The Ur-Quan Masters Discussion Forum

I came across this board by pure accident (while trying to find a download for the game), but since I'm here, I've always watned to know:

1) Why does the Melnorme bridge turn purple?

2) What happens if you ever defeat a Melnorme?

I never got enough credits to find out or defeated a Melnorme in battle (according to my best recollection).

Thanks!

Well, Noone knows why the bridge turns purple for sure, and noone ever will. It's not even in the game code.

As for defeating it in battle, when you encounter Greenish again, he complains about it, and calls you a few names, but I think you can trade with him again.

I described in detail in another thread you can find if you look - however, here's the Condensed Version:

1) First kill - he says some mean stuff and you can apologize.
2) Second kill - he says you can make up if you give him "reparations" - defined as all non-essentials on your flagship.
3) Third kill - you get the option to either fight or leave - trading goes bye bye.

the druuge ask for melnorme ship metal
but i guess you got to go around space
kill all melnorme for there ship metal
but if you did that you will not get the neat hellborn cannon

... how...
No word exists to describe how evil that line of reasoning is.

And if it scares the Kohr-Ah, the rest of us should be shaking in our boots...

It's this kind of shit that has us cleansing the galaxy, you know.

what's wrong with a little evil?

Evil, even a little, tends to lead to the Dark Side sooner or later, which isn't necessarily a good thing. In fact it tends to be rather the opposite. Kind of an evil thing really. Although in my darker moments I do have to admit that the Kohr-Ah have a splendid vision. No greed, famine or suffering. Just the cool emptiness of space. With them as guardians, the purity and simplicity of the Universe would be assured almost forever...

As for why the bridge turns purple, to quote meep-eep:

i know blue is so they can see there controls better
orange means red alert
purple means trade mode

The Kohr-Ah are hardly evil. They simply wish to press for equality. Reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator as you will. They're the epitome of order in a maelstrom of intolerable galactic chaos.

Go to the Pkunk if you want to know the relationship of 'good' to 'evil'. Or better yet, for true evil, try and sit through a conversation with the Druuge.

... unfortunately, to them the lowest common demoninator is the individual atoms. Not to restart the good'nevil debate here, but in my mind, the result counts, sometimes (but not always) more than warped intentions of purity.

for true Evil, listen the Utwig whine ;) That'll make you shed tears and pull your hair...

Sorry, but enslaving / 'owning' thousands of people is certainly a heck of a lot more 'evil' then killing billions (or billion's of billions).

The Kohr-Ah are just so friggin' paranoid. They were slaves for the Dynarri and they want it to never happen again. So they made a conclusion. Kill everyone so no one can slave you again. Simple?  ;)

I'd rate Ilwrath and Druuge to be the "bad guys". Ilwraths are religious fanatics for the twin gods Dogar and Kazon (did I get them right?), gods of something-evil-can't-remember-what.

And Druuge are just wicked capitalists. Fanatics and capitalists. Yay!

I disagree.

First of all, slavery is reversible; slaves can be freed. Death is not.

Second, killing billions is a lot worse than killing thousands. Of course, this depends somewhat on exactly which people you kill, but wiping out entire civilisations is certainly heinous by any standard.

Third, even a slave can have a meaningful life, if he/she/it is treated well enough, both physically and psychologically.

By this line of reasoning the Kohr-Ah are the nastiest people around. The Kzer-Za actually seem quite decent due to the degree of autonomy they allow their slaves; most of the 'fallow' slaves appear to be free to do whatever they like within the confines of their own world as long as they stick to sufficiently primitive technology. The fighting slaves only need to accept that the Ur-Quan make the large-scale economic, political and military decisions. For an individual, this is pretty much like any other dictatorship. The Druuge end up somewhere in between due to their habit of recycling their surplus work force as fuel. Also, it is unclear how well the Druuge treat their workers.

umm, the Orz are evil too.
And those freakish arilou... sneaking around is always a bad sign - so, yep, definitely evil.
The Vux and Thraddash are evil too.
The nice thing is that they are all DIFFERENTLY evil.
every race represents a different aspect of evil (excpet those races which represent a different aspect of "good").
Evil is what makes them so compelling.

I meant the exact oppisite.  I left out a 'not' or messed up the order or something.  Yep I agree with you, I was disagreeing with Ms.Kohr-ah over there =)

Ah, that makes MUCH more sense now.

Oh. I thought you were one of those American "give me liberty or give me death" nuts and started ranting. Sorry. ;)

Sigh. It never ends does it? Whine whine whine. 'Oh boo hoo, we don't want to die. The price of galactic peace isn't worth it. Boo hoo.'

You'd think at least one or more alien races would be a little more accepting of what needs to be done. But noooo, the lot of them just HAVE to be a bunch of selfish buggers. *rolls eyes*

Orz = Evil. FF & PR3 were totally planning on making them an enemy in future UQMs.
VUX = Heirchy Battle Thall who don't like humans. Not necessarily evil, just hate the humans. And they put the "ug" in ugly.
Thradash = Heirchy Battle Thrall with a different cultural style than us. Again, not necessarily evil. But they do smoke, and if they ever do it with children around I'll be willing to call them evil.
Arloo = Good! They are totally the good guy. Yeah, they sneak around. So what. When you see them and talk to them they'll give you the portal spawner if you only get the parts for them. It's not a "this-for-that" situation because they're getting nothing in return. They are freeley giving you more freedom of movement. That can't be evil. Arloo good.

arilou gain a lot from you.
first you are about to get the quans out of their hair (umm... they don't seem to have hair... well... whatever...)
Then, you present a race that is a good source for testing and breeding.
And finally, if they were not nice to you, how would you listen to their haughty advices.

And if SC3 story is true...

I don't think that 'true' is the right word to use. Whether or not it ends up canon, it's still fiction
;)

Actually, I don't think that the Ur-Quan pose much of a threat to the Arilou, so the rationale that they need you to dispose of the Ur-Quan for them is suspect.  The only reason they fought in the war against the Ur-Quan was to help out the humans.  Once the humans could no longer be helped, the Arilou went back to Quasispace where the Ur-Quan could not reach them.

It's possible that the Arilou really are just nice.

It confuses the human races when we are given something without something being asked in return--it's not in our nature.  We reject it, or become suspicious of it.  But the Arilou don't have human nature--they're aliens.  Perhaps it IS in the nature of the Arilou to treat humans thusly purely out of the goodness of their heart?  Perhaps it's even expected, in Arilou society?

Of course, then, why just the humans?  Perhaps we are the only friends the Arilou have in a cold, lonely universe...

The Arilou are evil or good. They are just trying to survive. Because they had to flee into quasispace they are dying, so they found the humans. They took their genetic code or something so they will survive in quasispace. Play Sc3

;D LOL
at least you can make them stop whining eventually :)

SC3 is fan fiction.  Nothing that happened in that game truly happened in the UQM universe.

Preferably by letting them be eradicated.

What I wrote is about the arilou, in sc2, sc3 and uqm. You just find out about it in sc3. Play sc3, then you will understand why there isn't sc4.

Glitch is right. Paul and Fred didn't make SC3, some people at Accolade did. The story therein contained is complete bunk in the eyes of any Creator-respecting fan.

No, the point is, any information from SC3 is not considered valid. That includes claims that SC3 makes about events during SC and SC2 and human history and prehistory (and needless to say, the events of SC3 themselves are discarded).

Ok, say whatever you want >:( , but even IN sc2 (Uqm) you get clues about the arilou, and it clears in sc3.

Just a question, why should I keep this game after i finished it? I had sc2, it was good so i wanted to see the upgrade(Uqm). Except the fact it is better, the story didn't change and there isn't internet super melee. Any reason to keep the game? ??? ??? ???

I am afraid i will have to erase it... :'(

The deal is, this program runs on modern computers. Unlike SC2. Also, it's free.

I agree that the Arilou are not exactly transparent in their motives. While there is a special arilou-human connection, I am inclined against the idea that it is one so simple as spare parts.

Remember, Paul and Fred, the original designers, did not design or plot out SC3. It was created by Accolade.

Which does NOT mean that every point made in SC3 must be bad.

Actually, it was created by Legend Entertainment.  Accolade just paid for it.

Legend was actually full of Star Control fans, but how can you measure up?

Still, you didn't answer my question. :-/ Is there going to be a new story or something like that?!?! It is getting boring to kick everyone in the super melee with 3 yehats and a pkunk.... ;D

At least add super melee in the net! That will be fun. ;)

I am pretty lazy. Please give me a link.

RTFF! (read the freaking FAQ)

No need for that, already find it alone. Thanx for the help anyway.