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Title: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Defender on March 15, 2003, 10:04:50 am
im starting up a new game (again!) and im going to be keeping a record of the planets with life that have extreme temps, earthquakes, little to massive atomospheres ect...

im just wanting to see what the worst planet has to offer with still being able to carry life.

please post your findings if you like. ;D


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Shiver on March 15, 2003, 10:36:14 am
Do overly hostile lifeforms count? Because the planet with the VUX beast might be the most hostile if you can't find anywhere with a seriously hostile climate.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Voldenuit on March 16, 2003, 04:20:30 am
From the SC2 Resource pdf:

Hottest world with life: Alpha Circini 5 at 1281 degrees

Man, that's hot!


NB IIRC, SC2 uses metric units, so that would be 1281 degrees Celsius (if they were using SI, then they should have used Kelvin). 1281 Celsius is about 2,300 Farenheit. I don't use Farenheit so that is a meaningless number to me. But I remember that the corona of the sun is about 10,000 Farenheit, just cause it was a nice round number. There ya go.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: OHHDEAR on March 16, 2003, 10:50:52 pm
The beast planet and ZEX's planet are something pretty fierce.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Death 999 on March 17, 2003, 07:12:42 pm
The photosphere of the sun (the part that gives off all the light that we see) is 4,000 Kelvin, or about 3700 Celsius.
The Corona of the sun (a very thin layer of gas just outside of that) is around 1,000,000 kelvins
The core of the sun is around 20,000,000 kelvins.

"But how did the corona get so hot???"

Atoms which are sitting out alone in high vacuum are very inert - they do not have a way of losing energy, since it's all translational kinetic. The energy they get is being pumped into them by the sun's magnetic field's rotation.

Meanwhile, in the photosphere, the gas density is high enough that atoms can collide, and when they do they typically emit light. But an atom out there alone can't emit light (unless it was in an excited state to begin with, and since its high velocity doesn't lead to excited states, this reemission does not cause a loss of temperature).


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 18, 2003, 09:26:51 am
I know a place on Sol-3 which is gonna be another hot-spot in this darn-universe of ours... Check the real life, and you will feel much *better* (ORZ-style).


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on March 21, 2003, 02:58:30 am
mercury, hehe at the beginning


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Death 999 on March 21, 2003, 09:32:29 pm
mercury lacks life...


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on March 29, 2003, 04:40:16 am
o yea, sorry


Title: Enough already
Post by: Shiver on March 29, 2003, 04:53:20 am
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I know a place on Sol-3 which is gonna be another hot-spot in this darn-universe of ours... Check the real life, and you will feel much *better* (ORZ-style).


German Nightmare, cut it out. We've all heard your opinion on the war seemingly thousands of times, and I'm sick of it. Every time I open a topic, I find that you've somehow managed to defile it with your view of how the Gulf War II is armaggedon. This is a Star Control 2 forum. At the very least, keep this nonsense in your own posts.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Defender on March 29, 2003, 04:56:02 am
there is a planet in the pkunk sphere of influence but for the life of me i cant remeber the stars name. the solar system has many planets with (green dotted orbit lines). any ways, the closest planet of that orbit has...(edit this when i get the chance)~DEFIANT


Title: Re: Enough already
Post by: Death 999 on March 29, 2003, 05:10:01 am
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German Nightmare, cut it out. We've all heard your opinion on the war seemingly thousands of times, and I'm sick of it. Every time I open a topic, I find that you've somehow managed to defile it with your view of how the Gulf War II is armaggedon. This is a Star Control 2 forum. At the very least, keep this nonsense in your own posts.



Well, he beat me to it... I was just going to say that Sol 3 is the most dangerous planet in teh whole galaxy in general.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: GermanNightmare on March 29, 2003, 04:37:46 pm
Okay - guess I won't be posting anywhere any time soon then.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Death 999 on March 29, 2003, 10:07:43 pm
So, in another direction, we could consider the Slylandro homeworld to be very hostile since we can't even land there. Yet there is definitely life.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Lukipela on March 31, 2003, 02:12:45 am
Just out of curiosity Death_999, I just have to ask.

I must have read a thousand threads by now where you give out all sorts of numerical values, and statistics, and scientific theories. I'm just curious, have you actually managed to cram all of this into your head somehow, or do you go and make careful research about it before you write your post? Just curious...

GN, you could always vamooze over to the PONAF forums and post in their off-topic section whenever you feel the urge...

And just to make this post at least a little topic related, I found that Pluto was surprisingly hostile, at least for a little while...

EDIT: I believe that the Ilwrath homeworld is probably the most hostile world with lifeforms in the quadrant. I mean, it's filled with Ilwrath!


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Death 999 on April 01, 2003, 02:52:40 am
Having pursued a degree in physics for four years... well, you pick these things up.

Pertinent info for the sun (what I mentioned in this thread) was memorized  during an astrophysics course. I don't remember going out and looking things up for these boards more than once, but I have a good memory for numbers. And back of the envelope can get you a long way if you just remember a few critical pieces of information.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Death 999 on April 01, 2003, 09:08:38 pm
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I believe that the Ilwrath homeworld is probably the most hostile world with lifeforms in the quadrant. I mean, it's filled with Ilwrath!



Hmm...
If you want to know about hostility, let us tell you about Culture Twelve!
Culture Twelve was SO hostile that while they were on their way to their first great battle Jugkah, the battlemaster, stepped on Gnusko the tactician's foot, causing him great pain.
The annoyed Gnusko turned on his battlemaster, Jugkah, and sliced his body in half!
This miffed Jugkah's troops who took it upon themslves to murder Gnusko and his elite troops. The REAL trouble started when now-dead Jugkah's master sergeants Muuhd and Pudt started arguing about how to kill Gnusko -- simple crucifixion, or the slower `Lead Tatoo' technique. The argument was resolved when Muuhd and his five hundred troops were slaughtered by Pudt and his gang.
Well, this probably all would have gone down in history as a great day of learning for Culture Twelve were it not for the surprise arrival of Culture Twelve's original enemy, the Yajag and his cronies who wiped out Culture Twelve's army, thus beginning the long and glorious Culture Thirteen.
SNORT! Now THAT'S hostility!


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on April 01, 2003, 10:49:51 pm
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Okay - guess I won't be posting anywhere any time soon then.


No, I take it back. I would much rather talk about this right now since it seems to be preoccupying*spelling* everything i suppose. So what is it you want to say that you haven't said already?


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: GermanNightmare on April 01, 2003, 11:35:40 pm
Well, I guess I won't post in "foreign" threads and keep changing the subject. Sorry about that - I can understand why it angers people!
Right now, I just feel very weird: Sorry for all those soldiers of both sides who lose their lives, those civilians who die, sad about the whole situation, angry for not being able to change it... No harsh feelings, but I don't think the U.S. government really knows what it's doing right now.

As for the real topic of this thread: When my lander didn't have those shields, every planet with those frogs got really dangereous fairly quickly - outmanouvering earthquakes is one thing. Getting away from those frogs while doing that was near impossible.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Lukipela on April 03, 2003, 03:02:38 am
I agree completely. Tectonics are fine. Creatures are fine. But both at the same time, and you just know your gonna take a lot of damage.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 16, 2003, 09:54:03 am
Ignoring the jokes about Earth...

I've seen a planet with life and with tectonics 8, and I remember thinking how screwed up the plant life must be on that planet, given how hard it is to remain rooted.

Forget exactly where it was, I think it was near Pkunk space.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Defender on April 16, 2003, 10:56:21 am
thanks, ill go check it out.
mr sulu, set course 50 mark 50 warp factor 8, engage!
(that was cheesy)~DEFIANT


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: ScreamingTemporalDoom on April 16, 2003, 03:09:36 pm
Alpha Pavonis, the planet with the Ur-Quan wreck, seemed to be pretty hostile and have life on it. Hotspots, Tectonics 5 or 6, Weather 4...


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 17, 2003, 01:28:24 pm
Actually, I don't think there is any significant Weather activity on Alpha Pavonis.

Of course, as always, I could be mistaken.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Omni-Sama on April 18, 2003, 10:43:35 pm
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Of course, as always, I could be mistaken.

And more often than not you are...   :P


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 20, 2003, 04:29:35 am
If I am, I apologize; I certainly don't mean to load you guys up with a lot of false facts. *rolls eyes*


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Omni-Sama on April 20, 2003, 09:49:39 am
Hehe.  If anyone does not want to feed unsuspecting newbies of false SC2 information, it's yours truly.  If you guys want to find the most hostile planet with life in the galaxy, it'll take alot of time and effort to find it.  After years of searching, I found a turbulant little planet orbiting a big yellow star called 'Sol'.  It was the third planet, blue with a lifeless moon and the native aliens were frightening at first glance.  Do not be afraid, however... for they are easy prey, even for your primitive little laser bullets.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 20, 2003, 09:55:59 am
I'm not entirely sure what the point of finding the most hostile planet in the galaxy with life would be.

But then, this is coming from the chick that wants to round up all the exotic mineral worlds in the galaxy...

But for the most part Omni, I think I do feed the newbies reliable information.

On a side note, I'm sure even the Kohr-Ah (or the Captain with his lander) can't extinguish all life on a planet. There's always going to be microscopic fungi surviving *somewhere* on the planet to eventually repopulate the planet---in a few billion years. (*rolls eyes as she ends up quoting Ian Malcolm from the Jurassic Park book*)


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Omni-Sama on April 20, 2003, 10:07:22 am
I think it's neat to think about what the most hostile conditions a "semi-sentient monster alien" could live in.  I mean, could biologicals really exist on a planet with extreme temperatures, or constant lightning or seismic action?  It would interesting to find out if some creatures could really survive the elements.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on April 20, 2003, 10:33:40 am
Life can most definitely survive on a planet with Weather 8, Tectonics 8, and temperature above boiling.

In fact, lightning is actually a good thing for life... kicks all the chemicals in the environment into action and helps form proto cells.

Heck, that's how some scientists theorize life came onto Earth. There's an experiment in Life Science that involves taking completely sterilized water and completely inorganic compounds, and exposing it to electricity, and you get protocells that simulate life processes within a week.

But all rooted/sedentary life is going to have to be pretty damn resilient... Tectonics 8--- that's absolutely insane, given Earth's Tectonic rating of 2, and how bad the quakes get here sometimes. And the mobile life will have to be pretty darn resilient as well. I imagine sea life (if they had any) would be pretty healthy, though.

There are some amazing microscopic life forms even on Earth though... some of them can survive insane amounts of environmental abuse of all sorts.


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Defender on April 21, 2003, 12:06:01 am
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Hehe.  If anyone does not want to feed unsuspecting newbies of false SC2 information, it's yours truly.  If you guys want to find the most hostile planet with life in the galaxy, it'll take alot of time and effort to find it.  After years of searching, I found a turbulant little planet orbiting a big yellow star called 'Sol'.  It was the third planet, blue with a lifeless moon and the native aliens were frightening at first glance.  Do not be afraid, however... for they are easy prey, even for your primitive little laser bullets.

newbie? wheres the newbie? ready the laser guns. kill the newbie, rip out his life force! rise up aginst the newbie threat. destroy, mame, kill! ah... i feel much better now. newbies indeed ::) im no newbie, im just... well... im... ok im a newbie...not!

but on topic, i wrote this post for something for the people whove beaten this game a dozen times over, something new to do. im not too worried if no ones interested, after all ive havent been looking in to it much myself. too busy with work and all to play much. just read and post ~DEFIANT


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: captain_kirk on May 08, 2003, 10:02:49 am
something with big bugs.big lizards. cave aliens with big clubs. plants that will eat man or beast or spray something
a living evil  planet with a face evil goes system to system
eating other planets i guess this evil has a name Zeadod


Title: Re: what is the most hostile planet with life
Post by: Planet_of_death on May 08, 2003, 10:49:32 am
 I got this nickname from playing star control on the genesis with a friend. We would build our ship of choice, then jump stars until we had that ship loaded with as many precursurs as we could find. Then fight to the death.

In  one battle, he had a mycon loaded with a few dynamos but no thrust power, in a previous battle, he managed to destroy my ship of choice.

 I chose a Chenjesu ship to fight the last battle against his Mycon. Only thing I could do was try and keep away from him, and build as many doggies as I could. Somehow my doggies trapped him, and pushed him against the planet, holding him there so he could not move. And you know what happened next.

We ended up calling the planets in star control 1 "planets of death". That battle was so hard to win I just yelled in victory. He got angry and stomped out, but later returned laughing. Funny how I can remember something that happened in a game nine years ago.

Games seemed better then...I hope to someday witness the return of star control to best all the crappy games currently in release, or being planned.

Edit: So much for memory, I got the Chenjesu confused with the Chmmr. Doh..