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Title: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: guesst on May 18, 2003, 11:18:52 am How often do you get into impossible match ups? I don't mean ones that you're going to lose. I mean ones where noone can win?
Like Yehat vs Spathi Arloo vs Ilwrath ZFP vs Umgah or anyone vs a comp controlled Arloo (Darned warp) Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Slylendro on May 18, 2003, 04:46:14 pm Quote How often do you get into impossible match ups? I don't mean ones that you're going to lose. I mean ones where noone can win? Like Yehat vs Spathi Arloo vs Ilwrath ZFP vs Umgah or anyone vs a comp controlled Arloo (Darned warp) spathi can win a yehat. just dont use butt missles arilou can win an ilwrath too. just warp back and hit&run ZFP vs Umgah? emm i dunno what's the difficulties here.. imo the stinger actually has a range advantage, and fast so he can get himself out of the backwarp. but this match isn't IMPOSSIBLE as for my opionion the real IMPOSSIBLE matchups is like Arilou* vs Mycon Mycon vs Yehat\Utwig* Eartling vs Chmmr* Spathi* vs Umgah Spathi* vs kohrah(vs AI) Mmrnmrm* vs Utwig vs "awesome" comp, an utwig can easily win every match against kohrah, kzerza, and chmmr Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Eran Mekhmandarov on May 18, 2003, 06:16:58 pm The fact thats its easy to win, doesn't mean its impossible for the other side to do so. Of corse this depends if your aponent is human or not.
"Arilo VS Mycon": If he's human, they can try and surprise the careless Arilo pilot with a plasmoid when he's in front of him, since they're quite fast on a small scale. "Mycon VS Yehat\Utwig": Try ANY ship aside of Shofixti against AI Yehat. They can put on they're damn shield 23 damn hours of the damn day! "Mmrnmrm VS Utwig": Who can't win here? If your Mmrnhrmm VS AI Utwig then you can just shot missils until there's no shield left. If your Utwig then you use a planet warp and fill your batteries when the stupid AI fires lasers at you, though its not easy, Its not impossible. Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on May 18, 2003, 11:00:22 pm That's a real good question, because there are so many.
Stinger vs Avatar Cruiser vs Avatar intruder vs Fury Podship vs Fury Scout vs Avatar Scout vs Dreadnought Scout vs Jugger Scout vs Skiff Jugger vs Broodhome Maurader vs Blazer Trader vs Molar Avenger vs Nemesis Podship vs Nemesis alot more Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 19, 2003, 12:46:27 am Anyone with medium range and speed cannot be beaten by the Vux without a really lucky warp-in.
EG: Spathi, Supox, Earthling, etc... Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Captain Smith on May 19, 2003, 12:53:06 am Although there's a few "no-chance" matchups, usually you have to get good at the ship and actually try the matchup. I keep finding I can put a serious dent in anything else with anything I have if I just try it and try to be good with the ship. A lot of it is melee skill too - if you want to improve that, there's lots of suggested matches in this board, but the good starter is either Arilou or ZFP (you) vs. Mycon.
There's always a way if you look for it....and shocking wins. My latest is actually beating a Chmmr AI ship (at full power) with a Mycon. A lot of it too is patience...I have a hard time with that, so in a way knowing I can win is enough on some things (like Spathi (me) vs. Chmmr...I can win everytime but it takes 10 minutes to do so :( ) Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Captain Smith on May 19, 2003, 12:59:22 am Quote Anyone with medium range and speed cannot be beaten by the Vux without a really lucky warp-in. EG: Spathi, Supox, Earthling, etc... Earthling I agree, but I can routinely beat a Spathi or Supox with the VUX...at least with the AI. That's kind of a problem with talking about "impossible matches"....they may be impossible for you but might be quite possible for someone else (of course if you consider the AI there's some stupid things it does, but I always thought the Spathi and Supox were pretty well programmed). Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: captain_kirk on May 19, 2003, 04:23:05 am Quote a really neat trick when you go get talking pet from the umgah and when you fight them use the arilou skiff hide under the south pole with the skiff you know stay near hug planet and when umgah ship goes by fire danger ( becarefull of falling rocks) :o :o :o i think it works with 3DO joy stick does a computer have a joy stick like 3DO had Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on May 19, 2003, 06:23:13 am I forgot one. Never go up against a Broodhome with a Molar.
Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Death 999 on May 19, 2003, 08:27:52 pm Quote I forgot one. Never go up against a Broodhome with a Molar. Incisors and canines are much better, yes. As far as the actual question is concerned, though: Arilou vs. Earthling provides some SERIOUS problems for the Arilou. Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 20, 2003, 12:36:05 am Quote Incisors and canines are much better, yes. As far as the actual question is concerned, though: Arilou vs. Earthling provides some SERIOUS problems for the Arilou. Makes you wonder how they "examine" the earthlings so easily... Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: JSB on May 20, 2003, 03:35:12 pm Quote Makes you wonder how they "examine" the earthlings so easily... I don't think they 'examine' the earthlings by attacking armed starships... Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Fsi-Dib on May 21, 2003, 03:47:47 pm The ONLY impossible fight I can make up is Earthling vs. Chmmr, when it has all satellites on place. But even then, there is a slim chance (A VERY SLIM) to win one but would take too much patience ... (try to shoot the satellites, and get speed from the planet). Well, okay. Mycon vs. Yehat is quite impossible. :P
The others like Slylandro vs. Ilwrath, Mycon vs. Utwig, Arilou vs. Mycon etc. are not impossible, some are just hard, some are easy. (Arilou vs. Mycon is easy.) After having a conversation with my bro there are other almost impossible matches: Umgah vs. Avatar, VUX vs. Ur-Quan, Chmmr vs. Utwig and ... with Shofixti almost everyone is a tough one. ;D Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: guesst on May 22, 2003, 12:45:42 am I haven't seen any impossible match ups. Everyone's listed matchups where one side over powers the other. I started this thread thinking about where neither has the advantage. Aren't there a few matchups like that?
Earthling Vs Spathi or Mycon vs Syreen Sure, you could win one side or the other eventually, but it takes forever. Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Death 999 on May 22, 2003, 01:40:29 am Mycon vs Syreen is HARDLY an even fight. Not impossible, but hardly even either.
Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: guesst on May 22, 2003, 01:47:26 am Quote Mycon vs Syreen is HARDLY an even fight. Not impossible, but hardly even either. Favoring who? Who'd win? (in your opinion.) I've always had a problem with the combo because the plasmoids are too slow to catch a syreen, but the syreen is too slow to get around them, plus if she gets close enough to draw out crew or shoot they mycon generally has enough time to regenerate. Title: Re: Which ships do you NEVER use against whom? Post by: Death 999 on May 22, 2003, 04:50:16 am The Syreen has a strong edge, if the captain has figured out how to get the Mycon into immediate range. This is a bit of a trick, but there are ways. Note that the Mycon are actually at a disadvantage if they slingshot for extra speed, since this means the syreen can loop around and get close from a direction it is unsafe for the mycon to retaliate in.
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