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Title: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on August 19, 2010, 12:12:13 am
I am already a plenty opinionated person myself, but I just wanted to know my fellow community members' thoughts and impressions of the different races and share my own ideas.
So, the topic of this is what your favorite alien species is, your reasoning on why it is your favorite, and perhaps your grievances against certain other races. Do not discuss their ships exclusively; commentary on their spaceships is welcome as long as your focus is the personality of the species. For example, I like the Utwig Jugger's blasting power, but the Utwig themselves really tic me off. In fact, I would kill an Utwig on sight if they were not so vital to winning the game (call me what you like, but it's true). If you dislike or even hate a certain race for whatever reason, share that too, but don't spare any of the details of what you think makes that race so irritating to you.

Since I started the topic, I have the honor of starting first. Lucky me!

My favorite Star Control race is the Thraddash. Like myself, they love a good battle and like to blow stuff up. Their philosophy is to fight, learn, and improve. They are not evil, but they sincerely enjoy waging war. Quite a few times, when I came to visit them and their resource-rich planets, they tell me that my presence in their territory is an act of war, which they are thrilled to know. By engaging them in battle, I both gradually start to impress them and profit from the RU I salvage from their ships -- what a deal! The Thraddash voice acting puts some other races to shame. Plus, the Torch can use its secondary propulsion system (Reeunk afterburner) as a weapon to great effect. Even if you do not like the ship, you have to admit that's pretty neat.
I am irritated by the Melnorme at times. I like what they have to sell, don't get me wrong, but I just wish they did not speak sooo darrn slowwly. Even when you threaten to kill the Melnorme they do not break from their monotonous tone of voice. That is weird, even for intergalactic business-minded traders. I wonder why they don't give an option for their customers to pay them to get them to hurry up. It should be profitable enough for them to consider. :P


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: storyyeller on August 19, 2010, 12:38:40 am
My favorite are the Spathi and Orz because they are funny.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on August 19, 2010, 01:13:42 am
My favorite race are the Spathi for several reasons: First and foremost it's their technical skill - they are said to go from bronze age to space flight in a century. Same is backed by their ability to copy Kzer-Za shield technology from a distance and without anyone noticing. In addition they have both sarcasm and a sense of humor. Their worldly views are realistic. All these traits I value. I am far from being a coward, but I do usually go cautiously.

I dislike the Druuge (probably as it was intended). I typically dislike people that are only interested in money. Furthermore, their artifact scheming is beyond falsification, and I don't like liars.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on August 19, 2010, 03:15:45 am
My favorite would have to be the Yehat, their backstory (arguably) is the most engrossing in the game. I don't really hate any one race, but the Supox are the ones I like the least, they seem to have very little purpose other than to play second fiddle to the Utwig.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Dabir on August 19, 2010, 03:26:37 am
Perhaps a more appropriate term would be second banana? sorry about that

Ok, better get on-topic. *frantically checks the last time this question came up*

Apparently my favourite race is the Ilwrath, on account of the voice. I can see that.

Least favourite...Supox is too obvious, so I'll go with the Chmmr. Why the Chmmr? Because despite the epic voice, the epic ships and the pretty cool lines, they're just far too cold and distant. They're clearly the Plot Device Fairies of the game, and that's just as bad as being the Here Take This Fairies.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on August 19, 2010, 04:46:24 am
I reason that the hybrid between a race of sedentary crystalline sillicon beings and a race of cold, efficient machines would end up with a rather cold and distant personality, especially since they relied on isolation behind a slave shield to complete the process uninterrupted.  Still, you have a point. It would have been better if it were possible to communicate with the pre-hybridization Chenjesu and Mmrnmhrm. I think that would give them more depth.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on August 19, 2010, 03:53:08 pm
Try using a 'Caster when in orbit around the planet. Despite the slave shield, they'll be able to speak with you... And say the same things they do once you break them out, just not in all caps. ::)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: storyyeller on August 19, 2010, 04:00:23 pm
But they'd already been partially hybridized by that point.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on August 19, 2010, 06:26:10 pm
No, they make it pretty clear that it's the Chenjesu speaking, both in the flavor text and actual dialog (super-sensitive innate Hyperwave is mentioned several times with regard to the Chenjesu).


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: onpon4 on August 19, 2010, 07:05:28 pm
Favorite: Yehat. Just their backstory and their inner struggle. It makes me feel for them somehow.

Other favorites:
Androsynth: Backstory makes you feel sorry for them, and I also respect their incredible technology.

Ur-Quan Kzer-Za: I don't know how many other people here watch Avatar (the series, not the movie), but the Ur-Quan really remind me of Zuko. They seem like they are confused and unsure about what is right. I mostly respect their obvious compassion for other aliens when they mention how horrible they feel the Eternal Doctrine is and, after the Kohr-Ah win, beg the Captain to try to escape from the Kohr-Ah.

Least favorite: That's a tough one. It's mostly a choice between the Utwig for being crybabies, the Druuge for being scammer douchebags (I mean, seriously, their ships are useless!), and the Supox for not playing a major part in the game.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: storyyeller on August 19, 2010, 08:10:57 pm
No, they make it pretty clear that it's the Chenjesu speaking, both in the flavor text and actual dialog (super-sensitive innate Hyperwave is mentioned several times with regard to the Chenjesu).

That doesn't rule out a hybrid also been hyperwave sensitive.

The Process was begun several years before the start of the game, so it is reasonable to suppose that they were already partially hybridized.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Death 999 on August 19, 2010, 10:23:00 pm
the Druuge for being scammer douchebags (I mean, seriously, their ships are useless!)

Funny about that. The ships are actually pretty good. Just not so great against the particular enemies you will face in general. Good on the Sa-Matra, decent on Ur-Quan.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on August 19, 2010, 11:33:39 pm
Indeed, if it wasn't for their ships, 100 of my crew would still be nice and cozy at the starbase. Too bad about them, really...
That over-sized cannon of a spaceship can be very effective if your aim is good. The Mauler is fun if you're a sniper, but do not expect to get far with it if you never use the furnace. Heh, whoops! Out of fuel! Who's next?  ;D

The Druuge themselves, on the other hand, are another story. They are not the most unreasonable of thugs and corporate tycoons out there, but I would never want to trade places with a Druuge, nor would I trust any of them, for that matter. I find nearly everything about the Druuge creepy. They look like they're being tortured by their own ships' control mechanisms. They lie, give you "deals" that consist of selling your crew into slavery, and are obsessed with finding live creatures to toss into the furnace at the first opportunity they get. In fact, if I were to judge the Druuge by their personality alone, I would say it would have been better if the Orz wiped them out instead of the Androsynth. I am fairly certain the Orz would find them *frumple* enough to do so if they were to speak with them. If anything, the ensuing hilarity would be worth it. Oh, what I would give to watch as those two races establish contact...


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: SweetSassyMolassy on August 19, 2010, 11:41:41 pm
Least favorite: The Faz...I just don't trust those guys.

Most favorite: the Nnngh! (I think) because come on, you gotta love that name.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Steve-O on August 20, 2010, 12:59:50 am
My favourite races are the Supox and the Slylandro, mainly for being the two of the most unique evolutions of intelligent life in the game (IMHO.)  Breaking out of the "plastic forehead" mentality is something I really respect.  I know, I know, a lot of the races in this game are more than just plastic foreheads - that's one of the things I love so much about the game, 20 years later - but these two stand out to me for whatever reason.  I'm also fond of the Spathi for the same reason, though I hate their ships and that prevents me from getting too much use out of them.

I don't particularly hate any races, like others have said, but my least favourites are probably the Druuge and Ilwrath.  Never liked spiders, although I must admit they have some good lines.



Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on August 21, 2010, 11:56:51 pm
Least favorite: The Faz...I just don't trust those guys.

Weren't they annihilated by the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah? I don't think you can dislike someone you have never met.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Valos Cor on September 27, 2010, 07:11:10 am
I found that a bit hard to do... do humans count? :p (1, 2, 3, 4, 5...)
I find that I must agree that I really like the Yehat too.  Their sense of honor and loyalty and their story are the reasons.  Same with the Shofixti but there's something about them that seem to make me not like them so much (only met one in the game of course).  I love the Yehat accent :)  I really like the Spathi too because of their knowledge and bits of wisdom, as well as humour and their cool ship.  Spathi Eluders are one of my favorite (absolute favorite for use in the early to mid parts of the game) ships.  The Syreen are wonderful not just because of their pretty females, but also because of their history and its similarities with ours.
My least favorites are NOT the Ur-Quan.  I understand their pain and why they do what they do.  I think the Utwig are just a bunch of crybabies and their happiest moment is like "Ohhhh....happpy...day......" (I'm gonna die....*...*)  I really dislike the Druuge.

Conclusion
Best: Syreen, Yehat, Spathi
Neutral: Pkunk, Thraddash, Chmmr, Melnorme...etcetera...
Least: Vux, Druuge, Utwig

I forgot the Vux...boy are they prejudiced!   I spent "days" apologizing - and apart from the humor - all I got was a useless apology and confession that the Vux are worse than humans.  Zex was some pervert who betrayed you in the game, and, in my opinion, their ships practically suck.  I know they're probably good against a lot of ships, but they are no where near my favorite.  Oh, and the Druuge ships aren't that good either.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on September 28, 2010, 01:52:23 am
I forgot the Vux...boy are they prejudiced!   I spent "days" apologizing - and apart from the humor - all I got was a useless apology and confession that the Vux are worse than humans.  Zex was some pervert who betrayed you in the game, and, in my opinion, their ships practically suck.  I know they're probably good against a lot of ships, but they are no where near my favorite.  Oh, and the Druuge ships aren't that good either.

"Welcome back to total annihilation, where, as they say once is silatious, twice is phlagrant melons but the third time is when it really hurts. Please stay seated until your vessel starts smoking then feel free to dash your head painfully against the floor."

Actually, I like the Vux. They have great lines as well as an excellent starship. If you can make good use of the limpets, you're unstoppable.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on September 28, 2010, 02:22:53 am
Actually, I like the Vux. They have great lines as well as an excellent starship. If you can make good use of the limpets, you're unstoppable.

Not quite unstoppable, Earthling can blow it to smithereens without really trying hard (assuming we are not talking about the first battle of a match). Still can usually pull its weight.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on September 28, 2010, 03:35:00 am
Actually, I like the Vux. They have great lines as well as an excellent starship. If you can make good use of the limpets, you're unstoppable.

Not quite unstoppable, Earthling can blow it to smithereens without really trying hard (assuming we are not talking about the first battle of a match). Still can usually pull its weight.

That's really ironic! The Vux harbor an extreme hatred for humanity and yet have difficulty competing with the Earthling cruiser.

Nothing is unstoppable except perhaps the flagship in ideal configurations. Still, you usually receive very little opposition if you've managed to latch enough of the delightful little mollusks onto the enemy ship. There is nothing I like better to do in melee than see how many ships I can (practically) immobilize using limpets. Slylandro probe is a particularly challenging target. The results are hilarious if the tactic works, however.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on September 28, 2010, 05:49:20 am
... And against AI just park on the other side of the planet and see it kill itself :)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Terrell on September 28, 2010, 06:13:33 pm
Least favorite: The Faz...I just don't trust those guys.

Weren't they annihilated by the Ur-Quan Kohr-Ah? I don't think you can dislike someone you have never met.

No I think they were slave-shielded by the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za.

The Yuli, Drall, and Taalo were killed by the Ur-Quan under Dynarri compulsoin, the Yuptar were destroyed by the Kohr-Ah as described by the Kzer-Za.  (Before we could stop them, they burned the Yuptar race's homeworld).  The Mael-Num were the ones who spoke "the words" that caused the Kohr-Ah to stop and explain, allowing the Kzer-Za to show up.  While the Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah fought the Mael-Num, one eyed creatures, escaped, never to be found again.  That leaves the Faz, which is likely the race the Kzer-Za is referring to when they mention a race that they slave-shielded.  

It's possible that the Faz may still be alive, slave shielded on their homeworld.  Maybe not.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: chenjesuwizard on September 28, 2010, 06:46:41 pm
It seems likely.
I always thought the Utwig might be the descendents of the Faz. They came from the planet Fahz.
Quote from: ultronomicon
Eventually, the Chimt's tendrils reached up to what the Utwig refer to as the "sky canopies of Fahz," causing "the veils" to fall. The nature of these canopies and veils is again unknown, as the Utwig do not elucidate further on the topic.
I thought the veils might be the slaveshield.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on September 29, 2010, 07:11:35 am
That theory has been bandied about before, but isn't that likely. The Melnorme only refer to one Mileu race from our sector of space, which would be the Taalo, which means the Faz are likely somewhere else, possibly still stuck under their slave shield. Of course, with 20000 years to try to find a way out, maybe they broke it on their own, or died out for one reason or another.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: onpon4 on September 29, 2010, 10:31:21 pm
[...] or died out for one reason or another.

Doubtful, unless their home star died out.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on September 30, 2010, 03:58:15 pm
Or killed each other underneath the slave shield, or there was a planetwide pandemic, or massive climate change, or...


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: onpon4 on September 30, 2010, 09:26:04 pm
Or killed each other underneath the slave shield, or there was a planetwide pandemic, or massive climate change, or...

None of those would completely wipe out the species.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Valos Cor on September 30, 2010, 10:02:43 pm
Yeah... I don't think they would kill all of the species. 


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on October 01, 2010, 12:32:59 am
So, your theory is that extiction is impossible when a species of sentients is left to their own devices? Perhaps you guys aren't thinking this through.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Valos Cor on October 01, 2010, 12:38:01 am
No, I mean pandemics and warfare or massive climate change should probably leave SOME survivors.  Of course, extinction of one's own species by themselves is easily possible....Doomsday bomb? 


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: onpon4 on October 01, 2010, 12:39:20 am
So, your theory is that extiction is impossible when a species of sentients is left to their own devices? Perhaps you guys aren't thinking this through.

It's not impossible, but it's extremely unlikely. I mean, these guys were a part of a peaceful league of intelligent life forms for some unspecified amount of time, with probably no wars. If they made it that far, I think they can sustain themselves.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Valos Cor on October 01, 2010, 12:41:05 am
I agree.  Also, 20,000 years isn't very long when you consider the millions of years some species survive.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on October 02, 2010, 04:17:43 am
I mean, these guys were a part of a peaceful league of intelligent life forms for some unspecified amount of time, with probably no wars. If they made it that far, I think they can sustain themselves.

You mean the sentient Milieu? I thoroughly doubt that every participating species was a peaceful one. Let's not forget there were hundreds of members. Furthermore, It seems more likely to me the whole arrangement was no more than some kind of mutual assistance pact among a large, unstructured collection of species. I do not doubt they were peaceful toward their own. However, so little is known about the Sentient Milieu era, who's to say they never had any wars before that infamous Ur-Quan scout indirectly caused the destruction of the Sentient Milieu?

As for the fate of the Faz, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that the Ur-Quan slave shield is not capable of staying up forever. They were the first species the Ur-Quan imprisoned beneath a slave shield. Because this slave shield was the first one ever erected, it makes sense to imagine it was not as advanced as the Kzer-Za's "current" technology. They are known as effete scientists and bureaucrats, so there must have been some technological advancement since then. The Faz must have eventually either discovered a means of neutralizing the shield or escaped after it finally faded due to extreme age.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Valos Cor on October 02, 2010, 04:30:17 am
As for the fate of the Faz, I believe it was mentioned somewhere that the Ur-Quan slave shield is not capable of staying up forever. They were the first species the Ur-Quan imprisoned beneath a slave shield. Because this slave shield was the first one ever erected, it makes sense to imagine it was not as advanced as the Kzer-Za's "current" technology. They are known as effete scientists and bureaucrats, so there must have been some technological advancement since then. The Faz must have eventually either discovered a means of neutralizing the shield or escaped after it finally faded due to extreme age.

You're right.  It makes sense that they would obviously advance over a course of several thousand years.  Plus, the Chmmr planned to get out within a few decades or so, so several thousand years of possible failing (or at least extremely weak) slave shield and an intelligent species working to get out during that entire time...

I certainly hope the Utwig aren't the Faz (oh my, I almost said something else) because they are not my favorite species...


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 07, 2010, 09:30:04 pm
I have nothing to say angist the Kohr-Ah. They seem to be wise and emotive, but forced to cleanse the galaxy for their own good while the Kzer-Za seem to act somewhat arrogantly


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 09, 2010, 04:43:07 am
I have nothing to say angist the Kohr-Ah. They seem to be wise and emotive, but forced to cleanse the galaxy for their own good while the Kzer-Za seem to act somewhat arrogantly

"You have not asked properly. If you do not ask properly, we will not discuss this matter. Instead, we cleanse."

They are so oddly polite! I like the Kohr-Ah, as well. They speak so directly, and their statements are always simple and to-the-point. Unlike the Kzer-Za, they don't seem to condescend quite so much when speaking to you. When you speak The Words, the Kohr-Ah elaborate far more than the Kzer-Za and even continue to explain themselves after you attempt to end the conversation.
Still, the Kohr-Ah are clearly insane. They fail to grasp the concept of what truly constitutes a threat. They even cleanse the Pkunk if you let them, and those bird-brains are incapable of hurting a fly!


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on November 09, 2010, 05:05:22 am
those bird-brains are incapable of hurting a fly!

Billions slain on the fields of netmelee beg to differ.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 09, 2010, 05:14:59 am
I was referring to the Pkunk as a species. They never try to mount a retaliation against the Ilwrath, despite the great losses caused by Ilwrath attacks. Heck, the Pkunk would probably try to make peace with the Kohr-Ah too! Alas, all to no avail...


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: unity100 on November 09, 2010, 09:27:16 pm
in order from best to less 'best' :

arilou -they are like coming home
chenjesu - close to coming home
supox - i like them. they seem clear, bright
yehat - brethren !! starship clans ftw !!!
utwig - friends. with attitude. a sec - i shall don the appropriate mask before typing further
pkunk - crazy uncles/aunts which noone understands, but who actually spiritually advanced
melnorme - distant remains of a mystic ancient galactic past.
humans - clean, dynamic, fresh



Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: unity100 on November 09, 2010, 10:02:27 pm
That theory has been bandied about before, but isn't that likely. The Melnorme only refer to one Mileu race from our sector of space, which would be the Taalo, which means the Faz are likely somewhere else, possibly still stuck under their slave shield. Of course, with 20000 years to try to find a way out, maybe they broke it on their own, or died out for one reason or another.

or, got out of slave shield in another sector of the galaxy, and migrated here, to this quadrant. despite they were not living here as a milieu race before (unlike taalo), they now, are.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on November 09, 2010, 10:17:14 pm
They never try to mount a retaliation against the Ilwrath, despite the great losses caused by Ilwrath attacks.

I agree with you mostly, but we don't know (for sure) if they actively counterattacked the Ilwrath or not.
The whole line about some 'powerful, yet loving' force killing them all suggests the Pkunk didn't just sit around being killed at any rate.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: chenjesuwizard on November 10, 2010, 12:01:37 am
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on November 10, 2010, 01:12:13 am
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.

I am speechless with rage... and yet, I must speak!
How dare you flaunt the collective embarrassment of the Utwig?!
You will now pay for your severe breach of etiquette!
--- Zelnick dies ---


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: lakota.james on November 10, 2010, 04:27:04 pm
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.
Valaggar?


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: chenjesuwizard on November 10, 2010, 05:22:13 pm
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.

I am speechless with rage... and yet, I must speak!
How dare you flaunt the collective embarrassment of the Utwig?!
You will now pay for your severe breach of etiquette!
--- Zelnick dies ---
Sorry, but they're so Whiny!
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.
Valaggar?
No, chenjesuwizard, Not Valaggar


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: JudgeYohance on November 10, 2010, 07:41:12 pm
I always found one element of the Kor-ah and Ur-Quan suspect. Consider this, the rules of their agreement was they would head in opposite directions and then engage in a ritual war. This means both species circumnavigated the galaxy and defeated every race that tried to stop them so that natural arrogance in both races voices fits quite well. (it also means that all other races outside our quadrant should in theory be dead or under shields doesn't it?)

My favorite voice was the Orz. Between their dialog and the fact that they sounded like a dude....trying to sound like a girl.....just before trying to jump you, somehow just seemed to fit that feeling that they were not sincere allies from the start. Though the Pkunk dialog was always my favorite.

As a total race, the Thradash. They make me feel like the smart kid manipulating the high school bully into doing his work for him.

Quote
those bird-brains are incapable of hurting a fly!

My best run, I successfully got the ship to resurrect 27 times in a melee fight :)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Death 999 on November 11, 2010, 06:16:58 am
On your best run, you needed to ressurrect 27 times.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: ziper1221 on November 11, 2010, 06:58:14 am
Well, you were going to win the lotto but oh well, you got 27 reincarnations with a fury.  :-[ :'(


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on November 11, 2010, 08:10:05 am
Well, you were going to win the lotto but oh well, you got 27 reincarnations with a fury.  :-[ :'(
Unfortunately, this doesn't work that way. My longest resurrection streak got up to three last week, and that's over 13 years of semi-constant playing, but I never got more than 2 out of 7 in the lottery (moneyback is 3)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Cedric6014 on November 11, 2010, 10:55:43 am
My best run, I successfully got the ship to resurrect 27 times in a melee fight :)

The chances of that happeneing are 1 in 134,217,728. So I find it a little hard to believe. Far more likely to win your local lottery.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: ziper1221 on November 11, 2010, 04:23:16 pm
Well, you were going to win the lotto but oh well, you got 27 reincarnations with a fury.  :-[ :'(
Unfortunately, this doesn't work that way. My longest resurrection streak got up to three last week, and that's over 13 years of semi-constant playing, but I never got more than 2 out of 7 in the lottery (moneyback is 3)

No, the idea is he used up his luck playing UQM :)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on November 11, 2010, 05:02:41 pm
Well, you were going to win the lotto but oh well, you got 27 reincarnations with a fury.  :-[ :'(
Unfortunately, this doesn't work that way. My longest resurrection streak got up to three last week, and that's over 13 years of semi-constant playing, but I never got more than 2 out of 7 in the lottery (moneyback is 3)

No, the idea is he used up his luck playing UQM :)

Meaning he had some luck points allocated and spent them on gaming, whereas I didn't have the points from the beginning?


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: ziper1221 on November 11, 2010, 09:19:10 pm
you must have put your luck points in strength, perception, endurance, charisma, intelligence or agility.  ;)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 12, 2010, 08:20:47 am
Why are we discussing RPGs? I thought this topic was about Star Control 2. Allocate those spare points to perception, please. :P

The Pkunk are very friendly. In fact, they're too friendly. Although I cannot possibly help but smile when I communicate with those crazy bird-like beings of joy, their unabashedly peaceful demeanour confuses me at times. When I first observed their fleet quickly approaching Yehat space, I thought for sure they would kill 'em all. Honestly, I wonder how they managed to not get themselves annihilated sooner.

Tactically, I find the Pkunk Fury nearly worthless (excluding the battle with a certain super-weapon). It is rather amusing to fly at such impressive speeds and insult your enemy, but the main weapon fails to deliver. I say, no Ur-Quan nor any other foe will be impressed by such childish insults and hit-and-run tactics!


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: unity100 on November 12, 2010, 01:04:41 pm
God, I hate the Utwig. Their voice is so annoying.

playing with voice acting on is a crime against sc2. never ever do it. the graphics, text, the talking style in dialogue gives more character than a hired voice mimicking actor can give, to the aliens.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on November 13, 2010, 01:56:52 am
Actually, these were not hired voice actors, but the development crew themselves and family members.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on November 13, 2010, 03:48:39 am
Tactically, I find the Pkunk Fury nearly worthless (excluding the battle with a certain super-weapon). It is rather amusing to fly at such impressive speeds and insult your enemy, but the main weapon fails to deliver. I say, no Ur-Quan nor any other foe will be impressed by such childish insults and hit-and-run tactics!

That main weapon is capable of dealing 8-10 (12 theoretically) damage 'points' per attack run if you line it up well. The Fury is at least half-decent against all but a very few ships, given a competent pilot and some luck.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 13, 2010, 06:48:43 am
playing with voice acting on is a crime against sc2. never ever do it. the graphics, text, the talking style in dialogue gives more character than a hired voice mimicking actor can give, to the aliens.

I disagree. While the voices admittedly have their flaws, they are not this all-corrupting entity that you and some other people make them out to be. Can you listen to them and honestly tell me that the Ilwrath and Thraddash voices are not simply magnificent? Also, you should listen some time as Fwiffo discusses the "Ultimate Evil". The voice acting nailed that line at least, don't you think?

(Actually, due to the breathing noises in the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za voice acting I was initially under the impression they had abnormally small lungs, thus causing them difficulty while speaking, but that is another story)


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 13, 2010, 10:30:46 am
Just don't tell a thing against voice acts in UQM/SC2 . They all posses signifficant quality when compared with SC3 voice acts which are simply pathetic.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Novus on November 13, 2010, 12:18:25 pm
Just don't tell a thing against voice acts in UQM/SC2 . They all posses signifficant quality when compared with SC3 voice acts which are simply pathetic.
I actually prefer the SC3 Orz voice to SC2's, and a few of the original races in SC3 are saved from being pathetic by the amusing voice acting (e.g. Xchaggers).


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: unity100 on November 13, 2010, 07:50:58 pm
playing with voice acting on is a crime against sc2. never ever do it. the graphics, text, the talking style in dialogue gives more character than a hired voice mimicking actor can give, to the aliens.

I disagree. While the voices admittedly have their flaws, they are not this all-corrupting entity that you and some other people make them out to be. Can you listen to them and honestly tell me that the Ilwrath and Thraddash voices are not simply magnificent? Also, you should listen some time as Fwiffo discusses the "Ultimate Evil". The voice acting nailed that line at least, don't you think?

(Actually, due to the breathing noises in the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za voice acting I was initially under the impression they had abnormally small lungs, thus causing them difficulty while speaking, but that is another story)

actually i say they are that all-corrupting entity that we make it to be.

it is only evident during long sessions. if you play with sound off, (preferably with pc version), over the long hours you will see that your subconscious starts to draw pictures of the characteristics of the aliens, from what they say, their history, and their responses.

in long term, this is much more a vivid picture than any picture that is tainted/overwritten by voice acting. humans are psychologically conditioned to give more credence to sound, voice, the way a person talks, then the content of what's said, the goings on and whatnot. this is only natural.

and since no voice actor is actually an alien, there is no way they could correctly and precisely vocalize an alien culture.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on November 13, 2010, 08:45:20 pm
You make a good argument, but you still have not cited specific examples.

What about the text styles? Are they really any better at characterizing the aliens? Have you even heard the Thraddash voice?

Exactly what about the voice acting is so horrible that you disable it automatically?


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on November 14, 2010, 06:04:30 am
I admit that I had a mental "image" of what the various aliens would sound like after years of playing only the DOS version, which in many cases was quite different from what the actual voiced dialog sounded like. The Utwig are the most significant example in that regard. Does that mean I think the voice acting is universally terrible? Not a chance. Some of the voices are quite well done despite the amateur VAs used. Is the SC2 voice acting universally better than the SC3 voice acting? Again, no. I prefer the SC3 Orz, just as Novus said, and some of the other voices were also very good (the K'tang stand out here).

Do I ever play with sound off? No way, the sound is too good to miss. Do I still have a different perception  of what I would have those voices sound like? You bet, but it doesn't hamper my enjoyment of the game.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Kohr-Ah Death on November 14, 2010, 07:17:56 am
Actually, due to the breathing noises in the Ur-Quan Kzer-Za voice acting I was initially under the impression they had abnormally small lungs, thus causing them difficulty while speaking, but that is another story

Well you guessed correctly since it was the Talking Pet speaking and not the Ur-Quan.
Tiny creatures have small lungs  ;D


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 14, 2010, 01:15:21 pm
How do you explain talking pet(device)'s voice then? His speech is fast, and the diffrence in tone is significant. And how do you explain the diffrence between Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah voice if all theese three speeches are spoken by talking pets? It's confusing. Also, talking pets aren't so tiny actualy. While they might associate you with frogs, the neo-Dynarri says their size is close to Earth dogs. Woff! Woff! However I never believed much of what this little dipshit said.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Dabir on November 14, 2010, 01:56:05 pm
I solve this apparent contradiction with the same reason some people find the Kohr-Ah scarier than the Kzer-Za. Simply, the Kzer-Za aim to be as intimidating as possible. Their strident, blaring voices, coupled with their terrifying appearance, would have caused widespread terror when they first arrived, and I'd guess this puts a lot of strain on the Talking Pet. Of course, when you're Zelnick, cruising around the galaxy in a starship capable of killing approximately everything, you tend not to be impressed by that sort of thing. In contrast, the Kohr-Ah are calm and collected. They still have that deep voice, but I guess the deepness is just a side-effect of interpreting the will of the Ur-Quan.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: JudgeYohance on November 14, 2010, 07:36:12 pm
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The chances of that happening are 1 in 134,217,728. So I find it a little hard to believe. Far more likely to win your local lottery.

I wish and the reason I had to keep resurrecting was because he was driving a utwig and was very good with it. (since we were playing on the same keyboard, makes it impossible to really trick each other.)

Far as I was able to tell, it was never lottery. Press the special and weapons key at the exact right moment and it will resurrect if I am wrong then i must be born lucky. I usually manage to get the ship to respawn at least twice any time I use one. That run was accomplished when Version 3 had just been released and I have never gotten anything close to that again so maybe it was just the version had the coding for respawn wrong. My friend i was playing against was nearly out of his chair laughing at how many times it came back only to be pasted again.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Draxas on November 15, 2010, 04:08:41 pm
Far as I was able to tell, it was never lottery. Press the special and weapons key at the exact right moment and it will resurrect if I am wrong then i must be born lucky.

You were born lucky. Resurrection chance is always 50/50, and is actually determined when the Fury spawns, so it has nothing to do with key presses at all.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Kohr-Ah Death on November 16, 2010, 02:25:05 am
How do you explain talking pet(device)'s voice then? His speech is fast, and the diffrence in tone is significant. And how do you explain the diffrence between Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah voice if all theese three speeches are spoken by talking pets? It's confusing. Also, talking pets aren't so tiny actualy. While they might associate you with frogs, the neo-Dynarri says their size is close to Earth dogs. Woff! Woff! However I never believed much of what this little dipshit said.

Simple, they each like having their own voice.
The Kzer-Za have their favorite voice as do the Kohr-Ah, the Talking Pet itself also has it's own voice.
The Ur-Quan basically tell it to speak a certain way and it does while the Talking Pet speaks in its natural voice.

Also I always thought the Dnyarri were more close to the size of a large house-cat, still, small lungs compared to mine.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Main on November 16, 2010, 06:25:47 am
From a storytelling perspective, I most appreciate the Orz. It's a testament to TFB that a race of goofy race of parrotfish-looking things left me too frightened to sleep for a few nights (Poor Bukowski). It's frustrating as hell that the Arilou never gave more answers about the Orz and other interdimensional Lovecraftian horrors, but I imagine they wanted to set up a plot point for a sequel.

Just because of their awful 3DO voice, I find the Utwig intolerable. I actually don't much care for the Spathi either. On top of their cowardice, they're extremely petty and self-centered.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 18, 2010, 07:32:46 pm
I have noticed many people complaining about the Utwig voice. It is annoyng indeed.
But...awful??? You don't know the meaning of the word "awful"! You haven't heard the story about SC3 Chmmr voice! It is so awful that I can't stand it!
 There are voice acts of a few races in SC3 which sound good, but they are minority. SC3 obviously had a terrible actors who recorded it's voices.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: atombender on November 21, 2010, 03:21:21 pm
From all races I liked Thraddash the most. The first time I met them they appeared so powerful and mighty, and then they explained how the ancient Culture Three hacked their limbs off to frighten their enemies! ;D
Conversations with the Thraddash are the best in the game in my opinion, but I also liked Druuge and especially their contract with their god.

Only race I didn't like was Supox, because they seemed to lack character. I found them quite boring.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 22, 2010, 05:09:33 pm
Yeah, the Thraddash are certainly the best. The part where they decribe their invention of their Reeunk Afterburner is absoulutely awesome.
I would also like to add that I really like to use Torch ships in SuperMelee; they aren't too strong, but if used wisely they can become serious threat to almost any ship.
The only thing I don't like on Torch is it's main gun which is too weak. It's wierd since it fires much larger projectiles than Scout, Eluder, Fury, Stinger and Terminator do.
It would be just more logical if they killed 2 crew members per shot instead of only one.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on November 22, 2010, 05:54:05 pm
It would be just more logical if they killed 2 crew members per shot instead of only one.

It woulld be more "logical" if the shots damaged ship systems instead of directly killing crew. As it is, it's fun, not logic.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Death 999 on November 23, 2010, 04:56:16 pm
Putting forth the Thraddash main weapon as an example of 'fun' doesn't exactly help your case.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 23, 2010, 08:02:06 pm
It was a quite difficult (if not impossible) to create such a complex battle mechanics which would simulate damage to ship systems back in 1992.
And besides that, SC isn't simulation, it's a pure arcade and it will always remain that way.
Fun is absoulutely the most important factor in every game (that's why we play them), but at least a little of logic is also quite important if you ask me, even in a hard sci-fi arcades.
An "armor" or "health" or something like that instead of "crew" could have been put under the bars which present hitpoints which cause the ship to be destroyed if they are depleted.
So in computer language there isn't any evidence that tells us: "crew members are directly killed if the ship takes damage".
It's just how we imagine/translate it in our brains and/or how the developers wanted it to look like.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Alvarin on November 23, 2010, 10:54:29 pm
I believe that the "health" of the ship is measured in "crew" units rather than "hull integrity" was to accomodate ORZ/'Quan fighters and the Syreen song.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: oldlaptop on November 24, 2010, 02:35:09 am
It was a quite difficult (if not impossible) to create such a complex battle mechanics which would simulate damage to ship systems back in 1992.

The Starflight games (SC2's spiritual predecessors) had just such a combat system, in 1986. But you don't see IRC channels about Starflight's combat around today, do you? Star Control's somewhat silly damage system is designed for fun, not realism, and in that respect it excels.


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Technolopithicus on November 24, 2010, 04:12:41 am
To return to the topic of the OP, my favorite race was by far the Zoq-Fot-Pik.  When Star Control 2 first came out and I ran into the Zoq-Fot-Pik not far from Sol, they were the ones that truly drew me into the game.  Most science fiction is plagued by the same, tired hominid like, bi-pedal, bi-lateral symmetry aliens.  The Zoq-Fot-Pik were such a wonderful exception.

In that same vein, I like the Suppox, the Ur-quan, Slylandro and especially the Chymr.  I thought it was very thoughtful of TFB to posit both a race of machines as well as a race of non-organics as enlightened rather than genocidal maniacs.  In science fiction, we tend to villainize alien concepts based on how different they tend to be from us and I thought the Chymr and its constituent races were an intriguing exception.     


Title: Re: Which Star Control species is your favorite and why? Which annoy you?
Post by: Wolframm on November 24, 2010, 03:09:00 pm
Oops... I think we got off, the topic a little.
Nevermind, the Zoq-Fot-Pik are interesting indeed due their civilization was shared between four sentinent species
(I guess the Zebranky were also sentinent nevertheless their diet)
which probably evoluted individualy since the diffrence in their apparences are large.
Oh, and... Frungy? What the hell is it? It's some kind of sport and no other details are known about it (as far as I know).
They behave and talk the similar way the humans do. This makes ZFP too much similar to us and I don't have the feeling I talk to aliens.
This is why I like Chmmr more than ZFP.