge you to draw this: an Ur-Quan and a Umgah breed, to form an Umquan, which breeds with a half-Supox, half-Spathi. This forms an Umpox-Spathquan. Disgusting.

Oh look , it's got his mother's eye and his father's charming smile -

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/challenge.jpg)

Someone made a pen & paper version of Star Control?

GIMME!

Hmm , just a thought - a cross between Slylandro , Umgah and a Spathi should really look like the Flying Spaghetti Monster

How about crossing an Orz and a Mycon to my a Mycorz?  We already got to see the beginning of the Syruman...  How about an Androquan, or maybe a Shofiquan? (Alright the latter was kinda wrong, it'd be like some kind of tarantula.  Besides, the Ur-Quan aren't even humanoid)

In one of the earlier TW ideas for a visit to an alternate reality (that was half a joke from the start) a Shmmr was suggested.

I always liked that idea though. What if the Mrn chose to merge with the Shofixti? :)
Shmmr!

In one of the threads Arne posted something that would give good Spathi/Mmrnmhrm mix .

It's the Ur-Quan Hamsters !!
They did say originals were brown ...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/UQM/urham.jpg)

a Taamgah.

Wow, that's excellent Alvarin!

Seconded. That's officially my favorite post of summer 2009.

Thank you both, I'm flattered

I've made another one .
Eventually I plan on hamsterizing most of the races , But it will take LOOOONG time

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/UQM/vuxham.jpg)

This is going to be FUN. :)

Im thrilled to see what you do for the Umgah.

I haven't thought about Umgah yet . Right now I'm trying to make  a Spathi .

For  the Vux I'm still not happy with the way it looks ... I have another version , with better colour , but it just doesn't look right ... Any graphical advise would be greatly appreciated .

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/UQM/vuxham2.jpg)

I think the tongue should probably be more pink than red, and something about the pupil just looks off.

Yup.

I like the light green one better, the dark green one seems to have too heavy a colour, loosing fur detail.

Hey Alvarin, what happened to the UQM hamsterization project? You were of to a great start and I was really hoping to see how you would do a arilou hamster...that one would've been a blast :)

I haven'th though of Arilow yet . I'm REALLY stuck on Spathi and am making attempts on the Utwig (original picture is the hamster stuffing his cheek with a carrot - the ultron WILL be safe :) )

If you get a few more of these done, I promise to make a news post  on PNF and send your hamsters into the hearts of untold millions¹ of SC fans.

¹Untold millions not guaranteed.

The second hamster has been deleted...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/UQM/vuxham.jpg)

I like the first version better, this one is just way to pale for my taste :p

That's the reason I removed it in the first place .
Still can't do anything half-descent in the hamsters ...

I agree with Antares... however I actually thought it had been something completely different. An edit to your post explaining why it had been deleted would have helped. :)

Just stumbled across a neat photo, couldn't get past it but had no time to do it properly...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Alvarin/UQM/melnorme.jpg)

Why did its bridge turn pink?

That one, I can answer. They've found that this particular shade of pink activates a bug in certain races' scanner interpretation software that makes it invisible.

So did a Melnorme jump a hamster, or a hamster a Melnorme?