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1  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: June 17, 2019, 10:46:15 pm
I don't mind the actual document not being released.
I am sure that whatever the published (or to be published) normal-language information of the content of the agreement has been counterread by the lawyers...
I'm not afraid of that. More of a lack of a clause ensuring a certain non-interference with a project in its starting phase.

Likely both sides even put a "let us look first into your project" into the contract...

Anyway, we'll see how it plays out, what are 7 years more after 26 years of waiting?
2  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Peace has broken out between P&F and Stardock! on: June 17, 2019, 09:19:32 am
You're more than welcome!
I know we hid this important news rather deep, but since most of the regulars check that thread (or even subscribed it, to receive an e-mail if there is news), it appeared to be a good spot for the news, although it indeed deserves it own thread.

Have fun!
 
3  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Ship Ratings? on: June 16, 2019, 10:26:57 pm
??
Which ratings?

I've seen
https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Table_of_ship_values (having - for ships not existing in that version, and n/a for ships you cannot scavenge RU from, or buy at the StarBase)
and
https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/List_of_ships (which has no values at all...)
and
https://wiki.uqm.stack.nl/Table_of_ship_properties (which seems to be complete).

[edit]Oops, I assume you mean in-game?
Sorry, haven't installed UQM since the German translation project finished.
I still need to find time to convert the files to the newer format (and check the files, it seems Cmdr. Hayes is mostly in English again...)
4  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: June 16, 2019, 10:10:21 pm
In-between, there's little to prevent Stardock from blowing up these issues again...

They are dismissed with prejudice. If Stardock tries to file a complaint against F&P again with the same claims as before, those claims would be rejected by the court immediately.
This exact case, yes.
But a new announcement would cause new consumer confusion, and therefore is a new case, with a new alleged harm, and therefore not covered by this "with prejudice"....
That's what I'm afraid of....
5  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: June 16, 2019, 12:01:12 pm
To the Yes/No question on future Stardock games:
It'll be a no from me, until the F&P game has been released without interference from Stardock.

The biggest risk I currently see with this agreement, is that Stardock can continue now, while F&P have to wait a few years.
In-between, there's little to prevent Stardock from blowing up these issues again...
So, I'll be waiting beyond that point before playing Stardock games.

But I have to confess, due to my current life-style, I don't have time to play anything else than casual games anyway.
So, likely my conscious "no" would not have changed a single sale number anyway....
I hope in 6-8 years it'llchange...
6  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Peace has broken out between P&F and Stardock! on: June 15, 2019, 10:25:16 pm
Thank You for making a clearer statement than the one we've been hiding in a very long thread.

In case you're interested, we've been discussing this since this post in the "Sequels Strife" thread.

Oh, and have a beer!
7  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Untitled UQM Sequel's new name discussion on: June 14, 2019, 12:34:04 am
That's a good one! I like it!

The *Happy Campers* game series:
*Happy Campers*: *Dancing*
*Happy Campers*: *Heavy Space*
next could be:
*Happy Campers*: *Below*
, also psossible are the episodes *Time Jokes*, *Above*, and plenty more


ratS lortnoC
8  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Untitled UQM Sequel's new name discussion on: June 13, 2019, 08:08:01 pm
I think the copyright owner of Star Control will not be happy with anything "Star ...".
Well, "Galaxy Control" would be out of question for the same reason.



"Talana's Voyage" would be nice, ....

Or "Vela II", as that may be where the New Alliance of Free Stars brings a lot of ressources, and nudges the Factory to make the next ship in the programming line....
9  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Untitled UQM Sequel's new name discussion on: June 13, 2019, 09:15:30 am
*Up*, *Down*, and all *Around*: Purple

Because we got some promises from the Infernal Duo.
And based on those ideas/promises, we can maybe deduce some storyline, and therefore possible names.
   From a mail by Fred Ford to a Star Control II player:

        : Were ALL the Androsynth destroyed when the Orz came?

        Perceptive lad. This was a leading plot candidate for our theoretical sequel.
<_Stilgar> <ORZ> Q:What was your ideas for the hypothetical Sequal? <Fwiffo> We never had to settle on an idea, because we never got that close. But we were thinking about those missing Androsynth.
<TheManta> Fwiffo: Why *did* the Melnorme's bridge turn purple?  :) <Fwiffo> The Purple Bridge question, eh? How much is it worth to you? <Deep-Reep> 120,000 credits <Fwiffo> I promise here and now, that in our next SC project, we'll answer that Purple Bridge question to your ultimate satisfaction.


And in the end, The Ur-Quan Masters 2 will do.


Also: is there an Ultronomicon page already, where these quotes regarding plotlines for F&P-made sequels have been collected?

[edit]
<_Stilgar> Fwiffo- were any ideas in the ending of SC2 going to carry over to your version of SC3? (MARK II, etc.?) <Fwiffo> In a word: Yes.

[...]

<_Stilgar> Fwiffo- what WAS the Mark II? <Fwiffo> The Mark II was a precursor cruiser as opposed to a precursor tug which is what you guys flew.
Gotta stop here.
10  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: June 11, 2019, 09:36:51 am
Sounds like the Star Control trademark remains with Stardock, but the UQM trademark application changes hands to F&P and the UQM Open Source project.
The other trademark applications will likely be pulled/stopped/withdrawn.

I wonder how much the attorneys can bill now. (And to whom.) But likely I'll never get to know the answer.

But I am happy, that the worst of this mess seems to be over, and that now both sides can focus on their respective projects and get going.
11  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: June 10, 2019, 06:20:33 pm
Note, in the announcement that's left online, they stuck a "TM" to "The Ur-Quan Masters".
I think that is telling, but not knowing whether UQM is not a trademark of Stardock (worst case), or whether F&P acquired the rights to the application to protect the UQM OpenSource project.

There's so much good stuff happening in the world of Star Control.  We can't wait to talk about it next week. People are going to be shocked (in a good way) we think.
Sounds like more messages will be coming.
Announced is another Stardock Star Control game for 2020.
The rest we'll see later, when it gets clearer.
In the reply posts, questions do get asked, one being if the settlement means good things.
Brad Wardell: For everyone. Yes.
Random person: even for Fred and Paul?
Brad's reply: I think so.  The details will start coming out this week so you can decide for yourself.  I am hopeful that people will see this as a win-win.


But the new image not being from the SC universe/boxes/... does little to give me rest.
12  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Stardock Litigation Discussion on: May 27, 2019, 10:25:34 am
For those interested:
This is the document on courtlistener, signed by Stardock/Valve's counsel and by F&P's counsel.
They also request an extension on the current limit dates regarding amended complaints, and discoveries by about 1 week, for all parties, from 24 or 29 May 2019 to 3 June 2019.

Since all parties signed the request, chances are that the judge will order as proposed.

It's rather unlikely the terms of the agreement will be public, and I must confess I'd love to read them.
Some of them will become public, either by public withdrawal of the TM-requests of Stardock, or withdrawal of the oppositions on those, merely by observance of the public file inspections of the court, USPTO, and other institutions.
Or by the continuation of the GotP project (or the announcement of a new name for the product).

Beginning of next week we should know more, end of next week we should know if the parties have reached an agreement or not.

*crossing fingers* *daumendrück* *duimen* that it'll be favourable to Fred&Paul, and not a result of a lack of financial means for the court case.
13  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mike's super map on: May 24, 2019, 10:37:17 pm
Interesting, but I can't really see an advantage to other maps out there.
Also, planet type is irrelevant, helpful would be RU or BIO amounts on map.
Also, deselecting planets or artifacts removes all systems for me.

Can't search "Caster", result is a map without stars....

Still prefer my papermap or Mooses' JavaScript map (which starts spoiler free until you select something spoilerish). (I don't know the name or nick of the creator, it's just stored on mooses.nl,corrsponding gitHub page indicates I should thank Joris van der Donk).


But then maybe the lack of functionality on your map is my iOS browser.... (don't feel disencouraged to work on your map! You need to start somewhere...)


edit: interesting, I clicked on some systems, and Earth provides me with a value of 315...
Sorted by value only? Makes it weird planning a trip through the system....
Also, when clicking a system (my tested examples: Sol, Arcturus, Procyon), it does not show the homeplanets or artifacts, nor indicates the invisitable planets under slave shields....
14  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Outsider, SC inspired web comic... on: May 20, 2019, 09:04:26 am
http://well-of-souls.com/outsider/outsider155.html

Wow, that is an impressive feat by the Pocket HistorianTM and its supportive systems.

15  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Outsider, SC inspired web comic... on: May 14, 2019, 08:58:43 am
Pretty sure it is Historian origin.

The Historian Emissary was present on the bridge when Alexander gave his name's translation, page 62.

And, the datapad did not have a "message received" blinking indicator before the trash bin (nickname from the Outisder-forums) made its noises. (Alex looks at the pad on page 152, and comments on the new indicator a page later.)

BTW, we now have 22 July [edit]2160[/edit] in-comic, which is 8 days later then when the Bellarmine entered the Naam system.
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