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1  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / Technical Issues / Re: Newer UQM version on: August 06, 2003, 10:33:00 am
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Yeah, I noticed it needed zlib-1.dll as well, but I'm fairly sure I modified the installer to include it, odd.

You can find it here: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuwin32/zlib-1.1.4-1-bin.zip?download, that should make it work without all the hassle.

-Striker


Um, okay, where do you put these fiels once you DL them?  (btw I tried re-downloading your laast update and it still crashes saying you need dll)
2  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 31, 2003, 07:43:46 am
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How can every point in the universe be expanding from all the other points?  Yet the surface of the universe isn't growing?


The universe doesn't HAVE a surface.  There is nothing outside the universe!  Not even empty space!
3  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 30, 2003, 08:21:22 pm
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Thats the whole definition of infinte you see, you keep writing numbers down for eternity.


No, actually, the mathematical definition of inifity has nothing to do with endless or continual expansion.  It just measn that a number is so large as to be unrepresentable in base 10.

also, you are right that the expansion doesn't prove anything, but then it doesn't disprove it either.
4  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 29, 2003, 02:24:27 am
Basically, the problem is that in order to give Humans choice God has to restrain his power.  If He fully revealed himself, the essence of free will would be gone in the face of His presence -- so, in order to let humanity choose evil, he hides.  One cannot prove that God exists using science.

"reason and faith are like the shoes on your feet; you can get a lot farther with both than with just one."
- Babylon 5
5  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 28, 2003, 09:56:26 pm
You do not seem to understand entropy.  There is only one way the overall entropy of a system can decrease -- an outside force.  The decrease in entropy required to create life is humoungous, and where would the energy go in your theory?  Earth does not naturally emit energy!
6  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 28, 2003, 07:22:27 am
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Of course, the problem with the entropy arguement is that it ignores that earth is not a closed system.  The law of thermodynamics dealing with entropy is meant to be applied only to closed systems.  Huge quanitities of energy are constantly coming into the earth from the sun, as well as quantities of matter from space.  Attempting to apply the principle of entropy to the earth, without accounting for the rest of the universe, is therefore an incorrect application of the law.  As long as the decrease in entropy via life is offset by a larger increase in entropy elsewhere in the universe, life does not violate that law.  Ergo, a creator is unneccessary - any decrease in local entropy that life would imply can be easily offset by an increase in local entropy elsewhere in the whole system.  Since the whole system is the entire universe, finding possible places where entropy could've increased is no trick at all.


The flaw in your reasoning is twofold:  first, I WAS referring to the entire universe, not just Earth.  Second, the Universe is NOT infinite.  All scientific knowledge points to the universe having a finite size, albiet a large and expanding one.
7  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: How was the real universe created? on: May 27, 2003, 06:57:34 am
All this talk about something outside the universe is pure speculation -- by definition, we cannot percieve anything outside our existence.  If we percieve it, it is part of our universe.  Please note that I am using "universe" to include alternate dimensions we might one day contact.

As for probability:  to the best of modern scientific knowledge, the probability of life forming without outside intervention is roughly the same as the probability of a tornado going through a junkyard and forming a fully functional 747.  Or any functional machine, for that matter.  Entropy is the ovverriding principle by which our universe works; without an active force to counteract it amino acids would NOT join together and make the stuff of life.  Thus, the only logical answer is a Creator.
8  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: ASCII uqm on: May 02, 2003, 07:14:40 pm
>use
use what?
>use ultron
the ultron still appears to be broken
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRG!
I'm sorry, I don't understand that word


oh, oh, wouldn't it be delightful? [evil grin]
9  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: The Ur-Quan Masters ? on: May 01, 2003, 12:01:30 am
This project is a direct port of Starcontrol 2 to moderns OSes.

However, for legal reasons it cannot use the name Starcontrol 2; so the developers are calling it "The Ur-Quan Masters."

The title is currently released in Beta format only.  The version you can download off this site is the latest official release, however periodically people create unofficial builds from the latest working code and offer them to people.
10  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Awsome Re-mixs on: April 25, 2003, 04:45:02 am
Any word on when the next pre-release track is due?

I know I ask this a lot, but it's only because I appreciate the work so much.
11  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Does it bug anyone that is working on this? on: April 21, 2003, 07:50:00 am
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Personally, I'm not into the whole concept of good and evil. I just feel there's actions, and there are consequences.


At the risk of re-jacking this thread, wouldn't you say an action that intentionally causes negative consequences is evil?
12  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Awsome Re-mixs on: April 17, 2003, 11:00:27 pm
NOTE: this is as much for everyone else as it is for Ceo!

The link in Ceo's post is to the 3DO music as it was in the 3DO version of the game.

The link in my post is to various remixes (including many not related to this project) of SC tunes on the PNF.
13  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Awsome Re-mixs on: April 17, 2003, 08:34:39 pm
http://www.classicgaming.com/starcontrol/files/remixes.shtml
14  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Does it bug anyone that is working on this? on: April 15, 2003, 09:08:33 am
I think we have exhausted all arguments here... I hereby second DEFIANT's call to return to a friendlier forum.  And btw DEFIANT, I accept your apology and offer one of my own to anyone I insulted (whether to their digital face or in my head).  You have certainly not lost me as a friend, and I hope that other forum-dwellers can say the same.

As for your questions about "the point of living" etc., I would answer that the point of living is to do good acts and to love God.  As for "what do I do now", well, it is possible to be forgiven.  All you have to do is ask. [/religious soapbox]
15  The Ur-Quan Masters Re-Release / General UQM Discussion / Re: Does it bug anyone that is working on this? on: April 15, 2003, 08:28:10 am
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Um, copyright is not eternal.  Right now, the US copyright for software made for hire is 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter.


Um, I knew that... however, for all intents and purposes it is indefinate, because in 95 years it will be impossible to play a game created today as it is today... it would have to undergo major porting.

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So, assuming the law doesn't change again, is it wrong 95 years from now to copy Starcontrol 2?  It wouldn't be illegal.  Or is it 5 years from now it's wrong, but 95 years it isn't? Why?  Because the law says so?  Or is it because 95 years from now Starcontrol 2 will have no value and 5 years it still will?  Why 95 years?  Why not more, why not less?


Because, as you said, corporate greed has lengthened the copyright.

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If I made a machine that made duplicates of apples at practially no cost, nobody would accuse me of stealing from apple growers (except maybe the apple growers.)  In fact, I'd be hailed as the savior of mankind, I'd think, eliminating hunger!


However, as you said, a physical object is not the same as an intellactual one.  Stick to one thing or the other.  As for the intellectual ones, look at Lukipela's example of photocopying a book -- EVEN an out of print one.  It is stealing, for the same reasons that software piracy -- EVEN of an out of print game, is stealing.

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Copyrights were intended as a way for artists to make money off of their creations.  After they've made their money, those works go into the public domain.   I think that copyrights have been extended way too far by corporate greed.  Disney has made their money on Mickey Mouse.  They need to let him go.  He belongs to all of us now.


A couple corrections:  After they've made their money, those works SHOULD go into the public domain.

Mickey Mouse does NOT belong to all of us.  Disney is still very much making money off of Mickey Mouse, and to make Mickey Mouse public property would lose them money.

and now, a message to EVERYONE!

>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!>!

YES!  I think copyrights should be for a shorter time!

BUT!  They are not, and copying a copyrighted work without the owner's permission is illegal!  No matter what the circumstances, doing so is wrong!

[/soapbox]
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