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The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release => General UQM Discussion => Topic started by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 20, 2003, 12:41:59 am



Title: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 20, 2003, 12:41:59 am
Some people here seem to think that "they" are going to re-make star control 3 and completly ignore the one that was made...

I did play SC3 and although the gameplay needed serious improvement, puzzles were way too easy, and dialogue not nearly as enjoyable as SC2... The plot was still pretty good, IMO anyways.

So what is the deal? Are they actually going to make another game in this great series? Will it be after star control 3 or will they just ignore star control 3 and make a new sequel to star control 2?


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Death 999 on May 20, 2003, 12:43:17 am
The general theme here is "IGNORE"


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on May 20, 2003, 04:13:41 am
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and dialogue not nearly as enjoyable as SC2...

hmm. I liked the dialogue in 3, the K'tang are probably the funniest race in the known universe.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 20, 2003, 04:20:50 am
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hmm. I liked the dialogue in 3, the K'tang are probably the funniest race in the known universe.


Oh ya, I forgot about those guys!


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: LordJim on May 20, 2003, 06:32:59 am
Ignoring the game is by far the right way to go.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Defender on May 20, 2003, 06:49:39 am
the game was pure crap! (sc3) it lacked everything that sc2 was, is, and always will be. i would rather see a well done sequal, with sc3 as the *unofficial* title, then see trying to fix what trash sc3 was, by making sc4. imo ~DEFIANT

but hey if you like crap, please by all means, take all that you want. ::)


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 20, 2003, 07:01:21 am
No matter how bad you thought SC3 was, the only question that matters is "how was the plot?"

The plot/storyline is the only thing that will matter if they decide to make a SC4 game.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Lukipela on May 20, 2003, 05:05:10 pm
And most of us here thougth the plot wasn't really that good either.  It ignored parts of the SC2 storyline, took liberties with tohers, and was in general, not that great. The game was interesting to play, but most people here do not really consider the plot of SC3 to be "canon", or in eany way relevant to the SC universe. An explosion big enough to rip a hole in time? Jeez...


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: guesst on May 20, 2003, 06:37:15 pm
In the end, the next sequel will probably not be StarControl 3. SC3 is owned by accolade. It will probably be called Ur-Quan Masters 2 or some such and it will defonately ignore the Accolade owned K'tang, Ploxis, Green Mycon and all others.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Death 999 on May 20, 2003, 08:28:13 pm
I found the K'Tang kind of amusing, but not very. The blubber-mouthed bully is familiar from the Thraddash and Ilwrath. Nearly half the new species were composed entirely of complete idiots (K'Tang, Doog, DakTakLakPak, Vyro-Ingo). The Harika/Yorn dynamic made NO SENSE.
etc.

Good sides:
"We be mighty XChagger!" (too bad their ship was almost impossible to hit with since it has only a non-homing non-spread weapon and turns about as fast as a Chenjesu)
"That's a very good question. How DID we get here?" VUX were never so adorably evil.

Umm, I liked the Owa, Harika/Yorn, and Clairconctlar ships. The Lk would have been fine if, well, they had been a little quicker to move and turn (higher acceleration not needed). Also, its shot could have used a wider oscillation.

But should the game be left in the UQM universe? NO.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Culture20 on May 20, 2003, 11:46:38 pm
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(sc3) it lacked everything that sc2 was, is, and always will be.


Not so:  It reused much of the dialog from SC2, and therefore did have something of what SC2 was.  Unfortunately, those portions were not original, and everything else ignored SC2 so the plot wasn't consistant, but at least did a good job with the grey, faded graphics, the bad MIDI music, the psuedo-3D melee, and the puppets.  Oh wait, no they didn't; those were parts I disliked.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 21, 2003, 01:16:56 am
How exactly did Accolade get the rights to make Star Control 3 then? They must have bought them otherwise that must be illegal.

What I liked about SC3:

The precursor explanation (rainbow world function etc...)
K'Tang, similar to thradash yes, but still very funny.
Starmap was a decent attempt at 3d, but not great either, SC2 map system was much easier.

Dislikes:

New ships mostly were terrible.
Dialogue boring on average.
Puzzles very easy.
New races were all idiots and incredibly easy to gain them all on your side.
No challenges, hardly any battles at all to fight.
No polish, music, etc...


So what exactly should the plot of UQM 2 (SC3 V2)  be then?

Perhaps without the Sa Matra the Ur-Quan don't just fold over like a bunch of babies, but instead the Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah join forces and re-assemble some battle thralls to regain control of the galaxy. Will the Kohr-Ah still wish to cleanse the galaxy or will they re-concile their differences with the Kzer-Za ? Without the Sa Matra I doubt they could afford to cleanse all the races, they need allies.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Death 999 on May 21, 2003, 03:11:27 am
They bought some of the rights, enough to put out the game.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Gill_Bates on May 21, 2003, 03:11:59 am
If they continued UQM beyond v1.0 it would morph into TimeWarp.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Chad on May 21, 2003, 09:15:17 pm
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How exactly did Accolade get the rights to make Star Control 3 then? They must have bought them otherwise that must be illegal.


Not that I'm totally following this conversation, but to answer this question... It's my understanding that its a fairly standard thing for developers to give up all rights to the game they develop to the publisher in their contract in exchange for the publisher to actually pay the developers to be able to make the game in the first place (everyone has to eat and feed families also).  Because they now own the rights and trademarks, publishers can make sequels without the original developers permission or knowledge, etc.

From what little public info is know about what happened with the rights, it's my understanding that Accolade/Infogrames/Atari stopped paying TFB royalities and what not... so thus the contract was broken and now TFB owns the original content now and thus are able to bring you UQM via fans working out all the kinks.

Basically it was like "You pay us for Star Control 1 and 2 and you can sell SC1, SC2 and make Star Control 3 and 4, 5, 6, etc."  Now, since they aren't paying them anymore, SC1 and SC2 are TFB's again.

Thats my spin of it. :P


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Death 999 on May 21, 2003, 09:59:11 pm
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If they continued UQM beyond v1.0 it would morph into TimeWarp.


umm, you mean the plot? 'cause the codebase is totally different.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 22, 2003, 05:35:13 am
Except I'd hope that FF and PR3 would have a major part in the construction of UQM 2. What I don't like about Timewarp is some of the proposed additions they've decided to implement. Namely, their 'new race'. The idea seems somewhat farfetched and sketchy.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Culture20 on May 22, 2003, 05:59:45 am
Which "new race"?  And why would new races seem far-fetched?


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Lukipela on May 22, 2003, 07:19:00 am
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Which "new race"?  And why would new races seem far-fetched?



True, any new race is far fetched, but we cant remain with just the old well konwn ones... Or are you referring to the only known race, those associates of the Druuge?


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 22, 2003, 09:00:50 am
Stop these abreviations and references to things you assume everyone knows.

Good, now... tell me EVERYTHING.

FF=?

Timewarp = some new developing company?

They are actually planning on a new game?

Details, details, details!  :P


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: guesst on May 22, 2003, 11:19:33 am
For the newbie's benifit I'll spell it all out, plus some stuff you'll need to know later. You can thank my high-and-mightness later (laugh at that, it's a joke, yo):

FF = Fred Ford, one of a pair of gods responsable for bringing us StarControl. Mainly, as I understand it, the story man.

PR3 = Paul Rieche the Third, the other of the two gods that brought us StarControl. As I understand it he was the programming guru. (The details may be incorrect, but one was one, the other was the other.)

TFB = Toys for Bob, FF&PR3's own label, created after SC2. It is the valhala where the twin gods reside.

Timewarp = http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/timewarp a fan made project that has probably made the most head way into an actual complete fan made sequel for StarControl of any project. It's far from complete, but is defonately the closest.

Are "they" (TFB) planning on making a sequel = Only they know. Thus far, speculation runs high, and hope flows like a delicious river of rasberry cream though the forum, but TFB hasn't spoken a definitive word, that I know of.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 23, 2003, 10:21:58 am
Thanks for spelling it out, I knew that fred and paul were the masterminds behind it all but the abreviations threw me off.

Lets keep our fingers crossed that "they" make a new one!

Does anyone else think that the Starcon Universe would work as a TV/Movie too? Not that I actually think it would make the jump, but I think it would work.

Doesn't quite have the mainstream extreme popularity neccessary for it. Few games can pull it off, starcraft or diablo are probably going to do it.


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 23, 2003, 07:22:37 pm
The new race, the one that is supposed to be liquid people, a la that episode of Futurama. The ones that use sunglasses on their glass bottles as a mark of prestige, and are supposedly the 'renowned spokespersons' for the Druuge, since the Druuge all of a sudden are supposedly 'shy' and 'reluctant' to perform sales face-to-face.

I mean... what the carp... (stinky fish..)


Title: Re: Star Control 3? 4?
Post by: The_Ultimate_Evil on May 24, 2003, 02:18:22 am
Doesn't sound very much like the Druuge to me, they enjoy face-to-face business so they can con you out of what they want.