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Title: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: ErekLich on February 12, 2003, 07:17:39 pm
Why do the Melnorme want biological data?

I mean, think about it.  They take the umpteenth creatrue of the same type that you've stunned, no matter what.  Why?

What "potentially ominous, long range plan" do they have with these poor creatures?

Any theories?


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Matticus on February 12, 2003, 07:24:00 pm
I can only wonder if their past has anything to do with it. As the Mael-Num they were part of the Sentient Milieu and were about to get toasted when the first doctrinal war took place. So they escape and start wandering the galaxy.

A key question is whether they were biology nuts while a part of the Milieu or if that was something that developed afterwards. I can't even begin to hazard a guess.

If it was like that before, then maybe they're just continuing their culture the best they can.

If it was something that developed afterwards... you got me. I haven't a clue.

I would assume that in either case, they accept the same types of creatures simply for reference or maybe to try to find some kind of pattern of development in the galaxy.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Novus on February 12, 2003, 07:54:18 pm
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Why do the Melnorme want biological data?

I mean, think about it.  They take the umpteenth creatrue of the same type that you've stunned, no matter what.  Why?

Well, two individuals of the same species can differ quite a lot in e.g. genetic structure (assuming they have genes in the first place) and a lot of other aspects. When attempting to analyse a species, it would seem reasonable to gather a representative sample to establish ranges of variation.
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What "potentially ominous, long range plan" do they have with these poor creatures?

Any theories?

Theory A: They're looking for suitable lifeforms for a planet they intend to colonise, terraform or something like that.

Theory B: They're looking for lifeforms suitable for manipulation into something useful and/or destructive.

Theory C: Someone is paying them a lot for biological data.

Theory D: They're biology nuts.

Theory E: They want to rid the galaxy of life. The Kohr-Ah are already working on the sentient life, so all they need is someone to handle the non-sentient life. Scary possibility: the Melnorme turned the Ur-Quan into xenophobic nutcases (although the traditional Dnyarri theory seems to contradict this).

Due to the lack of hard data on the Melnorme, all of these theories seem plausible.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Death 999 on February 12, 2003, 08:10:53 pm
Theory F: The Melnorme are working on:
The Isle of Dr. Mael-Num-eau!
They are trying to figure out what combination of xeno DNA will render the Ur-Quan less hostile, or possibly reverse the Dnyarri's genetic manipulations.

Theory G: They are worried that the Kohr-Ah will go MORE so and wipe out all life period. Thus their mission is in the form of preservation - a set of backups, just in case...


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Omni-Sama on February 12, 2003, 08:29:01 pm
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They take the umpteenth creatrue of the same type that you've stunned, no matter what.  Why?

For the same reason scientists put markers on a thousand different birds or animals and follow their actions over a long period of time, even when they are the same species:  To track their sexual activites and tape them for re-runs on the Discovery Channel.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Deathy on February 12, 2003, 08:32:50 pm
I'm hoping for a Noah's arc kind of thing, only with modern outsourcing techniques. Maybe they're going to pay me to put them back where I found them after the war's over?  ::)

Otherwise, I'd feel guilty about strip-mining the galaxy of all life. And all usefull minerals. Er, all minerals that are laying around on the surface in convenient dot form.  ;)


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Death 999 on February 12, 2003, 08:38:36 pm
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For the same reason scientists put markers on a thousand different birds or animals and follow their actions over a long period of time, even when they are the same species:  To track their sexual activites and tape them for re-runs on the Discovery Channel.



Oh, I thought you were going to say "because replication is the easiest way to reduce noise, and repeatability is the only assurance of a scientific result"...


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Culture20 on February 12, 2003, 10:29:03 pm
Theory H: They have a sample of Precursor DNA, and want to find animals which have similar patterns so that they can find the world where the Precursors developed. (Although they don't ask you _where_ you got your data from).

Theory I:  They traced a certain DNA marker to any Precursor terraforming Biots, and want to find as many biots as they can.

I'm surprised that they don't want the Mycon Egg casing


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Censored on February 12, 2003, 11:19:13 pm
Theory J: they EAT them! muhahahah! Steak-ala-weird-purple-octopuse-aliens!
;D


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Deathy on February 12, 2003, 11:30:59 pm
Actually, how do we know that we're capturing the same species of animals over and over and over?

Maybe SC uses the Star Trek system: some of the purple octopusses have earrings, some have dots on their neck, some have bumps on their forehead, some are slightly greenish with pointy ears, etc.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Culture20 on February 13, 2003, 12:09:46 am
Star Trek.  Heh heh.  That system spawned one of the few humerous lines in SC3 (made by the Exquivans):
Not entirely accurate:
"It is said their exists a portion of the universe in which the differences between sentient beings are little more than forehead appliques"


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: ErekLich on February 13, 2003, 12:18:56 am
Then of course there's the United Federation of Worlds.

And the Utwig have a line about the Kohr-Ah:

"they exist to seek out new civilizations.  Then anihilate them."

EDIT:  Love those theories!


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Chad on February 13, 2003, 01:27:26 am
They have Umgah envy?  :P


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Matt on February 13, 2003, 01:55:32 am
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Theory H: They have a sample of Precursor DNA, and want to find animals which have similar patterns so that they can find the world where the Precursors developed. (Although they don't ask you _where_ you got your data from).

They don't really ask about the rainbow world locations either; they seem to just look at our log (they say something about that). They may be able to look at our log to find out where we got our critters as well.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Fotsev on February 13, 2003, 10:20:43 am
Maybe they are tracking mutation rates, or are attempting to map some sort of universal genetic similarity.  :)


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: ASCI_Blue on February 13, 2003, 11:08:54 am
Galaxynet interspecies pr0n.  >:( ;D


Title: SC3:Theory
Post by: Krulle on February 13, 2003, 07:12:58 pm
My Theory is based upon the good research work the developers of SC3 have done (although they messed the best parts):
In SC3, the life was seeded by the Eternal1s. Maybe the Mael-Num are searching for more information about what the Eternal1s are, maybe even find a biological weapon against them?

BTW: Why doesn`t you favourite Melnorme Trade buy the Vux-Beast? That should be very interesting for them (maybe it would bring you enough credits to buy the information about the purple bridge, just as a sidequest for fun). Maybe you could even trade that beast against one of their Traders? And a pack full of fuel. That`s standard in this part of the galaxy, thanks to these dump-price fuel seller Druuge. Apparently the Druuge do not need fuel, only crew.
Heck, even the Druuge do not buy the Beast, they could sell it to Admiral Zex themselves, and thus obtain the Shfixti Maidens. Just another two ways to let the resurrection of the Shofixti fail.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Lukipela on February 14, 2003, 12:19:00 am
Maybe the Melnorme are up to something completely different... There's a lot of stuff you could use biological data for... Perhaps their religious? Trying to discover how life is created? If there is a God, or maybe some part ogf every creatures DNA is exactly the same, which somehow explains it. For all we know they might even be recording the history of these beings, interviewing them in some way, or putting them up on large pins in their collections... Maybe their collectors items to them, like Pokemon cards?


Title: Re: SC3:Theory
Post by: Culture20 on February 14, 2003, 01:56:23 am
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BTW: Why doesn`t you favourite Melnorme Trade buy the Vux-Beast?

They do.  Or at least they buy the data, just like every other animal.  When you zap the Vux beast, you get 15 bio data points.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Krulle on February 14, 2003, 12:13:22 pm
Never noticed that. Thanks culture20.


Title: Melnorme Vuxbeast-biologicals?
Post by: Krulle on February 14, 2003, 12:15:50 pm
Never noticed that. Thanks culture20.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 10, 2003, 05:27:55 am
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Star Trek.  Heh heh.  That system spawned one of the few humerous lines in SC3 (made by the Exquivans):
Not entirely accurate:
"It is said their exists a portion of the universe in which the differences between sentient beings are little more than forehead appliques"


Don't forget:
"We are on a five year mission, to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go where no... well you get the idea. We're kind of exploring."

Another theory as to why Melnorme want biologicals? Maybe as a breadcrumb trail! They hire a Keel-Verenzy to drop off a trail off life forms heading towards one direction of the galaxy, and head in the opposite direction!


Title: Headline: Black Spathi Squadron on the Loose!
Post by: Valaggar on June 09, 2007, 02:44:44 pm
BSS on the loose! They're attacking our freighters, our cruisers, everything! They appeared seemingly from nowhere in the middle of the Oort Cloud... and they're gone NUTS!

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Star Trek.  Heh heh.  That system spawned one of the few humerous lines in SC3 (made by the Exquivans):
Not entirely accurate:
"It is said their exists a portion of the universe in which the differences between sentient beings are little more than forehead appliques"

Don't forget:
"We are on a five year mission, to seek out new life and new civilizations to boldly go where no... well you get the idea. We're kind of exploring."
And the Slylandro quote about their Probes: "It was sent on a 500 rotation mission!...
...to seek out new life and new civilizations...to boldly go where no
catalog item 2418-B... Remote Self-Replicating Robot Explorer Probe
had gone before!".

About the biodata... well, it's just another kind of data, like the Rainbow World coordinates and their bits of information (and technology). A trade good. No other value. They probably have someone who highly value that data and pay much in exchange, or have assigned these goods to The Captain as goods they'd like to buy because they know that he's a good source of such data.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Elvish Pillager on June 09, 2007, 03:23:30 pm
Theory... K?: How come we find the same purple octopus species on different places all over the Quadrant? The Melnorme are trying to figure out how these things do interstellar travel without spaceships.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 09, 2007, 05:22:17 pm
Who said they're the same species? If we were not to take what happens with the lander as symbolic, then the Yehat homeworld is inhabited, aside from the Yehat, by five bushes (Whackin' Bushes). And no planet has more than three species (with only five-six individuals maximum), and you can wipe out the entire life on a planet (you could argue that the capability to do so is canon, e.g. the Evil Ones... but maybe the Evil Ones stay packed in a few groups, so they're easy to track.).

They are just types of species - i.e. some species are octopus-like, others are bush-like etc.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: taltamir on June 09, 2007, 06:26:53 pm
Do they actually buy the CREATURES!

There are indications, such as when talking to the spathi or when picking up zex's monster that you are keeping the animals in cryo. But there are other indications that you are just collecting data. You get data for zex's monster, you may simply get data in raw data form from the umgah (which you can still sell to the malnum).

Most likely you capture a creature, study it, and then either release it or take it onboard in suspended animation... there is also indication that you are just collecting SAMPLES of said creatures, so you stun a few in a HEARD and then collect them... the heard disperses and no longer registers on your sensors... or maybe your sensors just detect INTERESTING life forms... notice that you don't detect any other lifeform on spathiwa except for the evil ones? notice that when visiting that thuddesh world you dont detect any life forms? or any destroyed planet? sure the cities lie in rubble due to the destrution of their civilization (which happens several times). but where are all the animals? SOME must have survived, but they are simply not unique enough to register on your sensors and be worth collecting samples of.

And those squids are merely repesentations in limited graphics of different lifeforms. They just didn't think it was practical to create a different set of alien looking things for each individual planet.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 09, 2007, 06:42:02 pm
Do they actually buy the CREATURES!

There are indications, such as when talking to the spathi or when picking up zex's monster that you are keeping the animals in cryo. But there are other indications that you are just collecting data. You get data for zex's monster, you may simply get data in raw data form from the umgah (which you can still sell to the malnum).

Most likely you capture a creature, study it, and then either release it or take it onboard in suspended animation... there is also indication that you are just collecting SAMPLES of said creatures, so you stun a few in a HEARD and then collect them... the heard disperses and no longer registers on your sensors... or maybe your sensors just detect INTERESTING life forms... notice that you don't detect any other lifeform on spathiwa except for the evil ones? notice that when visiting that thuddesh world you dont detect any life forms? or any destroyed planet? sure the cities lie in rubble due to the destrution of their civilization (which happens several times). but where are all the animals? SOME must have survived, but they are simply not unique enough to register on your sensors and be worth collecting samples of.
Of course. Good interpretation for Spathiwa lifeforms, too.
(though this stupid explanation also comes in mind: they have been eaten by the Evil Ones, and now the Evil Ones are eating each other and that's why there are only 10-20 Evil Ones left)

And those squids are merely repesentations in limited graphics of different lifeforms. They just didn't think it was practical to create a different set of alien looking things for each individual planet.
Indeed. (or they could have just made dots of different sizes and colours, but... meh)


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Zeep-Eeep on June 09, 2007, 07:06:42 pm
About twelve years ago I described the collect and sell process to my dad. His
imediate observatin was: slave trading. Maybe you collect these creatures
and sell them to the Traders, then the traders use/sell them as slave labor.

Maybe the purple octapus gets turned into a plow animal for someone?


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Elvish Pillager on June 09, 2007, 07:17:50 pm
They sell them to the Druuge! :P

That would explain why the Melnorme try to convince you that the Druuge will cheat you. They want to be that race's only supplier!


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: guesst on June 10, 2007, 12:13:00 am
Wow, what caused this thread's resurection.

My thought is you're missing an important piece of information. The melnorme are not biological themselves. The melnorme are sentient colors. Think about it, that's why their bridge changes color, and they're so reluctant to discuss it. Their weapons are color based too. So what's that one-eyed thing that appears infront of you? Two words: Meat puppet.

So now what do you think they do with those biologicals now?


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 10, 2007, 09:35:12 am
Wow, what caused this thread's resurection.

My thought is you're missing an important piece of information. The melnorme are not biological themselves. The melnorme are sentient colors. Think about it, that's why their bridge changes color, and they're so reluctant to discuss it. Their weapons are color based too. So what's that one-eyed thing that appears infront of you? Two words: Meat puppet.

So now what do you think they do with those biologicals now?
They're reluctant to discuss the purple bridge color because they are already in trading mode when it's purple, so they don't give anything for free. About the high price, it's probably a simple Melnorme trick to get much money for almost nothing (don't say that they hate unfair deals - yes, they do, but "unfair deals" in their view means deals in which the seller requests "unreasonably low prices", like the Druuge).
Don't forget that they reveal why their bridge turns blue when you anger them: "To us, blue ambience signifies a response to an unexpected threat, it shows that we are under emotional distress, and not incidentally it also lets us see our weapon consoles more clearly.". And it's "ambience", not "body color".

Also, their weapons are of Keel-Verezy origin.

Don't forget the "itchy pods" and "so easy that even a nymph could do it".

Plus, sentient colours would need a very special way of interacting with the surroundings. Also, they could probably travel without spaceships. And they wouldn't need to fight, since they couldn't be killed (too easy); plus, why don't they have cloaking technology? The Keel-Verezy seem more inclined toward colour science.

Also, they don't need a lot of data to clone some meat puppets, a single sample is enough.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Gaeamil on June 10, 2007, 09:58:02 am
Hmmm...  Maybe they take them to less stable worlds, and observe them as they attempt to colonize them, using the famous animal "sixth sense," you know, how animals will sense an earthquake before it hits?

But that doesn't explain why they'll take ZEX's Beauty's, the Umgah's or Slylandro's data.  Cloning?


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 10, 2007, 10:05:12 am
The thing is, why try colonizing? It's clear that the Melnorme don't want to live on any world, so the only reason remaining is "scientific experiments". And they seem very reluctant to get information themselves, as I said a long time ago also - they don't search themselves for Rainbow Worlds, nor do they pick up biologicals on their own.

And if it were cloning, a single sample of data would be enough.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: bien4500 on June 10, 2007, 06:04:32 pm
maybe they butcher them up and assimilate them into their species.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: guesst on June 11, 2007, 05:19:36 am
...Two words: Meat puppet.

So now what do you think they do with those biologicals now?
Also, they don't need a lot of data to clone some meat puppets, a single sample is enough.
Who says they're cloning. bien4500's got the right idea. Puppets are sewn together.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 11, 2007, 03:00:10 pm
...Two words: Meat puppet.

So now what do you think they do with those biologicals now?
Also, they don't need a lot of data to clone some meat puppets, a single sample is enough.
Who says they're cloning. bien4500's got the right idea. Puppets are sewn together.
You are making several unlikely assumptions:
  • That the Melnorme haven't discovered cloning (i.e. Genetics, which is also a prerequisite for Future Tech, which they seem to have researched several times  ;D).
  • That the Melnorme are sentient colors (while nothing suggest so except their purple bridge).
  • That they would use meat puppets if they were sentient colors (why not use audio-only communications, then? It would have also helped to make them more mysterious, which in turn would have resulted in increased sales due to an increased prestige.).
  • That the meat puppets have to be made of an organic material.
  • That you actually sell the life-forms instead of data (while the Slylandro, Umgah and VUX Beast biodata were most likely just data, not the lifeforms themselves).

The theory is attractive, indeed, but it is as far-fetched as speculating that the Chimt are linked to the Supox because they have tendrils and to the Chmmr because they have similar names and can crack slave shields.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: guesst on June 11, 2007, 04:06:04 pm
Who says they're cloning. bien4500's got the right idea. Puppets are sewn together.
You are making several unlikely assumptions:
  • That the Melnorme haven't discovered cloning (i.e. Genetics, which is also a prerequisite for Future Tech, which they seem to have researched several times  ;D).
  • That the Melnorme are sentient colors (while nothing suggest so except their purple bridge).
  • That they would use meat puppets if they were sentient colors (why not use audio-only communications, then? It would have also helped to make them more mysterious, which in turn would have resulted in increased sales due to an increased prestige.).
  • That the meat puppets have to be made of an organic material.
  • That you actually sell the life-forms instead of data (while the Slylandro, Umgah and VUX Beast biodata were most likely just data, not the lifeforms themselves).

The theory is attractive, indeed, but it is as far-fetched as speculating that the Chimt are linked to the Supox because they have tendrils and to the Chmmr because they have similar names and can crack slave shields.
You're thinking about this too hard. We're in a world where weapon damage to ships systems results in the loss of crew but no loss of ship's systems functioniality. Why? Gameplay.

Or howabout the syreen, they've been around for generations and yet still their population is sadly short of males with no adequate explination? Why? So we can have space vixens.

We've got talking plants. We've got space blobs who tell jokes. In the Star Control universe an attractive theory is it's own justification.

Here's how I justify the "Melnorme are sentient light" theory:
  • Color appears to be relevant in some undetermined way to the melnorme.
  • It would make sense that a race as interested in survival as the Melnorme would want to protect their true natures by throwing up (biological) smoke and mirrors. If you know that a creature is made of light, then a pen light becomes a devistating weapon.
  • It would also make sense that they would want to appear "like" their traiding partners. Good for business.
  • Ages ago they were one of the first to find the Sylandro, definately an off-the-beaten-path sort of physiology, suggesting they are open to alternately lifeforms. Possibly because they are one.
  • In "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" Douglas Adams describes one of the scientists who worked on the Heart of Gold spaceship as a hyperintelegent shade of blue. Douglas Adams was one of the sources of inspiration for Paul Reiche III.
  • It's an attractive theory.
Alright, alright, FF & PR3 probably didn't intend the Melnorme to be sentient light. If they had there would have been more hints to that end in the game dialogue. But this is my attractive theory, so don't go peeing in my cheerios (http://www.cheerios.com/).


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Draxas on June 11, 2007, 05:11:53 pm
Here's my wacky idea: All of those lifeforms that look the same, are actually all the same species. The Melnorme are actually primarily interested in those species alone; all others (save the unique ones, which are coincidentally important to quests) are omitted from the scanner report to help make tracking those species easier. Given that these creatures are all the same species, the Melnorme are trying to determine why they are so widespread across the galaxy (or perhaps, have a client that is purchasing the biodata that wishes to determine the answer to that mystery).

So, why are they interested in biodata from other sources? The VUX Beast and Evil Ones are each unique creatures, and are of interest for that reason alone. Or perhaps, the VUX Beast is unique in this sector of the galaxy, but more common elsewhere (since it's right on the "northern" edge, its distribution could be more dense in the area of space further "north" of us). Perhaps the Evil Ones (which are presumably constructs created by the Umgah) were created from the genetic stock of one of the other target species, which causes them to be of similar interest to the Melnorme. Why purchase the Umgah "raw" biodata, then? Perhaps it details the creation process of the Evil Ones, or contains important information on one or more of the other target species. Or, perhaps, it's too much trouble to sift through it all while it's still in your ship's logs, and they purchase it all, taking a calculated risk that there is information of interest contained within (or perhaps instead, as a gesture of good faith with their "favorite trading partner"). Why buy the Slylandro's biodata? They're gas giant dwellers. The Melnorme undoubtedly have a client elsewhere that either is in a similar situation and desperately wants to know about other races like themselves, or they have client that wants the information in order to develop an effective method of colonizing gas giants. Either way, I'm sure the information is invaluable to them.

Do they actually want the creatures themselves? Not at all. That's why you can sell the biodata from the VUX Beast and Evil Ones, while still retaining the lifeforms themselves. What happens to all those creatures in suspended animation? They're analyzed, tagged, and returned to the surface, where they can be safely disregarded, as even the most agressive creature can be avoided easily with enough advance warning of its presence. Or, if you prefer (and are of a more genocidal bent), they're ejected out of the airlock once you're done with them.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 11, 2007, 05:40:49 pm
The Evil Ones yield only 1 unit of biodata per specimen. The same amount as for the Roto-Dendron, the Neon Worm, the Merry Whumpet and the Chicken. So they're not that interesting.

However, there is a species just the same value as the VUX Beast! Yes, the Penguin Cyclops yields 15 biodata, yet is a coward lifeform, posing low danger, albeit it is a fast species. OK, but they are cyclops. Meaning one-eyed giants. OK, so the Melnorme may be giants (see "Fe-fi-fo-fum") and they are certainly one-eyed. Their feet are also somewhat less protruded, meaning that they may have evolved from the Penguin Cyclops. OK, but if someone has evolved from a species, this doesn't change that species at all. Then, it means that the Penguin Cyclops are actually derived from the Melnorme! And what makes a body green and not needing anymore oxygen? That's right! Putrefaction! The Penguin Cyclops are Melnorme zombies! (Or maybe Melnorme with "itchy pods" turn green and anaerobic and wander around) Of course, the Melnorme could have revealed this entire story to their mysterious biology nutcase clients... but they're nothing more than greedy traders. So they let them to discover this themselves.

There are also the Mysterious Bees (I think that the mysterious part about them is how they manage to use their wings to fly in a vacuum), which only yield 3 biodata, yet are probably quite useful for researching anaerobic ornithopter technology. Or they are illusions, maybe - maybe the same species that impersonates the Keel-Verezy. Sentient illusions.

Ah, and forgot to mention, the Merry Whumpets are probably zombies of Melnorme nymphs, however they only yield 1 biodata because the Melnorme clients have almost finished their research in that area.

Oh, there are also Fungal Squids, which are probably leftovers from failed Precursor experiments for creating Mycons.

The Goo Burgers are probably Dramya devolved by the Melnorme as a punishment for stealing from them. "You don't see too many Dramya around these days" - you see them, but you don't know they're Dramya.

And who knows what mysterious past the other species have...


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Holocat on June 16, 2007, 05:06:26 am
I think they're trying to raise the 12 million credits required so they can figure out why the heck their bridge turns purple.  ;D



Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Gaeamil on June 22, 2007, 09:50:49 am
I think they're trying to raise the 12 million credits required so they can figure out why the heck their bridge turns purple.  ;D
lol, that's just silly.  But hilarious.  Wonderfully hilarious.

@Valaggar: I assume that you also found that planet?  There was one I found (near Umgah space) that was a vacuum, but bio-rich.  Only found one so far.  Perhaps it's oddities like that that the Melnorme are looking for.  And I like the thought of the penguin cyclops-Melnorme connection!

And wait.  Earlier you said "It's clear that the Melnorme don't want to live on any planet."  Where'd you pick that up?  The only mention the Melnorme make about their living arrangements is that they're new to this region of space.  Nothing about not having a homeworld, or not wanting one or any colonies.  So my "sixth sense" idea is still in the running.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 22, 2007, 10:49:33 am
@Valaggar: I assume that you also found that planet?  There was one I found (near Umgah space) that was a vacuum, but bio-rich.  Only found one so far.  Perhaps it's oddities like that that the Melnorme are looking for.  And I like the thought of the penguin cyclops-Melnorme connection!
Actually, there are a lot of unlikely combinations between the planet scan data and its inhabitants. The hottest planet with life is Alpha Circini 5, with 1281 degrees centigrade...
It's all because there's no connection in the pseudo-random planet generation algorithm between other factors and life - the only thing that influences life is the planet type.
Not that the Melnorme care from where you have get your biodata, anyway...
(As to the penguin cyclops-Melnorme connection, the idea is not entirely mine. A long time ago, in a thread far, far away, Art said something similar about those cyclops - more exactly, that they are degenerate relatives of the Melnorme,  see this post (http://uqm.stack.nl/forum/index.php?topic=1571.msg22141#msg22141), search for "ominous")

And wait.  Earlier you said "It's clear that the Melnorme don't want to live on any planet."  Where'd you pick that up?  The only mention the Melnorme make about their living arrangements is that they're new to this region of space.  Nothing about not having a homeworld, or not wanting one or any colonies.  So my "sixth sense" idea is still in the running.
It's not completely impossible, of course, but after they lived for such a long time as nomadic traders, they seem unlikely to abandon their lifestyle. It usually happens with Earth cultures as well as sci-fi aliens.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: waywardoctagon on June 23, 2007, 12:27:03 am
Not that the Melnorme care from where you have get your biodata, anyway...

We don't know that for sure... they could just be scanning the ship's logs every time they pick up biodata.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Valaggar on June 23, 2007, 08:47:38 am
No, I mean that they offer the same amount of Interstel Credits no matter from where you have caught the animals.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: waywardoctagon on June 23, 2007, 10:00:58 am
Oh, right.  Just like they give you the same number of credits no matter how many of the same type you've already given them... possibly.

They might still care, though--they just don't value biodata from one place over another.  They might use the location data to sort it, or chart it, or something, so it could still be important to them.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Gaeamil on June 23, 2007, 11:52:42 pm
Here's a thought.  What if your ship can only do one sort of test per specimen, before it dies and breaks down?  Then you do different tests on each one for a little data each time.  As for the Evil Ones, you lie to the Spathi about still having them alive.  ZEX's Beauty?  Unique, so it gives a lot without any tests.  But as for the price or why they want them, I don't know.

Perhaps the different amounts of data received depends on the creature's resistance to death, as opposed to stunning.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: waywardoctagon on June 24, 2007, 01:08:59 am
Perhaps the different amounts of data received depends on the creature's resistance to death, as opposed to stunning.

Hey, there's an idea.  So the more they can wring out of it, the more it's worth.

"THIS ONE'S USED UP.  GET ME ANOTHER." XD


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: Gaeamil on June 24, 2007, 02:32:26 am
Mostly, yeah.  But I had thought that the Captain was the one doing the tests, and selling the Melnorme the results.  But your idea's good too.


Title: Re: Why do the Melnorme want biologicals?
Post by: guesst on June 24, 2007, 05:44:28 pm
Perhaps the different amounts of data received depends on the creature's resistance to death, as opposed to stunning.

Hey, there's an idea.  So the more they can wring out of it, the more it's worth.

"THIS ONE'S USED UP.  GET ME ANOTHER." XD

Hey I like it. Although, I'm more for the idea of them actually wringing them out.