The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

Hello everyone!

I (like everyone else reading these forums) am an avid fan of SC2 and would like to more about the story and how it progresses.  I have become interested in reading the latest threads about the deal behind the Orz, Arilou, Androsynth, etc.  A lot of the posts refer to story elements from the *grumpy* SC3 game and I was wondering if it was worth picking up and playing through just to get some more of the story?

Back to whoopin' up on the Kohr-ar...

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Still remember being taunted by the box for SC2 before christmas and seeing that really cool grey ship with a ring of fire surrounding it!  Little did I know that I would soon be playing my favorite game of all time!

Your signature/quote thing seems to appear twice. Might want to take care of that.

As for SC3, play it if the box is sitting right in front of you but don't go hunting for it. You aren't missing out on much. The difficulty of that game is almost non-existant and you have to do an awful lot of sitting around waiting for fuel.

I am probably putting my head on the chopping block here, but the game was decent.
NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD. But decent. Like temple of doom compared to the lost ark. There is a list out there that lists everything that went wrong with the game. Everything on that list I remember I agreed with.  The game could have been better but they decided to do a half ass job. The story which I think came from the original writers is interesting but if you don't follow a walkthrough you will bore yourself to DEATH.

I at least half agree with Bioslayer. It wasn't a horrible game, although it certainly wasn't that much good either. The story points were at least mildly interesting, and some of the voices were quite good, like the VUX. However, the game engine itself is more than a bit flawed, which took most of the fun out of the game.

So do play it if you happen upon it, it'll kill a few hours. Just don't expect it to be anywhere near Sc2. Also, if you ever try to motivate any thought of yours on this forum with Sc3, you will proably be flamed to a crisp, unless you start your own specific thread for it.

Found the list it is here
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/sc3/sc3www.shtml

If you are a huge fan of SC1 and SC2, then I say go for it.

Its a decent game on its own, not even taking into consideration Star Control.

I agree with above, don't pay more than 5 bucks for it....

Taking into consideration Star Control, its not a worthy sequel to SC2 IMHO but does propose a lot of *interesting* conclusions and what ifs to the things we all wonder about in SC2.

Save. A lot. The event engine is buggy and if you accidentally leave the system at the wrong time, well, you could conceviably make it impossible to win by not sticking around for a triggered event you were supposed to have (ship approaching. Suddenly, you disappear! Oops, game over for you but you don't find out)

I agree.  Definitely play the game--it proposes a great many answers for question in SC2.  It's interesting to see how the designers of this game thought the story MIGHT go.  But do save a lot.

* remember to shut off your speakers first, unless you want to feel the wrath of disguesting MIDI music!

I still can't believe they sunk so low as to put MIDI into a game, and a supposed successor..

The MIDIs were fine on my machine, but that's because I'm a MIDI composer and I had them running through my synthesizer through the external MIDI ports.

Anyone have copies of the MIDI files?  I could convert them to MP3s with all the new sounds and they might not sound too bad.

its worth playing for the voice acting, if nothing else =)

The Orz, especially.  Best voices ever.

I dont know, I think SC3 had a good idea with the whole fuel/counter thing, and no hands-on-mineral mining. It may be just me, but i thought it was pretty cool, the whole eternal ones idea.

I recently re-played Star Control 3 using a walkthrough.  Mainly I did it because I never beat the game the first time because I was so disappointed by it when it first came out.  I must say, it is fun to see some of the better Alliance members as puppets, and to hear awesome voices (such as the Orz, VUX, etc...).  And you know what, some of the new races were original... I liked the Doog and the Xchaggers most of all, they seemed at least a bit more original than some of the others.  And the crushifying power of the K'Tang is funny to admire.

I'd say the game is worth playing, but I wouldn't buy it if that's possible.  I mean, it's probably not worth it to shell out some cash, but it is cool to see the Orz and listen to all their *frumpy* glory.

You know what sucked A TON about 3? The Syreen!!!!  I mean come on now. In 2 the were super-babes, i mean jeez. In three their bald psychos that totally flip out whenever u try to tell them they did something wrong. THAT SUCKED. They were total hotties man!

I think the Syreen reactions to any accusations you make are reasonable -- after all, from their PoV, they did right. There was no tactful conversation option available for you to use.
(that itself is a problem...)

Though I'm not happy with the syreen representation, since their puppet looked like she had just survived falling off an express train.

may not see this, who ever requested it, but I do have the SC3 midi's, actually they weren't midi directly, they were xmi's or something, though there's not much diffrence, personally I liked only 3 of the SC3 tunes. Namely the Arilou theme.

Actually, SC3 was decent in my eyes. What *really* put me off was the fact that you fiiiiinally get to the end of the game and you are greeted by the ending movie:

20 seconds of various ships flying up, spitting out bubbles
into a larger bubble, and then the larger bubble disappearing.

I have my SC3 CD somewhere, still, but it's probably (hopefully) lost to the ages of time.

For any of you that say SC3 wasnt good, you might wanna stop smokeing that tainted crap, SC3 was Just as good as SC2 only with better graphics and a little diff gameplay, but I suggest if you can find it Get it ifyou havnt played it ..

IMO, SC3 was a decent game, but not even close to be as good as SC2. That's why I hope for another sequel to rise up instead of SC3.

BTW, I liked the SC3 voice acting much more then the SC2 3DO (and now UQM) voice acting.. :)

Well, the SC3 acting did have a lot more funding behind it... Sc2 acting is good, if you take into account their low budget, even though a few of the voices are annoying...

I've got the cd, I know exactly where it is, and decided to reinstall it and give it a try, since UQM had me in a starcon kind of mood.

After a few minutes of playing, I remembered exactly why I hadn't actually played through it a second time ever.  It's bad.  Graphically, the melee is just bad.  Just bad.  And there were bits the designers obvious just didn't get - like the Spathi in the game, if you look at it, it's entirely too normal a design - 1 pod front, 4 pods out back.  The whole point of having the pods in the first place was to confuse the enemy, and that kind of makes it obvious.

The gameplay is an awful lot of wait for fuel, wait some more, warp to a system, DOH, it's empty, warp back, wait for fuel.  In case you decide to increase the number of colonies to lessen your waiting time, you discover that you get to wait for landers too, to start colonies, and you get to wait for the crew to reproduce so a colony means something.  It's a lot of waiting.

The worst thing is that you never manage to feel personally involved like you did in star con 2.  Your colonies do all the mining, your research team finds half the important stuff in the game themselves, your mothership is un-upgradeable, so you don't get the nice fuzzy feeling from being able to afford those last 2 shiva furnaces.  Instead, you get the warm fuzzy feeling of doing a lot of waiting.  For those brief moments when you do get into a fight to break the monotony, you find that your motherships primary weapon is useless, but the point defense system is an autoaiming gatling cannon of doom.  And then you get a doog, and fighting becomes almost worse then waiting.  

It has it's moments, sure, but if you go in expecting a step forward from starcon 2, you'll be in for a nasty suprise.  A few of the lines are well done, and the voice acting is very good (though I feel the good voice acting is offset by the huge hit in character the puppets give.  No style to them.  A starcon 2 pkunk looks...well, a bit loopy, while the starcon 3 one looks like an ostritch)

If by some miracle, you found it on the shelves of your local game store, and you felt patient, it might be worth picking up to talk about the story with the few people who won't shout at you that it never happened, lalala.  But, if it actually obtaining a copy requires any more money or effort then getting a value meal at your local mcdonalds would, then you're much, much better off with the value meal.

Wow, I didn't know I was smoking crap... if you like smoking human fesces, that's your problem...  just don't accuse me of doing it.  :P

I do not admit SC3 is an awful game.  I do admit it is nowhere near as good as SC2.  That fact that you would say the two are equal makes me laugh hysterically.  I guess you must enjoy waiting hours for something to happen and the patchwork of a crappy storyline thrown together too quickly.  This is the only explanation why you could say that an amazing game such as SC2 is equal to its ill-conceived sequel.  While I see the benefits of SC3, I feel sorry for your corrupted soul and your corporate-fed influences.

Star Control 3 wasn't a bad game in my opinion. It sure as hell wasn't a fitting sequel to SC2, but it wasn't horrible. I even liked some parts of it. The Xchaggers were pretty neat and I actually got a bit of a laugh over what the Precursors turned out to be. I also kinda liked the fact that the Precursors sometimes screwed up which led to problems like the Mycon and such -- the flaws made them a bit more real in my mind, rather than some godlike race that could do no wrong.

That said, I can't recomend SC3 unless you can get it cheap. It's simply not that good of a game to spend more than ten bucks on.

SC3 is fun. Not SC2 fun, but still fun. Plus, the Spathi, Orz, and VUX voice actors in the game are GREAT. :)  I like most of the new races too... a lot of their ships suck, but the races themselves are cool... especially the K'Tang, the Harika/Yorn, the Xchaggers, the Doog, and the Daktaklakpak.

My favorite races were the Daks (GAHHH!), VUX, Orz, Utwig, K'Tang, and Spathi. The voice acting was superb, although the VUX dialogue just didn't sound right to me.

I must say I enjoyed everything about the Ultron quest though, except where the Lk were concerned. There were even some funny lines. "Where I come from we say 'Thank you' when someone restores our long lost dieties."