The only way the Orz *smelled* the Androsynth was because the Androsynth opened a DF portal.  
On the surface of their own homeworld. No other way for the Orz to even DETECT this phase of reality.

Hmmmm. So the Androsynth find a precursor artifact that could do most anything from making lethal viruses to exploding to opening portals to other dimensions that are inhabited by fish like aliens that like to eat Androsynth for breakfast and decide to test it on the surface their home world? Smart!

Also I was always under the impression that planets generally orbited around a star. However the portal, which is just a tear in space, would not. So any portal created on a planets surface would only stay there a few seconds. Unless of course the Orz moved the portal with the planet. Which just brings me back to my other theory:

If the Orz could only enter *heavy space* via a single dimensionally fatigued area / portal on the Androsynth home world and the Androsynth attempted to destroy anything coming through (under the impression that it was an invasion force) and the Orz (as it said) could not stay together much longer in *pretty space* it could have considered it a life or death matter and resorted to lethal force.

Also I was under the impression that the Androsynth were interested in DF to make a faster starship drive. Which means their the portal would have been created somewhere out in space. You know like in front of a starship?

The Orz attack planets when they *smell* other races. They can't just go looking around for someone to jump, sneak up on em and whack em. They're kinda like guided missiles: they'll blow the hell out of stuff, but you need to point them first. The Androsynth unwittingly turned on a homing beacon as it were, so, they fell to the Orz via Dimentional-Fatigue-Driven Planetary Assault.

(1) Androsynth ARE human or very close to humans. Which means the Orz would have killed the humans to.
(2) The Orz repeatedly state in conversation that they can smell you, i.e.:

I am *expanding!* It is so much *squishy* to *smell* you!

AND

Uh... hi there. Nice to see you again... I think.
That is *funny*. You think you *see* Orz but Orz are not *light reflections*.
Maybe you think Orz are *many bubbles* too. It is such a joke.
Orz are not *many bubbles* like *campers*. Orz are just Orz.
I am Orz. I am one with many *fingers*.
My *fingers* reach through into *heavy space* and you *see* *Orz bubbles*
but it is really *fingers*.
Maybe you do not even *smell*? That is sad.
*Smelling* *pretty colors* is the best *game*.

(3) When you ally with the Orz a large group of them go to your starbase:

We have been invaded by an alien race calling themselves the `Orz', though so far the invasion is a friendly one.
The fishlike creatures have been stomping around the base in their robotic walking exoskeletons
which look like combat vac-suits, if you ask me.
Based on the summary reports I've seen on their `Nemesis' ship design, I have but a single comment:
I like it!
I'd say we have quite a nasty little surprise in store for the Ur-Quan the next time you tangle with them.

Are you saying that even though they are in close proximity to humans and mingling freely with them that they still can't smell them?

Also: Interstellar wars leaves bits of exploded ships scattered about, perhaps in orbit or those that have fallen to the surface. Do you find any debris in space, or any ship debris on the surface? No.

Really? So what do you think actually DID happened to the Androsynth fleet? The Orz just pulled them? But wait, I would have thought they would just have pulled the Androsynth from inside the ships.

The Ur-Quan don't even know about the Orz, and to counter the argument I can already hear coming,  
"How do YOU know the Ur-Quan don't know about the Orz?"  
They haven't tried to enslave them yet. The Kohr-Ah simply stumble upon them and annihilate them (yay!) when the Cleansing starts. If they DID have their fleet, the 'Quans would certainly know about it, and if the Androsynth ran into them in space somewhere, they'd tell their masters.

I see. Consider this: the only time you see an Ur-Quan outside of their warzone is when ONE ship comes to investigate Unnervalt. When the Yehat have a civil war do they come and restore order? No. When the Utwig and Suppox go home with vastly reduced fleets do they go and enslave them? No. When the Earth starbase runs out of fuel do they come and resupply them? No. When the Androsynth cease communication due to being wiped out do they come investigate? Guess not or they would know about the Orz. And your telling me that when they receive a report of an alien race that can destroy dreadnoughts like tissue paper they are going to lose their war with the Kohr-Ah to go and try to enslave them? I don't think so.

And for God's sake, its AndrosYnth, there's no I in it. Nothing I hate worse than arguing with someone that can't spell.  
Oh, as for making sense: I do. You don't. This isn't a hypothetical thing, what happened to the Androsynth. Its just unknown where they went.

I am eternally grateful for pointing out that extraordinary pertinent thing. I wish to apologize from the bottom of my heart for any distress this may have caused you.

Also I dislike arguing with someone who is apparently incapable of following something to it's logical conclusion.

QUOTE: "Uh, Brain(less), why would they then go insane by seeing ghosts? You'll also note that the lander crew mentions something very, VERY pointedly:  

Quote:---- REPORT FROM SURFACE ----
XENO-HISTORIAN KILGORE HERE, SIR. WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT THESE RUINS ARE THE REMNANTS OF THE ANDROSYNTH CULTURE. FROM THE MASS DESTRUCTION WE HAVE WITNESSED, WE CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THERE WAS SOME KIND OF HUGE LAND WAR HERE WITHIN THE PAST FIVE YEARS; HOWEVER, THERE IS NO, REPEAT, NO SIGNS OF ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT OR INVASION FROM SPACE... JUST A WHOLE MESS OF BUILDINGS SHOT TO PIECES. PROBABLY THE WEIRDEST THING WE HAVE SEEN, OR NOT SEEN, ARE CORPSES... THERE AREN'T ANY! IT'S AS THOUGH SOMETHING APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE, BLASTED EVERYTHING WITH NUCLEAR BAZOOKAS, THEN GRABBED ALL THE ANDROSYNTH AND DISAPPEARED.




ZERO orbital attacks. None. They simply materialized out of nowhere, *pulled* them, then took their spot."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

How do you come to that conclusion? It seems to me that all this means is that the Orz don't attack planets like most races. Instead of wasting time doing an orbital bombardment through shields and heavy fleet resistance they just open DF portals to the planets surface and extend their ghost tentacles through / send marines. It does not mean that:

"They simply materialized out of nowhere, *pulled* them, then took their spot."

I don't see how this in any way disproves the senario that the Andrsinth meet the Orz fleet, the Androsinth are hostile, the Orz attack (and destroy) the Androsinth fleet with overwhelming numbers, the Orz attack the Androsinth home world via DF portals.

Damn, if your going to argue at least make some sense.

Oh yes about the Tobermoon: Was Buwolski being attacked by a Marine? What attacked Buwolski may have attacked the Tobermoon in the same manner.

NECRO-99 consider this a cybernetic smash over the head with a sledge hammer: What I meant is perhaps the Androsinth were unfriendly to the Orz. Perhaps they ordered them out of their space / attacked them / attempted to capture their technology (better drives / armor suits that are stronger than some ships) / threatened them / followed Ur-Quan orders and tried to enslave them or any number of other things that are distinctly unfriendly and that the Orz would consider the actions of *sad cows*. If the Orz could only enter *heavy space* via a single dimensionally fatigued area / portal on the Androsinth home world and the Androsinth attempted to destroy anything coming through (under the impression that it was an invasion force) and the Orz (as it said) could not stay togeather much longer in *pretty space* it could have considered it a life or death matter and resorted to lethal force.

I think things no longer dissapear (which is good) but now the ships look very blurry at medium range (which is bad). :-/

Interestingly when you make the Orz angry their form changes - They become bright red - Which seems to me to be another indication that what one sees is not their true forms. Also angry Orz *GO GO GO*'s are bright orange where as calm (returning) *GO GO GO*'s are green.

Port the PC version and then code in the Genesis campaings.

Orz Nemisis is the best. About the only threat to it is the Avatar and the Guardian.

That portal is close to Groombridg (sp)?. Initaly there was supposed to be a super special secret there. Paul and Fred did not get the time to put it in so now theres just a rainbow world there...

Upper left corner, A planet with no solid surface...

You don't have to download the entire game. Just download the install file (2mb), uncheck everything you can in the install screen, tell it to install to a different folder than where you have UQM and walah! It will install just the exe file to that folder. Copy the new uqm.exe file over to your UQM folder and your set!

Also the ships sound to powerfull. The spathi can already toast both varitys of Ur-Quan with ease. I would seggest not increasing the energy recharge rate and leaving the BUTT Torp fire rate the same.

Head over to http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/  . If you look thorough the links on the side bar you will find a section with fan made ships and one of them is a black spathi. I don't know if the files will work with UQM though...

Quote: a star that goes nova will result in the formation of a pulsar (a dense mass of neutrons).

This is wrong, some stars have regular novas once every few million years. Don't believe me? See here: http://www.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/www_astro/gal/cv_beginners.html A pulsar or neutron star is created in a super nova when the star is not massive enough to form a black hole. If you don't believe me read about the crab nebula which is a super nova remnant and has a pulsar inside of it.

Quote: Super nova's are so massively poweful that if a star went super nova 10 light years away from our solar system when the eneergy wave finally got here it would annihilate every planet in the system.

Also wrong. It would not effect planets in a system 10 light years away.


Quote: If you want an semi acurate exmaple of what a star going super nova will do get the game Freespace 2 and watch the ending moive, your get the idea that nothing not even matter  survives.

Wrong. Matter survives. It just gets redistributed in to a nebula.


Novae are now known to be caused by a star briefly re-igniting after having lain dormant for many years. Stars shine due to the nuclear fusion reactions in their cores, which process hydrogen into helium, releasing energy in the process. When the hydrogen is used up, sun-like stars slough off their outer envelopes, and become very small, very hot "white dwarfs." These white dwarfs are the inert cores of dead stars which have used up all of their available fuel. Now, stars often come in pairs, or "binaries," where two stars are in orbit around each other. If one of the stars in a binary is a white dwarf, and the other begins evolving into a red giant (a stage near the end of the life of a star, but before the white dwarf stage), the white dwarf can begin gravitationally attracting some of the gas from the atmosphere of the red giant to itself. Most of this gas will be hydrogen, and when the hydrogen reaches the surface of the incredibly hot white dwarf, it rapidly ignites, creating a large nuclear explosion on the surface of the star. This is what we see in our sky as a nova.

Orz all the way! No other race can be cute, cudly, wacky, friendly, helpful, creepy, frightining, menacing, and just plain terrifying all at the same time.