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Title: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: certainliquids on July 10, 2020, 01:57:34 am
I know Fred and Paul have said that Babylon takes from them, but I cant find anyone pointing out the episodes or plots or what have you.
Anyone know what this is about?


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: Kohr-Ah Death on July 10, 2020, 11:04:51 am
Vorlon are green
Shadow are black

HyperSpace is red with black gravity wells indicating an exit.

That's all I could think of off the top of my head.


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: Elestan on July 10, 2020, 06:34:37 pm
I know Fred and Paul have said that Babylon takes from them, but I cant find anyone pointing out the episodes or plots or what have you.
Anyone know what this is about?

I believe the origin of this was here (http://"http://fastcat.org/starcontrol/CreatorsChatBasic.txt").

The idea of a super-tech precursor race ("first ones") is common to both.


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: Krulle on July 11, 2020, 10:22:55 pm
Quote from: https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Influences_and_references#Notes_and_references (https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Influences_and_references#Notes_and_references)
3From the 1998 IRC chat with Toys for Bob (Fwiffo is both Fred Ford and Paul Reiche III here):
<Manta> Fwiffo: Has anyone ever brought up parallels between Babylon 5 and Star Control?
<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 causes a certain amount of stomping around the office screaming.
<Fwiffo> Babylon 5 steals from us. We steal from known space.
<Fwiffo> And Larry in known space steals from others.

That post on Matrix and SC2 got me thinking

has anyone noticed the extreme similarity between Babylon 5 and SC2

in Bab 5 you've got 2 ancient races the Vorlons and the Shadows.

The Vorlons ahave green ships and believe in order and obedience

The Shadow have black ships and believe in chaos and survival of the fittest

these two races rest for control of all the younger races.

I wonder which was made first ?


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: certainliquids on July 13, 2020, 02:18:05 am
Ok thanks.
perhaps when urquan3 comes out and if it gets more attention this might become an embarrassing truth to the show makers.
Tho fred and paul have said that the next game will be aimed more at those from the urquan masters. So maybe not so much mainstream attention


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: TheVidmaster on January 03, 2021, 02:27:54 pm
As much as I respect Fred and Paul, they have not invented EVERYTHING in Sci-Fi. In fact, being sci-fi-nerds, they should be familiar with the concept of parallel evolution.
One of my favorite authors, Alistair Reynolds, wrote once that all good authors steal, or let's call it, are inspired by something. Fred and Paul were certainly inspired by what came before.
There is no embarrassing truth in existence here. Your argument mirrors the senseless debate between StarTrek and B5 fans some 20 years past.

SCII is really really great  :). But it is not the pinnacle of all Sci-Fi nor is it the alpha & omega of all creative writing.

oh, and by the way:
Vorlon are green
Vorlons are yellow  ;D


Title: Re: What is the correlation of ur-quan and Babylon 5?
Post by: Krulle on January 19, 2021, 08:14:34 am
Vorlon ships are greenish..

Vorlons are non-corporeal.

I just copied an old post I found.