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I might be misinterpreting you, but you don't seem to have much of an idea what sadomasochism actually is. I'm not really sure on this, I think there might exist a disorder that makes you like inflicting pain/humiliation on other persons in a non-sexual context, but I don't know much about that and don't think you want us to talk about that (it's not like it's the only disorder that makes you harm others). No one would associate a disorder with being evil, anyway.

As for the more-often-encountered form of sadomasochism, the sexual form (which requires having your appetite roused by the person you're doing it with), which is the one you're probably talking about, well that's not evil. Masochism is just another way of having fun without hurting anyone, and sadists don't really feel good inflicting their sadism on non-masochistic individuals (who don't emit certain pheromones that signal their masochism).

EDIT: Of course, even sexual sadists might hurt someone if their limits are high enough. Normally they'd be able to stop themselves, but then they might not resist the temptation. That, and if you're really, really sexually frustrated you can actually enter a "sadistic trance" if your sadistic appetite is roused by a situation. Like that time when I brought a knife to school (intending only to scare one of the teachers with it -- of course I shouldn't have brought the knife, but it was an immaturity thing due to my social anxiety, I actually thought she'd forgive me if I just waved the knife a little while sitting at my desk, and then put it back in my bag, and she might actually have forgiven me for that, the way I know her, if I had done only that). One of the girls I like was sitting behind me, and I couldn't manage to stop dominating her (I actually even cut her with the knife and enjoyed it, though that turned out to be above her limits). I attempted to start dominating other girls in the class as well (only those I liked though), but stopped at once doing it to those that didn't enjoy it (yeah, the one sitting behind me was masochistic too, and it was only then that she found out). I even dominated a girl I didn't physically like, but who roused me because she was masochistic too (well she was an alternating switch, but she was in a masochistic mood at the time).

There is such a thing as a masochistic trance as well, and it's more similar to being hypnotized. I underwent that as well, being a switch myself -- I was in such a submissive state that I even almost threw myself out through the window when I misinterpreted a command I received (I mean I misinterpreted it to mean "throw yourself through the window"). But I digress.

Personally I don't think it's evil at all (actually, I would say I'm a masochist, so how could I?), I just was curious as to the general public thoughts of the practice (it's not really a practice (the practice is BDSM), but I can't think of a better word).

Man, you really need to have things spelled out to you at times, don't you :)

I've been at the hospital. I had a neuro-psychiatric disorder involving a chemical imbalance between something called "chemical mediators" or some such, and I had an acute psychotic episode due to this (the disorder was making me very susceptible to suggestions from other people, and even from myself). Combined with Asperger (the lack of social cognition implied by Asperger, with which I've also been recently diagnosed), I think this was the cause for which I was so antisocial on the forums a while ago (people were saying I'm an obnoxious poster, so I actually started acting like one).

Unfortunately, one of the false ideas caused by the chemical imbalance I was talking about earlier is that I'm interested in posting on the SCDB or on the UQMF, so you won't hear anymore from me. Sorry.

P.S. Regarding the sadomasochism thread, the information I gave in that post (the things about the sadistic trance and such) was also false and caused by this chemical imbalance.

Fare thee well,
[NAME OBSCURED TO MORTALS].

Confused? I'm Valaggar! That's what I meant when I wrote about how antisocial I was on these forums some time ago. Farewell to all of you now... I eagerly expect TFB's new game, and a sequel to Star Control, but I don't think I want to post here anymore.

Oh, and let me cross out the false things in my former post in this thread. I'll keep the true things though.

And Luki was right from the beginning, as always  8)

So the poll is about the sexual habit, or the mental disorder that get people hurt badly against their will?

Because I'm find with badly hurting people against their will, but I'm against consensual sexual activities that are not the most basic form of intercourse and are aimed for procreation.





And for those who don't get it when I'm joking (there are always a few of those around) - I'm fine with people doing whatever they want with eachother as long as both parties want it and no one ends in the hospital.
I'm against harming people against their will. Or even harming people when they do want it (and I mean injury causing, not some hot candle wax games that they enjoy).

So right now I still don't know how to vote. Need clarification,

The poll's first option says "sadistic people" which was a bit confusing.
Anyway I voted now (second option).

As for what you said. I think people sometimes confuse fantasies (sexual and other) with what people really want to HAPPEN.

For example, fantasizing about something horrible happening to someone you hate does NOT mean you really want it to happen to him.
Same goes to all types of fantasies, including the sexual ones.
Same in the case of BDSM, I assume (and I should mention that everything I say here is IMO and I'm no expert). One fantasises about raping or abusing, the other fantasises about being in the reciving ends. It does not mean that they want it to happen for real.

P.S - no time for spell checking, sorry if it shows...

You have the right idea. BDSM is a complex acronym that stands for: BD (Bondage & Discipline) DS (Dominance & Submission) and SM (Sadism & Masochism).

I'm confused, why is sadism and masochism even tied to sexual "disorders".

I'm probably thinking of something different...

Is sadism the thing when someone gets a great deal of satisfaction seeing someone else in misery?

Sadism: When someone gains sexual or non-sexual satisfaction from inflicting pain or humiliation on others, or otherwise dominating others.
Masochism: When someone gains sexual or non-sexual satisfaction from the infliction of pain or humiliation on oneself, or otherwise being dominated.