The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

Despite the horrible things that the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za have done to people all across the globe, NEMT pointed out that almost ALL the races enslaved by the Ur-Quan were very happy with their status.  The Yehat, Ilwrath, and VUX were fighting all they wanted.  The Syreen are blissfully happy on their new planet.  The Mycon are hard to tell, although it seems they had plans to overthrow the Ur-Quan later.  The Androsynth and Shofixti are pretty much gone, so there's no knowing their opinion on the idea, and the Thraddash are very pleased to be battle thralls, despite their lack of action.

Seems like only the humans and the Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm were upset about being enslaved.

The Yehat were upset at least about the manner of their defeat...
I doubt that the Crimson Corporation, the Utwig, the Supox, or the frungy-loving Zoq-Fot-Pik would enjoy the Ur-Quan dominion.

Incidentally, I was expecting to see a lot of slave shields in this game and was sorely disappointed. (I mean, races conquered around the time of the Thraddash and slaved ever since)
This could have something to do with it - those we get to meet are those who chose the battle thrall option - races that like to fight would be selected for remaining visible.

What about the Humans ?  I know that they were'nt thrilled about it.

The Umgah weren't too happy either. They couldn't make all the jokes they wanted to because of the slave laws.

On the other hand there's the Arilou, who thought the slave shield over Earth was one of the best things that had ever happened to humans.

That's pretty much what I said.
But I do find it odd that there aren't more slave shields up along the northern border of the star map...

I mentioned the humans, although you're right about the Umgah.  I had forgotten about them.

And there's also the Spathi, who WOULD have been perfectly happy being slaves, were it not for the fact that they were tricked into fighting.

Well, you are assuming a LOT of parallel sentience development in this part of the galaxy. After all, we've got, what, 20+ native races scattered over 500 stars? That's an awful lot of sentient races evolving at approximately the same time. Any more than that really starts to shake my suspension of disbelief.

But look at the distribution. It's all bunched up where neither ur-quan race has been. Now, I get that the Kohr-ah came through with their FRIEDS and wiped species out - but in the northern wake of the Ur-quan I'd expect a density of races ~= that down in the southwest quadrant.

Except the Spathi aren't HAPPY.  They'd rather be Battle Thralls then dead, but they all mourn the day the Umgah gave the Ur-Quan the wrong stick.

Aside from the Spathi, and the Yehat who as a whole are not happy with thrall status, all the races who are battle thralls CHOSE to be that way!  Of course they'd be happy with the choice, or they wouldn't have made it!

EDIT: dude, this is my Eleventy-First post!

I think you neglected that the zoq-fot-pik count for 4 races (don't forget the zebranky) also, did you remember the Burvix?

I'm not saying that the incidence of sentient life is low... I'm just saying that the distribution is very uneven.

He's right.  The Burvixese and the Gg.  And possibly the Keel-Verezy, although God knows where they're from.

Also, the Slylandro should be discounted as being older than the other races.

Are you sure the Ur-Quan and Melnorme aren't native?

(1) The Sa-Matra is here, and has been here, which leads me to believe that this was the origin point of the doctrinal war, or was at least very close to it.

(2) The Taalo home star is in this area, which says to me that the original area controlled by the Sentient Milieu was here, or at least very close to it. And if that is the case, the Melnorme should be native to somewhere close to here as well.

At least, that's how I've always felt it to be.

Says the Melnorme. The rest of the Milieu, including the Ur-Quan, were from other parts of the galaxy.

Wasn't the first Doctrinal War started over the homeworld of the Mael num, then ended when the Kzer-Za found and used the Sa-Matra?

Indeed.  Does the game say that you find the *SPOILER ALERT* Taalo mind shield on the Taalo homeworld?  It could have gotten there through any number of ways.  Perhaps the Orz even stole it.

The Melnorme continues:



This is where you find the Taalo shield, so it's definitely their homeworld.

That's the Melnorme, not the Orz.  Besides, it's almost impossible to tell whether the Orz are lying, because you can't understand what they're saying in the first place.

I know it was sarcasm, it just doesn't apply here.

Besides, I don't think either the Melnorme or the Orz ever DO lie.

Actually, there are very few liars in SC2.  I'm sure the Spathi lie occasionally, the Orz and the Arilou are impossible to tell, the Ur-Quan and Kohr-Ah consider lying to be beneath them, and most of the others have no reason to.  Even the Druuge are remarkably straight forward in their dealings with you--the descriptions of the useless precursor artifacts don't contain any actual outright LIES, do they?

The Trident or whatever it was... A friend of mine gave 100 crew for that piece of malconceived syreen 'ceremonial weaponry'... ::sigh::

Yeah, but they never say "This is a Precursor artifact with godly powers."  They say something like, "What mysterious power will you hold in your hands when YOU have this holy artifact?  Buy it and find out!"

Yes, that's all fine and good ... but let's not forget what happens if you DON'T take action.  Battle Thralls or Fallow Slaves ... the Kohr-Ah doesn't care.  Let's face it, you're doing all sentience a favor.  (Especially with the handling of the Dill-rats/Fat Obstreperous Jerks solution.)

-PsiPhi

But i`d like to know who the other sentient milieu races wer who once dwelt here?
Apparentlz, the Taalo were the only ones from this region, who were well known throughout all sentient mileu space. The others were not that well known, but anyway, who and where were they? Were the Keel-Verezy one of them and developed in the time until now their invisibility device, because they feared that the Ur-Quan might return after the slave revolt and the beginning destruction/enslavement of the other sentient mileu races? Have they given their hiding technology to other races from that time?

Oh, I'm not suggesting that what the captain did was the wrong decision.  But it's interesting to imagine it that way after you've been thinking of the Ur-Quan as the enemy for so long...