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106  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Talking Pets on: April 28, 2003, 10:31:10 pm
They'll probably kill the pet, upgrade their self-destruct mechanism, and the Kohr-ah would try to exterminate the Umgah, but they will try that anyway. Smiley

Two more things:
1) The talking pets are not sentient (or semi-sentient) but they DO have psy powers to some extent. After all this is how they translate.
2) Primat, you're on something BIG here! The pets translate thoughts, so I wonder what would happen if they'll try to translate the Orz... If they can, then maybe after one conversation the entire Ur-quan race will disappear, and many Orz would appear instead Wink

To quote one scared Arilou: "Oh no! It's a *party*!!!"
107  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Earthlings under the shield on: April 27, 2003, 11:15:37 pm
This is very optimistic, how about this:
After the slave shield went up, religious extremes blamed anyone else for bringing the anger of god, this is the real reason we lost to the Ur-quan! God is mad on us!

"Green" groups and Gaia cults want to return Humanity to our primordial state, people should destroy their cities and technology and live with nature. Tech didn't bring us any good, and we're trapped here anyway! Those cults would have their extremes too...

The stronger countries expel the space refugees from their territory and close their borders, in an attempt to prevent hunger and shortage from their people. In other places hunger and shortage in water and medical supplies get only worse with time. This cause the UN to crumble, the global government no longer mean anything.

Cults that worship the Ur-quan show up here and there, their people led to believe that if the Ur-quan will find us worthy they'll remove the shield.

Angry mobs attack government facilities, they voted for being Battle thralls, why were they imprisoned under the slaveshield?!
108  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Earthlings under the shield on: April 26, 2003, 08:06:15 pm
I don't think the Ur-quan care what happens under the slaveshield.
Also the races that heard all the "or die" sentences were battle thralls, and the Ur-quan needed them to fight.
Under the shield, we were pretty much on our own.
Beside, the Thraddash lunched their nukes on themselves, there is a big difference between that and some riots and perhaps terrorism on earth.

About Human expansion: In fact if I remember correctly Human didn't have Hyperspace capabilities until the Chenjesue gave us the tech. BUT bases on asteroids and planets in the system were mentioned, maybe I'm wrong, but it's probably safe to assume that there was a colony on mars and maybe on some asteroids. Especially in this semi-utopian future SC have for the Humans (utopian until the war that is).

And last, for the Cruisers - you can watch the movie yourself if you'll download it here:
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/3do/movies.shtml

The ships are certainly Earthling Cruisers, and lots of them. Since we try to make sense of all the little inconsistencies and mistakes in SC2, we can't just rid that as an inconsistency that should be ignored. At least unless ridding it like that is best for some story in plan. Smiley
109  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Earthlings under the shield on: April 26, 2003, 05:46:21 pm
Hays referred to struggling, not Zelnick Smiley
Zelnick is the player character.

And while we never saw living here as a reason to riots, that was before we became a space faring race and participated in a big war, lost and got all our older-then-500-years buildings destroyed.
Also, all the Humans not on earth were transferred to earth before the slaveshield went up (or at least most of them, as you know a certain group of scientists didn't). After quite a while of living on other planets and expending in space, this transfer of people to earth probably put a lot of strain on the system, finding homes and food for all of those refugees.

I think this is when riots, extremes (religious and not) and all those nasty things raise their ugly heads and start making trouble.

IMO at least, earth would be in quite a mess after the shield is placed.
110  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: The Universe - Mind Blowing on: April 26, 2003, 05:21:37 pm
Isn't there a theory that claim that one day the universe would stop, and collapse on its center?
Why imagine all those billions of tons of matter, all falling on LP...
I think I'll move away from him...
111  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Earthlings under the shield on: April 26, 2003, 05:11:34 pm
Ok, at 2134 Earth was slaveshielded by the Kzer-za.
At 2159 (more or less, depends on the player Wink ) earth's slaveshield went down.

What happened down there all these years?
And what would happen now that the earth is free?

A bit of "history": Before and during the war, Earth had some kind of global government, with Ivana Or-Kochav (By the Matrix, that's an Israeli name!) as high Provost, and with the UN as some kind of senate for all I can tell.
Some kind of utopian future, with world peace and all the nukes locked safely (until we used them on the Cruisers).

I failed to find any information describing life under the slaveshield, except this quote of Commander Hays:
"I spent so much of my time struggling --
-- down on the surface under the shield and then later up here, trying to keep this station alive "

As for what happens after the slaveshield is broken, we don't know much either. Zelnick don't mention any disaster to his grandchildren, and at 3DO ending movie we see earthling Cruisers take off from earth right after the shield is removed, so I guess the people down there eventually managed to do something. So, let’s make history!
I think the ending was good, but I can't believe that everything was fine under the shield all these years. Riots and trouble are sure to happen.
What do you think happened down there, and how did the Humans manage to have Cruisers when the shield went down 25 years later?
112  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Question about the Druuge. on: April 26, 2003, 03:00:41 pm
I don't think I ever saw any mention of the Druuge and wars.

P.S: Thanks OldSkoolGamer, I really like your icon too Smiley
113  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Question about the Druuge. on: April 26, 2003, 03:51:33 am
Attacking and cheating a Human captain, when the rest of his race is stuck under indestructible shield probably won't start a war.
Now if earth weren't under the shield, then they would've treated you differently Wink
114  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Question about the Druuge. on: April 25, 2003, 06:39:32 pm
It seems that the Druuge, bastards as they are, took care not to enter wars.
We don't know much about their deals with other races, but when they sold the Ultron to the Utwig, the Ultron told the Utwig that the Druuge don't really want the Precursor bomb, but a lot of other junk. Instead of blaming the Utwig for breaking the deal, and risking war, the Druuge decided to take the junk and leave.
I know it's a different situation when the Druuge cheat someone, but I guess that when they don't have a choice they would rather compensate their angry clients before getting into a war.
115  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: The Shofixti threat on: April 25, 2003, 05:50:34 pm
Heh, I wanted to see what people wrote in this "Shofixti threat" thread, they certainly had much to write about the subject. So I've read the first post, then the last page... then the one before... You don't really talk about Shofixti here do you? Wink

Actually, I'm not sure what you ARE talking about, but since you mentioned nicknames and shorting them, I must say that I'm glad mine is UAF. It's so short there is no need to shorten it.
116  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: The Patented Captain Survival System on: April 17, 2003, 04:54:32 am
Before the Dnyarri messed with their genes the BROWN Ur-quan couldn't stand each other, and flew in scout ships, probably with one crew per ship.
We know that the Kzer-za still have one member of the species per ship.
As for the Kohr-ah, as it was said, they can't have sentient slaves.
Also, the crew is green and effected by Syreen song, so it's not drones. I guess we're left with more Kohr-ah. As Scott said, the Dnyarri had a good reason to change them so they can live together- while scientists and leaders don't need to get along, workers and warriors tend to work in groups.
117  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: So where are the rest of the Kzer-Za? on: April 16, 2003, 03:43:48 pm
Actually, we know the Kzer-za left the thralls in this area alone and went to fight the Kohr-ah. So leaving the thralls alone is not unthinkable.

The Kzer-za could leave the thralls alone, with lots of probes to keep an eye on them (like the one near earth) and tell the thralls to behave or they'll come back and kill them all.
118  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Why do Arilou favor Earthlings over Syreen? on: April 16, 2003, 03:15:29 am
Yes Slylendro, I am Israeli
119  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Why do Arilou favor Earthlings over Syreen? on: April 16, 2003, 12:56:09 am
Well, that's the best I could find, from Talana's conversation logs:

"Our bodies are very similar, Captain. Ha! ha! Except for... certain parts...I mean
What I am trying to say is that our SPECIES are almost identical
almost too close a match to be just a coincidence."

"Earth is the only world we know of whose variety and richness of life even comes close to Syra.
Again, like so many other things about our two species, our worlds were very much the same
at least before you began encasing yours in concrete and plastic."

And one regarding Syreen tech:
"For the next seventy five years, our people wandered at sub-light speed through the stars
looking for a new home."


BTW BioSlayer, what makes you think the Arilou are genetically similar to Humans? There are tones of Humanoid races out there, and the Arilou don't look that much like us.
120  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Why do Arilou favor Earthlings over Syreen? on: April 15, 2003, 10:35:44 pm
Yes there is. I'm pretty sure Talana mention it.
But the PonF are down at the moment, so I can't quote the text.
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