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I am curious as to way there was no mention of any wars with the Druuge during gameplay. It would seem that their constant snubbing would eventually highly offend a brutal, less intelligent  race. Do you think there ever were any wars with the Druuge? Their circle of influence seems to be almost as large as the Kohr-Ah and Kzer-Za's.

Now that's a nice idea for a sequel :)

The druuge would tend to avoid war as much as possible.  It's not good for buisiness, and they want to trade with other races.  Why get involved in a war and get your expensive slaves killed, and your expensive starships blown up?  It's rarely profitable.

I imagine a sequel could have a very interesting scenario where the remnants of the kohr-ah fleet retreat toward druuge space, where they came from, and a struggle breaking out.  Probably have the Kzer-za retreat towards betelgeuse, but get repeled by syreen and pkunkhats, then towards draconis and right into the thraddash-ilwrath war.  The kzer-za will be pissed.

It seems that the Druuge, bastards as they are, took care not to enter wars.
We don't know much about their deals with other races, but when they sold the Ultron to the Utwig, the Ultron told the Utwig that the Druuge don't really want the Precursor bomb, but a lot of other junk. Instead of blaming the Utwig for breaking the deal, and risking war, the Druuge decided to take the junk and leave.
I know it's a different situation when the Druuge cheat someone, but I guess that when they don't have a choice they would rather compensate their angry clients before getting into a war.

The Druuge do do things that would cause war...like lurking around Zeta Hyades.  Like attacking you when you claim your rightfully given item from the Utwig.

When you really get down to it, though, it IS their bomb. They were never paid the agreed-to compensation for it in the first place, so the Utwig posession of it was invalid. Still, you do use it for a better purpose than they would have, probably...

Attacking and cheating a Human captain, when the rest of his race is stuck under indestructible shield probably won't start a war.
Now if earth weren't under the shield, then they would've treated you differently ;)

Come to think of it, it wouldn't be in the Druuge's best interest to help you defeat the Ur Quan and Khor Ah.  In my mind, it would make it harder for them to acquire slaves.  In a free society, slavery is (usually) looked down upon.

By the way, UAF:  Good choice of an icon. ;)

Right, that's what I meant. I don't think some of you understand my question. Just because it is unprofitable to have a war, sometimes it is unavoidable. Was there ever anything mentioned in the game, or possibly on PONAF about the Druuge and any wars.

I don't think I ever saw any mention of the Druuge and wars.

P.S: Thanks OldSkoolGamer, I really like your icon too :)

No in game mention of any druuge warfare.  Most of the game's conversation indicate other alien races were at least civil towards the druuge.  The Utwig and the Burvixeese both seem to have had non-violent relations with the druuge.  

I'm sure the Fruuge would go to war if no other course was available to them, think Kohr-Ah coming. But in any other case, I agree with ASpathi, there's no profit in losing trading relations and getting blown up.

True, the Druuge seem to strike me as corporate sharks and black marketeers, trying to get the upper hand by wheeling and dealing and being sneaky, rather than overt aggression. War is bad for their business I imagine, unless of course it's not them that's directly involved. (In which case they would make quite a killing in the arms market I'm sure.)

I imagine unless the stakes were absolutely worth it, (like a bomb capable of destroying an entire planet, which would give them tremendous 'stick' leverage in the carrot and stick approach with trading with other races) they wouldn't commit themselves to an overt act that would result in war.

Even with the space bomb at stake, they were VERY careful about how they attacked and why.  And even then, they asked you to let them have it before they attacked.

While the bomb may be worth fighting off a single human "thief" and some support ships, it sure as hell wasn't worth going to war with the Utwig over.

The Utwig would crucify the Druuge in a war. Even if they do have fewer ships.

Yeah, that's kind of the point.  The druuge know this, and so they don't start any wars.  They only attack people who won't or can't attack back, or ones who they expect won't survive.

Hmm.. yes they probably would resort to paying the race money over going to war. But what if it is a race that either has taken being cheated too hard, and become extremely violent, (Probably a race of a lower thinking mind, and is too angry with the Druuge to accept conpensation), or has no use for money or Precursor artifacts in their environment? There would be no way the Druuge could avoid war. The way I see it, if the Druuge keep up their streak of cheating and snubbing of other races, they're bound to come across a race that fits either of these catergories. Then again, I suppose the Druuge would try to avoid war with them at all costs, assuming they know a little about the race they're trading with.

Remember the Burvixese?  The Druuge seem to have a way of eliminating their enemies and controlling their friends.  As they say, keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer.  When the Druuge wanted to get rid of the Burvixese, they just called the Kohr-Ah to clean up the mess.  Even if the Druuge got involved with a war, I think their attempts to strangle supply lines and economic ties would help them weasle their way out of unnecessary, unprofitable conflict.

They didn't "call the Kohr-Ah to clear up the mess" because they wanted to get rid of the Burvixese... They just wanted to prevent the Kohr-Ah from finding the Druuge themselves, after being warned by the Utwig.  The "getting rid of the Burvixese" part was just a rather unfortunate side-effect.

True, but the fact remains that the Druuge are potentially crafty enough to find ways to subvert schemes involving their own extermination at the hands of an obsessively violent and unbribable race. The inevitable  2160 Kohr-Ah cleansing notwithstanding.

I assume the Druuge also run some sort of risk analysis of each race they deal with. I think it is safe ta say, that they would be much more careful in cheating, say the Traddash or Ilwrath, than they would be putting one over the ZFP or Spathi. With some races, they are probably completely straight, as even one mistake could be far too costly.

And just because the Druuge try to avoid a war, it doesn't mean they'd be unable to fight one. I imagine that if the Crimson Corporation found itself in a situation where the only way out was battle, they would act swiftly, and wiith a LOT of force. Thus they would ensure a swift return to a more profitable status quo. After all, a fleet of Maulers is not to be laughed at.

...of course, after they won, I imagine they'd also insist on 'reperation from the defeated party for the loss of financial resources due to the war, and the compensation for lost income incurred to the Crimson Corporation'. The alternative being, of course, fed to the furnace...

Oh, and don't forget, 'compensation in the form of monetary fees for the costs incurred in the replacement of key personnel within the Crimson Corporation'.

On a brighter note, I am moving to Waterloo-Kitchener on Tuesday (I'm going to be in Omni-Fot's neighborhood! Prepare to be cleansed!) and probably won't have net access there, so the lot of you can probably breathe easy (for a couple months anyways) at not having old topics resurrected anymore.

Or being spammed by erroneous 'Primat facts'.

To cite an  obnoxious race we all know, HALLELUJAH! Peace at last.

Seriously though, take care, have fun and don't hurt Omni (too) bad if you ever meet.

Wow, that was pretty cool, you broke down my seemingly complex response into a couple of posts. Good show!  ;D

Anyways, the only reason i'm really responding to this thread(which is getting real old), is because I'd just like to add that the Druuge getting rid of the Burvixese, although it was in self-defense, was a rather cold and deceitful thing to do was it not? This just proved what sort of cheating devils the Druuge are (literally). Another option to the whole, be at war with the Druuge thing, is if a bloodthirsty, aggressive, easily pissed off race is close allies with a race that has been cheated by the Druuge and forced to spend a lifetime in some sort of agony, or has been wiped out completely? I dunno, whatever, no need to respond to this if you dont want to. ;)

Like I sadi, the Druuge probably make an EXTENSIVE check of the race in question, and also check wether there are any other races nearby who might ally with this race and bring it on.



How many races spend a lifetime in agony? if you are thinking of the Quan, it doesn't really aply, cuz the Druuge will have to fight wether they cheated, say, the Mycon or not.

And if a violent and psychopatic race that needs no further excuse to go to war than that their friends have been cheated exists near one of the Druuge trading partners, they probably know and checked it out.

Also, I doubt the Druuge have committed genocide more than that once, it was a special circumstance. Killing your customers is bad after all.

I dont mean agony from their point of view, that is to say, not agony that the race themselves are aware of. Like the Utwig I'd imagine are in a state of agony. Being totally posessed by the will of the Ultron. Whatever it says, they do. And if it is destroyed or lost, well..you know the rest. I'm not positive, but their is a probable chance there are other races that have gona through the same thing.

but, whatever, this is a dumb topic anyways.

were they in the last war
i dont think they are from the zeta persei i think they showed up after the war never  i never heared of them till star control 2
i played star control 1 there where not in it
i think they are from some place else off the map
i think they just started there colony  trading shop

Well, look at the map that came with SC2. There is a circle labelled "Unknown" way off on the side. That is, btw, the map from the time of SC1. So they've been there at least that long.

Interestingly, their main planet is not their 'homeworld' but their 'trade world' or some such. Of course, that could simply be due to their corporate-centeredness.