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Title: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Defender on May 20, 2003, 07:24:56 am
so? im guessing some of you have your roots in sci fi, and not just good games. im writing this to let thoes of you express what things inspired your intrest in sci fi.

does any one here remember an old sci fi program calle "space 1999"? it was about a base on the moon and some how the moon gets knocked out of earths orbit and goes off into the cosmos. this is one of my ealiest memories of my intrest, before i discovered star trek *kirk* reruns. other influances have been old 50's, 60's sci fi like "the day the earth stood still", "the blob", "body snatchers", ect...
there were also modern day sci fi series babylon 5", and star trek=tng=ds9=voyager=enterprise, war of the worlds, star gate, earth final conflict, andromeda, ect...
some movies that had a heavy influece are, star wars,  independence day, "enemy mine"****i highly recommend this movie***, terminator series, battle beyond the stars, time bandits, war of the worlds, the thing, event horizon wich sucked imo, sphere, mars attacks funny, space balls funnyx2, imposter, ai, ect...
cant think of more...
some games, besides are beloved sc2, are wing commander, home world, freespace, ect..

so whats your influence? what got you into sci fi?
~DEFIANT


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: guesst on May 20, 2003, 06:50:15 pm
My mother was a bit startrek fan, so it was her influence that got me. But my personal favorate sci-fi is the Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy Trilogy. All 5 books.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Death 999 on May 20, 2003, 08:39:02 pm
Some of my earliest memories are watching the Immunity Syndrome and The Cage (classic trek episodes) on a little black and white TV we had in our kitchen.
Around the same time, I was beginning to read, and I read the Space Cat books (there is another series by the same name), the Choose-your-own-adventure Space Patrol, Galaxy Spy #1 (the one with the moebius strip passenger liner with like five passengers, I don't remember the title), Tom Swift Jr.....*

Later on, I read much fantasy and some science fiction, watched ST:tNG regularly, then intermittently watched DS9 and Voyager... began reading Larry Niven a lot. Then watched all of Babylon 5 in one year. I recently resumed reading science fiction regularly again -- The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Hyperion, Empire Star/Babel-9, etc.


* wow, I've never put five dots in a row and have it be grammatically correct before


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Lukipela on May 20, 2003, 11:41:12 pm
Babylon 5, Voyager and Stargate are the newest additions to my list. Older stuff includes the Guide,and about a hundered different scifi books, which i wont bother to list here (mostly cuz I'm crap at remembering names).

Question for D_999: Seeing as you've read Hyperion, how many books are there in the series? I've read two here, that seemed to be a compelte story in themselves, but I was curious as to wether there are more fo them around...


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: MisterFrosty on May 20, 2003, 11:53:23 pm
There are at least 4 books in Hyperion (Hyperion, Fall of Hyperion, Endymion, Fall of Endymion, I believe they're called), but I highly advise against reading past the first book.  I think Hyperion is one of the best books written, while the sequels are just good pulp.  The effect of reading them is to diminish the quality of the first, both by dilluting it and by tying up loose ends that were much better left unresolved.



Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Death 999 on May 21, 2003, 12:03:06 am
Actually, I only read Hyperion -- I was going to go out and get Fall of Hyperion, since Hyperion... well, it's like reading Sluggy Freelance up to http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=020123 and then stopping. (if you have never read Sluggy, that strip is a very poor place to start -- try http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=970825 instead)

How could I forget HHGttG?

Oh freddled gruntbuggly, thy micturations are to me
as plurdled globbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turlingdromes,
and hooptiously drangle me with crinkly bindlewurdles,
or I wil lrend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,
see if I don't!


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Lukipela on May 21, 2003, 12:23:30 am
Don't worry, ever since you set me upon the destructive path of webcomic addictions a while back (w. 8bit theatre), I've found and read through quite a few archives from quite a few sites.

Other Sci-Fi influences. The Pern books by Anne MacCaffrey (or some such) combine fantasy and SciFi in an interesting way


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Death 999 on May 21, 2003, 03:09:42 am
yes, is it the path of "exploitation now and forever" or the "sluggy doctrine"? A war brews, about to engulf the entire RPGWorld.
Our heroes, Bob and George, are going out to achieve something positive in real life. Residents of Megatokyo, they will have to go out and challenge the Knights of the Dinner Table to Player Versus Player combat -- in freefall!
Then they will have to hack into the central computer of the Clan of the Cats, and tell it to calculate 1/0, which will cause a General Protection Fault. Once the computer is busy comparing dissimilar things like, say, a Triangle and Robert, they will be able to free Alice, the one mediator who can bring together the rival leaders, Ms. Penny Ar'cade and, well, you know. If they cannot be reconciled, then it's Nukees for everyone and the most advanced lifeforms will be the goats wandering through the achewood.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Sudo_Nym on May 21, 2003, 06:11:36 pm
I got the complete HHGttG as a Christmas present last time and I was disappointed.  The quality of the books was really uneaven.  The original and Life, the Universe and Everything were hilarious (all the good quotes come from the first book).  So Long and Thanks for all the Fish was pleasent but amusing points were few and far between.  The Restaurant at the End of the Universe and Mostly Harmless just sucked.

Mostly Harmless didn't make any sense from the opening pages where we are told that Arthur's girlfriend vanished somehow to the end where a pelican computer manages to have all the Earths in all the parallel universes destroyed somehow.  


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Megagun on May 21, 2003, 06:34:26 pm
it all started at Star-control for me.....(im 14...) i cant remember which one, but i guess it was 1... i played Sc2 with my brother a lot, killing him much with my 1337 Pkunk flying skills, got killed alot because he used Orz and Synth a lot..... bah! Destroyed his whole fleet with my 1337 Chmmr/MmrnMhrm skills... and.... got killed alot in return...
Sc2 is still my all-time favorite of all games i know..... but too bad i forgot about the best game ever...... until about 5 years ago... when my brother came home with a cd.... Star control 2....... it only costed him 5 guilders (about 2 euros...)..
then, i got back into the Starcontrol series.. still played it alot, completed the adventure about 3 times in 1.5 years, nearly killed the " 12345 "  and " nm,./ " keys because i played melee so often.......

so it really started with Sc2 for me, if Sc2 didnt exist, my whole life would have been different, like that i woudnt like SF as i like it now.....

burp! too bored now to type on...
damn! did you see the amount of dots i used? DAMN!!! im infected with the tripleormore dot virus!!


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: RockasaurusRex2000 on May 21, 2003, 06:37:24 pm
Star Wars/Star Wars books. Is Terminator a Sci-Fi? Yeah, I guess. Hitchhiker's Guide was deinetly a strong inspiration.
Next Generation and the original Star Trek movies.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Rain on May 21, 2003, 11:29:54 pm
Japanese animation and comic books, actually.

The Gundam series, Miyazaki's Laputa:City in the Sky and Nausicaa, more recently Gainax's Evangelion and FLCL.



Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 22, 2003, 05:39:55 am
I'd have to say I'm pretty sure The Terminator is sci-fi.

Well I read a lot, really, it's not specifically sci-fi. I have a thing for romance and fantasy as well as sci-fi and historical, but I did rather like Privateer back in the early 90's when I first played it.

That's mostly my reason for liking SC2; the concept of blowing things apart to get money to improve your ship.

I do like a lot of Sci-fi in and of itself, though I'm not a sci-fi fan by any means. The Pern books are rather enjoyable, I'd have to agree.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Lukipela on May 22, 2003, 07:16:22 am
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yes, is it the path of "exploitation now and forever" or the "sluggy doctrine"? A war brews, about to engulf the entire RPGWorld.
Our heroes, Bob and George, are going out to achieve something positive in real life. Residents of Megatokyo, they will have to go out and challenge the Knights of the Dinner Table to Player Versus Player combat -- in freefall!
Then they will have to hack into the central computer of the Clan of the Cats, and tell it to calculate 1/0, which will cause a General Protection Fault. Once the computer is busy comparing dissimilar things like, say, a Triangle and Robert, they will be able to free Alice, the one mediator who can bring together the rival leaders, Ms. Penny Ar'cade and, well, you know. If they cannot be reconciled, then it's Nukees for everyone and the most advanced lifeforms will be the goats wandering through the achewood.


Cease your tempting evildoer......

The sad things is that I recognize most references in there... And those I don't recognize, I'm afraid to check out, lest I'm addicted to more comics...

Yay, someone else likes Pern! Though it may be silly at times, I still enjoy it. On an off-topic fantasy tangent, I just restarted the Dragonlance books....

A thing for romance and fantasy? That doesn't fit well with out homicidal Primat.....


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 23, 2003, 07:14:01 pm
If it helps, I think of myself more as incredibly insane, which fits the Kohr-Ah concept.

Yes, I've read a lot of the Dragonlance books (favorite char was always Laurana) and Pern books. Various fantasy, romance, sci-fi, whatever.

On a side note I have also started simultaneously playing Betrayal at Krondor again, while reading Krondor the Betrayal for the first time. It's quite an amusing experience.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Defender on May 24, 2003, 11:14:13 am
could some one please enlighten me, what is "hitchikers guilde to the galaxy" all about? i remeber long ago seeing this book at my school. could someone give me a run down of what its about. dont worry about spoilers, i dont mind. thanks ~DEFIANT


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: guesst on May 24, 2003, 11:51:53 am
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is a wholly remarkable book.

It looks rather like a largish electronic calculator. It has about a hundred tiny flat press buttons and a screen about four inches square on which any one of a million "pages" could be summoned at a moment's notice. It looks insanely complicated, and this is one of the reasons why the snug plastic cover it fitted into has the words Don't Panic printed on it in large friendly letters. The other reason was that this device is in fact that most remarkable of all books ever to come out of the great publishing corporations of Ursa Minor. The reason why it was published in the form of a micro sub meson electronic component is that if it were printed in normal book form, an interstellar hitch hiker would require several inconveniently large buildings to carry it around in.

It is not an Earth book, and has never been published on Earth.

In fact it was probably the most remarkable book ever to come out of the great publishing houses of Ursa Minor.

Not only is it a wholly remarkable book, it is also a highly successful one-more popular than the Celestial Home Care Omnibus, better selling than Fifty More Things to do in Zero Gravity, and more controversial than Oolon Colluphid's trilogy of philosophical blockbusters Where God Went Wrong, Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes and Who is this God Person Anyway?

In many of the more relaxed civilizations on the Outer Eastern Rim of the Galaxy, the Hitch Hiker's Guide has already supplanted the great Encyclopedia Galactica as the standard repository of all knowledge and wisdom, for though it has many omissions and contains much that is apocryphal, or at least wildly inaccurate, it scores over the older, more pedestrian work in two important respects.

First, it is slightly cheaper; and secondly it has the words DON'T PANIC inscribed in large friendly letters on its cover.

(text taken from http://hhgproject.org/)

In the story by Douglas Adams, a rather unsuspecting human, Arthur Dent, who is in every way everything that an alien race could ever some to expect from humans, in other words he is a not entirely but a mostly useless twit, is unexpectedly taken from earth by a long time aquaintance of his, Ford Prefect. As it turns out, Ford is not human as he had claimed to be but was from a planet near Betelgeuse and has spent the last 15 years stuck on earth looking for a chance to leave it. He got that chance when a Vogon construction fleet arrived to destroy the earth. Ford hitched a ride with the Vogons, taking Arthur with him for the ride, and on a ride they go.

Their journey is helped by Zaphod Bebelbrox, the two headed three armed president of the galaxy on the run from the police for stealing the remarkable ship, the "heart of gold, Trillian, another human who escaped earth some months earlier, and Marvin, the paranoid Android.

All in all, this book is required reading for any fan of science fiction/comedy.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Defender on May 24, 2003, 12:01:06 pm
i cant believe i missed out on that...  :) sounds rather interesting. ill go to my local libiary and see if its there. oh by the way, thanks ;D i guess your not so bad after all ;) ~DEFIANT


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: AnonomouSpathi on May 24, 2003, 12:10:55 pm
After reading it, be sure to pick Up it's sequels, 'The restaurant at the end of the universe', and 'Life the universe and everything'.

So long and thanks for all the fish wasn't quite as good, imho.  the last one I never got to read, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: guesst on May 24, 2003, 02:13:40 pm
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After reading it, be sure to pick Up it's sequels, 'The restaurant at the end of the universe', and 'Life the universe and everything'.

So long and thanks for all the fish wasn't quite as good, imho.  the last one I never got to read, unfortunately.


You're forgetting the saving grace for the series, "Mostly Harmless", the 5th book in the increasingly misnamed Hitchiker's Guide Trillogy. "Mostly Harmless" succeeds on every level that "Thanks for all the Fish" failed. If you haven't read it, you must. Best in the series, hands down.

Plus, there was a short story, "Young Zaphod Plays it Safe," that came with the others in a bound volume.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Defender on May 24, 2003, 09:32:20 pm
now wait a minute. you guys arent trying to bullsh*t me, are you? you know make fun of the stupid guy thats never heard of such wonderous and amazing things?  ;) out of all that you've said, its still "hgttg" the only book ive heard of. oh well. ignorance is bliss... ~DEFIANT


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Lukipela on May 24, 2003, 10:34:32 pm
Don't worry, they are real. Check out http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345391802/qid=1053793977/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-1306305-0548929


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: AnonomouSpathi on May 24, 2003, 10:56:34 pm
Ah, I couldn't remember the name of last last one, but "Mostly harmless" it was.  I'll have to read it, if it's that much better then so long.  Assuming I can find a copy somewhere.

Young Zaphod was a strange story...it was in the leatherbound volume with the first three, I remember.


That series has so many of the best lines in it.  The bit about the ravenous bugbladder beast of Traal is classic.  And marvins little poem was funny too.

Now I lay me down to bed,
Darkness won't engulf my head,
I can see by infrared,
How I hate the night.

classic.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 25, 2003, 12:16:29 am
Personally, I rather hate Mostly Harmless. It manages to excise Fenchurch (my favorite character) from the story, and without spoiling too much, it also manages to pretty much draw a death curtain over the entire cast.

I prefer to pretend it's not part of the series.

Oh, don't forget: The Salmon of Doubt. The first ten chapters of the sixth Hitchhiker's book that Douglas Adams was working on when he passed away.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: guesst on May 25, 2003, 10:49:21 am
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Personally, I rather hate Mostly Harmless. It manages to excise Fenchurch (my favorite character) from the story, and without spoiling too much, it also manages to pretty much draw a death curtain over the entire cast.

I prefer to pretend it's not part of the series.


The whole Fenchurch thing was a notoriously unpopular part of the series and I believe even Douglas Adams said that she just didn't "fit" so he wrote her out.

And concerning everyone being dead, DA again said that wasn't the end of the series. That just meant that he knew where everyone was.

Besides, when the book started it was an extension of an idea he had for a series where, at the end of ever skit, earth would be destroyed. He called was going to call it "The Ends of the Earth." That idea evolved into HHG, so it's only fitting that at the end Earth is destroyed. Again. (IMO, anytime I see a story where earth gets destroyed, I have to love it. Like Titan AE. Destroyed earth in the first 15 minutes. Pow.)

I still hold that Mostly Harmless was the best HHG book in the trillogy.

My favorate DA line, I don't remember if it HHGttG or one of the Dirk Gently books that described a man who died by overdose of brick wall while under the influence of a porche. Brillilant stuff.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Death 999 on May 28, 2003, 09:29:56 pm
**SPOILER**
Well, the cataclysm that happens at the end shuts down television broadcasting, but it doesn't stop the radio stations. SO something really odd and not quite yet-explicable is going on. I figure that the blackbird collapsed the universes but then the aliens on Rupert blew up the vogon/HHGttG fleet, and Earth was harmed but not eliminated.

Either that or Earth was destroyed and immediately replaced by a third copy fresh from Magrathea, and this time they decided not to implement TV because it did more harm than good. Since the main characters had a spaceship on hand they could have survived, OR been killed and rebuilt along with the rest of the planet.

As far as Fenchurch is concerned, eh, well... I'm of mixed opinion. She certainly wasn't Trillian. On the other hand, Trillian didn't end up being Trillian either, so... *sigh*


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Kohr-Ah_Primat on May 28, 2003, 11:15:32 pm
Well it's simply that Arthur was by far my favorite char until Fenny came along, and I adored the fellow, and I kept wincing at how even Trillian treats the guy like dirt, as well-meaning as the guy is.

Fenny was neat because she both had her head up in the clouds and her feet on the ground. Well, obviously not literally.

Not to say I didn't love Random. But seriously I loved Fenny's outlook on life.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Death 999 on May 29, 2003, 02:53:43 am
Trillian had the great benefit of patience with people who did not understand celestial mechanics and how to calculate infinite improbability coordinates and how to set task priorities on the computer and all sorts of basic information. Useful, since so few of the characters had a clue.
(reminds me: "Aah... competency... my greatest enemy" - megaman (Bob and George May 5, 2003))

Fenchurch had the greater benefit that she had only the skill set that Arthur had - in fact, she was unaware of what he was missing. Much more familiar. Very interesting personality.
My favorite scene with her is when the two of them are talking to the doctor outside the asylum, and she draws herself and ... Arthur (I wanted to say Torg)... in the clouds to gently remind him that the doc isn't necessarily loony.

I am curious as to why she got one of the fishbowls though - never adequately explained, IMO.


Title: Re: Science Fiction Fan?
Post by: Sudo_Nym on May 30, 2003, 06:09:18 pm
I'll say one thing about HHGttG and move on.  Mostly Harmless sucks.  It sucks almost as much as the end of Resteraunt at the End of the Universe.

Moving on, I just finished reading Vernor Vinge's Fire upon the Deep and Deepness in the Sky.  This is probably the greatest science fiction I have ever read in my life.  The worst part of it was that 7 years seperated the completion of both works, and Deepness was written in '99(God give me the strength to stand the wait).  

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