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Title: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC series
Post by: a_stupid_box on November 19, 2002, 07:10:46 pm
ASIDE from SC3 itself, I have to say the name of the Ilwrath ship.  Avenger?  Come on, shouldn't it be something like "Torturer" or "Armageddon"?

They're an admittedly evil race of religious zealots, who worship pain, torture, and... well... evil.  Avenger sounds like it should've been used as a new design from one of the old league races.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC series
Post by: Exceed on November 19, 2002, 10:08:46 pm
Umgah Drones, i guess. The Umgah specialize in bio-technology, but  they don't really apply such technology in a Drone.. afterall, its just machinery (from what we see).

Not a very good fighting machine, anyways, but still a machine nonetheless.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC series
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 04, 2003, 12:11:23 am
I'd have to say it's the fact that the Kohr-Ah and Kzer-Za managed to discover so many races all over the quadrant and destroy/enslave all of them, and yet they totally missed the Zot-Foq-Pik which have been sitting in their backyard for the last twenty years.

Then again, they might've dismissed them as non-sentinent life forms, which also explains why there's actual life forms still left on Arcturus and its moon.

Though that's another point of argument I have. I don't imagine it's particularly easy to shift out sentient and non-sentinent life from each other when you're conducting orbital bombardment. Why *did* the Kohr-ah leave so many planets with life on them? It's not like a clever race couldn't find a way to camoflauge themselves amongst the other life forms on the planet. Not to mention it might be a pain to have to return when said life forms reach sentience.

Then again, I suppose Kohr-Ah live to cleanse. Leaving non-sentient life alive is a way of ensuring that they have something left to do in several million years, I suppose.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC series
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 04, 2003, 12:17:23 am
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Umgah Drones, i guess. The Umgah specialize in bio-technology, but  they don't really apply such technology in a Drone.. afterall, its just machinery (from what we see).

Not a very good fighting machine, anyways, but still a machine nonetheless.


Well, they do *shudder* plaster the insides with living tissue. Though I admit, a ship with biological capabilities would be rather interesting. I could imagine some sort of biological equivalent to VUX limpets, Mycon regeneration, or Chenjesu DOGIs... (though the last are mechanical and not biological--they still give off disturbing screams upon obliteration).


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 06, 2003, 05:01:36 pm
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Though that's another point of argument I have. I don't imagine it's particularly easy to shift out sentient and non-sentinent life from each other when you're conducting orbital bombardment. Why *did* the Kohr-ah leave so many planets with life on them? It's not like a clever race couldn't find a way to camoflauge themselves amongst the other life forms on the planet. Not to mention it might be a pain to have to return when said life forms reach sentience.

Then again, I suppose Kohr-Ah live to cleanse. Leaving non-sentient life alive is a way of ensuring that they have something left to do in several million years, I suppose.


You mean they're leaving themselves something to do for the next time they come around? now that is a scary thought. It'd also make them more twisted than before, I mean they'd be making sure that their campaign of darkness and destruction NEVER ended... A race spendfing an eternity conducting genocide. That is a horrible thought. "There is no rest, only the cleansing" The poor things.

it would be intersting to know how the Kohr-Ah define sentience though. maybe something like "All tool using creatures", adapted to creatures who don't use tools somehow...

YAY!!! I'M ENLIGHTENED! Now I can truly feel smug.



Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on April 07, 2003, 02:04:23 am
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it would be intersting to know how the Kohr-Ah define sentience though. maybe something like "All tool using creatures", adapted to creatures who don't use tools somehow...


Maybe, but then the Zebranky would have to be sentient, and didn't the Zoq-Fots say they weren't? They used primative tools to hunt down the Zoqs-Fot-Piks a while ago, I heard somewhere it was the same time as the 1st docturnal war. they should have been killed or enslaved if they were sentient.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 07, 2003, 02:09:41 am
Well, only they were on the other side of the galaxy during the Doctrinal war. Also, while the ZFP may not have considered them sentient, or didn't want to since that would mean they committed genocide, they still might have been.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: meep-eep on April 07, 2003, 03:41:10 am
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You mean they're leaving themselves something to do for the next time they come around? now that is a scary thought. It'd also make them more twisted than before, I mean they'd be making sure that their campaign of darkness and destruction NEVER ended... A race spendfing an eternity conducting genocide. That is a horrible thought. "There is no rest, only the cleansing" The poor things.

it would be intersting to know how the Kohr-Ah define sentience though. maybe something like "All tool using creatures", adapted to creatures who don't use tools somehow...

You know this is beginning to sound a whole lot like SC3 now.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Death 999 on April 07, 2003, 06:46:26 am
But they don't EAT sentience, they just don't trust it.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 08, 2003, 09:00:55 pm
It's not a dietary thing for the Kohr-Ah, no. And while those-who-belong-to-a-game-that-should-not-be-mentioned ONLY eat sentient life, or feast, or whatever, I'd guess that the Kohr-Ah probably kills anything that looks remotely bright, just to be on the safe side. Really primitive lifeforms might be safe, but I'd guess that anything that resembles inteligence, or looks like it might become intelligent will probably end up getting hit by a huge spinning shuriken.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Culture20 on April 09, 2003, 06:11:36 am
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Maybe, but then the Zebranky would have to be sentient, and didn't the Zoq-Fots say they weren't? They used primative tools to hunt down the Zoqs-Fot-Piks a while ago, I heard somewhere it was the same time as the 1st docturnal war. they should have been killed or enslaved if they were sentient.


In our ancient past, four species evolved intelligence on our homeworld. Simultaneously.  They were the Zoq the Fot the Pik and the Zebranky.
-Zoq, Fot, or maybe Pik

No mention of timescale, and I think they didn't have tools until after the Firey Wheel incident.  The ZFP are fairly unapologetic about their ancestor's genocide, like we homo sapiens sapiens are about our ancestor's possible genocide of related hominids.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Death 999 on April 09, 2003, 06:43:33 am
Well, even if we/they feel bad that it HAPPENED, it's a little late to feel sorry FOR it, if you get the distinction.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 10, 2003, 12:32:42 am
I *do* feel sorry and bad for the Neanderthals, though.
Even considering that the former is present tense and the latter is past tense.

*sighs and puts away them darned Jean M. Auel books*


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 10, 2003, 01:52:23 am
Yeah, they always made you feel kind of bad about the clan, didn't they...

I always found then Mycon a bit weird as well. I mean, these are people who can barely say one coherent sentence without losing themselves, a race that infrequently recalls programming instructions. in other words, they're a conplete mess. So how come they can make quick decisions in the heat of battle without consulting their ancestral memories?

(Yes i know, there are tons of not so good, good and awesome explanations for this one, but it's one of the things that I found really weird when I started playing the game. How the hell, I said to myself, did these fellas ever manage a gravity whip? they are insane! Perhaps, but insane like a fox...)


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 10, 2003, 02:28:56 am
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Yeah, they always made you feel kind of bad about the clan, didn't they...

I always found then Mycon a bit weird as well. I mean, these are people who can barely say one coherent sentence without losing themselves, a race that infrequently recalls programming instructions. in other words, they're a conplete mess. So how come they can make quick decisions in the heat of battle without consulting their ancestral memories?

(Yes i know, there are tons of not so good, good and awesome explanations for this one, but it's one of the things that I found really weird when I started playing the game. How the hell, I said to myself, did these fellas ever manage a gravity whip? they are insane! Perhaps, but insane like a fox...)


Oh yes. I refuse to read those books on the basis that they depress me far too much.

I imagine that once Juffo-Wup floods their bodies, their insanity turns into a benefit. You have to be pretty damn insane to take what's basically the equivalent of a canteloupe into a potentially deadly orbit around a planet.

Sometimes they ARE a complete mess even in combat though, running into their own plasmoids like Talana put it.

Crazy like a fox! Give back our lemon tree!


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 10, 2003, 02:55:31 am
True, although the last one wasn't very good... All this wait for that? Come on!

I dunno if insane is the word I'd use. They just don't seem  to have any sense of dientity, so I suppose it deosn't really matter if they die or not. Their emories will live on.... I just find it amazing that they manage to do anything at all...

Also, I was wondering about the ZFP. Nowadays they seem to float around on some sort of platforms, sure. But how the hell did they move before that? They look very stationary to me... Again, lots of good answers to this, but it made me wonder the first time....


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 10, 2003, 04:02:39 am
The Pik looks like some sort of overgrown parasitic tapeworm. I'm sure he'd manage. The Fot probably has a ton of little feets underneath him in the manner of a pillbug. I worry for the Zoq, though. She seems plant-like, as I've said. Maybe assisted movement was one of the benefits the Zoq got out of the alliance with the Fot and Pik, in return for blasting unsuspecting Zebrankys with spores.

.....I suspect the Zebrankys were all peace loving intellectuals, and the Zoq-Fot-Pik just rewrote history to justify their reasons for genociding the Zebranky!


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 12, 2003, 03:12:46 am
Or maybe.... they ate them!! They hunted the poor things to extinction! Oh dear oh dear oh dear...

Here's another spur of the moment inconsistency: Howe about thta Melnorme Funrom on the moonbase? The melnorme tell you

"Though we Melnorme have just recently arrived in this region of space we have long desired to make contact with your species
and look forward to an extended profitable relationship."

So how did the Spathi get that Funrom? Ok, partially it depends o nthe Melnorme definition of recently, but how'd they pay for it? i can't imagine Spathi trying to catch anything, and there's no rainbow worlds in their sphere (I think, besides, the Melnorme know of none of the rainbow worlds in this quadrant). and the Ilwrath are more likely to maim smething living than eat it...


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Shiver on April 12, 2003, 06:47:43 am
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So how did the Spathi get that Funrom? Ok, partially it depends o nthe Melnorme definition of recently, but how'd they pay for it? i can't imagine Spathi trying to catch anything, and there's no rainbow worlds in their sphere (I think, besides, the Melnorme know of none of the rainbow worlds in this quadrant). and the Ilwrath are more likely to maim smething living than eat it...

The deal the Melnorme worked out with Zelnick is a unique one. They knew his mission would make him do an awful lot of exploration and the landers on the precursor vessel would be perfect for capturing rare lifeforms. The other races in the area (or at least the ones the Melnorme talked to) must have provided entirely different things for whatever commodities they desired. Like with the Slyandro allowing the Melnorme to study in exchange for the 241-A probe.

And personally, I didn't like any of Jean M. Auel's books except for 'Cave Bear. The sequels all turned into romance novels.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 12, 2003, 08:07:48 am
I imagine that the FunRom probably didn't cost TOO much. After all, it probably fits under the 'useless and trivial information available at a substantial discount' category.

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"Please share your mineral wealth with us, as allies."
As you wish. Our waste recycling unit is at your disposal.
There you will find quantities of methane, sulfurous gas, and some interesting organic compounds.
Feel free, take all you want.


I imagine they recovered Spathi DNA from the Spathi poop. I doubt it was worth very much, but then, I imagine neither was Winky's Happy Night.

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"What do you guys do for fun out here in deep space?"
We used to be bored, but then we bought this cool entertainment product.
It simulated a grand adventure through a thousand parsecs of hostile space
where we met interesting aliens, uncovered the secrets of a long-lost superior race
and eventually, to save our worlds from destruction, we had to face the dread..
never mind, I can tell you aren't really interested.


What I can't figure out is how they managed to amass enough credits for that game. It can't possibly have been cheap. It sounds rather fun though!

"Spathi Control: Battles of the Black Spathi Squadron" ?


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Omni-Sama on April 13, 2003, 02:28:27 am
My theory is that the Fots were the ones who defeated the Zebranky.  I think, deep down, the Fots are trained killers with hidden giant teeth that could easily kill any Zoq or Pik.  I bet their whol civilization is about appeasing the Fots who could easily use their Zebranky-chompers to gain control at any time....  dun dun dun.

Oh, and that game those Spathi talk about playing in deep space?  It sounds really lame.  They must be pleased easily, because that seems like a pretty mundane way to entertain onesself...


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: GermanNightmare on April 14, 2003, 04:38:28 am
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I have to say the name of the Ilwrath ship.  Avenger?  Come on, shouldn't it be something like "Torturer" or "Armageddon"?
They're an admittedly evil race of religious zealots, who worship pain, torture, and... well... evil.  Avenger sounds like it should've been used as a new design from one of the old league races.

Just like in our world, the name given by the builders (original race) is rarely the one used for a plane / submarine (or spaceship). Best example would be all the "additional" names (like NATO-code names) for all the Russian developments.
As for the "real" Zebranky's fate - we will probably never find out. But why would the ZFP call for help describing the event of planetary bombardment by the Kohr-Ah with "worse than Zebranky" if the Zebranky were tasty food or what not?

My biggest "doesn't fit" is the screen malfunction when talking to the Syreen commander Talana - next time, bring some extra light bulbs or night vision goggles  ;D

"Oh, Captain! What's this?"
"That's only my flashlight!"
"And this?"
"Uh, well - another flashlight?"
*Giggle...*


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Lukipela on April 14, 2003, 08:33:55 pm
For heavens sake GM, you are a Sci-Fi erotica writer, aren't you ?  ;D


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 14, 2003, 09:05:02 pm
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fate - we will probably never find out. But why would the ZFP call for help describing the event of planetary bombardment by the Kohr-Ah with "worse than Zebranky" if the Zebranky were tasty food or what not?


Maybe the Zebranky gave them REALLY nasty digestive problems?

Or maybe they figure saying that is the best way to get you to come running.

...part of me WANTED to believe the Dnyarri's speech about 'being whomped on the head and suddenly seeing the world as a wonderful and pretty place'. It really did.


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Death 999 on April 14, 2003, 09:23:28 pm
Why, the Lady Marauder, death borne on a thousand solar winds, severer of hope and deliverer of Fiery, inevitable, and eternal death -- a softie! Who would have guessed?
;)


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: GermanNightmare on April 14, 2003, 11:55:40 pm
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For heavens sake GM, you are a Sci-Fi erotica writer, aren't you ?  ;D


Mmh - when it comes to Syreens, my mind just goes wandering off...


Title: Re: biggest "doesn't fit" items from SC
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 15, 2003, 02:02:19 am
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Why, the Lady Marauder, death borne on a thousand solar winds, severer of hope and deliverer of Fiery, inevitable, and eternal death -- a softie! Who would have guessed?
;)


.....you had best not tell anyone!!
*waves tentacle threateningly*