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The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release => General UQM Discussion => Topic started by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 06, 2011, 11:37:18 am



Title: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 06, 2011, 11:37:18 am
Take the reactor from a Chmmr Avatar and install it on an Utwig Jugger. Basically unlimited shields 8)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Julien Frie on February 07, 2011, 05:56:34 am
but how


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 07, 2011, 06:59:45 am
Have the Chmmr and Utwig combine their technology?


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Alvarin on February 07, 2011, 08:48:27 am
No, have the Spathi combine their technologies!


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Dabir on February 07, 2011, 08:22:55 pm
No, have the Thraddash combine the Chmmr and Utwig tech. The battery still won't regenerate, but the cataclysmic explosions will make the Jugger go REALLY REALLY FAST.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: onpon4 on February 07, 2011, 11:53:12 pm
Or, you can just take a Yehat ship, make its shields free, make its gun free, make its gun inflict 8001 damage, give it 5000 crew, give the gun infinite life, and give the gun just enough speed so that it will be as fast as possible without having any collision issues. OK, it would cause a hell of a lot of lag and not fun to play with or against, but it would be virtually invincible.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: psydev on February 08, 2011, 09:47:21 am
Alary Battlecruiser


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 08, 2011, 11:17:22 pm
The ultimate ship? What more than the Flagship could you possibly need?


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Alvarin on February 09, 2011, 02:59:33 am
Well, full-powered Sa-Matra should be more powerful, but yeah, battle modified Mark I is all you'll need against absolutely any battlegroup.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Death 999 on February 09, 2011, 03:38:47 pm
The Druuge can get shots in on it.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: JudgeYohance on February 09, 2011, 06:16:19 pm
Pkunk Engine + Chmmr Battery + Utwig Shield + Flagship Hellbore and Auto target system + Earth Point Defense System = Fast, Impossible to hurt, Enough firepower and range to eat any ship before they get close, Close range defenses to deal with fighters and ranged weapons.

I call this ship, "God's Middle finger". The Sa-Matra is for Sissies by comparison :)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Death 999 on February 09, 2011, 07:00:16 pm
The Sa-Matra is never powered up in-game.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Lukipela on February 09, 2011, 07:23:56 pm
The Sa-Matra can supposedly torch you from the other side of a star system. That range will tear you apart before your close enough to open fire.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 09, 2011, 07:24:50 pm
The Sa-Matra can supposedly torch you from the other side of a star system. That range will tear you apart before your close enough to open fire.

Unless the Utwig shield absorbs all of the hits


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 09, 2011, 07:45:01 pm
I know the Utwig shield can absorb enemy fire, but I think there must be a limit to how much firepower it can take. The Sa-Matra can wipe out entire races, including the Utwig, which kind of makes their shield pointless. Let's face it; they may as well have been throwing bricks at it.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 09, 2011, 08:06:25 pm
Um, they never wiped out the Utwig....

Also this would be the Utwig without the main weakness of their shield (it relies on enemy firepower to charge itself)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: onpon4 on February 09, 2011, 09:02:50 pm
Um, they never wiped out the Utwig....

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Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Lukipela on February 09, 2011, 09:09:55 pm
Unless the Utwig shield absorbs all of the hits

I wonder what the upper limit is. Could a Utwig with it's shield on fly through a star just to make a point?


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: oldlaptop on February 09, 2011, 10:22:05 pm
Um, they never wiped out the Utwig....

Also this would be the Utwig without the main weakness of their shield (it relies on enemy firepower to charge itself)

Unfortunately it would leave the shield's other main weakness notably un-fixed. (You can't fire and shield at the same time.)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 09, 2011, 10:31:26 pm
Um, they never wiped out the Utwig....

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Except that never happens in canon - the NAFS winning is the canon ending. Also they don't use the Sa-Matra, while they're out attacking other races you can go to Delta Crateris and it's still there


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 09, 2011, 11:09:11 pm
I take that as still more proof of the Sa-Matra's power. If the Kohr-Ah are capable of "cleansing" entire races like that without the help of the Sa-Matra, imagine what they could have accomplished if they had bothered to unleash it upon the Empire of Zelnick and its allies?

Let's not forget that the Kzer-Za used the Sa-Matra on the Alliance of Free Stars and utterly defeated and humiliated them.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Draxas on February 10, 2011, 03:20:04 am
Let's not forget that the Kzer-Za used the Sa-Matra on the Alliance of Free Stars and utterly defeated and humiliated them.

And even then, only once, and only against a Chenjesu & Mmrnmhrm fleet. After that, they did mop-up duty on the rest of the Alliance without needing it.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: JudgeYohance on February 10, 2011, 06:30:28 am
I never quite understood if the reason they used the Sa-Matra was because they felt they could not win otherwise or because they knew the Kor-Ah were coming and they needed to end the war fast in order to prepare.

Another interesting question.....In thousands of years, these races were never defeated, they have powerful ships but i can toast a fleet of Kor-Ah ships with a single Utwig vessel. So how weak have every other race they have encountered been? Also i find it hard to believe that no other race they have encountered agreed to become battle Thralls. Did they only create that option when they realized there fleet by itself would not be able to take on the Alliance?

I also want to add that my ship is going to get a Cloaking Device and an army of Trained Vux Beauties aboard to send to enemy ships :)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 10, 2011, 12:59:34 pm
The Utwig only lost to the Kohr-Ah because they were outnumbered.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Draxas on February 10, 2011, 05:14:23 pm
I never quite understood if the reason they used the Sa-Matra was because they felt they could not win otherwise or because they knew the Kor-Ah were coming and they needed to end the war fast in order to prepare.

I've always felt it was the latter. The Ur-Quan have been doing this for tens of thousands of years, so surely they've fought against alliances of aliens before. There was simply no time to let a massive war of attrition break the Alliance before the Kohr-Ah arrived, so they made a single strategic strike with the Sa-Matra. Otherwise, they wouldn't deign to use it on a lesser species.

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Another interesting question.....In thousands of years, these races were never defeated, they have powerful ships but i can toast a fleet of Kor-Ah ships with a single Utwig vessel. So how weak have every other race they have encountered been? Also i find it hard to believe that no other race they have encountered agreed to become battle Thralls. Did they only create that option when they realized there fleet by itself would not be able to take on the Alliance?

Another oft-debated topic. My personal opinion is that, once they're done with a sector, the Kzer-Za slave shield all their battle thralls and move on. It means they don't have any autonomous aliens running around that might consider rebellion, and frees up their whole fleet for the attack on the next sector's worth of aliens.


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: JudgeYohance on February 10, 2011, 06:28:27 pm
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Another oft-debated topic. My personal opinion is that, once they're done with a sector, the Kzer-Za slave shield all their battle thralls and move on. It means they don't have any autonomous aliens running around that might consider rebellion, and frees up their whole fleet for the attack on the next sector's worth of aliens

That sounds plausible.

Oh I almost forgot the most important addon to my ultimate ship design. It has a pin scented tree above the captain's chair to keep the bridge smelling fresh!


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 10, 2011, 07:35:03 pm
I also want to add that my ship is going to get a Cloaking Device and an army of Trained Vux Beauties aboard to send to enemy ships :)

Sounds effective, if it works. Be careful, though, she's a killer!

Poor Admiral ZEX...

Oh I almost forgot the most important addon to my ultimate ship design. It has a pin scented tree above the captain's chair to keep the bridge smelling fresh!

Why a tree? Why not a Supox? Why can't it be shaped like a Slylandro gas bag or perhaps modeled after a Syreen?


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Alvarin on February 11, 2011, 12:13:07 am
Because pine tree is classic shape!


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: JudgeYohance on February 11, 2011, 01:05:36 am
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Because pine tree is classic shape!

Exactly!


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 11, 2011, 01:15:14 am
So is Pong, but there are more entertaining games out there.  :P

Come to think of it, this ship should have arcade rooms, too. Why not have something to do while you're not merrily cruising through space and kicking alien butt?


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: oldlaptop on February 11, 2011, 02:17:40 am
Another interesting question.....In thousands of years, these races were never defeated, they have powerful ships but i can toast a fleet of Kor-Ah ships with a single Utwig vessel. So how weak have every other race they have encountered been?

I highly doubt every Kohr-Ah pilot is as hopeless as the AI...  ;)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 11, 2011, 06:58:04 am
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Ah, the lifetimes that have been spent in the pursuit of the elusive answer
to this deceptively simple question has driven many of us down the dark road of self-destruction.
Indeed, even as these words strike the ears of any that care to listen
the real question is, Does It Matter? I cannot say, I wallow in a quandary
unable to determine what better atones for my part of the Great Sin.
Should I engage in slow and painful self-termination?
Should I commit myself to a long life of excruciating self-flagellation?
Should I throw myself with enthusiastic verve at the problem of collective annihilation?
I do not know. Even now my mind writhes in the anguish of indecision lest the outcome be inadequate.

Yeah... Somehow, I don't think exterminating them would be all that difficult


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: JudgeYohance on February 11, 2011, 07:34:28 am
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So is Pong, but there are more entertaining games out there.  Tongue

BLASPHEMOUS FOOL! ( I collect pong systems :p among other game consoles)

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Come to think of it, this ship should have arcade rooms, too. Why not have something to do while you're not merrily cruising through space and kicking alien butt?

Good idea! How about a pong machine! or a copy of that game the Spathi said they play while on long space flights :)

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Yeah... Somehow, I don't think exterminating them would be all that difficult

You know how hard it it to get rid of an emo? (Use the twilight movies as a good example of an emo concept that can;t be gotten rid of despite our best efforts)

The ship also needs a bar...a well stocked bar.....how did we all miss that idea? :)


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Grand Master Planet Eater on February 11, 2011, 02:30:57 pm
Calling Twilight emo is an insult to emos :P


Title: Re: Creating the ultimate ship would be easy....
Post by: Admiral Zeratul on February 12, 2011, 12:52:48 am
Ugh. Twilight. That monstrosity should never have come into existence in the first place. I can think of one word that perfectly describes Twilight and all its nonsense. Crap!

And yes, a bar would be a welcome addition and an excellent place for space adventurers to convene and share their heroic tales to boot.