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News: Paul & Fred have reached a settlement with Stardock!

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1  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: August 02, 2018, 03:48:43 am
Everyone was saying all along that only P&F would be able to continue the story from Star Control 2, whatever language you want to use to explain that. That includes Stardock's description.
Even Stardock themselves said this but of course now that the legal case is happening they tried deleting all mentions of this fact. Thankfully I have a few archives of it. This is what upsets me the most I think and is making me lean towards making the video. If anyone has any more archives of things they deleted I would love it to build evidence. Deleting previous things you said does not look good to the fans.
2  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: July 27, 2018, 07:24:23 am
The post I linked earlier is a FAQ. If you are interested in Stardock’s position you can read it there as well as pages and pages of debate. Smiley

Here is that link again: https://forums.starcontrol.com/487690/

Regardless of ones position, the comments within it have vigorous debate which should get you caught up.
I did read this actually when it was first posted. I would like your side as to using (and trying to trademark) Arilou and Chenjesu. Even if their appearance is slightly modified it goes against earlier claims.
3  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: July 27, 2018, 06:50:09 am
Elestan, as a partisan please do not try to speak for Stardock.

 For those who do not know, Frogboy is the CEO of Stardock.

Oh wow. Well I have archived all that I could recall of Stardock claiming that they would allow F&P to make their own sequel using their own original aliens on top of them claiming that they would not use the original aliens from the original games. I would love a defense of this.
4  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: July 27, 2018, 06:39:05 am

Stardock not allowing a competitor to promote their new game as a sequel to its mark is not tantamount to blocking their game.  I may not announce my new game as a sequel to Halo. I cannot blame Microsoft if I don’t make a game.
They themselves said they would be more than happy to have P&F make a sequel to the original games. While I understand they can't advertise it as such to my knowledge Paul and Fred having ownership of everything but the trademark (and even possibly the trademark given their legal claim) news websites are allowed to announce it as such and should be able to mention that it will share the story with their previous games.
5  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: July 27, 2018, 06:34:46 am
If you decide to do this, and post your talking points here ahead of time, people can probably fact-check them to the best of our knowledge.  However, only a few people here are actually lawyers, and they will almost certainly not offer input on something like this.  You definitely should not take anything anyone here says as legal advice of any kind.
Oh I definitely agree and I have watched and read a lot of what was posted (not everything but I am getting to it). At the very least while I may not be an expert on law (far from it). At the very very least I want it to be known how they went back on their word and spirit of their previous promise to fans. Originally they promised fans that they wouldn't use SC2 aliens, they promised fans they would be more than happy to have P&F make a SC2 sequel using the aliens that they made as well. On top of that it's laughable that they claim Paul and Fred didn't create SC. I wont claim that Stardock is breaking the law but do want to show how they are using the law to try to kill competition in a way that clearly goes against the intent of the original agreement and how it clearly shows their deceptive nature lying to fans while in reality slowly going against their wishes. Oh and I want to break down why Stardocks claim that "Paul and Fred are trying to ride the popularity of Origins" is ridiculous. I would be more than happy to even post my first draft of my script once I am done.  Also now that you mention it I might try using a change.org petition if for no other reason than to show that people are upset over this.
6  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Making a video to help spread the word about the Frungy Fund and Stardocks greed on: July 27, 2018, 04:26:43 am
Hello. While this is my first post here I have played The Ur Quan Masters and have lurked here for some years now. I recently made a Star Control 2 retrospective (don't worry i'm not trying to promote myself) and in it I mentioned the legal battle but tried to be as unbiased as possible. After spending a few more days looking into things and seeing Stardock go back onto their word about not using the original aliens I was slowly convinced that it was Paul and Reich that are in the right. More than that I am becoming increasingly scared that Stardock is in fact trying to shut down Ghost of the Precursors or at least neuter it to the point where it can't even be connected to Star Control. On top of that with them trying to Trademark Ur Quan masters I am also scared that they might try DMCAing this great open source project to force people to buy it from them. What I want to know is if I am justified in believing this? I want to make a video explaining why people need to support the original creators and let Stardock know that we wont let them get away with this but at the same time I want to make sure I am not misunderstanding the situation if I do. While I have done my own research and saved/archived a lot of links I am not a legal expert. I want evidence showing that Stardock is easily in the wrong here or evidence that I am misunderstanding this and I shouldn't try getting angry over nothing. My goal is to release a video before the release of Origins so people can be informed and spread the word while getting Paul and Fred as much help as they can get.
So would anyone want to help convince me one way or the other? I promise I in no way want to "click bait" or misinform anyone and ask simply to make sure doing this would be the morally correct thing to do.
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