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16  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 27, 2009, 01:12:12 am
I think most people dont' consider the Death March as any indication to the Kohr-ah might, but as a game mechanic representation.
Besides, there is no alliance against the Death March.

Although I'd like to point out that I do think that the Korh-ah will win the war if they'll arrive first.
I'm merley arguing about who they'll attack first, and what alliance will be formed against them.

Since the Kzer-za failed completly at discovering the ZFP existance, I think it's safe to say that the Kohr-ah won't find them any faster, and will move against the Mycon after cleanseing the Utwig and Supox. (BTW, why do we think they know about the Utwig? Maybe they'll go Bruxivise, Druuge and then Mycon?).

Also, I'd like to point out that the Mrn know about the Spathi, and the Chenjesu know about the Pkunk and possibly the Umgah. So I think those races will be recruited.

Since I tend to give credit to the Androsynth, unless they'll be exterminated by a surprise Kohr-ah attack, I think that they'll join the Alliance IF they'll discover about the Korh-ah.

As for the Syreen - they stumbled into Human space the last time, undetected by the Ur-quan while on their way. MAYBE they'll manage to do the same again.

At the end, it is still most likely that the Korh-ah shall prevail, unless the Arilou will decide to do some serious wizerdy.
17  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 24, 2009, 01:34:26 am
Why would they move to the Thraddash and not to the Mycon?
The Mycon seem more technology advanced, which probably means stronger hyperspace broadcasts.
Also, they probably detected the Mycon when the went for the Burvixese, and you claimed that they will try to cleanse the race in the order they detected them. Which means Mycon before Thraddash.

The Mycon are also closer then the Thraddash and ZFP, which is yet another reason to cleanse them first.

So I believe the most probable scenario is that the Kohr-ah will move against the Mycon after the Druuge. If they care about the order in which they detected races then they'll do it after cleansing the Utwig, if not then they'll do it right after destroying the Druuge.
18  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 23, 2009, 11:18:49 pm
It is acceptable to assume that the Kohr-Ah already knew about the Utwig.

Why?
I don't even recall any evidence that the Utwing and Burvixese knew about eachother.
As you said the Kohr-ah knew about the Druuge. They will continue to the Mycon from there.

But even if they knew about the Utwing, and will destroy the Supox next for being close, the Kohr-ah would've probably pick Mycon signals from when they exterminated the Burvixese or Druuge more strongly then Thraddash signals.

Therefore their next target will, at any case, be the Mycon.
19  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 23, 2009, 10:03:36 pm
I remember that the Kohr-ah went clockwise with their match.
Unless they start it with the Utwig and Supox (I don't remember) then they (the Utwig and Supox) are the last in their march.
At any case they get the Mycon right after the Druuge, which makes sense because they are the strongest hyperwave signal out there.
20  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 23, 2009, 02:53:48 am
The assumption about the Kohr-Ah's direction comes from who they discover first. The progression is assumed to be:

Gg first. The Gg warn the Burvixese, who warn the Utwig and Druuge. Of course, the Druuge are discovered because of their beacons, and decoy the Kohr-Ah to the Burvixese using the 'Caster gambit. The Burvixese are cleansed, but the Kohr-Ah locate the Druuge and Utwig anyway. Druuge are cleansed next, followed by the Utwig. The Supox are right nearby, and are the next target. Once they are eliminated, the Kohr-Ah home in on broadcasts from the fledgeling ZFP, who are just starting to colonize other worlds. They are quickly exterminated. The Kohr-Ah could then take a few different routes, but the assumption is that the Thraddash are next; if they decide to go for someone else first, things would play out somewhat differently (and probably would result in complete cleansing occurring more quickly overall). Assuming the Thraddash are the next target, then the logical progression from there is for the Kohr-Ah to follow the route that the Kzer-Za took before SC1.

Why would they fid the Druuge if they know to stay quiet?
The Burvixese, then the Mycon (who are communicating with their own ships like everyone) maybe the Syreen (Their only fleet is a fleet of space cities and escorts, if they're lucky then they are quiet enough to be missed) the VUX and Yehat and Androsynth, etc etc. No one is really able to orgenize an alliance to stop them, and everyone die...

Unless, of cosure, the Yehat show surprising ability in delaying the Kohr-ah (and maybe the VUX with ZEX), which will allow them to set up an alliance against the Korh-ah.

I feel that the best chances are again the wild cards - the Arilou and the Pkunk. Although it'll be hard to get an alliance going based on a vision.

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Not necessarily. The resurrections would essentially increase the Pkunk fleet by half. Since actual combat is different from melee, the Kohr-Ah would have no problem at all exterminating the Pkunk.

That was a joke  Tongue
21  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: A star control 1 remake that may actually get finished on: May 22, 2009, 06:07:32 pm
More angles change game balance. I wouldn't say that it ruins it though.
TW had it, and I never felt that it's unfair when I was playing a small ship against a big one (and big ships get the most from that change).

It might make the skill required to beat a big ship with a small one higher, but I don't think it's that bad.
(Arilou vs Kzer-za, Umgah vs Chenjesu, etc).
22  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 22, 2009, 03:13:55 pm
The Humans won't warn anyone.
They don't know were any alien race is, including the Androsynth.
And their best weaponery is the old nukes from the peace vaults...
In other words it is up to the Arilou to save our asses.

Without the Humans though, it is more likely that the VUX will ally themselves with the Yehat.
But a Yehat-Shofixti-VUX alliance isn't something impressive enough to stop the Kohr-ah.

The Androsynth too, BTW, are unkown to anyone. As they are a new race in their area and are busy building their civillization from zero.

Unless the Chenjesu and Mrn will be able to hold the Kohr-ah relentless attacks long enough to orgenize an Alliance like they did with the Kzer-za (which they might be able to do... maybe...) then the only survivors will be the Arilou and the Humans they rescued.
And maybe the Mycon, if they can hide under the crust of a planet (if a deep child can develop into a Mycon colony and is not just a device).


Hmm... this is a bit off topic, but I bet it would be really annoying to cleanse the Pkunk...  Grin
23  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Don't forget the Mmrnmhrm on: May 22, 2009, 11:59:35 am
Just to make it clear, I'm not saying it is impossible or a really bad idea or something.
Only that IMO, thr Mrn and Mycon are of different origin, and I think it is very unlikely that the Mrn were made by the Precursors.

While I can see the Mycon as a Precursor leftover that stopped working right over the years (although I'm not so sure about that either, I got the impression that the computer on Unzervult was rather intelligent, and it worked fine. So they seem to be better craftsman then creating Mycon that go faulty and start destroying life teeming planets) - I really really don't see the Mrn as a Precursor creation.

The Mrn are too "young".
Whoever built them had advance enough technology to impress the Ur-quan, but nothing close to the Precursor's level.
As for their purpose, I think that their secrecy suggests that it's not as benevolent as preserving life in the universe.
It's probably not summoning the Orz, because the Arilou would probably stop them if that was the case. But some kind of private enterprise that will advance their creator's interest seems likely. Build a network of StarGates, I don't know, something grand!
24  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: A star control 1 remake that may actually get finished on: May 22, 2009, 07:25:32 am
You can rotate one image and still only have 16 angles.
But I really hope there will be more.

But I'm not biased, I'm used to TW.
64 angles there.
Also when an enemy Ilwrath cloaks the camera focus on you so you don't know there it's coming from.
I'd really like to see those two things in a game that have a net version of the SC1 full game.
That's kinda my wish list - an enhanched version of SC1's full game.
25  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: A star control 1 remake that may actually get finished on: May 22, 2009, 02:11:49 am
Will the ships have 16 angles to them or more?
I know that as a remake they should only have 16, but I've always found it annoying that small ships could hide between the firing angles of the bigger ships.
26  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Don't forget the Mmrnmhrm on: May 22, 2009, 12:03:10 am
Doesn't fit with the way the SC universe seems to work, IMO.
Races tends to focus.

Besides, one constructed race 50,000 years ago (at the very least, migth be much more) and another 1,000 years ago from a different origin doesn't sound so far fetched to me. It's not like they arrived at the same time, or anything even close to that.

Actually, constructed races aren't that rare in the SC universe if you think about it.
The Androsynth are another one. And possibly the Humans and or the Syreen are too..
Oh, and the Evil Ones were probably created by the Umgah.
Kzer-za and Kohr-ah are sort off constructed as well.
27  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Mysteries of the Star Control Universe... theories much appreciated! on: May 21, 2009, 11:57:06 pm
Some bits of info that might help:
1)When the Kzer-za entered our area of space (presumably even before conquering the Thraddash) they broadcasted a battlecry across hyperspace. The Chenjesu picked it up (being naturally able to recive hyperspace communications) and begun preparing the alliace.

I don't know however (as in I don't recall it being mentioned anywhere) if the Kohr-ah did the same. This could matter a lot in this discussion.

2) The Mmrnmhrm knew about the Spathi. So if the Spathi were under attack the Mmrnmhrm might notice.

3) I don't think the Mycon were ready to war at the time. They sneaked their deep child to the Syreen HW, they weren't going for a head-on war.
It was mentioned in SC2 that since the Hierarchy's victory and after the Kzer-za left the thralls for their own devices, the VUX and Mycon both worked hard expending their sphere of influence.
So I assume that at the time of SC1 their forces were smaller then in SC2.
28  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Don't forget the Mmrnmhrm on: May 21, 2009, 07:18:05 pm
Yes, but 50,000 years older?
It's my personal impression, but I think the Mycon are much older then the Mrn.
I'd give the Mrn (and their creators) up to 10,000 years.

And there is the biological constructs / unorganic constructs difference too, which is just as important.
29  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Don't forget the Mmrnmhrm on: May 21, 2009, 06:42:22 pm
Races in the SC universe tend to be focused.
The Mycon are biological constructs, the Mrn are purely unorganic, so there's a good chance they were not created by the same race.
Also, the Mycon seem to be much older. I'm too lazy to seek the quote but one of them mentions that he has memoeries from 50,000 years ago IIRC. At any case it was several thousends years ago - much older then the Mrn (The Ark arrived about 1,000 years ago).

So all in all I still believe the two races are not of the same origin.
Also, please remind me, we think the Mycon are not natural because of something the Umgah said, right?
30  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Don't forget the Mmrnmhrm on: May 20, 2009, 02:03:07 am
Interesting read Arne. I like how you played the Mrn's robotic-ness, as they must fulfill programmed missions without completly understanding them.
I'm not too fond of having the Mycon part of the same system, or the hints that the Precursors made the Mrn.
The Precursors made enough stuff, I always preffered having some other alien race create the Mrn.
Also, I think the Ur-quan would be more impressed with Mrn technology if they were created by the Precursors. Smiley
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