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I have been thinking a little about archetypes, and it seems reasonable that we have evolved some archetypes. We can of course create stereotypes by inductive reasoning, but some stereotypes seem to come from instincts or biological evolution. Here is a map of some archetypes I think come from our instincts or biological evolution:

(https://i.imgur.com/YU4zWaZ.png)

The "Sage" archetype seems to be the only archetype that only humans have. The other archetypes seem to be common also in many other mammals.

There are a ton of others. Why did you pick these?

Also, that reminds me of another hexagonal diagram I saw once.
In this case, the vertical axis is introversion, with extroversion on the bottom.

	Twilight Sparkle
Applejack		Fluttershy
Rainbow Dash		Rarity
	Pinkie Pie

I don't necessarily think there are so many others. I mean, we can probably make an almost infinite about of stereotypes, but I don't think we are genetically preprogrammed for so many stereotypes (or archtypes). These I think have a high likelyhood of being genetically preprogrammed.

In the paleolithic era, when humans evolved, we lived in quite small communities. In these groups, there probably was one "alpha male", and maybe one "wise old guy (sage)". Women were of course involved in rasing the children (caretaking).

When an alpha male gets old, it is usually challenged by a younger member of the community. Therefore I put the challenger there. Young fertile women that hadn't had kids yet, were temptresses.

Here is a new version:

(https://i.imgur.com/7MACXww.png)

I am thinking that many of the presidents of today, might be appealing to this desire for alpha male leaders. Putin and Duterte seem to appeal a lot to the innate desire of humans to have an alpha male to rule their societies. I would also argue that Germans think of Angela Merkel as a caregiver. They probably got a bit sick of alpha males after Hitler.

I have also started wondering if it is wise to just have one person ruling a society. If we elected 3 individuals (one alpha male, one caregiver, and one sage), then they could make decisions democratically in the government. It might be more balance between the sexes in such a system. Because of this idea, I have now included this on the page about governance and criteria for a healthy democracy: http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes (http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes)

BTW, I have now made all the sections and subsections in all my articles into anchors, that can be linked to directly. This makes it really good when I am discussing with people, because I can now link directly to where I have written about whatever we are discussing.

Since I don't need the "infant", "temptress", and "challenger" archetypes in my government, I decided to remove them from the diagram. Here is the new version:

(https://i.imgur.com/sOHXn7m.png)

http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes (http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes)

That seems possibly overly prescriptive, and highly speculative.

I don't understand why people think it is such a good idea with just one guy at the top, especially after the election of Donald Trump. In this system he would only have the position as alpha male. 1/3 power. Same for Putin and Duterte.

Also, many of the countries that have elected soft power leaders now, might be in danger from Putin and countries with hard power leaders. This is one of the reasons why Hitler had such success in the beginning of World War 2.

Too much femininity (soft power) is also not necessarily a good thing.

I added this venn diagram and this proof:

(https://i.imgur.com/15BaEXk.png)

http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes (http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes)

The US already has a system in which the president has carefully limited powers. The presidency isn't even Article 1. Congress is nominally supreme.

Well, they keep ceding power to the president, but the division of powers like this seems a lot more comprehensible than some personality quiz based thing. Do they have different powers and responsibilities?

I completely agree. Actually, standardized tests are likely to promote conformity, which is the opposite of what I am trying to promote in my educational system. So I have removed that part now.


I have now added this text:

(https://i.imgur.com/4UH4N38.png)

http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes (http://www.archania.org/governance/#A_democracy_with_more_balance_between_the_sexes)

Also, just wanted to say that I have now converted absolutely everything I have on my website with my own latex2html script. I converted the page about Bayes Theorem (http://www.archania.org/theorems/bayes/) and the Diversity Prediction Theorem (http://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/) today.

BTW, does anybody know how I can make Google better at linking my images to other similar images on the Internet? Google mostly seems to link my images to other images from my own site.

https://www.google.no/search?q=site:archania.org&source=lnms&tbm=isch (https://www.google.no/search?q=site:archania.org&source=lnms&tbm=isch)

I made a new illustration for the diversity prediction theorem:

(https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/we_can_see_more_by_combining_different_perspectives.png)

https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/ (https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/)

BTW. I am horrible at drawing things. Nobody else wants to try to draw this?

(https://i.imgur.com/oW2on9u.png)

For those of you that are unfamiliar with the concept of mindfulness:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindfulness)

Ummmmm. That is not the impression of Juffo-Wup I got from meeting the Mycon.

Probably could be Juffo-Wup itself, the Mycon are just too obsessed with Juffo-Wup that they don't respond correctly unless it somehow seems to interfere with Juffo-Wup (according to them)

Also. Check this video about fungal intelligence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxn2LlBJDl0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxn2LlBJDl0)

(https://i.imgur.com/RplJPmB.png)

Here is the Gorilla experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo)

I am thinking that if there actually were ghosts that couldn't interact with us except for visually, we probably would have evolved so that we couldn't see them, because they would only distract us.

The funny thing is that I actually encountered something like a ghost one time I used psychedelics, and serveral times when I used to have sleep paralysis.

Visual art producing psychedelic effects

For individuals that have no experience with psychedelics, but want to get an idea of what it might be like, some types of art can generate visual effects that are similar to psychedelics. Staring at the animation below for a while seems to generate somewhat similar visual effects that last for a few seconds.

(https://www.archania.org/mysteries/art_producing_psychedelic_effects.gif)

The animation seems to work by sending visual information to your eyes which causes your perceptive system to believe it is perceiving the world incorrectly. As your perceptive system adjusts itself to the unnatural object, you start to perceive everything else around you incorrectly. Reconfiguration of the perceptive system seems to involve the 5HT_2A receptor, which also is stimulated by psychedelics.

https://www.archania.org/mysteries/#Visual_art_producing_psychedelic_effects (https://www.archania.org/mysteries/#Visual_art_producing_psychedelic_effects)

Or, an alternative explanation:


You can read more about this theory, in this thread (http://forum.uqm.stack.nl/index.php?topic=7109.0).

Doesn't work for me. Reminds me of Idle Revolution, though. On the other hand, I've managed to have somewhat psychedelic experiences by just staring at the ceiling for long enough, so maybe I'm desensitized to that stimulus.

I have written more about the female archetype, which seems to be unique to humans:

(https://i.imgur.com/schxceg.png)

Miiiight be. It's a 'just-so story' as evolutionary biologists have long ago learned to be wary of, since they so often turned out to be false.

It can probably be proven that you can make many such fibers, which will make it much more difficult for such predators to bite you. If you also had a stone weapon in your hand, you could probably get rid of a cheetah almost by yourself. A few humans working together with such armors and stone weapons might even be able to get rid of lions.

This would have been extremely advantageous. You could, for example, steal food from other predators, and prevent other predators from stealing food from you.

And yet, just because something could be used for something useful and we ended up with that thing does not mean that is why or how we ended up with that thing. That is exactly the problem with just-so stories.

Are these moving graphics animated Venn diagrams?  :)

They don't intersect in anyway do they?

The only other Venn diagram I have is this one:

(https://www.archania.org/governance/venn_diagram_of_ruling_body.png)

Which presumably describes a more efficient way to govern a society than a system with a single president because of the diversity prediction theorem:

(https://www.archania.org/governance/mathematical_proof_for_the_benefit_of_a_diverse_ruling_body.png)

https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/ (https://www.archania.org/theorems/diversity/)

The diversity prediction theorem might also be used to argue that a person with high Juffo-Wup is better at predicting than a person that is high in only intelligence, scientific understanding, or mindfulness. At least if it can be proven that these are somewhat independent traits which all contribute to predictive capabilities.

(https://i.imgur.com/jYOvCcy.png)

I am now thinking that maybe Yuval Noah Harari has such good predictive capabilities because he has high Juffo-Wup. He claims to be meditating 2 hours a day. That should give him mindfulness. He is a professor in history. That has given him some scientific understanding. He also seems to be reasonably intelligent.

Many scientists have intelligence and scientific understanding, but they lack mindfulness. Therefore they are not as good as Harari at predicting. This all makes sense to me now....

I want to discuss something related to this forum, i am new here and i want to know the rules of this forum. Can anybody tell me about this?

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