The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

The black Ur-Quan won the war.
And now they starts to kill everyone.
What can I do?  Please tell me.

is there an end video when the Kohr-Ah circle reaches Earth or does it just say game over?

I think the Kohr-Ah send you a transmission after they take down the starbase.

Attention human!
This broadcast is to inform you of your defeat.
We, the Kohr-Ah, have destroyed all the sentient species in this region of space and now we have eliminated the Starbase orbiting your planet Earth as well.
Your efforts to resist us are futile.
You are defeated!


Answer your question?  ;D

ahh..memories.

Personally, what I like to do at that point is snatch the Utwig bomb, and go to Procyon, and use it.

Destroy the Chmmr??? Why?

The whole, "oh, we'll help you in 35 or so years. Just sit tight until then."

Kinda gets my blood boiling.

Actually come to think of it, it's not Procyon that's my favorite place to do that at; it's Epsilon Gruis 1.

You can activate the bomb on your own?

In the PC version, you most definitely can.
The screen flashes white, and you are sent to the game menu selection screen.

Not too happy with the Spathi, eh? The race I'd most like to do that to is the Druuge, but stealing 1000+ fuel units is satisfying enough.

Well, you know. They basically say, "You guys can all rot, we don't give a damn, as long as we're safe."

That's my way of sarcastically saying, "Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more."

Though with my luck, the shield would probably repel the whole blast. *rolls eyes*

Oh well, good old Kohr-Ah. Always so dependable.

You know, it somewhat bothers me that the kzer-za are capable of making a completely impenetrable shield, (well, mostly impenetrable anyway) powerful enough to cover an entire planet, yet don't make any for those expensive ships of theirs

Yeah uhm... that would kinda suck for the player.

Unless it used up battery of course.
Then it'd be far too powerful...unless it gave up fighters!
Hrmm... if the Yehat Terminator used fighters instead and the Ur-Quan Dreadnought used shields instead... that would be quite cool!

Hrmmmm, ok sure, but dont forget the Spathi also learnt how to use this technology... I dont think it would be adaptable for ships. When the sheild was removed from earth it took some time to dissapear. I imagin the amount of energy it would require is insane. Dont forget these shields stop EVERYTHING, including communication.

And Primate, it wouldnt be cool at all :P The AI is far too good with sheilding. I found the Yehat to be THE most difficult race to fight against {and the Utwig}.

I hate the damnable AI and it's cheap shield techniques.
Gee... I wish I could *see* a laser bolt in mid flight, calculate whether or not it will hit my ship, and activate my shields, all before I'm hit by them. *rolls eyes*

I'm not the most patient melee fighter... or even the most tactically-advantaged... or even good at melee at all, for that matter.  I'm pretty impulsive when it comes to pushing the trigger button.  That's also why the Terminator and Jugger seem to tear any ship I'm flying to pieces, no matter how hard I try for them not to.  I guess there are some little tactics you can use to improve your odds of winning, but I seem to have ignored them altogether.

There's also the fact that you sometimes might tear yourself away from the game long enough to realize that if you were to invest the effort in becoming an excellent melee fighter, then all your hours of training and practice would result in you only being able to say that you're an accomplished melee fighter in a DOS-based game that was made over a decade ago.

Shhhhh... I wouldn't say that out loud here!  A lot of the people on these forums have devoted their entire lives to mastering the tehcniques of the super melee!  Don't tell them SC2 is just a game!  It would shatter their self-esteems, or lack thereof...!!!

This is true, but then sometimes you grow past that and accept the realization that really, what else ARE you going to do with your life? Everything people do is a diversion to distract them from the fact that their lives in and of themselves are really boring. Watching tv, going to the movies, playing ping pong, playing video games, playing computer games on the internet with other people, building models--- most people spend their entire lives trying to pass the time in frivolous ways.

Once you accept that, and are peachy with that, then you can go right back to spending endless amounts of time trying to become an elite supermelee fighter on a game that was released a dozen years ago, and you can do it without having your world fall apart around you. :P

Wow.  That was really depressing...  I'm going to go dig myself a hole out in the woods and sit in it for a while.  While I'm there, I will cry and think about the worthlessness of my life.   :'(  How could I spend so many days and nights doing homework or watching reality TV when Star Control II has always been there for me?  Why couldn't I be there for SC2 when it needed me most?  It was always there for me.  I'm so bad at melee, and it's all my fault!  If only there was a way to turn back time, so that all the free time I ever had could be filled up by supermelee...  if only I could right the ship that went so wrong long ago...  *sighs*   :'(

*rolls eyes, and then pats reassuringly*
You're young, you're only 17.
You've still time to turn your life around.

Just buy an espresso machine and learn to function without sleep, and devote your life to SuperMelee. After about six months you might start to feel like you've caught up on most of those wasted years.

Yeah, quadruple espressos can really do wonders for your flying abilities. Even the computer has trouple hitting a caffeine crazed pilot who hasn't slept for a week...

As for life being boring... The most important thing to rememeber is that even though ones life might be dull, mediocre and mundane on the outside, it's what's on the inside that matters. Look at my mind, or GM's. Even though we may do the same boring stuff as everyone else (eat, sleep, study, work and so on), inside our minds, there are only bright fireworks and happy shiny colours.

yes, that is really depressing. The way I see it though, there's no such thing as wasting your life. Playing ping-pong and going to the movies are not ways to pass the time. That is life. Monks spend their entire lives in search of inner peace, sometimes going for weeks just staring and sitting in one place. There's no argument from me that what they're doing is a waste. As long as what you are doing makes you happy, isn't that all there is to it? If you don't like what you're doing, then, yes, you might say you are wasting your time, but only the time you could have used to be happy.

Well as they say... Smelling the colors is the best game...

Hehe.  I was being sarcastic, by the way.  I love life.  There's no where else I'd rather be...  well, because there's nowhere else I could be.  But ignore that.  I was just thinking about how every bleeding second in my life could have been consumed by Star Control 2!  But alas...  I guess we can't all be perfect.

You guys are going waay off topic here  ;D.
How soon do kohr-ah defat ur-quan? I remeber that one of  of my games ended like that when I was playing the old sc2 years ago. Is there something in the game that influences how fast the war is over? I think I remember someone saying that it would be dependent on the technological level of the player's precursor vessel, but I'm not sure. Or is it at some pre-fixed year? What do you think?

As far as I know, the Kohr-Ah defeat the Ur-Quan at a certain date, but this date can be pushed back a year or two by decreasing the Kohr-Ah's numerical superiority (i.e. killing thousands of them). You can't really do this by yourself; you'll have to get someone else to do it.

Quoting yourself now Omni? That's a sign of... well, it's a sign of soemthing that's for sure. As soon as I've figured out what it's a sign of, I'll be back. I only pray to god that it sin't too late by then...

As for the Kohr-Ah vs Kzer-Za, yeah, it's a prefixed date that can be pushed back a little, just like novus sais. UIt has nothing to do AFAIK with the level of technology on your ship, you can't actually destroy the entire fleet on your own. It'd be just a tad unrealistic...

Well, such things have been done before in real life... like the two frigates the British sent to China took out their entire fleet. Okay, it's two ships instead of one, but you get the idea.

True, but then again, I doubt there were as many chinese ships as there are Quans. Also, a large squad of Quans should really have very little trouble taking out your ship, assuming they can work in groups. You aren't really that much better than they are. They could proably organize the battle a bit better than the chinese as well, due to better communication equipment.

It'd be interesting, if one could set up the TW engine to include a mothership of ones likning, and battle 4 or so Quans at the same time, with new ones warping in all the time. As a side note, I used to play this with two "Alliance" teams, one Thrall team fighting with one Kzer-a team and one Kohr-Ah team all on it's own. Even a just a Kzer-Za and a Kohr-Ah bearing down at your ship at the same time makes for a hairy situation. Of course, you didn't have a mothership in that...

That has *got* to be quite painful.
Especially if they know how to act in concert with any degree of efficiency...


Launch fighters, launch fighters, launch fighters... line up minefield of blades on other end.... either you run through the fighters or you face double side swipe of fried... coupled with a barrage of ion bolt blasting..

That'd be the ultimate wear of attrition. Enough Kzer-Za to launch SO many fighters that your batteries can't keep up for the PDL, and you get shot to bits. Ouch. Or surround you in a sea of shurikens. Or sphere.

...do not trifle with the Ur-Quan, filth.

I agree. Those bugs are serious about what they do. And good at it.

Returning to the topic I have to say that there is no wodner the humans fighting role wasn't the largest, no matter that they surely helped production greatly, and bolstered the Alliance fleet. I mean just look at the Dreadnought. I don't care how many people can take it out with an Arilou or a Shofixti around ehre, in an actual fleet combat situation they would simply have ripped us all to pieces. I doubt even the Chenjesu could have stood against that menace for long. They were able to halt them for a while, yes. but in the long run? even without the Sa-Matra the Kzer-Za would've flattened us.

And of course, against the Kohr-Ah I doubt we'd have even managed to slow them down.

True, the Star Control history always read as if Humans were a 'pity' member.

It is kind of a fresh take though. It's nice not to have humanity be the saviour of everyone else. Well... excpet for in SC2, but I always imagined thta my captain was an Umgah in disguise... Judging form my comments during conversations with potential allies, he must've been.

Well, the human role was based on precursor tech, not human tech...

I believe that cruisers would be even more dangerous en masse than dreadnoughts are. How many starbucks for a cruiser? 10. How many starbucks for a dreadnought? 30. Three cruisers at once against a dreadnought is a one-sided fight.

Of course, the Quan fleets have already been built, which reverses the numerical advantage.

You get the illusion that if three Earthling Cruisers were to stumble upon a Dreanought, there would quickly be some backup for the 'Quan.  Not only would the Cruiser's bad speed keep their ships in easy striking range of the ion cannon, but it would be easy for ships to either surround or flank the old bucket of bolts.  I don't know whether or not the Cruisers would move in big fleets to support themselves, but their speed and tactical disadvantages more than make them easy prey for the 'Quan to munch on.

I shudder to think what almost a hundred fighters swarming  several Earthling cruisers would be like...

heh, if they were all closing in simultaneously, then a single press of the special would zap them all at once. Wow. that would be alot of PDL beams... :)

I think It'd kinda short out the battery.... When you'r out of juice, your out of juice, as we usde to say back in the old days...

So that's what the Orz meant by squeezing the juice.... not enough PD laser to wipe out Orz Marines...

And yes, you might catch two or three....but what about the other 97...

... THOUSAND!

HAR HAR HAR.

Look -- talking about reinforcements is outside the question. I said that three cruisers against a Dreadnought. Now, if you want to have reinforcements for the Dreadnought, then consider the possibility that the cruisers would have reinforcements as well.

Also, remember that Dreadnaughts are intended to go and conquer planets on their own. Very independent. Not much in the way of reinforcement, eh?

Also, that "cruiser's low speed" argument doesn't accomplish much -- one Dreadnought can't chase three cruisers successfully, because they can split up. It takes a considerable time for a cruiser to be caught by a dreadnaught, and in the mean time the others can be scattering a bit (staying in MX missile range). Suppose the dreadnaught survives long enough to nail the first cruiser (likely). Then while it's chasing down the second one, the third one (which hasn't even been bothered this whole time) is able to finish it off. One cruiser cancelling with a Dreadnaught is serious.


As for the massive numbers of fighters problem, I have to stick with the cruiser there, so long as the any-number-of-targets rule holds true. Have a cruiser sit in front and keep down the point defense. It will kill far far more than 18 fighters before it's eaten alive. More, if it when it has been damaged, it can retreat behind another cruiser and become a part of the bombardment team.

Well, if we are going more realistical on this questions, then we should probably note that in this particular battle, the cruisers probably do not have an unlimited amount of nukes. Also, in the real world a Quan might use his small fighters safely detonate the nukes before they get close, like the Chmmr do. This way, he/she/it could take out three crusiers without breaking a sweat.

Of course, this doesn't apply to gamespace.

Not to mention space doesn't wrap around in a square, planets aren't slightly larger than ships....

I thought they needed that long to combine themseleves?

*mumble* It has something to do with needing help right NOW instead of 30 years from now.

But the Spathi try to do that to you, too. "Ten, fifteen years tops." Feh. They welsh out with the whole Slave Shield thing too.

*narrows eyes*

my first time i messed up
and the kohr-ah started there kill when they got to the ilwrath
you would think the wrath would have kicked but

you think? I mean, the ilwrath gets into range, shoots, and is FRIED. Twice. And we're talking what, tens of thousands of Marauders? The ilwrath would be eaten alive. not to mention they've been spending months trying to kill them damn thraddash, who can just run away.

fuu.