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1  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Interesting material on: June 27, 2007, 08:02:13 pm
Or we're just really dense.
2  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Evolution of plant-insect symbiosis on: May 19, 2007, 09:00:18 am
This thread was deleted. Because moderator actions get logged, I assume this was done by RTyp06, who, as the person who created the first message in the thread, was the only other person able to delete it (that has been fixed though).
It took quite a bit of time, but I've managed to merge the thread from yesterday's backup of the forum database into the current database. All messages in this thread in between the time of the backup and the time of deletion are gone forever though.

I don't know what the reason for the deletion was, but I find destroying the work of others highly contemptible.
The fact that the forum configuration didn't disallow it can be no justification.

To be fair there was some nasty name calling done by Baltar, which I don't think is allowed.
But since RTyp decided to destroy the evidence of it instead of notifying the mods, I guess he was fine with that.
3  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 11, 2007, 09:36:35 am
True, but this doesn't just hold for faith. It holds for everything from Vegetarians to Linux fanboys. Everyone believes that their opinion is right, and that they are entitled to more than those that are wrong.

Indeed, that's why I added the 'opinions about anything' part.
Tough there is a slight difference between these opinions and faith, and that's the gist of the problem.
Sure, many call Muslim terrorists insane, still it's not the kind of insane as, say, flying a plane inside a building because someone there didn't like Celine Dion.
4  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 09, 2007, 10:22:41 am
Though I will say guys like Richard Dawkins are not helping the cause. I don't think there's anything stupid about religion (even if some people do stupid things in its name).

I don't follow Dawkins all that closely, so I'm curious, when did he say that religion is stupid?
Every time I saw him, he was very nice to people he talked to.

I think Dawkins is a nice example of what this 'respect' toward beliefs can lead to.
All he says is that he disagrees with religion, that it can lead to bad things, and he explains why he thinks so, and usually does that in an ultra-polite manner.
Yet people think he's an asshole... can someone explain this to me?
5  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 09, 2007, 10:12:00 am
Sure if thats what you think socialist means. How about France, Norway, Singapore or Sweden instead?

Well... no, at least according to your logic.
You see, if the only country with a free market is a war torn land full of warlords (I should have called you on the contradiction, by the way), then it means the only countries with socialism are those with complete control over the ecnonomy.
6  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 08, 2007, 07:16:35 am
I believe its called Somalia. I am sure the market there is as free as you like - and as a bonus, there's no government to collect your taxes. That's is a sweet deal! Of course there's a bit of a problem with all the warlords and genocide and so forth, but you can buy guns cheaply so safety won't be an issue...

Right, and I guess the only socialist countries are ones like Cuba and North Korea.
7  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 07, 2007, 06:12:29 pm
which is mostly run by free market pirate capitalists at this point.

Oooh, I get to derail a thread.
So, tell me comrade, what part of the world is run by those free market capitalists with eye-patches?

I mean, any part of the world that is either full of free market capitalists OR pirates would be cool enough to make me want to move there.
But a place full of free market capitalists and pirates at the same time sounds almost too good to be true.
Just tell me where it is, and I'll start packing my bags.
8  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 07, 2007, 06:05:39 pm
Because different things can inspire courage/stupidity in those who are not naturally courageous. Such things are love and faith. It would be incorrect for me to state that someone is an idiot because he did something foolish in the throes of passion. Equally well faith can inspire someone to deeds they might not otherwise have performed, be they good or bad. To simply ignore the reasons behind actions seems a tad foolish.

Sure, you should look at someone's motivation, but I think the way you presented it is a bit backwards.
Usually we judge one's actions based on their motivation, not the other way around.
If someone does something good, great and noble out of greed , does that make greed good, great and noble, or does his motivation make the actions not so good great or noble anymore?

Anyways the sort of respect you ask of wouldn't be half bad. It seems all you're asking for is an acknowledgement that good things can come out of it. I have no problem with that.

What irks me (and Meep, I think) is that the sort of respect people ask for faith, religion, beliefs, or often any opinions about anything, seems to be equivalent with censoring all criticism of it.
Yeah, everyone has the right to believe whatever they want, and voice their opinions/beliefs.
Unfortunately for some, this includes the right of the other guy to believe, and to say, that what they believe is wrong, rediculous, or just plain stupid.
9  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Respect my ass on: May 06, 2007, 07:05:39 pm
Foolish PC hippies, you have woken the beast!
10  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Evolution of plant-insect symbiosis on: May 01, 2007, 08:54:58 pm
You'll be begging us to give you one of our fur coats and pants when winter comes.
I wonder where will your messiah be then.
11  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Evolution of plant-insect symbiosis on: May 01, 2007, 08:31:24 pm
What? I fail to see the problem. Ivan Ivanov is an atheist as well, and I've always felt we was a lying sack of low life scum.

Come on Baltar, there's no point denying it.
It should probably also be mentioned that we eat puppies for breakfast and make furcoats out of kittens.
12  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Your Nickname's Origin? on: April 09, 2007, 02:32:19 pm
Ivan is the Russian version of my true name.
When I was comming up with a screenname for some other forum I had some sort of Russian/Communist obsession.
I knew Ivan was the name I wanted to use, tough it seemed rather short, so without much thought I supplemented it with surname you now see (to my surprise it later turned out it's a real Russian surname too).
13  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: TimeWarp & TW-Light on: January 17, 2007, 09:54:14 pm
I'm also curious to hear what youBastrd has done with my project but alas last night when I happened to check the board at the same time as him I noticed that he was checking this thread...yet no response.

You make it sound like they literarly ambushed you, took 'your project', and ran away with, quite an amazing feat when it comes to intellectual property.
Why didn't you just find other coders to help you finish Time Warp, the way you wanted it to be done?
14  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Evolution in action? on: January 14, 2007, 09:24:19 am
Exactly. And what selection pressue evolves these complex brain functions? Certianly song and language isn't a life or death nesescity.

Language allows us to communicate and coordinate our actions, warn eachother of danger, pass on knowledge... please, it doesn't take much thinking to come up reasons why it would improve your survival chances.

Yes music seems to be useless when it comes to survival, but it might be just a side effect of other brain functions evolving.

Are emotions important to species survival?

Of course they are!
Fear, sadness, anger, hapiness, love... they make us evade things that are bad for us, do away with them, or draw us closer to things that are good for us.

Many animals seem to be doing just fine without mathematics. etc.

Really? You think most animals have absolutely no concept of numbers?
Please think of  the implications that would have.

Evolutionists often make much of the fact that much of ape DNA is somewhere around 95% the same as human DNA. But that difference gives us Mozart, Plato, Shakespear, Einstien etc. Apes also lack the fine motor control humans have with their fingertips.

Rewind a couple of tens of thousands of years.
From an evolutionary point of view, we were exactly the same as we are now, but other then that we're barely distinguishable from other animals.
It wasn't  a giant evolutionary leap that gave us those artists, philosophers, and scientists, it was millenia of passing on knowledge.
As far as evolution goes, the change was most likely small and gradual increase in analitical thinking. You'll notice that our evolutionary cousins, or other animals like dolphins, exhibit this ability as well, but to a lesser extent.
15  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Starbase Café / Re: Evolution in action? on: January 11, 2007, 08:33:52 am

"Range of motor skills in these extra digits is hard to chart given the rarity of the condition, but cases have varied. In some cases, the extra digit has no joints in the bone and thus is completely immobile, in other cases the extra digit has limited dexterity, and some cases have been reported in which an extra finger was fully functional, and indistinguishable from the rest of the fingers."

Is this evolution perhaps?

It would be if your survival depended on playing a piano, however without any selective preassure on this feature, it will keep comming and going.
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